YD Classes V8A Team Hoyp Tournament - Started!

[Orange juice :l]

http://challonge.com/HashtagFreeSkullman

Gameplay Rules:

(click to show/hide)

Matches are won by the first team to win two maps. Each map is won by the first team to win three rounds.
The first map will be chosen by one team, selected by preference or randomly. The second will be chosen by the other team. The third, if needed, will be selected by mutual agreement.
Custom maps are to be treated as vanilla maps if voted to be allowed, any other custom maps are not valid.
At the beginning of each map, the class draft will be performed. Please see the explicit definition later in this post. Players on different teams ARE allowed to use the same class.
If a different class is selected mid-map, time out must be called by the team with the erroneous class. The player must die via map hazard if possible, else die to the opponent whose attacks are least disruptive (won't consume resources or affect other players, etc). Failure to call timeout and rectify the situation before 40 damage is dealt or 15 seconds have passed, whichever occurs first, will result in forfeiting the round (not the map).
To ensure timeouts can be called, please leave messages on. Spectator chat will be off during tournament matches and opponents can be ignored if desired.
Abuse of game-breaking bugs will result in an instant forfeit of the round. For this reason it is recommended to record demos of tournament matches.
Server rules:
Servers may not be hosted by participants unless all users have consistent connections and ping under 100. All relevant map packs, Classes V8B, and livespool-v1b-t3 must be hosted.
Force Respawn on
Drop Weapons off
Chasecam off
Spawnfarthest on
yd_noweakness 1
sv_maxlives 9
Final banlist:
Plantman
Shademan
No two of Magnetman, Diveman, Hornetman, or Dr Wily may be in the same team.
Toadman
Flashman
Woodman
Rockman
Duo
Doc Robot
Megaman
Protoman
Bass
Geminiman
Crystalman
Dynamoman
Mega Water S
Searchman
Pirateman
Skullman
MM4DIV
MM5WAV
MM5GYR
MM7DW4
MM7CLO
MM8CLO
IDM09
IDM22
IDM25
XDM04
XDM09
SHA08
SHA12
VRP01

To ensure activity, I reserve the right to disqualify teams in case of failure to appear. To facilitate match times, consider using the free tool http://www.when2meet.com/

(click to show/hide)

Disclaimer: This tournament is powered by clean, renewable energy, obtained by stealing thunder from King Dumb.

With the enormous popularity of the CBM project as of its latest expansion release, now's the best time to throw the new and changed classes into the fray and see what comes out!

Important Info about each setup:
Weaknesses will be disabled.
Ideally the tournament will be Double Elimination but may be Round Robin if too few teams sign up. Each match will be Best of 3.
TLMS will be played with 8 shared lives (plus starting lives) and classes will be determined via Draft Pick* method (to be done every map)
TDM will be blind pick (anything not hard-banned goes) but may NOT change classes mid-map. Teams may not use the same class more than once per map.
TDM will be first to 20 frags for 2v2, 30 frags for 3v3
Certain classes may be banned outright, put up to a vote by community. (lists are not final and may include more, other suspects can be added by popular opinion)
---Universal suspects include Flashman and Woodman. Copyweps will be banned except for Rockman (who will himself be up to vote).
---TLMS Suspect List Voting: http://strawpoll.me/4964253 AND http://strawpoll.me/5030838 AND This post
---TDM-only suspects include Sniper Joe.
Spawns are guaranteed to be awful. "No Johns" - Bikdark
*:

(click to show/hide)

After picking the map, each team will pick 4 classes to ban from the match in alternating order, starting with the team to pick the map. On mutual match, first ban will be selected by coin toss, and whether picks proceed as normal or as a "blind pick" (teams pick their three classes all at the same time) is up to the decision of the players (decided by coin flip if in disagreement). Teams will then pick classes in alternating order, starting with the first team to ban a class. Two players on the same team cannot use the same class. Whether teams may both have the same class will be put to vote.

But most importantly,

https://www.dropbox.com/s/66w03dwjxsvj1jh/HoypTournamentMusic.wad?dl=0

Look it's done.

Music codes:

(click to show/hide)

BBBMUS - Bodacious Battle Bunnies
FIDKMUS - Fuck I dont know
HILTMUS - Hiltopians
M2KMUS - Team Mang- I mean M2K
MYBMUS - My B
M3PHMUS - Mach 3 Panty Hunters
R2HMMUS - Red and 2 homeless men
RAINMUS - Rainbow
SHSMUS - Slamhou Story
SMBMUS - Supra Mayro Bross
TRAPMUS - Toronto Raptors
TSMMUS - Team Solo Maxine (TSM TSM TSM TSM)
WHMMUS - Well Hydrated Muzaru
WRYMUS - Wryyyyy


COMEBACK - Comeback music
DRAFT - Draft pick music
HOYP - Tourney intro music

EXPLODER - ???
BASEBALL - ???
REGGAE - ???
JIBUNWO - ???
JOHNCENA - ???
GETFUKT - ???
CRAKHEAD - ???

Direct any complaints toward OJ.

Teams:

(click to show/hide)

1. Slamhou Story
---Sanicfam1102
---Meowstic
---Badz

2. D-Team
---DoomManFTW
---Dali
---Dan

3. Team Fuck I Don't Know
---Turbodude
---SmashBroPlusB
---Llamahombre

4. The Toronto Raptors
---Magnet Dood Jman
---Wario TGOT
---Kraven

5. Team Rainbow
---Epsilon
---Stonefunk
---Dan Habiki

6. Team Fight Kings:
---King Redips GS
---King Ring Star
---King Lemmy Yoshi (The Lemmy Koopa)

7. Supra Mayro Bross
---Gumballtoid
---Spikeboy
---Galactan

8. Team M2K
---King Dumb
---Mickle
---Korby

9. Team Solo Maxine
---Bikdark
---Mendez
---Maxine

10. Team Well Hydrated Muzaru
---Muzaru
---Sir Juicy
---Orange Juice

11. The Hiltopians
---Care Boby
---DarkWaRloCk
---MegaManRecharged

12. Team Red and two other homeless men
---Red
---Lucho
---Mr Browds

13. Battle Bunnies
---Ceridran
---Kapus
---Rozark

14. Team Not Even our Final Form Team My B
---Awbawlisk
---Venus
---Watzup7856

15. Mach - 3 Panty Hunters
---Potato-X64
---Fefnir
---LucasMargaret

16. WRYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
---Wengar
---Raveman
---Zytix

[Bikdark]

Send your .ogg and .mp3 music files to represent you and/or your team ala pro wrestling to Bikdark (either here or saix10 on skype) for compilation.

ALTERNATIVELY for the youtube->mp3 converter-impaired, send me youtube links and I'll be happy to convert them myself and throw them in the pack.

[Hallan Parva]

Certain classes may be banned outright, put up to a vote by community. (lists are not final and may include more, other suspects can be added by popular opinion)

Copyweps will be banned except for Rockman (who will himself be up to vote).

bruh pick one

[Orange juice :l]

Having a slew of Copywep classes isn't very conductive for a classes tournament- these bans are for variety's sake, not to mention classes such as Bass and Protoman are already glaringly powerful. More information regarding the suspects and other clauses has been posted below- Note this is for TLMS only.

Please remember that TLMS draft allows classes to be banned per-match so only vote to ban if you think the class is too centralizing. Vote here: http://strawpoll.me/4964253
If you think any other classes deserve to be put to a vote, make a post about it with a brief reasoning and if there's some agreement it'll be added. Feel free to discuss the listed suspects as well.

(click to show/hide)

Flashman:
He's had a notorious history of being broken on his own with his ability to stop time, reposition himself, and disorient his opponent. Add in the fact that another teammate can drop a powerful, otherwise clunky hit on a helpless target, and Flashman's utility may be too centralizing in team modes.

Rockman:
Pretty simple- do you want to allow a copywep to appear in the tournament?

Homing Class Stack:
If banned, this will disallow any 2 of Magnetman, Diveman, Hornetman, or Wily from appearing on the same team. Stacking large amounts of homing projectiles is a dangerously viable way of zoning enemies in LMS-style matches, especially with escape mechanisms such as flight or knockback.

Class Mirroring:
If allowed, teams may both select the same class on their team. If disabled, once a class is picked, the other team may not use it. Would put more emphasis on the draft pick, strategy, and knowing your opponent.

Dynamoman:
Has a limited amount of healing, but can easily shut down melee classes with his AoE scan. Perhaps not the biggest offender, but is definitely more well-suited to specific class archetypes as opposed to all-around play.

MWS and Pirateman:
In TLMS, recovering health is a critical factor. These characters both have shields that can recover over time and will completely absorb incoming attacks (40 MWS, 30 Pirateman). While not enough to make these characters invincible, it fosters a hit and run tactic that few classes can react to.

Woodman:
While not a huge offender on his own (though plenty find him annoying), teammates can attack his shield to cause leaves to rain down which gives him an unexpected edge in team modes.

Toadman:
What was thought of as a nerf made him impressively powerful, not only being able to completely zone large areas but also deal nigh unavoidable damage with his quick movement and large AoE range.

Magicman:
Though his ability to deal damage is nothing extraordinary, his card attacks heal a massive amount of health on hit, especially in LMS where health is a limited resource.

Crystalman:
His new tricks give him a much more impressive ability to shut down areas and make even moderately enclosed areas extremely difficult to avoid taking chip damage in.

Gyroman:
He's had quite the history in Classes tournaments, even being accused of being the MVP on any players' team in early Classes Duel tournaments, and he's barely changed since then. However, he's also gained the ability to toggle his flight instead of hold it, giving him more versatility in the air. Broken? Questionable. Seen his fair share of tournament glory? Absolutely.

Geminiman:
As always, he's (they've?) been much more of an issue in TLMS with his ability to drop a clone and get a few easy shots off as it immediately fires directly at the enemy. However, some rushing classes could take the moderate damage and push through to the real target.

Searchman:
Once he's locked on, there is no way to avoid the homing missiles short of running them into a wall (tested on MM2DW1 with Slash Dash), even if he's not facing you at all! This killer ability to lock down opponents with a 2HKO on most classes could leave a team unable to move throughout the map at all while another zoning class clears out the cover, or even take out opponents alone before they can get remotely close.

[CDRom11_2007]

Also, another to consider, should weaknesses be removed or just keep them in?

[Korby]

Off.
I don't see any reason to turn them on [or to vote for them] as they don't promote any sort of strategy aside from "The first person to pick a class with a weakness is boned in draft!"

When does voting end and signup start?

[Hallan Parva]

I still think one other copy class (Doc Robot or Duo comes to mind) should be at least considered. I agree that playing only copyweps in classes kind of defies the point of playing classes to begin with, but Rockman offers nothing of any real value to the scene. He has no defining trait, no real gimmick like the Robot Master classes have, and he's just a nuisance since he hurts like hell. Both Duo and Doc are less centralizing about what broken weapon they happen to draw in a round, making them less luck reliant and requiring a bit more skill to use. In Duo's case, his buster and shoulder bash are primarily melee; combined with his slower speed and higher armor, Duo is more likely to approach opponents instead of running away with a dash like other copy classes. With Doc Robot, the player has to shuffle around their weapons due to Doc's higher ammo cost and regenerating ammo mechanic.

I see the reasoning behind every other suspect on the list, though. Nicely written.



And yes, keep weaknesses the hell away from this.

[Orange juice :l]

@Korby

at July 22, 7PM EST (or earlier if it's crushingly one-sided) the results will be tallied

Also, huge apologies, meant to include "No Weaknesses" in the OP.
Additionally, should a vote come to a tie, allowing the class will be chosen by default.

[Muzaru]

What about Centaur, with this leaning towards tlms.

[Ghoulitine]

I am really looking forward to this.
Only things I need now is not-being-bad-at-the-game and an actual team.

Also, I dont see any reason to allow weaknesses. Speaking of that, does YD even include an option to disable them,
or will it be a patch?

[Korby]

YD Classes included a cvar to disable them in 8a.

[Daniel]

Oh , i was gonna ask about that, but eh.

[Hallan Parva]

What about Centaur, with this leaning towards tlms.

If Centy is even brought up for discussion, then Time Man and Bright Man deserve equal treatment. Bright's stop ability is AoE like Centy's, but is a full stop in the vein of Flash Man versus a "spark" stun attack (which btw, several classes can jump or dash out of). Bright Man also has faster DPS with his buster and a blinding grenade on alt. Time Man doesn't stop anyone, but unlike Centy and Bright, Time Slow cannot be negated once it lands, and due to its nature of being a persistent debuff versus a temporary stop, lends itself to much greater strength in team games (as allies can capitalize on Time Slow much more effectively).

... And to add insult to injury, both Bright Man and Time Man can still inflict their statuses on enemy Centaurs.


Also, I never heard anything back regarding Duo or Doc Robot. Any consideration, or... ?

[Orange juice :l]

I'd consider Duo (not so much for Doc with his regenerating ammo in TLMS), but as with any other decision I'd want some consensus on the subject.

[Hallan Parva]

Right, that makes sense.

I'll have to play a bit more with the lack of weaknesses, but Flash Man not crying from bombs certainly changes that matchup considerably. Gonna have to sit and think before I vote on anyone else, and I encourage others to do the same.