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Title: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Magnet Dood on August 09, 2011, 09:30:00 PM
I've scoured through the projects forum plenty of times, and not once have I seen an expansion for this game.

So, I suppose I'll start one! Whoo!

Questions & Answers:
Q: Will you need help with this expansion?

A: Help in any way possible would be greatly appreciated.

Q: How will the weapons work?

A: Not sure. I'm always open to suggestions.

Q: What will be in this expansion?

A: Look below you.

Skins:
Aircon Man- DONE (Megaman)
Kumoso Man- DONE (Star Dood)
Bullet (Dangan) Man- DONE (Star Dood/Lego)
Konro Man- TAKEN (Llamahombre)
Clock Men- DONE (Lego)
Compass Man- DONE (Megaman)
Rockman Shadow- DONE, BUT WAITING FOR PERMISSION (Blaze)
Grey Devil- IN PROGRESS (squidgy617)
Maps:
Grey Devil (Intro Stage)- Not Taken
Aircon Man- Not Taken
Kumoso Man- Not Taken
Bullet Man- Not Taken
Konro Man- Not Taken
Clock Men- TAKEN (I think) (Lego)
Compass Man- Not Taken

Weapons:
Barrier Wind: DONE
Forte Cylone: DONE
Time Bomb: DONE
Time Switch: DONE
Rockman Vulcan: DONE
Forte Vulcan: DONE
Doppler Attack: DONE
Doppel Crash: DONE
Flame Mixer: DONE
Flame Shower: DONE

Props and other stuff:
Suggestions would help!

Items:
Shock Guard: DONE
Weapon Balancer: DONE
Weapon Charger: DONE

Please contribute to this (unfortunately overlooked) game expansion! I'll be working on a few of the skins, most likely Bullet Man and Konro Man. I'm also aware that Megaman made two or three skins.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Ivory on August 09, 2011, 09:49:00 PM
Just to let you know, Megaman has already made Compass Man and Aircon Man skins. You should ask him about using them.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Magnet Dood on August 09, 2011, 09:52:53 PM
I'll see what I can do.
Title: Why
Post by: Kenkoru on August 09, 2011, 09:53:48 PM
Also, Lego has made Clock Men. You should ask him as well about using those.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Magnet Dood on August 09, 2011, 09:55:54 PM
Ooh! Wonderful!

That's nearly half of the skins done already!
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Russel on August 09, 2011, 09:57:07 PM
I WAS WORKING ON THIS BEHIND THE SCENES! YOU ARE RUINING EVERYTHING! THE WORLD IS GOING TO END! WAAAA!!!

Bleh, now that I got that out of my system...I and a few others have already made skins, weapons and bots for this.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: LlamaHombre on August 09, 2011, 09:57:44 PM
Quote from: "Star Dood"
Maps:
Aircon Man
Kumoso Man
Bullet Man
Korno Man
Clock Men
Path to Rockman Shadow?

No Compass Man

inb4 lego

EDIT: or outb4 lego
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Russel on August 09, 2011, 09:58:49 PM
Oh yes, there IS a stage in Rockman and Forte 2 for Compassman, no weapon, however.

EDIT: The weapons in Rockman and Forte 2 are different depending on the character you choose I have made a double-jumping Bass!
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Magnet Dood on August 09, 2011, 10:11:16 PM
You mean you've already made all of them? 0.0

So now this expansion is useless... *cries*
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Russel on August 09, 2011, 10:13:19 PM
No, but I have been working on the weapons, the maps are not done, but a few of the weapons are
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: LlamaHombre on August 09, 2011, 10:15:17 PM
He hasn't started the stage, and I don't believe he's ready map-wise to work on one of the maps.

If I played MMB2 more, I'd make a map for it, but I don't know anything past Rockman Shadow having Burner Man's theme.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Nuy on August 09, 2011, 10:21:25 PM
I can come up with idea's for all the maps besides Aircon's map.. because well, god damn vertical levels.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Magnet Dood on August 09, 2011, 10:23:02 PM
Are all the skins finished, too?

If so, looks like we only need some coders, mappers, and maybe a good texture artist. *hopes Nemz sees this*

Anyway, what would an expansion be without... items!

Weapon Charge: This refills all of your weapons. Make this hard to get.

Shock Guard?: Makes you invulnerable to spikes and instant death hazards. One use only. Perhaps give it a thirty second grace period?

Reggae: Drops a random item. (perhaps we should remove it)

And, if all the skins are finished, I basically can't help. I can't code or make a good map for the life of me.

And, we might also need someone for the music...

EDIT: Thanks, Nuy!
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Gummywormz on August 09, 2011, 10:25:34 PM
Just letting you know, I'm working on shock guard for mega man forever expansion, so that's gonna get done soon. What you can do for reggae, is make it a replacement for eddie like classes does. (Making rush coil / jet, treble boost)
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Magnet Dood on August 09, 2011, 10:27:12 PM
So... make him an Eddie clone?
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Nuy on August 09, 2011, 10:29:09 PM
I'd say more so just make him his own thing but have him give the possibility for all the assists and health and weapon energy. Along with those, full health and weapon recharges. It was my idea for Rush Search for the MM7 Expansion but that got shot down >.>
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Russel on August 09, 2011, 10:29:43 PM
So...

Weapons for both Megaman and Bass versions
Energy Balancer (possibly)
Weapon Charger? - fully(?) recharges all weapons in your inventory (Does this include Health?)
Shock Guard? - Not sure if this is possible
Perhaps we should include the Item present?
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Gummywormz on August 09, 2011, 10:37:34 PM
Shock guard is perfectly possible. I know exactly how to make it work hopefully. What I meant about reggae was, when Bass picks up rush coil or rush jet (forget which) he gets treble boost. So just make bass get reggae when he picks up eddie.

EDIT: May as well ask this here too:

Quote from: "Gummywormz"
If I remember correctly, shock guard takes 50% of your health when you get hit by a spike. Should this behaviour be implemented, or should you not take damage?
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Magnet Dood on August 09, 2011, 10:39:19 PM
For Weapon Charger, it only does weapons.

Also Lego, if you wouldn't mind, could you please inform me which skins are done?

EDIT: No damage, Gummy. Should work just like it is in the game, or MM9. I don't really know how it works in this game.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Russel on August 09, 2011, 10:45:15 PM
Clockmen, Airconman, Compassman, and R-Shadow
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: LlamaHombre on August 09, 2011, 10:47:33 PM
Better list is better.

Clock Man B  -  Lego
Clock Man W  -  Lego
Aircon Man  -  Megaman
Compass Man  -  Megaman
R. Shadow  -  Blaze
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Nuy on August 09, 2011, 10:50:12 PM
Also, Grey Devil Skin + Map PLZ
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Magnet Dood on August 09, 2011, 10:50:39 PM
All right. I'll take Korno Man then.

Mind posting some proof? Like a sheet, or a photo of them in game?
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: LlamaHombre on August 09, 2011, 10:55:10 PM
Mega Man's Custom Skins for Compass Man and Aircon Man (http://cutstuff.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=981)
Lego's Custom Skins for Clock Man B and Clock Man W (http://cutstuff.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=1672&p=36596&hilit=lego#p36596)

Blaze, I have no clue about, but I have his skin.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Russel on August 09, 2011, 10:57:18 PM
But I am working on compiling them already, no need to do that
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Magnet Dood on August 09, 2011, 10:58:09 PM
All right. Thanks for the info.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Magnet Dood on August 10, 2011, 02:59:08 AM
Don't mean to sound curt, but does anyone want to help?

I've already taken Bullet Man *need to update that list* and the only things really lacking right now is maps and textures.

Do I have any takers?
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Blaze Yeager on August 10, 2011, 03:09:44 PM
I'm going to fix up R-Shadow,then i'm gonna take Dangan's Skin...At least i hope no one took it already...

Oh Damn it Star Dood,i was going to start on him!
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Magnet Dood on August 10, 2011, 03:18:09 PM
ROFL

I'm evil like that Blaze. I'm evil like that. I think if you did Kumoso Man, it will help.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Blaze Yeager on August 10, 2011, 03:19:02 PM
Quote from: "Star Dood"
ROFL

I'm evil like that Blaze. I'm evil like that. I think if you did Kumoso Man, it will help.

UGH...I hate him with a passion.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Magnet Dood on August 10, 2011, 03:45:26 PM
Aw...

How could I be unhated? Do you want to work on Bullet Man? I only have a front idle, anyway...
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Russel on August 10, 2011, 07:40:57 PM
Weapon/actor completion

Megaman weapons
Coding 80%
HUDs -- (included in coding)

Bass' Weapons
Coding 40%
HUDs 20%

Weapon Charger done, still need to clear the use of the energy balancer from SickSad World

Also, Screenshots!
(click to show/hide)
This is Doppler Attack, it replaces Noise Crush for testing purposes, and I was not planning on putting in a Bass class, those HUDs mark the fact that it is Bass' version of that weapon
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Magnet Dood on August 10, 2011, 07:44:06 PM
I'm asuming this is one of Kumoso Man's weapons?

Even so, it looks great! Keep it up!
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Russel on August 10, 2011, 07:46:08 PM
This is also the only weapon HUD I have made so far
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Magnet Dood on August 10, 2011, 08:12:08 PM
Question: Will these be seperate weapons, or will they replace some of the actual ones?
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Russel on August 10, 2011, 08:13:36 PM
they will be separate I had it replace Noise Crush for testing, I absolutly hate typing give weapon every single time I want to test
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Gummywormz on August 10, 2011, 08:18:29 PM
Provided things don't blow up, shock guard should be done sometime today.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Magnet Dood on August 10, 2011, 08:28:26 PM
Good to know! Thanks Gummy!

Mind taking some weapons, if that's not a problem? (unless Lego has completed all of em)
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Russel on August 10, 2011, 08:52:00 PM
I will do them all, if you don't mind
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Magnet Dood on August 10, 2011, 09:02:19 PM
Oh. Yeah, yeah, go ahead.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Flashbang on August 10, 2011, 10:04:41 PM
Quote from: "Star Dood"
Skins:

Korno Man- Not Taken
Maps:
Korno Man- Not Taken

Please contribute to this (unfortunately overlooked) game expansion! I'll be working on a few of the skins, most likely Bullet Man and Korno Man. I'm also aware that Celebi made two or three skins.

Sigh... His name is Konro Man, not Korno.
megaman.wikia.com/wiki/Konro_Man
(Sorry, just bein OCD...)
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Magnet Dood on August 10, 2011, 10:13:04 PM
Whoops. I'll fix Korn-Konro Man's name later.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Nuy on August 10, 2011, 10:13:46 PM
While were at it, its Dangan, not Danran.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Magnet Dood on August 10, 2011, 10:16:42 PM
Dang! I'm terrible at this stuff!
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Russel on August 11, 2011, 01:39:51 AM
The red, bowl-shaped one is Stoveman/Konroman
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: LlamaHombre on August 11, 2011, 01:41:12 AM
I call Konro Man, then.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Magnet Dood on August 11, 2011, 01:45:22 AM
I got Dangan Man.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Russel on August 11, 2011, 01:49:23 AM
I have one question, could I put in my version of Noise Crush? The changes I made were it now comes staright back to you, no matter which angle it hits walls.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Nuy on August 11, 2011, 01:51:12 AM
It'd be cooler if it bounced off of a wall 3 times before it got destroyed.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Russel on August 11, 2011, 02:20:07 AM
...No. I am not making that. It would be more like Gemini Laser.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Magnet Dood on August 11, 2011, 01:22:37 PM
Well, um... I don't know. Seems a little weird to be putting that in even though it didn't appear in this game...

If you want to include it as an easter egg of sorts, fine. Just focus on the actual weapons first.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Korby on August 11, 2011, 06:08:29 PM
I don't think it's such a good idea.

First of all, I actually use Noise Crush's bouncing in battle, so it returning to me is weird.

Second of all, I'm actually decent at catching it to charge, and so are a lot of people, so this seems kind of pointless.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Shade Guy on August 12, 2011, 07:35:05 AM
Of course, Noise Crush is incredibly easy to rebound if you have Opengl.

Step 1: Aim down. Step 2: Jump. Step 3: Shoot.

Insta-80 damage weapon at your disposal.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Nuy on August 12, 2011, 07:43:58 AM
Or, aim down, keep running, shoot, instant charge =
For some reason, I'm like, the only one who knows how to do this. Works in software mode too.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Magnet Dood on August 12, 2011, 02:21:09 PM
I think we're starting to stray off topic folks.

Kumoso Man and Grey Devil are the last skins that we need. Can somebody do them? (why would we do Grey Devil if he's going to be blue and cyan :V)
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: LlamaHombre on August 12, 2011, 02:23:28 PM
Grey Devil is essentially Squidgy's first version of Yellow Devil.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Magnet Dood on August 14, 2011, 03:44:16 PM
This expansion seems to be slipping into bump-worthiness, so bump.

Dangan Man's front is finished, and I think I know what to do for the other poses.

What about you guys?
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: LlamaHombre on August 14, 2011, 03:46:32 PM
FFFFFFF Real Life hasn't given me a chance to work on Konro Man.

If I can, I'll work on it today.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Russel on August 14, 2011, 04:20:52 PM
Moar weapons!

Energy Balancer has been cleared for use for this.
Weapon Charger is done.

All the Megaman weapons are done.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Magnet Dood on August 14, 2011, 05:38:45 PM
Wow! Thanks, Lego! I'll put them down as finished.

Uh... which ones were the Mega Man ones? I forgot which one Mega Man has for Dangan and Konro...
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Russel on August 14, 2011, 06:21:25 PM
Time Switch With help from Megaman
Mega Vulcan With help from Megaman
Barrier Wind With help from Megaman
Flame Shower
Dopple Crash With help from Megaman

Bass Vulcan
Doppler Attack
Flame Mixer

are all done (save some sprites and balances)
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Gummywormz on August 14, 2011, 06:50:38 PM
Sorry for the delay, I've been busy these past few days.

Anyway, your version of shock guard is almost done. I just gotta figure out one minor HUD thing. I'm going to release the non damaging and damaging version in a pack.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Magnet Dood on August 14, 2011, 07:42:07 PM
All right. I'll put them down.

In the meantime, who would like to try a map? *gets shot*
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Gummywormz on August 14, 2011, 09:03:48 PM
Shock Guard is done. (http://cutstuff.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=2341)
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Jc494 on August 15, 2011, 10:00:45 AM
Quote from: "Star Dood"
All right. I'll put them down.

In the meantime, who would like to try a map? *gets shot*

Me but I never played Rockman & Forte 2 *shot*
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Magnet Dood on August 15, 2011, 12:56:04 PM
Not suprised. I haven't either.

Can't you watch a youtube video of the game?
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Magnet Dood on August 15, 2011, 03:47:01 PM
WE NEED YOU

Now looking for experienced mappers! None of the stages have been claimed, so we have a bit of a problem...

The easiest to do would be Grey Devil's stage, considering it's a city. You'd probably only have to make small to medium sized.

Hardest would be Aircon Man's because it's a vertical level. *shudders*

Most of the textures are recycled from MM&B. Or MM8, I forgot. Plus, all the music from the game is from MM&B, just remixed. I.E.: Aircon=Cold

If you need inspiration, perhaps looking at some youtube videos of the game will help.

WE NEED YOU
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Nuy on August 15, 2011, 06:18:52 PM
I played and beat it. Its fun untill you realize playing with Bass is a BAD idea.
Edit: I can give stage LAYOUTS, but someone will have to actually make the stage.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Gummywormz on August 15, 2011, 06:27:12 PM
I might make a stage if someone gives a layout.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Magnet Dood on August 15, 2011, 07:48:16 PM
Nice. We'd need some right now.

Also, should we use the original music?

EDIT: Dangan Man. Mainly wondering about the front and the colors.

(http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/7655/bulletman.png) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/220/bulletman.png/)
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Russel on August 15, 2011, 08:31:32 PM
Looks good, just keep the arms at the same hieght at all times
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Magnet Dood on August 15, 2011, 08:32:49 PM
*Facepalm* Should've seen that.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Russel on August 15, 2011, 10:28:55 PM
TimeBomb is almost done, that makes 1 left, but...we should not recycle everything from Megaman and Bass. It would be better if we made custom tiles and themes for these masters instead of just ripping off the Megaman and Bass expansion.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Magnet Dood on August 15, 2011, 10:45:33 PM
Well, I'm gonna need help if we need to make all new music and all new textures.

Red said he could help map if he got some textures, but... yeah.

Anyone here a good texture artist?
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Korby on August 16, 2011, 03:05:34 AM
You could always ask NemZ! He was very very helpful over at MMB!
Though I don't know if he's busy at the moment.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Magnet Dood on August 16, 2011, 03:16:19 AM
Already asked. Said he's busy with moving and other projects.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: NemZ on August 16, 2011, 05:44:08 AM
Yes, I'm moving this week so things are rather hectic.  When I get more time I'll finish up the special request from Blaze which is already in progress.  Myroc also previously asked me to make new tilesets to replace the old ones currently being used in the powered up pak.  Your request is in line after that.  Also keep in mind that all of this of course has to be done in my free time and my work schedule (I freelance) looks to be significantly busier in the coming months than it's been most of this Summer when I was cranking out a new set every few days.

TL/DR:  It's going to be a bit of a wait if you want me to do it.  No hard feelings if you'd rather get things rolling sooner with someone else.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Korby on August 16, 2011, 07:14:14 AM
Hope your move goes well, NemZ!
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Magnet Dood on August 16, 2011, 12:57:07 PM
The thing I'm worried about is that I haven't seen him do custom tiles. I'm not doubting him at all. I'm just a little wary, considering he has to make 7 tilesets that must be completely original and look good, too.

Unless he made all those tiles for MM&B from scratch. Then I trust he can do this.

On a related note, I contacted Musashi last night. I know he can make good Famitracks, so I was wondering if he could help.

Also, bots. Anyone want to help with bots? I've never really been good with that stuff...

Never realized how much stuff could be in an expansion. :shocked:
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Russel on August 16, 2011, 05:55:38 PM
Look at his tilesets here (http://www.cutstuff.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=2703)
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Magnet Dood on August 16, 2011, 07:20:53 PM
Ooh... Never mind. I completely trust him now.

Though I might need another texture artist, considering how busy he is.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Magnet Dood on August 16, 2011, 09:59:08 PM
Going to add a poll. Please vote.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: LlamaHombre on August 16, 2011, 10:53:22 PM
I say no, the heart of the game's Deathmatch and LMS.

If you make any map a CTF map, it immediatly gets less attention than it should unless the WHOLE PACK is geared towards CTF.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Russel on August 17, 2011, 02:32:11 AM
Oh hey look, another bump
(click to show/hide)

Do I win yet?
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Magnet Dood on August 17, 2011, 03:28:04 AM
Not yet: I don't see Aircon Man's weapons. :/
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Russel on August 17, 2011, 03:59:03 AM
Bass/Forte Cyclone and Dopple Crash are not in the picture, but BarrierWind is,on the left, second from the bottom
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Magnet Dood on August 17, 2011, 04:10:26 AM
I see.

Very good work, Lego! Thanks for helping! maybe you can try a map now!
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Magnet Dood on August 17, 2011, 08:44:45 PM
Quick Update: Dangan Man is all ready to go. I'll post the sheet ASAP.

Llama, how is Konro Man?

inb4 no progress
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: LlamaHombre on August 17, 2011, 08:46:27 PM
running away now
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Magnet Dood on August 18, 2011, 12:55:23 AM
Dangit Llama! You promised you'd work on him! To your bedroom young man! No dessert tonight!

Bah, whatever. I guess I'll start on Komuso Man. Even though I really don't want to... :/
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Russel on August 18, 2011, 06:06:02 AM
I started on a head of him...but...

Whatever...good news and bad news...I have finished the weapons
But...A lot of elipses, huh? they create an issue.

(click to show/hide)

I sent the weapons to Mega and he had the same issue.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Magnet Dood on August 18, 2011, 01:38:06 PM
Uh... I don't understand any of that...

Does it mean that you can't use them at all?

Also, you said you started on Komuso Man. Well, if you have, then keep doing him. I guess I'll try Grey Devil. Though I am a tad busy with trying to finish some of the PC bots for the DOS expansion...
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Gummywormz on August 18, 2011, 02:15:10 PM
It basically means you can't put them in maps otherwise things will asplode. I could take a look at them too if you want.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Russel on August 18, 2011, 06:01:58 PM
Well, you can't use the weapons or items in doom Builder as a resource. Which mean you can't test the map and have the weapons there. I might be using an outdated Microsoft.NET framework...but there is no real way to tell.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Gummywormz on August 18, 2011, 06:12:09 PM
Works fine with shock guard for me. Make sure your DoomEd numbers aren't conflicting / replacing anything. Also try clicking continue on the error box if possible. DB is sorta weird like that.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Russel on August 18, 2011, 06:55:27 PM
My DECORATE, ACS, and everything else is fine

there ARE conflicting DoomEds, though, on the spikes, if you add the shock guard as a resource, suddenly, you can't place spikes in maps
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Magnet Dood on August 19, 2011, 07:30:38 PM
Boink:
(http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/7655/bulletman.png) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/695/bulletman.png/)

How is it?
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Russel on August 19, 2011, 08:13:37 PM
Back frame kind of needs a wider thruster. Also back/r needs to have the arm moved to the left a bit
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Magnet Dood on August 19, 2011, 08:30:30 PM
Don't you mean taller?

I think the back-R needs its thruster to be smaller.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Russel on August 19, 2011, 09:02:12 PM
Ok, at least make the back thruster more round
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Korby on August 20, 2011, 04:02:07 AM
I personally think the flame sizes are fine.
His hands are on backwards in Back/R and Back.
The hole in the bullet on the back frames does not line up with the back/r, and possibly front/r.
The entire bullet is up one pixel on both the front and back.
The shine on the back/r makes it seem like his body is facing a different direction, and he's not very round when moving.
His arms and legs seem cluttered with the greys. Perhaps just use one shade-or if you can't get that to look good, perhaps make them blue and cyan- even if they're supposed to resemble chambers.

Don't feel bad about the height variations, that's probably one of the hardest things of making a skin, other than Back/R.

I apologize for my snoody behavior. I blame movies.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Magnet Dood on August 20, 2011, 04:13:57 AM
Quote from: "Korby"
I personally think the flame sizes are fine.
His hands are on backwards in Back/R and Back.
OK, will fix that.
The hole in the bullet on the back frames does not line up with the back/r, and possibly front/r.
I knew this was a major problem...
The entire bullet is up one pixel on both the front and back.
Really? Might just be a sucky part on my part on lining it up...
The shine on the back/r makes it seem like his body is facing a different direction, and he's not very round when moving.
First problem, OK. Second, not sure how I'd fix it...
His arms and legs seem cluttered with the greys. Perhaps just use one shade-or if you can't get that to look good, perhaps make them blue and cyan- even if they're supposed to resemble chambers.
I kinda like the way they look, actually.

Don't feel bad about the height variations, that's probably one of the hardest things of making a skin, other than Back/R.
Mkay.

I apologize for my snoody behavior. I blame movies.
*blames movies*
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Atticus on August 20, 2011, 06:01:34 AM
If it hasn't been done yet, I can loop the music if it's provided
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Russel on August 20, 2011, 02:07:58 PM
We might have 1 song...that came looped, so...maybe you can if we get some more?

Also, StarDood I can try to help you with things that are hard for you to fix and/or you can't fix.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Magnet Dood on August 20, 2011, 06:00:12 PM
What do you mean we recieved a song? I don't remember seeing it.

I got some of the problems, Lego, but the only one I'm stumped on is how he'll be more fluid in turning. I'l post the updated sheet later.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Russel on August 20, 2011, 09:19:55 PM
I found a fitting song for Clockmen Is it a bad thing I found it in CatPlanet?


I am a Clockman.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Magnet Dood on August 20, 2011, 10:22:29 PM
Good song. I'll use that.

Also, does this look any better for Dangan?

(http://img855.imageshack.us/img855/7655/bulletman.png) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/855/bulletman.png/)
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Russel on August 20, 2011, 11:35:40 PM
For the most part, it is, the back/r still looks a bit like another variation of the side, though...Did I mention I am a Clockman?Also the thruster/hole still needs to be a bit more round on the back sprite.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Magnet Dood on August 21, 2011, 05:51:05 PM
It's pretty ovalish in the back-right, so that means I'd have to change that too. I was sort of basing it off of an actual bullet hole, which looks like this.

Also, I can see on the moving frames for the back-right and side, but I think that's a little minor.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: LlamaHombre on August 21, 2011, 09:36:22 PM
Hi

I've returned from a four day camping trip. Tomorrow's monday, and school starts on Wednesday.

I don't get my computer as often on the weekdays once school starts.

I can get it done either tomorrow or this weekend.

I promised I'd do him, I will get him done!

Can I leave my room now?
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Magnet Dood on August 21, 2011, 10:52:48 PM
*unlocks door to room

Good to know! All that's left in the skin department is Grey Devil. I've already got Komuso under control. That only leaves us with music, bots, and maps/tiles. I'll finish Komuso Man eventually, have to finish up Dynamo Man, Neptune, and Oil Man first for MM&B, MMV, and MMPC, respectively.

then I can try to make some tiles
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: LlamaHombre on August 21, 2011, 10:54:18 PM
Quote from: "LlamaHombre"
Grey Devil is essentially Squidgy's first version of Yellow Devil.

Did you read this post?
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Magnet Dood on August 21, 2011, 10:59:57 PM
I have a few concerns using that one.

Grey Devil's eye is different from other Devils. His actually looks like a human eye.

Grey Devil is also fairly small compared to other devils.

We also need to recieve permission from someone who almost never goes on.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Korby on August 22, 2011, 12:18:35 AM
Just send him a PM askin' him to convert it to GD. Should be simple.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Magnet Dood on August 22, 2011, 06:17:44 PM
Who? Sqidguy?
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: LlamaHombre on August 22, 2011, 06:24:58 PM
Yes, Squidgy.

Working on Konro Man now.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Magnet Dood on August 22, 2011, 08:02:08 PM
Quote from: "Star Dood"
We also need to recieve permission from someone who almost never goes on.

:/
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: LlamaHombre on August 22, 2011, 08:03:57 PM
(http://i51.tinypic.com/24y7jig.png)

Credit to Mega for his right hand and stove

Credit to me for everything else except the spritesheet to the right
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Magnet Dood on August 22, 2011, 08:07:48 PM
Good work. I like it so far.

Just try to make his top a little rounder on the front sprite. He seems a tad... squarish.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Korby on August 22, 2011, 11:32:05 PM
PM him anyway, Star. He'll answer eventually.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Magnet Dood on August 22, 2011, 11:37:51 PM
All right, I'll see if he can...
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: squidgy617 on August 23, 2011, 01:48:06 AM
Actually, you guys would be surprised how often I'm on. I just don't post too often and I rarely make skins because at this point the few skins I'm working on I have to balance between work, school, and laziness, and they are more complicated then other skins.

Long explanation aside, I've already answered in PM, but yes, I can turn YD into GD, and I give you permission to use it. Of course, if you guys would rather update it into GD, you can, as school starts for me tomorrow, and its gonna be crazy for a while. Still, I should have time to slap a new eye on.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Magnet Dood on August 23, 2011, 03:12:18 AM
Please do.

I'm basically running this expansion and posting my work when Family Safety filter is down, so it coud take until the weekend until I can get the sheet, and then another weekend to post it. :P
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Magnet Dood on August 27, 2011, 12:57:28 AM
Bump

(http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/6091/komusoskin.png) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/534/komusoskin.png/)

Progress
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: LlamaHombre on August 27, 2011, 12:58:20 AM
He looks a bit thick on the Front and Back frames to me.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Magnet Dood on August 27, 2011, 01:01:29 AM
I really don't know how it would look any better if it was changed. The eyes would be way too small if it was thinner. :/
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Russel on August 27, 2011, 02:45:20 AM
Ok, so I started to change some things on Bulletman.
(http://img855.imageshack.us/img855/2461/bulletmanv.png)
Look at many of the details that we asked you to fix previously and look at this version.

Also, I may try my hand at mapping Clockmen.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: ice on August 27, 2011, 04:13:47 AM
the arms on the back R rotations on the fireing 2 frame looks odd, in all of them, his arms go up, in that one, his arms go back, also in the back fireing ones, his hands look like they're backwards, other than that' it's getting there
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Magnet Dood on August 27, 2011, 02:01:39 PM
Looks good to me.

I could've sworn I fixed his arms last time. :/
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Magnet Dood on August 27, 2011, 03:13:47 PM
Thinned out Komuso's side pose and attempted the hated back right:
(http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/6091/komusoskin.png) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/6/komusoskin.png/)

Yeah, I think the B-R looks terrible too.

Edit: Just realized the legs are backwards. XD Can someone fix em for me? Paint is being screwy.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Magnet Dood on August 30, 2011, 12:29:00 AM
Just gonna give this a micro-bump.

So, I assume that Dangan Man is finished. That leaves me (komuso) Llama (konro) and sqidguy (grey devil) with the last skins. Good.

While waiting for Nemz to finish moving, we could whip up some bots and botchats.

Here's mine for Aircon:

Intro:
Time to beat the heat!
Feel the chill of 15 degrees air!
Need to be refreshed?

Frag Strings:
Hey, man, no hard feelings.
Relax, man. All that running away from me made you easy prey!
Chill out, it's one frag!

Fragged:
Hey! You ripped my fans!
What, you don't like me in the winter?
Wait, you want to be WARM?

RareRoaming Strings:
I get it! I'm a rehash of Air Man! Stop saying it!
/me chills out with a glass of iced tea

Roaming Strings:
Just chill, brother. There's no rush.
Ah, what a nice breeze...
Why have one fan when you can have... THREE!
Wonder where Chill Man is.

Enraged Strings:
If you don't like me, then hang out with that jerk Konro Man!
Why so serious? It's just one match!
Stay lax, man, stay lax...

Win Strings:
Hey, I won. Cool.
Summer heat has been successfully cast away!

Lose Strings:
Oh, well. There's always next match.
Argh, my fans! They're all ripped!
Now I'm clogged! Stupid birds!

Roll Comment:
Mind seeing me over the summer, Aircon Man?
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Russel on August 30, 2011, 12:48:03 AM
We already have bots for the skins that are done...
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Magnet Dood on August 30, 2011, 01:12:20 AM
/shakes fist

Do you have a bot for Dangan?
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Russel on August 30, 2011, 02:25:48 AM
We have bots for the skins that were done, we have done a bit more work on the Clockmen because of my new alias, and my ability to come up with clever, time-related puns.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Magnet Dood on August 30, 2011, 02:37:02 AM
So wait a sec. Do we have 9 skins, or 8?

I don't remember if the two Clock Men are together. Also, do we have a bot for Dangan Man, or is he not completely done yet?

Also, did you already think of botchats for all of them?
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Russel on August 30, 2011, 12:29:11 PM
Quote from: "Lego"
We have bots for the skins that were done.
We already have bots for the skins that Mega, Blaze and I did for this expansion before it even existed, I was going to start it, but you did so before I got the chance...but I digress.
The bots were made by Megaman on here, yes, he actually goes by Megaman.
If you need a list of the bots we have, I spoilered it
(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Magnet Dood on August 30, 2011, 08:27:56 PM
Ok. Thanks. How about this?

Dangan Man bot
Intro Strings:
Vroom! I'm here!
As fast as a speeding bullet, I'm Bullet Man!
Level 50 3 prestige Bullet Man, ready to take on some noobs!


Frag Strings:
Boom, headshot!
Haven't you ever heard of ducking?
Double Kill!
These bullets are faster then you thought!

Fragged Strings:
Overkill!
That death was oozing with irony...
My casing! It's ruined!
I knew I should've been quicker on the draw...

Rare Roaming Strings:
UN-FRIGGIN-BELIEVABLE!

Roaming Strings:
I guess the shooter was way off target...
Why are nearly all of us weak to Doppler Attack?
I think I'm going too fast... I can't find any of you!
There won't be much left when I find you!
I'm gonna need 15 more frags for a Tactical Nuke! Show me where you are!
How am I even moving if I wasn't fired from a gun?

Enraged Strings:
Must... kill... faster!
These weapons are useless! I can kill you just by touching you!
That gun's range is pitiful!

Demoralized Strings:
Stupid Flak Jacket perk...

Win Strings:
All right, maybe my Attack Dogs had a little something to do with it...
Domination!
Wars are won by weapons, like me!

Lose Strings:
Bullet-proof armor is for sissies!
You got lucky with that Attack Helicopter, that's all!
I can't believe that Care Package had a Rolling Thunder in it...
Damn campers!

Roll Comment:
Ready to bust some bots, Bullet Man?
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Magnet Dood on September 01, 2011, 09:48:38 PM
UPDATE

I finished Komuso Man. I'll post the sheet ASAP.

Also updated the list.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Hallan Parva on September 01, 2011, 09:57:29 PM
He should say "UN-FRIGGIN-BELIEVABLE!" at one point. :cool:
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Korby on September 01, 2011, 10:00:00 PM
I fail to see how that makes any sense in the slightest.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Magnet Dood on September 01, 2011, 10:08:04 PM
Quote from: "Korby"
I fail to see how that makes any sense in the slightest.

So... my botchat is bad?

Botchats have never been my forte anyway.

friggin puns

His botchat is heavily based on Black Ops/Mordern Warfare 2. :geek:
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Tails on September 01, 2011, 10:10:36 PM
No, I'm assuming he means the "UN-FRIGGIN BELIEVABLE".
I liked your botchat, actually.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Hallan Parva on September 01, 2011, 10:15:53 PM


1:18, dudes.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Magnet Dood on September 01, 2011, 11:42:19 PM
Tada:

(http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/6091/komusoskin.png) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/687/komusoskin.png/)

How does the finished project look?

Saw it, Smashbro. I MUST PUT THAT IN
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Magnet Dood on September 02, 2011, 03:21:59 AM
Another post. Think I found a good theme for Aircon Man.



Ah, Kevvviiinnn always makes great stuff.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: OZX on September 02, 2011, 03:27:50 AM
I didn't even know there WAS a rockman and forte 2 till a long time ago.

I know it's a bit late but, good luck on this project.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Magnet Dood on September 02, 2011, 03:40:14 AM
Thanks. You'll be able to see what this game has to offer when we're finished.

Luckily it's coming along quite nicely.  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: OZX on September 02, 2011, 03:45:39 AM
I personally have high hopes for this because i loved mega man and bass 1.

Can i hear the boss music?i need to hear it.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Russel on September 02, 2011, 04:36:23 PM
Rockman and Forte 2, the original seemed quickly put together, it had only 6 masters, 5 of which gave weapons, and all the music was reused from Megaman and Bass, just in a different soundfont. It looks like Capcom came up to Hasbro and said: "Hey make a game! Use these characters and this storyline, we'll pay you!"
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Magnet Dood on September 02, 2011, 04:44:28 PM
Can't really argue with you there. Still, they are pretty cool.

How does Komuso look? And how does my suggested Aircon Man theme sound?
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Russel on September 02, 2011, 08:41:10 PM
I like the theme you showed for Airconman, it certainly fits...but as much as I dislike saying this...Kevvviiinnn is a bit overused.

Also...

Remember when I helped out with your Bulletman a few days ago?

Megaman and I have improved your first posted Komusoman
It needs a LOT of work...That pain sprite is not a pain sprite, Mega said it was a JUMPING sprite...Sorry if this insults you, I know you worked hard on this, but that skin doesn't look right at all.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Magnet Dood on September 02, 2011, 10:05:59 PM
Well, Kevvviiinnn is one of the only really good 8-bit composers I know of. At least we wouldn't have to go through the rigamarole of asking him if we could use it.

And about Komuso, I really don't mind. My work quality has been severely dropping lately.

If you can fix him, fine. (I hope he doesn't get rid of that symbol on the back)

Ever get that Doom problem solved?
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Russel on September 02, 2011, 10:17:08 PM
No, but you can list the DoomEd numbers on the front page for mappers...
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Magnet Dood on September 03, 2011, 02:58:35 AM
I just think we should keep on using Kevvviiinnn's music. Unless someone would like to make some songs for us.

Like this one for Komuso:

Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Korby on September 03, 2011, 03:12:39 AM
I think that one's been used, actually.

Also, there's always Baiisilisk.

He has free songs too.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Magnet Dood on September 03, 2011, 03:16:34 AM
For which map?

Was it custom or official?
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Ivory on September 03, 2011, 03:17:22 AM
It has, IX-Pack IDM19 uses it.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Magnet Dood on September 03, 2011, 03:20:21 AM
*slams fist on desk*

Hmm... I looked through Baisilliik's songs, and I liked Track 6. Could be used for Dangan or Konro, but most likely Dangan.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Gummywormz on September 03, 2011, 03:20:50 AM
Here's a bunch of 8 bit composers, have fun:

http://www.youtube.com/user/OmegaManZX (http://www.youtube.com/user/OmegaManZX)
http://www.youtube.com/user/BlazingChiptunes (http://www.youtube.com/user/BlazingChiptunes)
http://www.youtube.com/user/BWIceSoldier (http://www.youtube.com/user/BWIceSoldier)
http://www.youtube.com/user/CodeLimit (http://www.youtube.com/user/CodeLimit)
http://www.youtube.com/user/commandycan (http://www.youtube.com/user/commandycan)
http://www.youtube.com/user/GamingCakes (http://www.youtube.com/user/GamingCakes)
http://www.youtube.com/user/HertzDevil (http://www.youtube.com/user/HertzDevil)
http://www.youtube.com/user/InterrobangPie (http://www.youtube.com/user/InterrobangPie)
http://www.youtube.com/user/Mistergambit (http://www.youtube.com/user/Mistergambit)
http://www.youtube.com/user/MusashiAA (http://www.youtube.com/user/MusashiAA)
http://www.youtube.com/user/psn8bit (http://www.youtube.com/user/psn8bit)
http://www.youtube.com/user/RushJet1 (http://www.youtube.com/user/RushJet1)
http://www.youtube.com/user/squarewave9 (http://www.youtube.com/user/squarewave9)
http://www.youtube.com/user/ZeroJanitor (http://www.youtube.com/user/ZeroJanitor)
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Magnet Dood on September 03, 2011, 03:34:30 AM
Compass Man's theme?

Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: MusashiAA on September 03, 2011, 03:38:35 AM
Why do they have to be original compositions?
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Magnet Dood on September 03, 2011, 03:39:18 AM
Every song used in the original game were GB remixes of MM&B's tunes.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: MusashiAA on September 03, 2011, 03:40:16 AM
Well, then use those GB remixes.

Again,why do they have to be original compositions?
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Nuy on September 03, 2011, 04:06:08 AM
Because Korby is already doing an expansion for RM&F. It would be really boring to have the same music for both expansions.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: MusashiAA on September 03, 2011, 04:29:21 AM
Then use non-MM&B songs. Hell, you could use non-MM songs, or non-Capcom songs. Or 8-bit covers of non-8bit songs.

But again, why do they have to be original compositions?
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Magnet Dood on September 03, 2011, 03:31:32 PM
Original compositions are fun to use. at least I like them anyway

I was thinking of having an 8-bit version of Olivine City's theme as Komuso's, but I'm still debating it...
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: WheelieCarbonate on September 03, 2011, 03:38:50 PM
Quote from: "Star Dood"
Original compositions are fun to use. at least I like them anyway

I was thinking of having an 8-bit version of Olivine City's theme as Komuso's, but I'm still debating it...
I like your idea.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Magnet Dood on September 03, 2011, 03:48:44 PM
We could also use an 8-bit version of Azela Town. I'm leaning more torward this option, cuz it's a little more cheerful and upeat.

We'll probably use Olivine, though. I can't imagine not laughing fragging a ton of people while Azela Town's theme is playing. XD
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: xColdxFusionx on September 03, 2011, 03:55:49 PM
There's 8-bit remixes of Olivine and Azalea out there.

They're called the original game music.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Magnet Dood on September 03, 2011, 04:06:11 PM
No, those are Gameboy editions. They're 4-bit, like the Mega Man GB games and R&F2.

BWIceSoldier made a true 8-bit version of the songs. We will most likely use those ones.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: xColdxFusionx on September 03, 2011, 04:10:58 PM
Quote from: "Star Dood"
No, those are Gameboy editions. They're 4-bit, like the Mega Man GB games and R&F2.

BWIceSoldier made a true 8-bit version of the songs. We will most likely use those ones.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA no

The GameBoy's sound chip was only one or two waves off from the NES sound chip. It's definitely 8-bit.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Hallan Parva on September 03, 2011, 05:07:18 PM
Quote from: "Korby"
It's true 8-bit, it just uses GBC channels, AKA Sawtooth. It's not what the NES uses, but that's alright.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Magnet Dood on September 03, 2011, 05:11:41 PM
Well, excuuuuuuse me, Coldfusion. If it's one or two soundwaves off, then we'll make it one or two soundwaves on.

I'd rather be on the safe side and use a faithful 8-bit version made in Famitracker (IceSoldier's) as opposed to a 'probably' 8-bit theme that is not exactly faithful to Mega Man music.

That being said, I'm not holding anything against Sawtooth. I'd rather just be completely sure we're using the right program.

On a fairly unrelated note, weren't all the Classic Mega Man themes made in Famitracker?
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Russel on September 03, 2011, 06:25:09 PM
My suggested music:

Airconman - Ice Cap Zone (Sonic 3)
Komusoman - Sammer Kingdom (Super Paper Mario)
Clockmen - Lava Caves (CatPlanet)

that's all I got...

And the Classic songs were REmade in Famitracker
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: xColdxFusionx on September 03, 2011, 06:28:59 PM
Quote from: "Star Dood"
On a fairly unrelated note, weren't all the Classic Mega Man themes made in Famitracker?

>implying Famitracker existed in the 80's/90's
From what I can find, Famitracker was made somewhere in the early 2000's. I can't find an exact date, though.

Famitracker is just a program designed to mimic the NES's 2A03 soundchip. It is not what actual NES composers used. Please double-check your facts so that you don't sound like you have no clue what you're talking about...

Sorry if that sounded a bit harsh. I'll stop posting for a bit to calm down.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Magnet Dood on September 03, 2011, 07:26:23 PM
Oh... I'm sorry, then... *sadface*

Lego, to tell the truth, I only heard your suggestion for Clockmen. I've never heard the others.

I wish we could use Azeala Town/Olivine City for Komuso. They sound like they would fit.

Also, what is your opinion on using original compositions? I was hoping to use Baisiiliik's Track #6 for Bullet Man, but I'm not too sure if everyone would like it.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Russel on September 03, 2011, 07:35:37 PM
I thought I'd mention the ones I would like to see going into this... the only remix I could find of Sammer Kingdom was was GXSCC. But I did find a good one for Ice Cap zone, Also a Mario Paint Composer version of Sammer Kingdom:





EDIT: WHY THE F*** MUST EVERYTHING BE THE SORRY EXCUSE FOR AN 8-BIT ARRANGER GXSCC!?
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: xColdxFusionx on September 03, 2011, 07:39:22 PM
Quote from: "Lego"

DAT GXSCC
I'd recognize that "soundfont" from anywhere. Glad to see you're trying to filter out the GXSCC stuff, but that version won't do.

I'll keep my eye out for any 8-Bit stuff that might fit this pack.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: CHAOS_FANTAZY on September 03, 2011, 07:49:54 PM
Quote from: "xColdxFusionx"
I'll keep my eye out for any 8-Bit stuff that might fit this pack.
You mean like the SONIC MUSIC PACK WE ALREADY HAVE?
Seriously, everyone overlooks it!  *Bashes head on desk repeatedly*
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Magnet Dood on September 05, 2011, 02:00:20 PM
Bump.

We need pictures.

Pictures of Konro and Komuso Man.

Oh, right, in case I don't forget...

The_Broker made some awesome botchats for Konro and Komuso. I'll share them with the skinners later.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Russel on September 05, 2011, 03:02:08 PM
/me raises his hand

Yea, I am going to need those...

Why do we need pictures? The closest thing we are ging to get is fan art.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Magnet Dood on September 05, 2011, 03:39:14 PM
Pictures of the sprite sheets so far, dummy.

As in the progress on the skins?
Title: We're still here!
Post by: Magnet Dood on September 12, 2011, 01:31:43 AM
Bump

Mkay. I've reviewed the music choices, and the only one I like is Clock Men's. The Sammer Kingdom sounds fit for Yamato, but not really Komuso. I was looking for a more peaceful forest type song, which is why I put forward Azelea Town/Olivine City.

As for Aircon's, I was hoping it to be more like Cold Man's theme: sad, with a quick tempo. Really, the theme you put forward is kind of slow and unexciting...

My theme was a bit too happy, though, so I can't really argue to use mine. If MMCTF04 didn't use the song it's using, I would've jumped for it.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2: I'M LOOKIN AT YOU, LLAMA
Post by: Magnet Dood on September 20, 2011, 11:43:06 PM
Still waitin for that Konro Man.

Also will attempt (and most likely fail) at making a few tilesets.

Any pointers?
Title: I'M GONNA KEEL YOU
Post by: LlamaHombre on September 20, 2011, 11:46:24 PM
Excuse me for being busy from 5:30 AM to 8:30 PM on every day except Tuesday.

And forgive me for having a curfew of 9:00 PM on those days.

Also forgive me for being bannded from the computer.

Forgive my DSi for logging me out of Cutstuff every five minutes, and forgive it for not being able to sprite.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Magnet Dood on September 20, 2011, 11:47:45 PM
Hmm... Yeah, guess I can excuse that. Never mind.

I can start on some of it if you'll be off of your computah for a while.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: LlamaHombre on September 20, 2011, 11:48:24 PM
Finish the Side pose and the Back/Right and I'll take over on the weekend.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Magnet Dood on September 21, 2011, 12:08:27 AM
All right, I'll see what I can dooooooooooo
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: fortegigasgospel on December 14, 2011, 08:40:58 PM
Now, the music honestly probably wouldn't be an issue, it was all downgraded well to fit an 8-bit feel, and a lot were lower passed then there SNES counter parts. Also so 5-6 stages have reused songs? If you going for accuracy to the game use the songs out of it.

Now, why make Barrier Wind and Forte Cyclone two different weapons, they worked the exact same in game.
Doppler Crash maybe make a charable weapon where you go farther the longer you hold the button and are invincible during the dash (both Break Dash and the Doppler Crash did this).
Doppler Attack maybe allow some flying while using and high pierce but drains weapon energy really fast.
Flame Shower (Rock's) again high pierce but high drain, no elevation like Blizzard Attack and goes upward slowly when the button is released, making it a good anti-air weapon.
Flame Mixer (Forte's) again high pierce but point blank range, high drain, raises slowly, doesn't block attacks.
Time Bomb (Rock's) stops time like Time Stopper but the time stop lasts for a shorter amount of time and can be used about 5 times from full energy.
Time Switch (Forte's) can do similar but shots don't harm during it, can be used less times from full.
Rock Vulcan can shoot a small shot that splits into three, 1 goes straight the other two arc outward, perfect for hitting around walls, piercing.
Forte Vulcan can shoot a small shot that homes in better then Magnet Missile but not as good as Dive Missile and is much slower moving.

Maybe add an item that acts like the Buster weapons for Compass and R-Shadow
Compass' Ring can hurt enemies on contact and shoots out his sparks which are the exact same as the normal buster with a lower firing rate.
R-Shadow's Buster shoots a laser with piercing that can punch through enemies for normal buster damage and a lower firing rate.

Also maybe R-Shadow's laser blade which shoots sparks in a tri-direction (like it does in game) forward and backward which are slow and do moderate damage.

Kumosu's stage was like some shrine like place, possible an old Japanese palace (like in Ookami)
Aircon's stage actually supposedly takes place under water, if that helps in making his stage.
Lastly, maybe add a stage for R-Shadow as well, you are doing everyone else's stages.

Hope some of this info helps out.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: TheDoc on December 14, 2011, 09:12:25 PM
What a bump! I thought this was dead......is it dead?
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Magnet Dood on December 14, 2011, 09:13:57 PM
Hmm... Interesting information.

This might be put into consideration if I pick up this project again.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: TheFancyEddie20 on January 04, 2012, 12:17:15 AM
Korno man is up for grabs, I'm gonna take his map.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Magnet Dood on January 04, 2012, 01:01:31 AM
...

Have you ever played this game?

Do you even know how to map? I'm going to need some refrences.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: TheFancyEddie20 on January 04, 2012, 01:13:29 AM
Err, i kinda do, send me the textures first
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: fortegigasgospel on January 04, 2012, 01:18:56 AM
I don't think thats how it works, he did ask for references. As in he wanted to see some maps you've made.

As for Konro's stage I think I'm confusing it with Dangan's with the gimmick.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Magnet Dood on January 04, 2012, 10:18:33 PM
Look, we don't have any textures. I originally thought this was going to be dead until I got some tiles...

Your bump has changed this.

I'm sorry, I don't know where any maps are, or how to rip them. You'll have to get them yourself and recolor them.

And I'm going to need to see some of your work.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Russel on January 05, 2012, 12:30:40 AM
Textures for this game do not exsist in a good format, they are all oversized and greyscale, so there's really no point until NemZ comes along
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Megaman on January 05, 2012, 03:49:12 AM
Quote from: "Star Dood"
(http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/6091/komusoskin.png)[/url]

How does the finished project look?


That is NOT the finished project!  I'm sorry, but your Komusoman skin looks really fat.  I feel it needs to be fixed up a little.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Magnet Dood on January 05, 2012, 04:08:50 AM
Project? What? I never said that.

And Lego notified this to me like 7 months ago.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: NemZ on January 29, 2012, 10:03:23 PM
Just so you guys know the maps are all available at vgmaps.com, they just need to be separated into tiles and recolored in photoshop or whatever.  This is an easy one, a good place to start if anyone else wants in on the tile making scene.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: fortegigasgospel on January 29, 2012, 10:57:31 PM
Why did it take me this long to notice the textures are pretty much the same for half the stages?

It would be easy just gotta figure out the measurements for the backgrounds mostly and what colors to use to give it some flare.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: NemZ on January 29, 2012, 11:16:27 PM
This might prove helpful to have around as well (spoilered for size):

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: fortegigasgospel on January 30, 2012, 12:50:59 AM
I did Clock and Compass palletes, I kept them grey so someone with a better feel can try there hand at coloring them.

Also as Lego said, remember, this game had different scaling then NES games.

Clock Men:
(click to show/hide)

Compass Man:
(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Magnet Dood on March 13, 2012, 05:26:45 PM
Bumps are fun.

I recently dug Komuso Man out of the ground, because I'm tired of waiting for Megaman to finish it. Since I've gotten a little better, I tried again:

(http://i39.tinypic.com/do80ti.png)

The most notable changes are fixing his head on the front, side, and back, making him thinner on the side sprites, and also fixing his shoulders for consistency, among other minor modifications. I also scrapped the walking sprites because they suuuuuuuuuuuuuuucked.

Any comments or critiques are appreciated.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Russel on March 13, 2012, 05:58:58 PM
I had made a slightly better standing frame a while ago...I would show you, but I don't know whare I put it and I do not have it on Image Shack.

I can't really tell much of a difference between this and your older version....

EDIT: ok, the head looks much better
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: fortegigasgospel on March 13, 2012, 06:04:30 PM
Quote from: "Star Dood"
Bumps are fun.

I recently dug Komuso Man out of the ground, because I'm tired of waiting for Megaman to finish it. Since I've gotten a little better, I tried again:

(http://i39.tinypic.com/do80ti.png)

The most notable changes are fixing his head on the front, side, and back, making him thinner on the side sprites, and also fixing his shoulders for consistency, among other minor modifications. I also scrapped the walking sprites because they suuuuuuuuuuuuuuucked.

Any comments or critiques are appreciated.
From how it was it is better. Maybe make the pupils lower in the eyes so it looks like he is looking down instead of up.  Whats the arms out animation for?  I'm guessing firing frame? If so he can just have the playing the flute as the only one.  As for running animations maybe a dash, just one animation which is exactly how he "ran" in the game, and Compass had a running animation so it wasn't a limitation.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Magnet Dood on March 13, 2012, 06:21:10 PM
I'd rather have two firing animations, like most of the other skins.

Him looking up was in the regular sprite sheet.

Making him dash would make me look incredibly lazy.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: fortegigasgospel on March 13, 2012, 06:45:22 PM
Quote from: "Star Dood"
I'd rather have two firing animations, like most of the other skins.

Him looking up was in the regular sprite sheet.

Making him dash would make me look incredibly lazy.
Most skins have two firing animations? Anyone with a buster doesn't have two. And blow through the pipe then swing arms outward? Does that make sense?

And lazy or not it is accurate to the game, the dashing was his Doppler Crash which when Rock used he dashed forward with a single animation as well, also think that Komuso was using abnormal abilities.  Think of his running animation like Magic Man, Magic dashes back and forth with no leg movement, and I don't think his skin will be having any leg movement.  If you want more frames for his run have one where he swaps which arms are up and changes every two frames.

EDIT: Ok going through I was wrong, but there is a mix of who does and doesn't have two.  If you can't think of something sensical don't make one that looks out of place the other animation.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Magnet Dood on March 13, 2012, 07:06:26 PM
He's not playing the flute.

He's crossing it against his chest.

EDIT: Wait, no, he's just holding it in front of himself.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Magnet Dood on March 16, 2012, 01:13:58 AM
So, uh, guys...

I'd like to kind of get the last two skins done, and I'm a little busy. So who could help? Llama originally was working on Konro, but I don't know if wants to do it (I tried those rotations but couldn't get them right) and walking is pretty eihjihjiorhjiogji for my skills so Komuso is somewhat difficult for me to do.

And other than that, we're done. So... can anyone help?
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: fortegigasgospel on March 16, 2012, 01:20:59 AM
Quote from: "Star Dood"
So, uh, guys...

I'd like to kind of get the last two skins done, and I'm a little busy. So who could help? Llama originally was working on Konro, but I don't know if wants to do it (I tried those rotations but couldn't get them right) and walking is pretty eihjihjiorhjiogji for my skills so Komuso is somewhat difficult for me to do.

And other than that, we're done. So... can anyone help?
What about maps?
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: NemZ on March 16, 2012, 01:56:05 AM
Maps for the dos expansion seems more pressing, dood.  you don't want to keep Lego waiting.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Magnet Dood on March 16, 2012, 03:17:42 AM
Right, right, but when or if that is finished it'd be nice if I had a good foundation here.

Plus, that freakin Bit Man map looks like shit every time I try to make it.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: NemZ on March 16, 2012, 04:55:48 AM
Yeah, well I guess I shouldn't be saying shit anyway since I haven't done any work on it either ever since I lost a nearly finished Blademan set.  Still, it isn't going to go anywhere if you don't keep at it.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: NemZ on June 10, 2012, 12:08:43 PM
So how is doppler attack going to work in this game?  In the actual game that thing looks ridiculously broken, the megaman version of SotN Alucard's acid mist form.  I mean "makes metal blade seem pointless" levels of broken, seriously.
Title: TBH isn't only broken if you have energy saver
Post by: BiscuitSlash on June 10, 2012, 12:34:59 PM
Just as long as the ammo drain for when you start/stop using it and while using it is reasonably fast and you cannot collect any pickups during it, it should be okay. Even so you'll want to make it a rare weapon.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Magnet Dood on June 10, 2012, 01:32:24 PM
Err, Lego made it actually. I believe it's some sort of ripping weapon that drains your weapon really quickly.

Think of it as a fast depleting Top Spin that rips through you. (Even though I haven't tested it yet herp)
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: NemZ on June 10, 2012, 04:27:19 PM
That's actually exactly what I was thinking of when I watched a vid of the game...  It's a broken as hell Top Spin.  

In terms of skulltag, if this weapon was game-accurate it would be like turning on the fly, god, and noclip cheats while also giving you the ability to deal constant ripping damage by contact.

And what other weapons does Bass get in this game?  homing missiles that can go through walls, a wall-breaking projectile that can pierce through enemies and hits hard, a hugging shield (made pointless by the doppler attack), and an incremental timestopper that makes you able to just walk right through enemies and their attacks.  Holy crap, people.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: BiscuitSlash on June 10, 2012, 04:37:23 PM
Best to make sure:
-It has reasonably fast ammo drain (while using it and when started/stopped)
-You don't travel faster than running speed
-You cannot collect anything (though best to find a way without noclip)
-No hitstun
-Hard to reach/find

Though this has all probably be done, right?
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: fortegigasgospel on June 10, 2012, 06:27:10 PM
Quote from: "NemZ"
That's actually exactly what I was thinking of when I watched a vid of the game...  It's a broken as hell Top Spin.  

In terms of skulltag, if this weapon was game-accurate it would be like turning on the fly, god, and noclip cheats while also giving you the ability to deal constant ripping damage by contact.

And what other weapons does Bass get in this game?  homing missiles that can go through walls, a wall-breaking projectile that can pierce through enemies and hits hard, a hugging shield (made pointless by the doppler attack), and an incremental timestopper that makes you able to just walk right through enemies and their attacks.  Holy crap, people.

It was so powerful due to the lack of invincibility times for the bosses.
Forte Vulcan moved slow but homed. Flame Shower rotated around him and when released/ammo depleted it slowly raised off the screen. Doppler Attack drained ammo pretty quick but allowed him to fly around and unable to be hurt.

Rock Vulcan moved the same speed but slit into three shots, one arcing up, one arcing down and one continues straight. Flame Mixer was like Wave Burner without the waving and raised off the screen when ended. Doppler Crash was basicly the same thing as Break Dash without the normal shoot and can't move when charging, also the longer you charge the farther you go (note R-Shadow used this attack also).

As for Barrier Wind/Forte Cyclone (both were the exact same) it blocked shoots, did the most single hit damage of all the weapons, but was harder to aim at smaller moving targets due to the zigzag motion it did. (Near impossible to hit Compass with)

Time Switch/Time Bomb (again both the exact same) basicly acted like Time Stopper but in bursts instead of all at once and allowed you to pass through enemies and shoots.

As for these weapons being so powerful, think about it, robots from the future who are more powerful then ones in the present.

In DM, if they weren't already made I'd say:
Rock Vulcan work just like in R&F2 but the split is left and right, the split can be commanded like Gyro Attack's but doesn't force them to lose vertical movement so can't be aimed over terrain as easily.
Forte Vulcan like a cross of Dive and Magnet. Good tracking ability but VERY slow.
Flame Mixer just like in game, would end up balancing with Wave Burner due to the lack of waving so direct aim is needed and higher ammo drain.
Flame Shower could basically be Scorch Wheel but it has a hugging effect and the shot raises when released making it anti air instead of the rolling along the ground, also no speed up and maybe balance it so it doesn't out class Star Crash by upping its ammo drain.
Barrier Wind/Forte Cyclone maybe move in a figure 8 formation around the central spot of the shot as it moves, blocks shoots even ripper ones, uses a lot of ammo so it only has 4 shoots, +Ripper but INCREDIBLE slow moving.
Doppler Crash sorta like YD's Break Dash but a bit stronger to compensate the lack of moving and uncharged attack, longer charged the further you go to a limit.
Doppler Attack like 712 said. This would be a very rare weapon.
Time Switch/Time Bomb could temp freeze people within a certain range and can't have its ammo refilled as well as leaves your inventory when its out of ammo, making it a less trolly Time Stopper and situationally.

If you want to make Forte Cyclone and Time Bomb different maybe.
Forte Cyclone zigzag differently and some stat swapping for them.
Time Bomb does Time Men's time bomb which caused 4 lightning bolts to strike randomly nearby (but have all 4 come down at once) and stuns opponents just long enough for the bolts to strike before letting them move, making the stun allow the attack to hit more easily and be a minor annoyance to people hit.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Magnet Dood on June 10, 2012, 06:30:39 PM
I'd say Time Switch should work just Flash Man's classes Time Stopper. Because, you know, it's basically the same as what we're trying to do.
Title: FGG you got Flame Shower and Mixer the wrong way round
Post by: BiscuitSlash on June 10, 2012, 07:27:01 PM
Only it has to stop projectiles too, which would probably need the projectiles to all be edited.

Meh, Lego's probably already done that though.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Russel on June 10, 2012, 07:39:34 PM
You think too highly of me, the weapon is JUST Flashman's Time Stopper, nothing more.

Unfortunately, I can't possibly stop all projectiles in game without doing exactly what the time stopper copywep does.

As for Time Bomb, it's reletivly the same, but with a shorter attack range and it turns the user invisible for a short period of time.

I'm incredibly temped to make them both ACS-based
Title: Re: FGG you got Flame Shower and Mixer the wrong way round
Post by: fortegigasgospel on June 10, 2012, 08:17:41 PM
Oops, mixed them up, oh well, you know what I ment.
And the way Lego described works to.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: BiscuitSlash on June 12, 2012, 08:30:08 PM
Question: What are the weapon colours going to be?
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Magnet Dood on June 12, 2012, 08:38:40 PM
Quote from: "Lego"
Oh gosh! I almost forgot!
Megaman and I were using this for our resources:
(http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs50/f/2009/255/1/7/Megaman_Japan_Sprites_by_spdy4.png)

Credit should be provided to Ian the Cat (spdy4) on DeviantArt

The colors shown here.

Obviously no compass weapon
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: NemZ on June 12, 2012, 11:25:11 PM
Please do something different for Aircon and Clcok weapons then.  Any palette where the body is darker than the man-panties just looks wrong, and doubly so on other skins that actually try to use those colors for shading.  

Yes, even when it's cannon like MM's weapon get from Dynamo Man.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Magnet Dood on June 12, 2012, 11:29:07 PM
I'm sorry. Rockman & Forte 2 did not have a Clcok Man.  :ugeek:

We might be able to reverse the colors, but... eh. Maybe I'll see how they look on the skins in one of those grid thingies.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: fortegigasgospel on June 13, 2012, 12:36:39 AM
Remember Megaman usually matches the color of the weapon.

Also I wouldn't trust too much from that. The Dangan man on that page looks so horrible. And look how tiny he is as apposed to (http://images.wikia.com/megaman/images/7/7c/RFWSopening1.gif)
He is in back and still almost the size of the others.

Maybe make the pallet for Time Switch Grey and White?

Also, oh god that R-Shadow. HE ISN'T GREEN. They call him "That Black Rockman" and "That Black Me" (as said by Rock).  Meaning his armor must be a shade of black.  Also could have at least made him look taller, and used a different standing pose.

Off rant mode.
R-Shadow totally stands like X
(http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100813213756/megaman/images/0/08/Rshadowsp.png) (http://images.wikia.com/megaman/images/a/a6/MMX123.png)
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Magnet Dood on June 13, 2012, 12:55:34 AM
Arguably, Konro Man is really short too.

And so what if R-Shadow isn't black here? He's going to be blue and cyan in game, sooooooo
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Darknessmanultra on May 25, 2013, 02:53:59 AM
Can i take Aircon Man stage?
I have the tileset
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Magnet Dood on May 25, 2013, 03:15:24 AM
ow the bump hurts my face
BUT

Quote
I have the tileset

This is suprising
If you mean NemZ's found here:http://www.cutstuff.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=2703, then eat your heart out, pal.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Darknessmanultra on May 25, 2013, 04:41:22 AM
I do not know what are you meaning with "eat your heart out", but the tileset i have is ripped by myself, but my tileset does not have color
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: fortegigasgospel on May 25, 2013, 04:50:47 AM
Quote from: "Darknessmanultra"
I do not know what are you meaning with "eat your heart out", but the tileset i have is ripped by myself, but my tileset does not have color
Nemz already ripped and added color to all the textures from the game for this expansion.
We highly recommend using those.
By "eat your heart out" he means do your best, have a great time, I think.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Knux on May 25, 2013, 05:56:12 AM
Magnet was under the impression that Dark here had done tiles, and told him that they were no match for Nemz's. Even if that were to be the case, it's still rude.

It's obvious, there's no need to work around it.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Darknessmanultra on May 25, 2013, 04:05:46 PM
ok, i will use Nemz tileset
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Magnet Dood on May 25, 2013, 05:43:18 PM
Uh, I never meant that at all, actually. I was just verifying that he was using those because... oh I dunno maybe those are the ones we're supposed to use or something?

Also this is supposed to be buried because DOS is currently more important, but I don't mind whether or not you work on it.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: fortegigasgospel on May 25, 2013, 11:54:44 PM
Well now lets not forget the gem of a map Blaze and I made.
(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Darknessmanultra on August 26, 2013, 11:55:30 PM
Finally, after many months, i finished
i would like to say that, but the map doesn't have weapons or items
anyway, here are some screenshots:

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Hallan Parva on August 27, 2013, 12:07:37 AM
are you going to wait to upload it until after you place items


or are you going to give us a download link or something
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Magnet Dood on August 27, 2013, 12:16:02 AM
Whoa, nice job! I wasn't even expecting this to be in production after so many months.

Very, very good work. It will be a joy testing this out.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: NemZ on August 27, 2013, 03:18:10 AM
Nifty.  :)
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Darknessmanultra on August 28, 2013, 09:54:21 PM
As i promised, here is the map:

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: FTX6004 on August 29, 2013, 03:32:24 PM
Quote from: "Darknessmanultra"
As i promised, here is the map:

(click to show/hide)

Can you upload it with Sendspace instead, mediafire dosent like me again.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Darknessmanultra on August 29, 2013, 05:42:36 PM
Quote from: "FTX6004"
Quote from: "Darknessmanultra"
As i promised, here is the map:

(click to show/hide)

Can you upload it with Sendspace instead, mediafire dosent like me again.

No problem, HERE (http://www.sendspace.com/file/nndgl2)
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: FTX6004 on August 29, 2013, 05:50:19 PM
Okay just to be asking are they any skins i can make.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: -FiniteZero- on August 29, 2013, 05:52:36 PM
I believe Dangan Man, Komuso Man, and Konro Man still need to be made, I think.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: FTX6004 on August 29, 2013, 06:03:42 PM
I already know Konro Man is already in works i really wanted to make him but i Think Llama would make a better work than me. if he gives me the work.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: fortegigasgospel on August 29, 2013, 07:14:15 PM
Might I suggest looking for the sprite sheets that the Rollchan game is using? They look much better then the ones normally seen. Konro (using the sheet I mentioned) has a bit of work put into him already started by Llama and continued by me seen in his resource thread.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Geno on August 29, 2013, 10:03:33 PM
Are there any other skins that need doing?

I could try one.

Of course, I'd need to figure out how to find those sheets that  fortegigasgospel is talking about. (I thought the game wasn't out yet.)


EDIT: Nuts.

Still would like to find those sheets though.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: fortegigasgospel on August 29, 2013, 10:39:38 PM
Yea that is the problem. If someone could possible pull it off they could probably recreate them from what they see in the video, I tried but I don't have the patience to do it.

I do have Dangan's and R-Shadow's standing frames though, I don't know where the person who gave them to me got them from though.

Also for Konro I don't think you need to ask Llama cause he has it in resources. Llama had the front stand, I did the other ones. My goal was to have him leaned forward while he ran. But his rotations would have been to hard for me.
(http://i.imgur.com/uyaZ7Mu.png)
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Geno on August 29, 2013, 10:45:17 PM
Aha, I see.

(I can't wait for that fangame to some out.)
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: fortegigasgospel on August 29, 2013, 11:12:10 PM
Yea I can't either.
Also forgot to answer availability. If we don't go by those sprites (which I recommend as they are the best quality ones I've seen), Aircon, Compass and Clock are all done (but permission to use will be needed). Otherwise pretty much everyone is open to my knowledge.

Dangan shouldn't be too hard to do, cause really, that is the only appropriate skin to not walk. For the same reasons as Comet Woman.

Or just read the below post, cause he would know better then me.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Magnet Dood on August 29, 2013, 11:12:41 PM
Ahem. Let me shed a little light on the subject.

Dangan Man was finished a while ago by me, but it might have a couple inconsistencies seeing as though it's one of my older works. I'll have to look at it again.
Konro Man is unfinished as stated earlier.
Komuso Man is currently unfinished, but all it requires is walking frames. I still have the sheet if needed.

EDIT: OK yeah the sheet is really old and sucky but salvageable
(http://img855.imageshack.us/img855/7655/bulletman.png) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/855/bulletman.png/)
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: ZeStopper on August 30, 2013, 12:49:01 AM
Considering that all I'll be doing this weekend is nothing, I'd like to see the sprites for Komuso so that I could help.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Magnet Dood on August 30, 2013, 01:11:38 AM
Sure thing! Lemme grab them.

Jeez, never thought this would attract so much attention on such sort notice.

This is also old as piss and some of it looks really bad but it's salvageable.
(http://i39.tinypic.com/do80ti.png)
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: ZeStopper on August 30, 2013, 01:20:51 AM
Okay! I'll see what I can do.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: fortegigasgospel on August 30, 2013, 03:37:20 AM
Ok the image was called Tarborecreation, meaning whoever did it recreated the frames.
(http://i.imgur.com/UOdNIM3.png)

Why not try out this Dangan instead?
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: FTX6004 on August 30, 2013, 03:57:52 AM
Quote from: "fortegigasgospel"
Ok the image was called Tarborecreation, meaning whoever did it recreated the frames.
(http://i.imgur.com/UOdNIM3.png)

Why not try out this Dangan instead?
Okay i will make that better Danganman and Fortegigagospel has right about the sprite, these you guys made looks weird to me, konro man sprites to me but i will not make it.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Magnet Dood on August 30, 2013, 11:32:42 PM
Oh, god, don't use those sprites. They're way too large and out of proportion with the others.

I'd much rather prefer to use the other sprites on the sheet Lego provided.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: FTX6004 on August 30, 2013, 11:40:01 PM
Well the one you did looks bad so i making the better one.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Knux on September 01, 2013, 12:54:19 AM
They don't look bad, IMO. They just need a little more work, namely on the sprites looking at corners.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: fortegigasgospel on September 01, 2013, 01:08:05 AM
As a request to show one frame from each of the Dimensions seen in the video I went and recreated their standing frames (Dangan and R-Shadow were already done, and I did more on Compass already).
(http://i.imgur.com/femrSkV.png)
As an added bonus I did both Clocks as well as Copy Weapon colors.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: FTX6004 on September 01, 2013, 01:12:48 AM
Quote from: "fortegigasgospel"
As a request to show one frame from each of the Dimensions seen in the video I went and recreated their standing frames (Dangan and R-Shadow were already done, and I did more on Compass already).
(http://i.imgur.com/femrSkV.png)
As an added bonus I did both Clocks as well as Copy Weapon colors.

Thats great! but can you make Danganman's Shooting sprites im working on the new danganman skin.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Magnet Dood on September 01, 2013, 02:58:34 AM
I'd honestly only like to use Rockman Shadow and Compass if we had to use them, considering Dangan Man is ridiculously big, Konro is too similar to the one being made, and Aircon looks funny.

Kumoso and the Clocks are OK but eh
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: ZeStopper on September 01, 2013, 03:15:25 AM
I prefer the Compassman, Clockmen, and Aircornman skins done by Megaman.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: fortegigasgospel on September 01, 2013, 03:37:19 AM
Quote from: "Magnet Dood"
considering Dangan Man is ridiculously big
Ok, I'ma stop you RIGHT there.

We haven't had any bosses who are ridiculously big before?

(http://i.imgur.com/vv79LKG.png)

All of these guys came before Dangan and 2 of them are just "WTF Big", one is canon WTF big but was limited sprite wise, and the other is just freaken big (and proportionally about the same size). And if you look compared to Rock, he is roughly the size Rollchan has him.

And the Dangan from that sprite sheet, I'm just gonna stop trying to avoid saying it, looks so stupid. He looks more like a stage enemy then a freaken boss.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Magnet Dood on September 01, 2013, 03:54:37 AM
His sprite is too large to warrant it being made into a skin- and you're showing it right now. You basically shot yourself in the foot when you posted Dangan's original sprite.

(http://i44.tinypic.com/29mt1lf.png)

Whereas Mega Man shrunk in proportion compared to RM&F2's sprite, Dangan Man stayed nearly the same, if not even bigger than he was originally. He's out of proportion compared to the original and to most other Robot Masters in general. Even though I share your sentiment that the one we currently have is mediocre, using this one is not a viable solution- he'll stick out like a sore thumb.

As much as I appreciate your help with both of my expansions and value your friendship, I should be the one calling the shots since I was the guy who started this in the first place. Therefore, I'd honestly prefer to drop both sprites and merely make a new one. As it stands, the current version is rather bad, and this new one isn't much of an improvement.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: FTX6004 on September 01, 2013, 08:08:20 AM
Quote from: "ThePlayer"
Clockmen skins done by Megaman.
Megaman din't made Clockmen Lego did, and for Dood the other Danganman looks small to me.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Knux on September 01, 2013, 08:50:20 PM
Quote from: "FTX6004"
the other Danganman looks small to me.
I think it's fine, actually. If the missile on his chest was made accurate, shooting at someone with the skin could become more complicated than it needs to be if they're facing sideways.

And on the topic of huge bosses, Frost Walrus and Rainy Turtloid are quite huge as well, if you guys wanna take the X series into account.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: Dark Phil on January 16, 2019, 06:05:38 PM
I hope at some point that this expansion picks back up to finish off the main series games (despite the fact that this game, like the Mega Man Dos games are the weird cousins that you pretend your not related to at family gatherings).

That in mind, I am curious as to how the team interprets Aircon Man. I initially thought it was Air Conditioning Man, but recently heard it as Air Control Man, which honestly makes a lot of sense for his design with the two fans and the cloud attacks. It also makes the Robot Master selection maybe one of the best in terms of an actual plan to take over the world. Aircon Man could shut down flights around the world. Stove (Konro) Man I imagine has some purpose for natural gas which people rely heavily on. Compass Man, assuming he controls some sort of navigation, could throw the world into disarray because we rely on GPS. Clock Men could throw off global timers, affecting deadlines and the worlds being in sync with each other in terms of flights (which once again plays into Aircon(trol) Man). Kumuso Man could possibly have mind soothing or control powers (based on a combination of history and Mega Man logic). And Bullet (Dangan) Man is literally a hired gun for fighting.

On a separate note, looking at the stage sprites for this expansion, most of them are interchangeable just with different color choices. Maybe the stage sprites need the Dos Reborn treatment to make them more distinguishable.
Title: Re: [EXPANSION] Rockman & Forte 2
Post by: LlamaHombre on January 17, 2019, 03:22:24 AM
As someone distant from this (assumed dead) project, what's held me back from being interested in bringing it to life in MM8BDM is the surprising lack of original assets. The robot masters and weapons are well defined, but the stages are bizarrely unmemorable. Like you've said, tilesets are largely interchangeable between maps and the music in these stages are directly ripped from Mega Man and Bass - oftentimes in ways that don't fit the robot master at all.

I'd imagine working on skins or weapons or classes for RMF2 would be fascinating, but from a map perspective it's a wasteland. The robot masters and weapons probably wouldn't have to change much at all, but nothing short of a total replacement would get me to work on RMF2 maps.