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Title: MM8BDM V2 public opinion poll! - SLOPES!
Post by: CutmanMike on May 15, 2011, 10:23:49 PM
It's time for another community poll, where the community says what's what! This week's topic is... Slopes!

Yes slopes. You've seen them using in custom MM8BDM levels, but how about seeing them in some of the originals? Sure slopes aren't technically in Mega Man, which is why I stuck to using 32x32 stairs everywhere. But speaking in terms of map flow, having to jump up stairs to get to new areas really breaks up the map flow. Haven't you ever lost a match simply because you couldn't jump your fat robot ass up some tight staircases? With slopes, you could just run up those things and avoid enemy fire without struggling up a staircase. Here's an example of what I'm talking about:

(click to show/hide)

This would not mean all staircases and ladders would be changed. Just the ones that I feel completely break up the map flow (Shadow Man, Centaur Man, Mr. X Fortress etc).

Have a think about all those times you've tripped up stairs in this game and got busted before voting! Poll ends in one week!
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Post by: Tails_Of_Tales on May 15, 2011, 10:29:00 PM
I say YES! Seriously, the stairs, no matter how Megaman they are, they slow everyone down except for a few instances. The stairs slow me down most of the time from performing an escape from online enemies.

The slopes would help alot. 1 - They wont slow people down. 2 - Easier to get to certain places. And 3 - Slopes just make life alot better.... *points to people in wheelchairs*

CutmanMike, you are a genius.
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Post by: LlamaHombre on May 15, 2011, 10:30:45 PM
I vote yes, but what the fuck happened to mirror buster?
Title: Re: MM8BDM V2 public opinion poll! - SLOPES!
Post by: CutmanMike on May 15, 2011, 10:32:16 PM
Any weapon that makes sense for Mega Man to hold out his hand, he now does so.
Title: Re: MM8BDM V2 public opinion poll! - SLOPES!
Post by: OZX on May 15, 2011, 10:32:59 PM
brilliant.slopes make life easier. u can escape from zombies a bit faster then usual.
Title: Re: MM8BDM V2 public opinion poll! - SLOPES!
Post by: Kapus on May 15, 2011, 10:37:00 PM
As long as they're kept to a minimum, I'm fine.
Title: Re: MM8BDM V2 public opinion poll! - SLOPES!
Post by: Nuy on May 15, 2011, 10:40:27 PM
Well I've seen plenty of times where stairs were set up in such a way where you can just walk up so why not use that?
Title: Re: MM8BDM V2 public opinion poll! - SLOPES!
Post by: CutmanMike on May 15, 2011, 10:43:07 PM
Well, where it would make sense to just make proper stairs I would use those. Aligning textures can be a pain in some cases though.
Title: Re: MM8BDM V2 public opinion poll! - SLOPES!
Post by: CHAOS_FANTAZY on May 15, 2011, 10:49:38 PM
I don't mean to be rude or stereotyping here, but...MM8BDM wasn't meant to be played in a wheelchair.
Also, there's barely any PLATFORMING IN THIS GAME ABOUT PLATFORMING as is.  I voted no, and it looks like I'm the first to do so.[/hipster]
Title: Re: MM8BDM V2 public opinion poll! - SLOPES!
Post by: OZX on May 15, 2011, 10:51:16 PM
but its harder to climb alot of steps, dont u hate that?
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Post by: CutmanMike on May 15, 2011, 10:51:31 PM
Megaman is about platforming, but is MM8BDM really?
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Post by: Nuy on May 15, 2011, 10:53:36 PM
Hm... the forum seems to be having issues when I click to view the latest unread post. You should look into that!
Anyway, I personally think it should be left as stairs but be walkable, like I said before. It may be hard to do but ramps are eh unless its a very long or short stretch of land.
Title: Re: MM8BDM V2 public opinion poll! - SLOPES!
Post by: Lio on May 15, 2011, 10:58:35 PM
I think stairs make the game feel more like a platform game like the originals and it's a really nice touch, but they do interrupt the flow of the map in some rare occasions. I've always been in favor of adding new features to the game, such as this one. As long as they don't start popping up in every official map, I'd say go for it.
Title: Re: MM8BDM V2 public opinion poll! - SLOPES!
Post by: Donutyoshi on May 15, 2011, 11:00:26 PM
I picked No.
Title: Re: MM8BDM V2 public opinion poll! - SLOPES!
Post by: OZX on May 15, 2011, 11:04:26 PM
why dont....ah. i get it now.
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Post by: KillerChair on May 15, 2011, 11:13:20 PM
I wouldnt mind seeing some... But as Kapus said, Keep the slopes to a minimum.

And i wont vote ;)
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Post by: SaviorSword on May 15, 2011, 11:18:42 PM
I'm in the same boat as Kapus is, but I still voted no. If I see a few slops here and there, that's fine. Though I do like the challenge aspect of stairs, it just another excuse for playin' bad just because ya didn't jump when ya needed to.
Title: Re: MM8BDM V2 public opinion poll! - SLOPES!
Post by: Copy Robot on May 15, 2011, 11:23:02 PM
Quote from: "CutmanMike"
Any weapon that makes sense for Mega Man to hold out his hand, he now does so.
(http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110316200358/megaman/images/thumb/8/89/MirrorBuster2.png/250px-MirrorBuster2.png)

whaaaaaaa

Anyways
Aside from that I'll be parroting KillerChair mostly.
Though the addition of slopes would surely make Blizzard Man happy.
Title: Re: MM8BDM V2 public opinion poll! - SLOPES!
Post by: TERRORsphere on May 15, 2011, 11:32:22 PM
Uhh, doesn't my official CTF map have slopes?
Title: Re: MM8BDM V2 public opinion poll! - SLOPES!
Post by: NemZ on May 16, 2011, 12:14:42 AM
Quote from: "CutmanMike"
Megaman is about platforming, but is MM8BDM really?

Exactly so.  FPS + platforming is almost always a complete trainwreck, so why keep fighting it?  Just do what feels good.   ;)

Besides, 8 had stages with the occasional slope... and no, I don't mean just in Frostman and wily1.
Title: Re: MM8BDM V2 public opinion poll! - SLOPES!
Post by: tsukiyomaru0 on May 16, 2011, 12:40:00 AM
I'm in favor of slopes or jump buff. Slopes are cool, specially for certain maps.
Title: Re: MM8BDM V2 public opinion poll! - SLOPES!
Post by: Dark Phil on May 16, 2011, 01:02:02 AM
Sounds good to me! Just don't go overboard with them.
Title: Re: MM8BDM V2 public opinion poll! - SLOPES!
Post by: Korby on May 16, 2011, 01:28:48 AM
I voted no. Stairs are a great place to pick people off, and games will eventually last longer because slopes replace them.

Now, if slopes were only in a few maps, I wouldn't mind.
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Post by: MagnetMan497 on May 16, 2011, 01:46:32 AM
Agree with Korby. Voted no.
Title: Re: MM8BDM V2 public opinion poll! - SLOPES!
Post by: Magnet Dood on May 16, 2011, 01:50:56 AM
I'm tempted to vote yes and no...

I like the stairs because they're traditional.

I like the slope idea because it's a pain to go up them...

Hmmm....
Title: Re: MM8BDM V2 public opinion poll! - SLOPES!
Post by: Tails on May 16, 2011, 01:51:39 AM
Eh, voted yes. I say put slopes in places that need it like say Blizzardman or a place that would make sense to put a slope there. I really don't care if it isn't Megaman like, it's not like everything EXACTLY has to be like Megaman. Hell, I don't think plant barrier ever healed you ingame, why keep it exactly like the games? In all, slopes are a good idea.
Title: Re: MM8BDM V2 public opinion poll! - SLOPES!
Post by: Messatsu on May 16, 2011, 02:27:04 AM
Voted yes.  Slopes, used sparingly, would be a great change.  I can't tell you how much I hate those narrow stairs in Dark man's stage.  The ceiling is low so getting up there is a pain.  The longer wider passages with stairs are fine though.
Title: Re: MM8BDM V2 public opinion poll! - SLOPES!
Post by: TrueTenguMan on May 16, 2011, 03:13:15 AM
Quote from: "Kapus"
As long as they're kept to a minimum, I'm fine.

I'm pretty much with Kapus here. Slopes would be alright, but too frequent use of it wouldn't look right. Maybe some maps where you can be rather creative with them and not replace the steps.
Title: Re: MM8BDM V2 public opinion poll! - SLOPES!
Post by: Nuy on May 16, 2011, 03:34:32 AM
I'd like to bring up MM4DC1X which, IMO, uses a perfect balance of slopes and stairs.
Title: Re: MM8BDM V2 public opinion poll! - SLOPES!
Post by: CopShowGuy on May 16, 2011, 03:44:05 AM
Voted no, but wouldn't mind the occasional slope.  I'd actually prefer slopes that are actually just very shallow steps.
Title: Re: MM8BDM V2 public opinion poll! - SLOPES!
Post by: ice on May 16, 2011, 04:12:26 AM
I TOLD you dog, I warned you about them stairs! (free cookie for who gets the reference)

anyway, I say leave stairs, except on centaurman, the rest seem fine and some would look ugly with slopes
Title: Re: MM8BDM V2 public opinion poll! - SLOPES!
Post by: Ivory on May 16, 2011, 04:54:46 AM
I voted no because from my design standpoint, megaman textures don't look good when you cut them off at 45 degree angles...

Wonder if anyone else is voting no solely on the point that it makes the wall the textures look cut off.
Title: Re: MM8BDM V2 public opinion poll! - SLOPES!
Post by: Korby on May 16, 2011, 05:01:40 AM
That is one of the reasons I voted no, but more because it'd make the floor textures odd.
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Post by: SickSadWorld on May 16, 2011, 05:38:23 AM
Voted no.

In many game modes where two players of equal skill are traveling at equal speed often the only opportunity to get the jump on your opponent is through their botched climbing of stairs.

It is possible to climb stairs quickly, it's just most people fail at doing this.

Rather than adding slopes I'll suggest making certain steps equal to or less than 24 height from an adjacent sector so you don't have to jump.

Slopes also can wreck certain items like gemini laser and knight crush by making them get stuck.

Just keep the 32 height steps. It is something unique and refreshing about MM8BDM that makes it different from typical Doom Skulltag.
Title: Re: MM8BDM V2 public opinion poll! - SLOPES!
Post by: KnightMan on May 16, 2011, 07:03:32 AM
I voted no. Slopes look weird next to regular MM8BDM textures. Besides, since when have slopes been hard to climb?
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Post by: Myroc on May 16, 2011, 07:21:53 AM
I'm going to vote no. I would approve of it if I knew just which stairs were going to be replaced with slopes; I only want those which disrupt gameplay way too much be replaced. Cossack's isn't one of them.
Title: Re: MM8BDM V2 public opinion poll! - SLOPES!
Post by: Shade Guy on May 16, 2011, 08:38:33 AM
Yes, but only for a few maps. With my lag, I usually find it annoying climbing the Centaur Stairs especially with low gravity cramping my style. Though smaller stairs are also an option, so you don't have to jump up them.

Yes I did just say cramping my style get over it
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Post by: Duora Super Gyro on May 16, 2011, 09:31:42 AM
climbing stairs can be a pain and can really mess u up,stupid stairs messing me up right in the middle of roboenzabut this is a mega man game, and megaman didnt have slopes, i think we should keep stairs, even though they are a pain sometimesdamn walls messing me up in roboenza too
Title: Re: MM8BDM V2 public opinion poll! - SLOPES!
Post by: CutmanMike on May 16, 2011, 09:33:25 AM
For those saying "they'll make things look bad", don't forget who'd be adding the slopes here. I'd do my best to avoid texture murder  :cool:
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Post by: Duora Super Gyro on May 16, 2011, 09:41:29 AM
come to think of it...some stairs are a reall pain like centaur mans...but u could just make the stairs shorter
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Post by: Nuy on May 16, 2011, 01:48:43 PM
Hmm what about Bright Mans stage? Would the outer be ramps and stairs inner? Maybe the other way around?
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Post by: CutmanMike on May 16, 2011, 02:05:51 PM
I don't think Bright Man's will be changed, the stairs are big enough.
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Post by: Nuy on May 16, 2011, 02:15:17 PM
You play that stage pretty much by holding the jump button and moving, though. That would warrant a change IMO.
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Post by: Max on May 16, 2011, 02:19:08 PM
Nnononoonononononononononoonno
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Post by: NemZ on May 16, 2011, 04:12:23 PM
The real question as I see it is if bubble lead and weapons like it can go up slopes.  If yes then Brightman would be very much improved by not having the bubble at the bottom being such a gag gift.
Title: Re: MM8BDM V2 public opinion poll! - SLOPES!
Post by: Kapus on May 16, 2011, 04:15:22 PM
Bubble Lead can go up slopes, yes. It is very fun to do.
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Post by: brotoad on May 16, 2011, 04:18:56 PM
i don't know anything about doom, but would you be able to make it so walking up the stairs will just makes you move to the next step without jumping? this way you could have the convienience of slopes but the 8-bit look of the stairs!
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Post by: Ivory on May 16, 2011, 04:22:20 PM
Well it breaks MM8BDM style, which involves 32 block steps. So unless Cutty either changes the rules to allow 16 units, or changes the step height so classes can walk up 32 units, it's currently not possible. I rather see that done over slopes though. I know I put slopes in a few of my maps, but I've slowly been phasing them out for more pure mm8bdm style.
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Post by: -RanRan on May 16, 2011, 06:23:47 PM
No. Just no.

I say that both from design and gaming standpoints, so I'm with Korby and Ivory on this. From the design look, the wall textures becomes a botched mess.

While from the gameplay standing, this would cause a horrible catastrophe in games. Both Skilled players, and TROLL's would end too fast in Deathmatch, and cause a flow problem in smaller Team and Duel Modes.

(click to show/hide)
First person to guess the reference of who showed up in Duel yesterday gets a cookie. They acted like this.
Title: Re: MM8BDM V2 public opinion poll! - SLOPES!
Post by: CutmanMike on May 16, 2011, 07:15:17 PM
Quote from: "Ivory"
Well it breaks MM8BDM style, which involves 32 block steps. So unless Cutty either changes the rules to allow 16 units, or changes the step height so classes can walk up 32 units, it's currently not possible. I rather see that done over slopes though. I know I put slopes in a few of my maps, but I've slowly been phasing them out for more pure mm8bdm style.

You can make playerclasses climb up a specified height but IMO that would be jerky and weird
Title: Re: MM8BDM V2 public opinion poll! - SLOPES!
Post by: Tesseractal on May 16, 2011, 08:04:33 PM
Quote from: "Korby"
I voted no. Stairs are a great place to pick people off, and games will eventually last longer because slopes replace them.

Now, if slopes were only in a few maps, I wouldn't mind.

I also voted no, and this is primarily why. Having stairs increases the functionality of multiple weapons - particularly Super Arm, Search Snake, Water Wave, and Screw Crusher. They also make great placements for the small life/weapon energy pellets, and I don't feel those would really be placed as well on a slope. (Look at Star Man's stage with the Magnet Spawn, for example - Having that as a slope would just kill me) Like Korby said though, a tiny amount of slopes could help. (I agree with Mess using Darkman Castle as an example - the narrow, shallow stairs that go to the top area are a bit of a hassle, whereas the others are fine. The other thing being - slopes used in newer levels I feel would probably be received better. (Slopes being added to old levels might not be so welcome)

@ice: lol SBHJ
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Post by: NemZ on May 16, 2011, 08:23:27 PM
Guys, I don't think anyone is suggesting replacing ALL stairs... just some of them, in places where it makes sense to speed things up a bit.
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Post by: OZX on May 16, 2011, 08:36:42 PM
yup, the maps that  give us a really hard time.
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Post by: Tails_Of_Tales on May 16, 2011, 08:43:23 PM
Some things we need to consider about slopes in MM8BDm...

Quote from: "CutmanMike"
You've seen them using in custom MM8BDM levels, but how about seeing them in some of the originals?


If the custom levels with slopes got good reviews/were played on alot, then it should be ok.

Quote from: "CutmanMike"
Sure slopes aren't technically in Mega Man, which is why I stuck to using 32x32 stairs everywhere. But speaking in terms of map flow, having to jump up stairs to get to new areas really breaks up the map flow. Haven't you ever lost a match simply because you couldn't jump your fat robot ass up some tight staircases?

YES!  I hate when that happens, doesn't everyone? Even though it slows both people down (the attacker and victim) it's still a speed issue,

Quote from: "CutmanMike"
With slopes, you could just run up those things and avoid enemy fire without struggling up a staircase. Here's an example of what I'm talking about:

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This I like. Even if some textures will get messed up, it's good. It's not always about textures, UNLESS the whole map is bad texture layout.

Quote from: "CutmanMike"
This would not mean all staircases and ladders would be changed. Just the ones that I feel completely break up the map flow (Shadow Man, Centaur Man, Mr. X Fortress etc).

If you read this part of CutmanMike's post, he says not ALL of them will be changed. I bet even half of the levels will be left alone. He only wants to change the big things.
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Post by: Korby on May 17, 2011, 01:06:53 AM
Except now you can shoot Water Wave UP that, and it's literally right next to the ramp.

Sure, it breaks map flow, but stairs are necessary for things such as item placement and nerfing weapons.
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Post by: MagnetMan497 on May 17, 2011, 01:41:45 AM
Welp, I think this'll pass... Sadly.
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Post by: Tails_Of_Tales on May 17, 2011, 01:57:04 AM
Quote from: "MagnetMan497"
Welp, I think this'll pass... Sadly.

Is that a good thing or a bad thing for MM8BDM? When you think about it, CutmanMike has a point that some stairs are a pain in the arse.
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Post by: Tesseractal on May 17, 2011, 02:19:16 AM
Quote from: "MagnetMan497"
Welp, I think this'll pass... Sadly.
No, the divisive opinion just means that probably a compromise will occur. I wouldn't really count it out; just count on less slopes than if there were a unanimous "yes". Gonna agree with Korby's post again here. <.<
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Post by: Tails on May 17, 2011, 10:59:19 AM
Well, you can keep some of your precious stairs >.> It's not sad if it passes; majority rules.
Title: Re: MM8BDM V2 public opinion poll! - SLOPES!
Post by: Duora Super Gyro on May 17, 2011, 03:30:09 PM
now that i think about it, i think we could use some slopes. they would reallt help but only where they are needed
(click to show/hide)
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Post by: HertzDevil on May 17, 2011, 06:39:33 PM
Quote from: "NemZ"
Quote from: "CutmanMike"
Megaman is about platforming, but is MM8BDM really?

 Besides, 8 had stages with the occasional slope... and no, I don't mean just in Frostman and wily1.
N64Mario's Mega Man engine and Rockman 4 Minus Infinity have both broken the tradition as well, so why not?

In before every slope either has horribly stretched textures or is forced to give an integer length ie. All slopes are 3:4.
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Post by: Jc494 on May 17, 2011, 06:56:37 PM
Yes and No.
Yes - Less use of Jump, yay!
No - Uh, Mike I think we can jump, whats with all the Slopes?
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Post by: Galaxy Sisbro on May 17, 2011, 07:04:43 PM
Because jumping thoses stairs is really annoying. People loses at roboenza because of it :/
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Post by: Korby on May 17, 2011, 07:43:10 PM
So turn around and shoot. Or use Item 1 to block their way. Or better, avoid stairs and escape a different way.
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Post by: Tails_Of_Tales on May 17, 2011, 07:48:36 PM
Quote from: "Korby"
So turn around and shoot. Or use Item 1 to block their way. Or better, avoid stairs and escape a different way.

The only problem, being there's ALOT of stairs in almost every level xD
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Post by: Ivory on May 17, 2011, 07:49:23 PM
Once you master stair jumping, you can literally soar up them. It's not even that hard to figure out how.
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Post by: Korby on May 17, 2011, 07:50:17 PM
It's not too hard to go over at least two stairs each jump. Just get a running start and time your jumps well.
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Post by: brotoad on May 17, 2011, 09:57:23 PM
i don't really see why slopes are nececary, though i still cannot master the stairs in shadowmans stage. i think that the slopes would make the stages look like multi storey car parks
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Post by: VGS2 on May 18, 2011, 02:04:26 PM
I'm gonna say no just to be cool.

Honestly though, even though I suck at doing so, it's much more fun to jump up stairs than just walk up 'em.
Makes being a roboenza zombie easier too, catching people who climb those stairs.
Title: Re: MM8BDM V2 public opinion poll! - SLOPES!
Post by: Max on May 18, 2011, 02:12:56 PM
This is getting close! I really don't want slopes, I mean look at the example Cutman provided. The stairs look much nicer, and make it much easier to pick people off when they're retreating!
Title: Re: MM8BDM V2 public opinion poll! - SLOPES!
Post by: Epic Fail Guy on May 18, 2011, 03:37:27 PM
I TOLD YOU MAN I TOLD YOU ABOUT STAIRS
To be honest, I'd like to have just a few slopes in a bunch of stages, but like, keep some stairs around, but you know, that's just me.  :geek:
Title: Re: MM8BDM V2 public opinion poll! - SLOPES!
Post by: NemZ on May 18, 2011, 06:10:03 PM
Quote from: "Epic Fail Guy"
To be honest, I'd like to have just a few slopes in a bunch of stages, but like, keep some stairs around, but you know, that's just me.  :geek:

It's not just you... that what the proposal was about from the beginning.  Nobody has suggested getting rid of all stairs.

Holy crap people, how hard is it to actually read what you're voting on?
Title: Re: MM8BDM V2 public opinion poll! - SLOPES!
Post by: TailsMK4 on May 18, 2011, 07:44:02 PM
At first I thought, slopes aren't possible...but then I remembered, during my testing of the Death Races wad, how as long as an object is not any higher than a certain number, the player will automatically walk over it. With that said, I did end up losing many times to a bot or player just because I couldn't climb the stairs fast enough. So, I support this for really long stairs.
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Post by: Asd967 on May 18, 2011, 08:05:21 PM
He means slopes as in like the ones on CTF maps.
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Post by: Balrog on May 18, 2011, 08:35:40 PM
Yes and no.

Yes - for MM7/8/&B expansions and where it absolutely breaks gameplay
No - using slopes just looks lazy, and IIRC it can break floorhugging and bouncy projectiles. Crystal Eye gets stuck in walls already, let's not make the problem worse.

Quote from: "CutmanMike"
Any weapon that makes sense for Mega Man to hold out his hand, he now does so.

(http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110316200358/megaman/images/thumb/8/89/MirrorBuster2.png/250px-MirrorBuster2.png)

Doesn't make sense for Mirror Buster
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Post by: Blaze Yeager on May 18, 2011, 09:52:03 PM
IIRC didn't MM1GB have him "Throwing" the Mirror Buster?
Title: Re: MM8BDM V2 public opinion poll! - SLOPES!
Post by: Korby on May 18, 2011, 10:30:37 PM
Yes, yes it did.
Title: Re: MM8BDM V2 public opinion poll! - SLOPES!
Post by: Tails_Of_Tales on May 19, 2011, 12:09:53 AM
People....you're missing the point here.

I'm only saying this one more time. He just wants to replace SOME of the slopes in MM8BDM. You're all acting like its the end of the world because there's going to be slanted terrain in Mega Man now... Its not like he's changing every single map either. He said only a handful of them.

Quote from: "Yellow Devil"
This is getting close! I really don't want slopes, I mean look at the example Cutman provided. The stairs look much nicer, and make it much easier to pick people off when they're retreating!

In my opinion YD, that example looked nice. It wasn't really clashing texture at all imo.

So, even though I already voted, I still say we should use slopes. Some of the best platform games have platforms, and yet you're complaining about a 3D game based off of a platformer. I dont think I've ever seen a 3D game where you cant walk up a slope/slanted piece of land/tiny stairs/whatever.
Title: Re: MM8BDM V2 public opinion poll! - SLOPES!
Post by: CutmanMike on May 19, 2011, 12:19:02 AM
btw I used this as a reference

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: MM8BDM V2 public opinion poll! - SLOPES!
Post by: LlamaHombre on May 19, 2011, 12:44:58 AM
Still shot out of the buster. Why not use that hand on the other half of the screen, and keep the current Mirror Buster HUD along with it?
Title: Re: MM8BDM V2 public opinion poll! - SLOPES!
Post by: Tails_Of_Tales on May 19, 2011, 01:02:31 AM
(can we please stay on topic? I may not be an admin, but the Mirror Buster argument doesn't belong in a Slopes poll I dont think....)
Title: Re: MM8BDM V2 public opinion poll! - SLOPES!
Post by: LlamaHombre on May 19, 2011, 01:03:24 AM
If we didn't get sidetracked sometimes, topics would never last more than 5 days.

EDIT: Woo, #555.
Title: Re: MM8BDM V2 public opinion poll! - SLOPES!
Post by: Tails_Of_Tales on May 19, 2011, 01:15:33 AM
There we go again with the off topic-ness. xD guess it cant be helped. So derp me.

But seriously, lets get back to slopes....  :geek:
Title: Re: MM8BDM V2 public opinion poll! - SLOPES!
Post by: Tails on May 19, 2011, 01:35:00 AM
The votes are so close. It could be anyone's game!
Title: Re: MM8BDM V2 public opinion poll! - SLOPES!
Post by: Magnet Dood on May 19, 2011, 02:23:19 AM
I sure do hope we have slopes. That would be good because it's a hassle to go up a ton of stairs while jumping.
Title: Re: MM8BDM V2 public opinion poll! - SLOPES!
Post by: Kenkoru on May 19, 2011, 02:36:01 AM
I honestly don't want slopes. It takes out the challenge of the stairs of destiny. All those grueling, painful hours of training. All the bloodshed, all those I've let down and sacrificed to master climbing those stairs perfectly will be for nothing. And all for the convenience of those wimps who believe that having something be easier is better than improving their own skill.

Wha? Anyway, I don't care if the slopes are "not Mega Man-like." Look at all those custom skins and maps out there with no relation to Mega Man whatsoever. I just don't want the trickiest stairs to become easy-peasy "walk-up" areas. I like challenges, and those stairs that help me lose in Roboenza, or get me fragged a billion times in DM, make me want to get better for later.

That's pretty much the entire reason, so i voted no.
Title: Re: MM8BDM V2 public opinion poll! - SLOPES!
Post by: FCx on May 19, 2011, 03:33:17 AM
I admit climbing those stairs is a bit laggy for +200 ping player. But megaman 8 bits never used slopes!!!
Title: Re: MM8BDM V2 public opinion poll! - SLOPES!
Post by: TERRORsphere on May 19, 2011, 08:14:34 AM
Dude, these maps are for DM. Roboenza is different.
Title: Re: MM8BDM V2 public opinion poll! - SLOPES!
Post by: Jc494 on May 19, 2011, 03:01:59 PM
Quote from: "DTDsphere"
Dude, these maps are for DM. Roboenza is different.

This made up my mind, so no.
Title: Re: MM8BDM V2 public opinion poll! - SLOPES!
Post by: T3H PL4Y3R on May 19, 2011, 03:10:54 PM
Please, no.

As much as I want slopes, I don't see the point, it would just eliminate the point of using the jump command.
Title: Re: MM8BDM V2 public opinion poll! - SLOPES!
Post by: Nuy on May 19, 2011, 03:17:01 PM
Quote from: "T3H PL4Y3R"
Please, no.

As much as I want slopes, I don't see the point, it would just eliminate the point of using the jump command.
Your post makes no sense. Why would you vote no if you want them? Not to mention removing the use of a jump is kind of the point. Places like darkman would get fixed so it's not so raging to go up. Not to mention it would change up some old maps that we've all seen and make it feel somewhat new which is something ive been wanting for a long time.
Title: Re: MM8BDM V2 public opinion poll! - SLOPES!
Post by: Darktype on May 19, 2011, 09:36:08 PM
*Votes to tip the favor of the vote towards yes*
Title: Re: MM8BDM V2 public opinion poll! - SLOPES!
Post by: Captain Barlowe on May 19, 2011, 10:10:32 PM
I voted no, as the slope thing... looks really out of place in this game. The pic with cossack looked kinda bleh with slopes. Honestly, roboenza shouldn't affect this game too much...
Title: Re: MM8BDM V2 public opinion poll! - SLOPES!
Post by: Donutyoshi on May 19, 2011, 10:38:03 PM
Wow it's tied. What's going to win?
Title: Re: MM8BDM V2 public opinion poll! - SLOPES!
Post by: Prosecutor Godot on May 20, 2011, 12:25:33 AM
It seems the voting MM8BDM public is quite torn about it. Maybe a few people will come along with the deciding votes in the next 3 days.
Title: Re: MM8BDM V2 public opinion poll! - SLOPES!
Post by: OrangeMario on May 20, 2011, 01:20:50 AM
I voted in favor in slopes.
Reason being is because it can be somewhat bland sometimes only seeing 'block' staircases all the time. having variaty in floors can really help out if used correctly.
And yes, stairs have always slowed me down, especally when I'm trying to run away from someone shooting me up, while their somehow able to get up to me faster. With this included, now I don't have to worry about hand cordination, and correct timing with the dang Spacebar (my default 'jump').

BTW, im not sure if you noticed this CMM, but you might want to fix waterwave then, because it dissapears when it hits a slop that goes up.

p.s. Woah, I made a tie breaker, but the precentage is still 50% (slopes) vs. 50% (no slopes). :
Title: Re: MM8BDM V2 public opinion poll! - SLOPES!
Post by: ice on May 20, 2011, 07:18:33 AM
How would snakes be affected by slopes? Also, dose the screw crusher reverse on slopes? *loved running up stairs and getting frags from behind*
Title: Re: MM8BDM V2 public opinion poll! - SLOPES!
Post by: Rawk Hawk on May 20, 2011, 11:46:19 AM
Well having slopes is the problem with attacks like water wave and lead bubble which will now (unless I'm severely misinformed) will travel upwards. Snakes will still travel up them as well. This is the main problem I see with slopes.

And while we don't really have many slopes, the bloc stair cases make MM8DDM a bit different than standard FPS. While platforming and FPS don't work well, a bit of platforming is never an awful idea.
Title: Re: MM8BDM V2 public opinion poll! - SLOPES!
Post by: Russel on May 20, 2011, 12:17:42 PM
Bubble and Wind break upon reaching the bottom of a slope, as well as trave down them as if they were stairs

Wave, Bubble, and Wind cannot travel up slopes, though wave travels down them with no issue

Snake just follows the slope completely
Title: Re: MM8BDM V2 public opinion poll! - SLOPES!
Post by: SickSadWorld on May 20, 2011, 12:34:55 PM
Lol, this was dead even until people started making forum alternate accounts.

Just saying.
Title: Re: MM8BDM V2 public opinion poll! - SLOPES!
Post by: CHAOS_FANTAZY on May 20, 2011, 09:02:21 PM
Quote from: "*Nu*"
Not to mention it would change up some old maps that we've all seen and make it feel somewhat new which is something ive been wanting for a long time.

*Points to Chaos Generator*
It was a simple mod, but I think it had great potential.
Title: Re: MM8BDM V2 public opinion poll! - SLOPES!
Post by: LlamaHombre on May 20, 2011, 09:07:15 PM
ENDITNOWENDITNOW



I'm going to be honest!

The stairs in Shadow Man's stage are a bitch!
Title: Re: MM8BDM V2 public opinion poll! - SLOPES!
Post by: HertzDevil on May 20, 2011, 09:19:07 PM
Hyper Bombs bounce downwards, Screw Crushers bounce backwards, Tango makes more amazing stunts, all ground tracking projectiles suddenly have variable velocities blah blah blah.

If it doesn't happen in official maps then fan made maps will still eventually be infested with slopes when everyone is whining 'why can't Mike just implement that in his maps'.

Also inevitable in MM8 'when the time comes'.
Title: Re: MM8BDM V2 public opinion poll! - SLOPES!
Post by: SmashTheEchidna on May 21, 2011, 06:20:32 AM
I say we should do it, but keep them to a minimum. I also support the idea for making stairs small enough to walk up normally like a slope.

I hate slipping up on those stairs. (Darkman's stage can be a nightmare with those stairs in Roboenza or Possession. Though you can just take a different route, sometimes you need to go up those stairs.) But I don't want to take them all out. I just want there to be enough to be convenient but still feel platformer like.
Title: Re: MM8BDM V2 public opinion poll! - SLOPES!
Post by: Kackebango on May 21, 2011, 09:14:25 AM
Slopes are ugly and not Megaman-like.
Title: Re: MM8BDM V2 public opinion poll! - SLOPES!
Post by: CarThief on May 21, 2011, 08:23:50 PM
Well i've voted yes because they reminds me of Darkman Castle stairs all over. Besides, with some crafy mappers and tricks the texture butchering is avoidable. Like make a stairs but remove/seperate the middle-section of the hallways with stairs and make it a slope instead, having the slope in the middle but the stairs on the sides, not to mention have it lower for that effect. You can also put it higher then the stairs element or equal to it for some kind of (royal) carpet effect. Seems like a pain to make in Doombuilder though, reminds me of the gimmicky sliding doors in Duke Nukem 3D...

Also, i could have sworn i saw slopes in some of the NES megaman games. My eyes rarely decieve me. Though i merely saw it in the video, i dont know if Megaman actually is programmed to walk up slopes instead of treating them like stairs.
As is said above, make sure the projectiles dont cause game-breaking glitches when in contact with slopes.
Edit: Perhaps the slopes thing was just my imagination. Still, platformers. Slopes. They work. So why not in a Megaman-based game? All to improve the gameplay...
Title: Re: MM8BDM V2 public opinion poll! - SLOPES!
Post by: HertzDevil on May 21, 2011, 09:04:05 PM
Quote from: "CarThief"
Also, i could have sworn i saw slopes in some of the NES megaman games. My eyes rarely decieve me. Though i merely saw it in the video, i dont know if Megaman actually is programmed to walk up slopes instead of treating them like stairs.
Inaccessible/inverted ones from MM1 Wily 2, slopes treated as square platforms in MM2 Wily 1 (first room, egg-like structure outside that small gap) and actual ones in fangames/hack.

No more.
Title: Re: MM8BDM V2 public opinion poll! - SLOPES!
Post by: MagnetMan497 on May 21, 2011, 09:18:19 PM
Quote from: "LlamaHombre"
ENDITNOWENDITNOW



I'm going to be honest!

The stairs in Shadow Man's stage are a bitch!
But Shadow Man's stage has Sakugarne AND Rush Coil , both counters to stairs.
Title: Re: MM8BDM V2 public opinion poll! - SLOPES!
Post by: NemZ on May 21, 2011, 10:10:53 PM
Again, MM8 and MM&B have slopes.  The X, Zero and ZX games have them as well.  This isn't the end of the frickin' world.

What's more, MM8BDM really ISN'T a platformer and every attempt to make it one just destroys a map's flow, so why this bizarre insistence on limiting a level designer's options?
Title: Re: MM8BDM V2 public opinion poll! - SLOPES!
Post by: SmashTheEchidna on May 21, 2011, 11:35:28 PM
Quote from: "MagnetMan497"
Quote from: "LlamaHombre"
ENDITNOWENDITNOW



I'm going to be honest!

The stairs in Shadow Man's stage are a bitch!
But Shadow Man's stage has Sakugarne AND Rush Coil , both counters to stairs.

Unless you're playing in LMS or something which has no items for you to get. Though you can get Rush Coil, it's a one time use only.
Title: Re: MM8BDM V2 public opinion poll! - SLOPES!
Post by: arkman on May 22, 2011, 03:00:38 AM
I like the stairs... I haven't had any trouble climbing them.

Sometimes the "flow" of a map should be broken up. just to give some breathing room.

the only set of stairs I would like to actually see go is the one in Wind man's stage. And I would just as soon level it as put in a slope.
Title: Re: MM8BDM V2 public opinion poll! - SLOPES!
Post by: Jc494 on May 22, 2011, 07:16:05 AM
We're getting Slopes.

...

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooo *cough cough* ooooooo......
Title: Re: MM8BDM V2 public opinion poll! - SLOPES!
Post by: Kackebango on May 22, 2011, 10:08:04 AM
I will make you pay for what you've done!!!

First, there are no slopes in any official 8-bit Megaman game. Second, the stairs have a purpose. They are a challenge! It's everyone's destiny to CHALLENGE THE STAIRS! Even though jumping up them with a high ping can be a pain in the ass. Where would be all the fun without stairs? All the traditional platforming jumping? Useless. All the advantages/disadvatanges of higher/lower terrain? Not existent.
Stairs are necessary and glorious! And also like I said, they're ugly. Just look at them! This is madness!!!
Title: Re: MM8BDM V2 public opinion poll! - SLOPES!
Post by: Max on May 22, 2011, 10:35:26 AM
Sometimes things like Wind Storms and Bubble Leads can get stuck at the top of slopes... Slopes don't fit here, at all, and I would be really really sad to see them win the poll.
Title: Re: MM8BDM V2 public opinion poll! - SLOPES!
Post by: Balrog on May 22, 2011, 10:55:15 AM
Whatever; they're still horrifyingly ugly and are guaranteed to break floor-based and bouncy weapons.
Title: Re: MM8BDM V2 public opinion poll! - SLOPES!
Post by: TERRORsphere on May 22, 2011, 12:17:57 PM
Quote from: "Kackebango"
I will make you pay for what you've done!!!

First, there are no slopes in any official 8-bit Megaman game. Second, the stairs have a purpose. They are a challenge! It's everyone's destiny to CHALLENGE THE STAIRS! Even though jumping up them with a high ping can be a pain in the ass. Where would be all the fun without stairs? All the traditional platforming jumping? Useless. All the advantages/disadvatanges of higher/lower terrain? Not existent.
Stairs are necessary and glorious! And also like I said, they're ugly. Just look at them! This is madness!!!

Dude, it's only some of the stairs he's replacing with slopes.


Also, What if you put your slopes with your stairs?

(http://imageshack.us/m/202/5589/screenshotdoom201105221.png)

(http://imageshack.us/m/845/5589/screenshotdoom201105221.png)
Title: Re: MM8BDM V2 public opinion poll! - SLOPES!
Post by: LlamaHombre on May 22, 2011, 01:19:07 PM
That looks fucking sexy.
Title: Re: MM8BDM V2 public opinion poll! - SLOPES!
Post by: CutmanMike on May 22, 2011, 03:05:32 PM
Haha I was going to do that EXACT same thing just to shut people up about the "it looks ugly *sobsob*" comments but DTD saved me the hassle.
Title: Re: MM8BDM V2 public opinion poll! - SLOPES!
Post by: CarThief on May 22, 2011, 03:16:58 PM
Pretty much what my post suggested (though i assume they had ideas to do the same/similar idea anyway). I mean, that doesnt look ugly at all. Considering its an entirely different engine there's bound to be differences from the main series anyway.

Also there's still those stairs for those 'hardcore' (fans?) of the series who insist on using stairs. Your decision to slow yourself down now, see how persistent you are to that decision!(Where-ever the stairs allow it that is, i believe Darkman's stairs are SO thin that wont be an option, only visually, maybe.)
Title: Re: MM8BDM V2 public opinion poll! - SLOPES!
Post by: Max on May 22, 2011, 03:22:25 PM
I'm really stubborn. I don't like how the textures are cut off at an angle! It's just not MM8BDM!

 :cry:
Title: Re: MM8BDM V2 public opinion poll! - SLOPES!
Post by: TERRORsphere on May 22, 2011, 04:03:14 PM
Quote from: "Yellow Devil"
I'm really stubborn. I don't like how the textures are cut off at an angle! It's just not MM8BDM!

 :cry:
... Cutmanmike is incharge of what's MM8BDM and what isn't.  :ugeek:  :ugeek:  :ugeek:
Title: Re: MM8BDM V2 public opinion poll! - SLOPES!
Post by: Jc494 on May 22, 2011, 04:46:42 PM
It's pointless having stairs and slopes. Everyone will now use Slopes to get around quicker apart from

Quote from: "Kackebango"
CHALLENGING THE STAIRS
Title: Re: MM8BDM V2 public opinion poll! - SLOPES!
Post by: TERRORsphere on May 22, 2011, 05:07:16 PM
Quote from: "Jack Corvus"
It's pointless having stairs and slopes. Everyone will now use Slopes to get around quicker apart from

Quote from: "Kackebango"
CHALLENGING THE STAIRS
It's decoration, detail w/e.
Title: Re: MM8BDM V2 public opinion poll! - SLOPES!
Post by: NemZ on May 22, 2011, 05:40:43 PM
Ideally slopes will only be used in places where there are currently several tightly-packed stairs without landings or to act as a barrier to ground weapons without making simple walking annoying, such as in the outside section of Napalm Man's stage.  I'm confident that the vast majority of stairs currently in place will stay just as they are.
Title: Re: MM8BDM V2 public opinion poll! - SLOPES!
Post by: LlamaHombre on May 22, 2011, 05:50:25 PM
Ahem.

(http://i53.tinypic.com/2vcde8w.png)

Gentlemen.
Title: Re: MM8BDM V2 public opinion poll! - SLOPES!
Post by: Kenkoru on May 22, 2011, 05:51:41 PM
Quote from: "LlamaHombre"
That looks fucking sexy.
Title: Re: MM8BDM V2 public opinion poll! - SLOPES!
Post by: NemZ on May 22, 2011, 06:15:53 PM
Ramp in the middle is far superior, both in terms of functionality and aesthetics.  The steps on the side are also ideal for placing random little powerups.
Title: Re: MM8BDM V2 public opinion poll! - SLOPES!
Post by: OZX on May 22, 2011, 09:13:53 PM
nice ramps.with stairs, they look a little weird, but still, nice!
Title: Re: MM8BDM V2 public opinion poll! - SLOPES!
Post by: ice on May 22, 2011, 11:56:27 PM
that suddenly reminds me of majora's mask when you had to race the butler, zelda themed fanmap anyone?
Title: Re: MM8BDM V2 public opinion poll! - SLOPES!
Post by: SmashTheEchidna on May 23, 2011, 12:11:59 AM
Quote from: "LlamaHombre"
Ahem.

(http://i53.tinypic.com/2vcde8w.png)

Gentlemen.

Nice idea and all. But I think that the stairs should be on the sides and the slope should be in the center. It seems more natural that way.
Title: Re: MM8BDM V2 public opinion poll! - SLOPES!
Post by: Korby on May 23, 2011, 12:20:33 AM
Plus, if you're going to have slopes that you can walk up, why have stairs that you have to jump up?
Title: Re: MM8BDM V2 public opinion poll! - SLOPES!
Post by: SmashTheEchidna on May 23, 2011, 12:54:30 AM
Figured it was just an attempt to make both sides happy. But with the slopes the stairs are kinda useless.
Title: Re: MM8BDM V2 public opinion poll! - SLOPES!
Post by: SoniaNature on May 23, 2011, 01:46:29 AM
Quote from: "Korby"
Plus, if you're going to have slopes that you can walk up, why have stairs that you have to jump up?

Someone mentioned the possibility of putting extra little items there. I'd assume stuff like small health and ammunition stuff. That way there is a reward if you bother using the stairs portion.

I personally really like the idea of stairs on the sides next to the wall and slopes in the middle.
Title: Re: MM8BDM V2 public opinion poll! - SLOPES!
Post by: SmashTheEchidna on May 23, 2011, 02:41:08 AM
^

That sounds like the best solution. Though let's not overdo it now.
Title: Re: MM8BDM V2 public opinion poll! - SLOPES!
Post by: TERRORsphere on May 23, 2011, 04:20:44 AM
Quote from: "DTDsphere"
It's decoration, detail w/e.
Title: Re: MM8BDM V2 public opinion poll! - SLOPES!
Post by: SmashTheEchidna on May 23, 2011, 05:46:01 AM
Quote from: "DTDsphere"

(http://imageshack.us/m/202/5589/screenshotdoom201105221.png)

(http://imageshack.us/m/845/5589/screenshotdoom201105221.png)

I didn't see this until just now. That's more of what I had in mind, and that is what I would like to see.
Title: Re: MM8BDM V2 public opinion poll! - SLOPES!
Post by: MagnetMan497 on May 23, 2011, 12:21:18 PM
Ugly textures are ugly
Title: Re: MM8BDM V2 public opinion poll! - SLOPES!
Post by: CarThief on May 23, 2011, 01:32:59 PM
The (probaly) main idea of that technique is to not butcher the textures by exposing outer most walls to slopes. Like was said it also makes for a nice place for small items, and if some people insist on using stairs, well, there you go! Atleast they'll get shot in the back while slowly jumping upwards while those going along with the times wont.

Someone even mentioned the existance of slopes in some Megaman games, so hey, they're there! Not like slopes are going to plot and destroy MM8BDM. :P
Title: Re: MM8BDM V2 public opinion poll! - SLOPES!
Post by: Jc494 on May 23, 2011, 03:00:39 PM
Quote from: "Korby"
Plus, if you're going to have slopes that you can walk up, why have stairs that you have to jump up?

My point exactly.
Title: Re: MM8BDM V2 public opinion poll! - SLOPES!
Post by: CarThief on May 23, 2011, 10:16:22 PM
I think people keep missing DTD's point here, its decoration. Of course it can be used for many other things (like that one person's item placement idea), but its there to probaly remove any possible texture butchering compared to as it would have looked without the stairs on the sides. Makes it less bland too.

And if you ask me, i guess having stairs is one way to (atleast partially) satisfy those persistent people. Though i'm going to pick slopes over bad staircases any day. Except if there's a neat little health pellet i really could use on the stairs part...
No idea how thin stairs-filled hallways like Darkman Castle are going to end up though. You can trust Cutman though. (Except with typing things!)
Title: Re: MM8BDM V2 public opinion poll! - SLOPES!
Post by: CutmanMike on May 23, 2011, 11:02:48 PM
Time to deploy slopes and stairs! Thanks for voting


(http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/3223/deployzestairs.png)
Title: Re: MM8BDM V2 public opinion poll! - SLOPES!
Post by: TERRORsphere on May 23, 2011, 11:21:56 PM
Making MM8BDM flow more like DooM :P
Title: Re: MM8BDM V2 public opinion poll! - SLOPES!
Post by: Korby on May 24, 2011, 01:53:54 AM
Well there goes half my strategy.
Title: Re: MM8BDM V2 public opinion poll! - SLOPES!
Post by: SickSadWorld on May 24, 2011, 02:51:55 AM
That "EXIT" item on the left of the screenshot ...

Who wants to bet that item inherits from the Chaos Device  :geek:
Title: Re: MM8BDM V2 public opinion poll! - SLOPES!
Post by: rtist on May 24, 2011, 06:43:14 AM
I didn't vote, but I would have voted against slopes.

Note that a possible middle ground would be to have steps that are low enough to just step up gradually on, without jumping. That would still remove some of the character of the original mega man, though.

The fact that this is a mega man-like game is what gives it its charm; it should be changed as little as possible.
Title: Re: MM8BDM V2 public opinion poll! - SLOPES!
Post by: KillerChair on May 24, 2011, 05:35:40 PM
Im going to laugh my ass off if the people that voted for stairs get powned because of the opponents catching up to them faster ^^

Otherwise... Im pretty much ok with this.
I wonder how many maps will be edited though.
Title: Re: MM8BDM V2 public opinion poll! - SLOPES!
Post by: CarThief on May 25, 2011, 11:19:27 AM
Stairs shouldnt be the main tactic and/or source of kills by poor gameplay implementation. I mean, do the enemies in the Megaman games rush at you as if they're pumped on kamikaze drugs and ready to explode on you or die trieing while moving at top speed!? In here where the enemies are actually that vile and aggressive the least thing we need is being blocked by a poorly implemented map design(bad stairs) in the heat of battle(or running away/restocking).

Well if you ask me: General Gameplay > Accuracy. Having no more bad stairs should be fine. This reminds me of Santa being implemented in GVH... (off-topic old man-like rambling :P)
(click to show/hide)
It will be amusing to see people getting owned indeed if they played those tactics and reasons.
EDIT: Looking forward to a new MM8BDM with slopes/better stairs and whatnot. Perhaps that will revive the european servers, even if just briefly.
Title: Re: MM8BDM V2 public opinion poll! - SLOPES!
Post by: Lancelot on May 25, 2011, 12:16:29 PM
Quote from: "omegazerox12"
brilliant.slopes make life easier. u can escape from zombies a bit faster then usual.
Wrong. The Infecteds just get you easier as well, so you can run up the Slope and the Infected is in Rage Roboenza way faster than you, so you'll get caught.
Title: Re: MM8BDM V2 public opinion poll! - SLOPES!
Post by: Myroc on May 25, 2011, 01:12:29 PM
You know what I hate? All the people who are for/against stairs... because of freaking roboenza. This is a deathmatch matter, people. Don't factor your overplayed mods into this. :|
Title: Re: MM8BDM V2 public opinion poll! - SLOPES!
Post by: Nuy on May 25, 2011, 01:18:38 PM
Quote from: "Myroc"
You know what I hate? All the people who are for/against stairs... because of freaking roboenza. This is a deathmatch matter, people. Don't factor your overplayed mods into this. :|
This~

Anyway, There are many advantages to this every mode due to the extra mobility. The only mode I see actually getting a disadvantage from this is LMS because of the random weapons and EVERYONE having a bounty on your head. Then again I'm the only one who ever even hosts LMS so it's not a big deal.
Title: Re: MM8BDM V2 public opinion poll! - SLOPES!
Post by: ice on May 25, 2011, 05:02:33 PM
another upside to this is that monsters can run up slopes, now the gemini clone can be more useful
Title: Re: MM8BDM V2 public opinion poll! - SLOPES!
Post by: Celebi on May 27, 2011, 02:08:44 AM
Nothing against slopes, prefer stairs we can walk up since some weapons...like Wind Storm...break on slopes.  The main areas that I think need stairs/slopes are as following.

MM1DW1, the small staircase leading to the Crash Bomb and Etank, I'm better off taking the route outside.

MM4TOA, once again a small staircase leading to the upper level, better off with the teleporter.

MM5STO, only one area with stairs here, this route is compact to a point, and a rather hard area to climb normally.

MM5DAR, the bubble weapon areas, please, those routes are just hard to climb.

There are others that could use a better staircase here and there, like Plantman's stage but I feel the above four places kind of need them the most.