[OUTDATED THREAD] Class based modification (v9fh)

[Beed28]

Just chiming in to say, I love using Pirate Man. His weapons are pretty fun to use, and it's brought out the kleptomaniac in me.

Now if only he could somehow steal the weapon pickups as well to add to his haul, that will be golden.

[ice]

Think it would be a good idea to remove the jumping ability from Trucker Joe? Atleast give a reason to use apache joe other than getting to high areas to spam grenades from considering how powerful the power up is

[Celebi]

Think it would be a good idea to remove the jumping ability from Trucker Joe? Atleast give a reason to use apache joe other than getting to high areas to spam grenades from considering how powerful the power up is

The problem with that is it makes it useless in many scenarios. (Example with the screenshot below, the Trucker is trapped without a jump.)  Even a half jump (like HyperStormH running) would be awfully limiting and could result in the player being trapped in certain maps.

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Now if only he could somehow steal the weapon pickups as well to add to his haul, that will be golden.

Pirateman can steal weapon pickups dropped by players, but not the map placed ones.

I'm loving how Trio's working in both concept and execution, but I'm not sure I understand the logic behind certain weapons getting certain rages (Super Arm getting Giga Homing Sniper, Needle Cannon getting Giga Water Balloon, and a few others that I'll have to refresh my memory on).

Jax decided most of the Giga attack to weapon type, other than the bonus weapons which I did.  They're grouped to best match types (fire weapons = Flame Sword) while also following the system of every weapon from that 'game' is a different Megaman 8 like weapon.  (e.g. All the Megaman 3 weapons combined can use all eight different Giga attacks.)  Otherwise the weapons were matched with the general style of the MM8 weapon.  An example being Needle Cannon, its a rapid weapon similar to Water Balloon.

[GameAndWatcher]

The problem with that is it makes it useless in many scenarios. (Example with the screenshot below, the Trucker is trapped without a jump.)  Even a half jump (like HyperStormH running) would be awfully limiting and could result in the player being trapped in certain maps.

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Why not give Trucker Joe Darkman1 physics to compensate?

[Celebi]

Why not give Trucker Joe Darkman1 physics to compensate?

There is no available method to change the MaxStepHeight of a class other than through morphing.  (There will be in the distant future after Zdoom adds version 1d286d5 and Zandronum incorporates it.)  Otherwise Joe would have the same step height all the time.

[GameAndWatcher]

There is no available method to change the MaxStepHeight of a class other than through morphing.  (There will be in the distant future after Zdoom adds version 1d286d5 and Zandronum incorporates it.)  Otherwise Joe would have the same step height all the time.

Huh, TIL.

[ice]

considering the truck can be cancelled at any time with the item, you're literally immune to damage, and joe has a shield to begin with, I don't really see getting stuck as a big issue as it would now be more of a judgement thing

[Orange juice :l]

Make a pseudo-stepheight effect by having the truck always have a metalman chainsaw/snake climb effect that moves him up if not too far off the ground? The truck lasts so long and provides total invincibility so some sort of maneuverability handicap should be considered.

[MusashiAA]

A week has passed, we've deemed public testing had enough of a run. Next release could/should/would incorporate fixes and changes based on feedback given, which should happen shortly.

Please, if you have any feedback to give about this last public beta, post about it here, or you can go to the CBM Discord and we'll hopefully address it: https://discord.gg/9ND9DBE

[Beed28]

For some reason, Bass' Treble Boost upgrade has autoaiming disabled on it. The Treble Boost upgrade in the vanilla game does not, and the autoaim doesn't break it.

EDIT: Also, Quint's bot doesn't use Sakugarne. I think you should at least fix that.

[Bikdark]

New crashman does... not feel right. As of now, he's overcomplicated, clunky, and places a heavy burden of knowledge on the player. You simply have TOO many options on an already complicated and micro-heavy class. Placing detonate on itemuse was a VERY bad idea, as 99% of players put itemuse on mouse3 (scroll wheel press), and it forces your fingers (which are on m1/m2) away from their main function -- shooting.

I really appreciate the effort to give the player options, and not alienate them from doing on-the-fly damage, but I think these changes are overbearing. Groundman ended up an overconsolidated mess, but I think Crashman is the exact opposite -- too broad. He's currently the highest skillcap class in the game, but he's not enjoyable to play (or learn).

There needs to be middle ground made, he cannot exist as he does. If consistent damage is the concern while maintaining hitstun traps, I'd recommend scaling damage and hitstun relative to how long the trap has been out, then cap it once it reaches pre-beta levels. (And then remove his current altfire, of course, and replace it with detonate).

Finally, quint is of course in dire need of that fucking rework

[RokVampireYoshi]

Now that V5 is out, I assume we're going to have updated classes for the robot masters of Mega Man 9?

[GameAndWatcher]

Now that V5 is out, I assume we're going to have updated classes for the robot masters of Mega Man 9?

We already have Magma Man, Galaxy Man, and Hornet Man. They're working on the rest atm iirc.

[MusashiAA]

After this compatibility update, as in v8d, we'll start working on the rest of the MM9 classes.

[Beed28]

https://www.sendspace.com/file/7j3rsa

So, something I hacked together in a few hours. This makes it so that each character has their own "designated theme", so to speak. For example, playing as Cut Man plays the Cut Man stage theme, playing as Dive Man plays the Dive Man stage theme, playing as Evil Robot plays the music for when you face him in the campaign, and so on.

The cvar YD_NoCharacterThemes will prevent the character themes from overriding the stage music.

Don't know how well it'll play if hosted online, though.