Mega Man 8-bit Deathmatch V5B - 22/05/17!

[TheRealRoyale]

v6.

hmm.... i want to contribute with some bots(even weapon archive, there's a skin somewhere)
can i?

[GameAndWatcher]

v6.

hmm.... i want to contribute with some bots(even weapon archive, there's a skin somewhere)
can i?

The_Broker already supplied botchats for all future expansions. Unless your's happens to better than his, I doubt they'll use your's.

[Beed28]

Hoo boy, the Yashichi in MM9DW1 is probably one of the most evillest in the entire game:

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You use Black Hole Bomb on the Changkey Dragon. No, I am not even joking. To add on to this, the weapon isn't even on the map (or I couldn't find it at least), and there's no Eddie Call either. Also, the fence is solid to weapons fire so you have to noclip your way out. Also also the Yashichi only shows up in the dragon occasionally when he flies by, not every time.

[Dr. Freeman]

i mean that's not how you find it normally. you can see it without cheating

[Gothic]

Secret boss spoiler question:

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So I heard there is a hidden Grand Dad on Quint phase 2, but I can't find him. How and where does it appear?

[Korby]

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It doesn't. Molly modded that in herself.

[Bikdark]

I've fucking done it. All bosses down. Thoughts ahead:

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Bass phase 1: Excellent start to the madness. I originally underestimated him, so I took quite a while to learn to use the pillars to my advantage. Looks fuckin NICE, especially on the kick. He acts like a complete asshole in terms of gameplay, which I appreciate. Total time taken: 30 minutes.

Bass phase 2, Super Adapter: Huge fuckin step up from phase 1. Some attacks are pretty unavoidable, so chip damage is your worst enemy. You REALLY need to take your time with this one, and it's a good precursor to the 2nd fight, allowing you to learn all his STUPID BULLSHIT COMBO ATTACKS before it really matters. Total time taken: 1 hour.

Bass phase 2, Megabuster: FUCK THIS STUPID SHIT OH MY GOD HE HITS YOU FROM EVERYWHERE AND YOU FALL EASY AS SHIT, WHAT ASSHOLE CAME UP WITH THIS. Realistically tho it's a neat idea. Make even more crazy restrictions next patch. I appreciate how he isn't the same thing OVER AND OVER AND OVER like some of the early bosses, and actually makes you position well rather than find a sweetspot or blindly make distance. Also, the fact that he's most vulnerable during his power attacks fits his character; he gets cocky and thinks he's cool or some shit when he's actually about to take a few dozen shots to the dick. Total time taken: 2.5 hours (probably)

Protoman: That slide kick could be a bit better communicated, as could the charge shot/shield bullshit. Slide change isn't COMPLETELY necessary since if you always assume it's going to happen, you dodge it easily, but a tell for the charge shot is pretty necessary. Just have him turn toward what he's going to shoot at during the last couple moments. I low key want him to be easier to read mainly because I don't think Protoman ever WANTED to win in the first place. He always loses to Megaman, and will always lose to you -- but he accepts this fact and only wants to test you. Nerf this boss a little, but put Breakman in somewhere and make him want to straight up MURDER you. I'm talkin faster kicks, more shots during jump 'n shoot, more Protostrikes during shield toss (or hell multiple shields maybe), and a super attack. Total time taken: 30 minutes

Shark tail: It's not really a... boss. It's more like a "don't lose, then you win" scenario, where you only need to survive. If you only pay attention to the missiles and bullets flying at you, and disregard the shutters, you actually end up having an EASIER fight. Total time taken: 20 minutes

Shark body: Sort of the same as above. It poses a bit more of a challenge due to having to manage the spike ceiling, shit flying at you, AND shooting the shutters, but it's not that bad tbh. Only takes 3 attempts maximum.

Slifer the BULLSHIT Dragon: WHY WOULD YOU FUCKING DO THIS? HOLY SHIT HE'S SO FUCKING INCONSISTENT, HIS ATTACKS AREN'T INTERACTIVE, AND YOU HAVE TO FIGHT HIM AGAIIIIN IF YOU FUCK UP THE STUPID HEAD FIGHT? COME ON MAN. TOTAL TIME TAKEN: 30 MINUTES FOR FIRST ATTEMPT

Shark head: Stupid attacks. Unavoidable walls. Unavoidable laser attacks. Fuck. Took me like 30 minutes

Shark Overall: Make Changkey his own boss, remove checkpoints, shift craziness from head fight to tail and body fight.

Fake Chase: CHRIST IT TAKES SO FUCKIN LONG UUUUGH. Despite my consistent bitching during this entire thing, it's a great fucking concept. Resource management + Enemy management are always fun, and the chase was a cool twist on 9's Wily 1 boss. It feels SO fucking drawn out though, and the first time you get to the halfway point takes incredibly longer longer than midpoint > ending. Space out that GOD DAMN hp, and add one more, possibly "urgency-inducing" unit toward the end maybe???? Total time taken: like a fuckin hour holy shit

Fakeman: fuck this stupid fight this is nothing like the anime where light and L are in the helicopter watching the evil guy tRY AND KILL EVERYONE BUT WATARI'S IN THE OTHER HELICOPTER READY TO SNIPE HIS HEAD OFF AND STOP HIM FROM WRITING EVERYONE'S NAME IN THE DEATH NOTE but instead we get the same pattern over and over again and a boss with 100 shots' worth of hp. Bump his damage WAY up but cut his hp in like, half. We don't have a glass cannon boss in this game, and Fakeman could totes fit that ticket. Total time taken: felt like 30 years but was more like 45 minutes

Quint: fuck this stupid shit. im not even commenting oh my god i never want to see this scrawny green little fuckboy gremlin ever again. go suck the green giant's dick you instagibbing timewaster literal fucking asshole jabroni. took me about 8 FUCKING HOURS.

[KOManiacJim]

First day fighting against Punk, several hours later I am thinking to myself "That's it. (You're done.) I tried. (It's over.) But you don't see the light."

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GIVE IGMETALBLADEWEP

"I am done. Turn. In. Your. Entry." Fires Instagib Metal Blade. "I am exiting out so I don't get the weapon afterwards."

[Superjustinbros]

/wonders how he could partake in V6 development

[Hallan Parva]

be a nice and cool person who can make productive things to help development
a lot of the dev team is asked to join, not the other way around

also the team tends to shift around a lot so don't worry if you're new or relatively unknown
I mean look at IamaMedalHunter, that guy's a total boss who pretty much came outta nowhere

you just gotta believe, man

[Shmeckie]

So I haven't touched the campaign in a long time. Since before the MM7 update, in fact. Mostly a combination of the classes mods capturing my interest, and then my progress being erased and not wanting to go through the frustrating experiences I had in single player again. On a lark, I decided to start the campaign over again since it had been a long time, and some bosses were nerfed. Thankfully the awful issue with the Gamma fight where you didn't get all the weapons back on respawn was gone (had to use the giveall cheat to be able to win). Good lord was I happy about that...

So I breezed through Mega Man 1-6, go through 7, get to the boss. First fight is all right. Good stuff, challenging, but there's a pattern, you figure it out, you beat him, it's all good.

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Then that godforsaken second phase starts.

That was, hands down, the worst experience I've ever had playing this game. And I'm including against other human beings. I pined for the days of KY Classes where some jagoff would exploit the Gemini Man glitch and fill a map with ronin gemini clones. I yearned for rooms full of instagib YD Ring Men. Let me just run through everything that's so very wrong with this fight...

- The platform layout is atrocious. It's a series of tiny pieces of floor (most of them thin, leaving little room for movement) in a random pattern at random levels. Except you have to focus on this little purple bastard flying around randomly (more on that later), so you can't focus on the goofy, multi-tired layout of the arena. It was way, way too easy to fall off in the middle of a fight. In fact, the vast majority of my deaths were from falling off the god damn arena. I can only remember a couple times where I died because of Bass, and not the floor. Making matters worse, there's too many spots in the middle of the damn arena where you can fall through.

- If you DO fall through and Beat saves you, getting back up before he goes away is like swimming out of frozen water after you've fallen in through a hole in the ice. A lot of your face in the floor going "where's the damn gaps," or "where's the damn edge".

- Bass' flying pattern is too erratic. Far too often he'd fly right in my face and immediately launch a series of big purple balls in my face wasting most of my health bar with little I can do about it. Made worse by the fact that he's flying around free as a bird, while you're limited to the forced angle of the Super Adapter's double jump. It's too easy to either lose him, or have him just fly in your face and blast you, or fly behind you and prepare an attack so by the time you turn around, he's raining anime power balls down like a casino fountain. This also makes hitting him needlessly frustrating because it just means half the time your charged fist attack will miss him.

- Your mobility is terrible. The Super Adapter's double jump forces this forward movement as well as the rise up, so you're constantly fighting against it if you want to keep yourself stable while fighting him. So not only do I have to mind what Bass is doing, I have to fight against the momentum of this thing which is made worse by the lowered gravity. And you constantly have to worry about your position because of the awful floor layout, which makes struggling with this thing even more of a pain.

That whole fight felt like everyone responsible for it cared more about aesthetics than actually playing it. Who cares if it's an utter chore to play as long as it looks epic. It needs to have the feel of having a Super Adapter duel against Bass on falling debris! Which is a great idea, except that falling debris makes for a terrible arena, controlling the Super Adapter in flight while following Bass and keeping yourself above actual ground is like trying to ride a spooked horse, Bass can move quickly, freely, and blast anime all over your face and nuke your lifebar, all while you try to aim a pea shooter as this nimble evil man-fairy or shoot him with a homing fist that only seems to hit him about 50% of the time and doesn't even do much damage when it does hit.

And hell, I like a good challenge (I play SNK fighters religiously for pete's sake, I know hard. I've been on the business end of Nightmare Geese), but that fight was not fun. And I really do mean that. I feel like a sucker; I'm playing this game to enjoy myself (and up until that fight, I had been. Quite a bit, in fact), and I just sat there and played that even though I didn't have to, and didn't enjoy the experience. Looking back I should have just turned God Mode on and been done with it.

[Stardust]

IMO sweating for an hour with over 100+ tries in front of a boss is a experience you'll remember, even if the fight might seems unfair that's good it teaches you about how hard real life is just like some games used to be hardcorely hard.
In a masochistic way a boss "seeming impossible" to defeat >IMO< is a good experience. And it's not anyway a Player vs Player fight so you can't be salty about it like if it was some kind of competitive thing. Bosses battles aren't meant to be some relaxing walk in the park like you'd farm bots in DM, they're here to test you harshly (especially the Final / Secret ones)

I defeated the [secret final boss] of v5 after 3-4 days (1 hour a day trying to get further in the fight) and I eventually did it (without cheats ofc) and I kind of feel good for it. You should try to deal with it and fight it and you'll be rewarded, instead of complaining and asking for nerfs. That's good if they have lunatic difficulty.

[Shmeckie]

There's a difference between struggling against something because it's challenging and struggling because it's bullshit. It's the difference between, say, Gimmick! and IWTBTG. To bring it back to SNK, even when they put you through some hardcore challenges the challenge never comes from poor design or random chances to get insta-nuked. Even when they make you fight a marathon of stat-boosted boss characters on one health bar with no healing between fights, you can still overcome that challenge through skill, pattern recognition, etc. A lot different than creating a situation where the player needs to keep looking up and then making them fight on tiny chunks of uneven floor where you can easily fall into a pit while struggling just to stay in place. That's not challenge. That's crap.

[-Daiki-TheOni]

CutmanMike i'll put this on spoilers

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Rock&roll!!!  

THIS EXPANSION MAKES F***** JUSTICE!!
sorry for that but, you and the dev team have sucesfully created such a game with his own story, the bosses are better every time so harder but above all, so epic but so so epic michael bay can't surpass this with any of his explosions. new doctor light labs are awesome, new levels and revamped maps are awesome, bass fight is epic as hell, protoman, fakeman and the shark ship batles are even more epic as hell.. but Quint... Quint wins them all, at last, the most underrrated of all the characters in megaman receives not only only a normal boss fight but an epic one that longs like 5 phases with another time-anomaly but the better thing is the script, makes the character shine and outstand even more than the original game (megaman II) and the other characters and the entire city thing... holy metatron! this game only gets better with time!!!
so..
Congratulations Devs and CMM, this makes justice to megaman, and brings joy to people who enjoyed the original games and also to people who is new in the megaman world.

EDIT:too many errors!!(i was so hyped)

[Stardust]

bass isn't even hard
I mean you have almost infinite flying and a homing fist so you don't need to aim. And checkpoint after the first part. And he's meant to be defeatable Mega buster only. You just didn't played against him enough because if you did so you'd have gotten used to his patterns and stuff.

Like he's easyy if you know what you're doing (that is seeing which attacks he does and how to position/react properly)

he's not even a warmup next to the mm9 bosses

(also player skill is also a factor)