I have been contemplating for a few months about hosting again for GVH once I resolve my port forwarding issue. The idea came to me that perhaps hosting a private server with more organized matches was appealing. It occurred I could do both, but I wanted to entertain the private server much more. I already concocted certain rules and the like for the private server (borrowed heavily from Zdaemon and Skulltag's CTF private games), but I always saw debates about classes for Ghouls vs Humans. I've seen the classic Jitter arguments, been in vintage Marine arguments, and even saw the new Frostbite scare.
For those THAT KNOW Ghouls vs Humans, being more than a year old, could probably tell you that any situation is mainly map dependent. We won't lie and ignore each classes strength or weakness, but we do know maps cater specifically to certain play styles every class brings to the table. We all should be able to freely discuss and analyze the map balance by now as seasoned veterans, which is what this thread is going to shed light on.
I will proudly introduce you all to
Ghouls vs HumansMETA MAP DISCUSSIONNow before we begin with our in depth discussion on which maps are the best or brightest for whatever, let's familarize ourselves with each specific map. I took the liberty of screen-shooting every Ghouls vs Humans map with additional information along side them.
Map pack for Ghouls vs HumansGVH01
Name: Forbidden Forest (Small)
Created by:CutmanMike
GVH02
Name: MegaDeth Deathmatch
Created by:Mr. Rocket
GVH03
Name: Wagi Cave
Created by: Wagi
GVH04
Name: Claw Fist
Created by: Mechadon
GVH05
Name: Winter Hunting
Created by: Zippy
GVH06
Name: Arcade Souls
Created by: Sun Wukong and Captain Bighead
GVH07
Name: Dark Station
Created by: Mik57
GVH08
Name: The Hunting Grounds
Created by: Doomfiend and Aerial
GVH09
Name: Castle of Ghoulstien
Created by: Mr. Rocket
GVH10
Name: Spire of fate
Created by: Mik57
Map pack for Ghoul vs Humans Endless WarGVH00
Name: Continuum of silence
Created by: Xaser
GVH11
Name: Hollywood Holocaust
Created by: Doomfield and Aerial
GVH12
Name: Urban Decay
Created by: Mik57
GVH13
Name: Bulb Factory
Created by: Captain Bighead
GVH14
Name: The Docks
Created by: Captain Toenail
GVH15
Name: Post-War Technologies
Created by: Captain Bighead and Thor
GVH16
Name: Two Sided Tech Base
Created by: Xutawoo and Phucket
GVH17
Name: Water processing plant
Created by: Mik57
GVH18
Name: Solanid
Created by: Wills
GVH19
Name: Aztech
Created by: Captain Bighead
GVH20
Name: Silent stalker
Created by: Rottking
GVH21
Name: The other side
Created by: Major_Gamer
Map pack for Ghouls vs Humans Cold DemiseGVH22
Name: Graveyard Chill
Created by: Damage
GVH23
Name: Rust
Created by: Doomfiend
GVH24
Name: Hell Frozen Over
Created by: Doomfiend
GVH25
Name: Raider's Den
Created by: Damage
GVH26
Name: Corruption Arena
Created by: DoomthroughDoom
GVH27
Name: Perfect Storm
Created by: R_RR
GVH28
Name: White Out
Created by: Damage
GVH29
Name: Project Skybeam
Created by: Mik57
GVH30
Name: Strange Aeon
Created by: DBThanatos and DS201
Map pack for Ghouls vs Humans New ReleaseGVH31
Name: Lava and Metal
Created by: Carthief
GVH32
Name: PM me the author of this mapCreated by: The Tomb
The purpose of this discussion is to elaborate on the map balance among ourselves and put our minds together and come with a consensus on what is the best maps for both Ghouls and Humans. We will converse over which maps have the best flow, cover, exposure, height, and anything else that factors in what is necessary in combat to weed out lesser maps. This discussion will not only dictate the overall fate of my private map rotation, but to finally settle which maps, and why, are great or poor.
Rules and things to consider:
This is a very serious thread. I will not talorate tom-foolery or one lining of any kind. This is not a bash thread no matter how you feel about something. This is for players to freely speak about which maps, and why, are the most balanced and overall good gems. I will not expect nor condone ambiguity of
ANY KIND in this thread. You see a map you have qualms against? Elaborate on what aspects of the map that is displeasing to the game overall. I will remove any post that justifies itself as, "I just don't like it," or, "It's shit." I want you to sell these points to someone that is uninformed -- educate me.
This is not an opinion dump, and I won't have any of it here. It can't be helped that we have points of view and I am very aware this thread will generate this from not only myself and others; however, we can ultimately alleviate the majority of self gratifying opinions from cold hard fact (or closet thing to it). I will clear the smoke now and say that opinions are not inherently wrong, but opinions can be wrong or inaccurate. Please explain your opinion and keep it free from emotional attachment or bias.
As much as I welcome free discussion, it boils absolutely to experience and know-how. This doesn't exclude newer players or the inexperience from voicing what possibly can be evidence, fact, or viable thought but keep in mind that I want, and expect, seasoned, veteran, and "good," players to give input. This
might or
might not have more weight than you, but if you've only been playing for about two months and don't have the experience enough to give much more insight than either evaluate your stance and post with enough evidence as possible, or sit back and read a bit until something good hits you. Season players, I want you guys to be as behave and considerate as possible.. and provide freakin` evidence.
The final goal of this discussion is to weed out the weaker maps and finally organize what we considered competitive and fair among the maps. Try to only specifically keep it map base while we keep class base minimal.
THIS WILL NOT DETERMINE THE OVERALL OUTCOME OF ANY GHOUL VS HUMAN RELEASE. This is mainly for those of us that want to finally step this up a notch and get down to what is and what isn't balance as players.
I will accept arguments as long as PEOPLE KEEP IT CIVIL! DO NOT EVEN ENTICE any player no matter what it is they say. Someone flamed you or said something that is either trolling or baiting? Don't even reply, report it to me immediately and I will remove it (assuming it is breaking the rules). I will not accept flaming, trolling, or one-liners in this thread. I hate to explain so much for a thread like this, but I've seen, and even myself, have gotten out of hand in GVH balance discussion.
Alright guys.. let's do this!
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