DRSG Rebirth vB.1 - v6 Patch 07/26/2022

[Duora Super Gyro]

Would there be suggestions for this map pack (or ideas)?

not sure exactly what you mean by this...

[Rozark]

He wants to submit map ideas and you make them.

[-Daiki-TheOni]

Even if you dont accept sugestions...

You know what a "rats" map is??

Think of it like a challenge for you (can you imagine all the robot masters and etc runing around in that map?)...

[Duora Super Gyro]

Even if you dont accept sugestions...

You know what a "rats" map is??

Think of it like a challenge for you (can you imagine all the robot masters and etc runing around in that map?)...

Hmm... I might try somthing like that..

[SmashTheEchidna]

By the way, I noticed in one of the levels (Beach cliff I believe) that staying under water too long causes you to take damage, presumably from lack of air.

While this probably doesn't make sense for the most part, given the fact that robots don't need to breath, I think it's a pretty cool idea. Might I add the suggestion that instead of having you take damage, you instead are given a timer before you drown fully? and perhaps have this music play until you get out the water?

[Knux]

That's Doom water, Gizmo. To do something like what you ask, it would need to be scripted.

[SmashTheEchidna]

Doom water automatically drowns you?

...Really? This is the first I've ever seen or heard of it. And I've encountered it numerous times.

[Rozark]

Even if you dont accept sugestions...

You know what a "rats" map is??

Think of it like a challenge for you (can you imagine all the robot masters and etc runing around in that map?)...

Hmm... I might try somthing like that..

I was going to attempt that in the late future. By late, I mean like a year from now. However, I'd like to see you do it- It's likely I'll never do it and you use creative textures more often than I do. By all means go for it.

[xColdxFusionx]

Doom water automatically drowns you?

...Really? This is the first I've ever seen or heard of it. And I've encountered it numerous times.

What he's trying to say is that the "swimmable water" code in ZDoom/Zandronum is what's being used for that particular water. Sonic-style drowning would have to be scripted in.

[SmashTheEchidna]

Well yeah, I understand that much, but I did not know that ZDoom/Zandronum's "swimmable water" could drown you.

[Duora Super Gyro]

Ima try to get Megaman styled water next version, hopefully il get it right this time.
Also, I could use more feedback on the REDRSG maps if its not to much trouble.

[Rozark]

Oh hey, it seems that the other half of the pack was requested. Before I begin though, I want to ask you a question. I'm not sure if you handmade or ripped any of these textures (Besides WWGUTS), but is it alright if I use some of them for a certain map project that I've been working on? Anywho, on to the review. Do note that I'm not doing weapon layouts simply because I'm not good at them myself and that this is my opinion. It's ultimately your choice to decide what to do with the maps.

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Asteroid Assault:
Captured the mood of an asteroid, and its jumping.
-I like rabbits and probably you do too. However, I don't like jumping numerous amounts
of times to cover a map. Now, I'm aware it IS an asteroid and that asteroids have disfigured/natural
terrain to them. That's fine, just lower the amount of jumping.
-Capsule Balance.
OVERALL: NEUTRAL

Generator Room:
Well, at least the title is somewhat accurate.
-It's two rooms planted next to each other with a hallway or two in between.
-Open ceilings/too open of areas with random structures surrounding it. This reminds me of a difficult part of my own map sketching that I would always forget to incorporate the middle of the room into something.
-Martha loves Texture Soup/I don't
-Capsule Balance
OVERALL: POOR

MM?STAIX Nature's Best:
I don't know what to compliment it on so let's move on.
-Structures have stairs, rarely does nature have stairs. This is stair heaven. I probably toned my thighs just playing this level. This is bad. Hallway/Room>Stairs>Stairs>More Stairs>Hallway/Room isn't good.
-Breaks 32 rule in some areas.
-Speak Martha, tell me about this soup.
-Unknown if actually intended on putting 3 environments next to each other.
-The music is uneasy/gets annoying/doesn't really portray the level.
-It's cramped, this can't possibly work/end well in any mode except Hide&Seek.
-Capsule Balance
OVERALL: POOR

Rocky Arena:
It's Rocky, and it's an Arena. Seems centered around duel.
- Too much jumping. I'm aware it's on the edge, but in order to get out of the main room and into the cramped hallways you need to jump.
-Cramped hallways, mentioned directly above. The ceiling is BARELY fitting enough for a person.
-Weapon locations and capsule balance need work.
OVERALL: POOR

Shiver Peak:
This doesn't look like a mountain, rather, a region.
-Jumping. Too much. Moving on.
-Too much slipperiness. Controlling is hard and there's a path that goes around the map with it- that combined with jumping almost makes this map unplayable.
-Capsule balance AND more capsule placement
-The islands with the teleporters/weapons feel unneeded.
The generic sideways Blizzardman ice texture used on the floor isn't.. well.. it doesn't work. Perhaps use something else.
OVERALL: POOR

Termination:
Let's get this one over with already.
-Certain walls don't have textures/White and blue checkered unless intentional.
-Some sections are too open, some are too jumpy, and some just scream "Empty room with random structures of plant things in the middle.
-Not really a complaint but "Oh hey I used this song, oh well, a song is a song". Speaking of which, the song jumps/doesn't loop well. That may just be my ear though.
-Capsule balance needs work.
OVERALL: POOR

Icicle Palace:
The music captures the mood of an "awe" moment. -takes notes- >_>
-Open exterior. Waaaaaaaaaay too open.
-The M tank room feels open yet it captures a side effect of "awe"/I spawned in there and just took a minute to look around. If anything, you know how to create such effects and that's amazing.
- A certain Etank room literally has random cubes in the center of the room. Literally, cubes.
-Capsule balance needs work.
-Too much ice physics.
OVERALL: POOR/NEUTRAL
(It's literally just cut down on the sheer size of this map/fix the cube room and it should/could be set.

CliffSide:
I feel like a second word should be in there, but meh.
-All it needs is just fixing the capsule balance and adding more weapons. It's a cliff with open spaces sure, but part of me says that this was done somewhat better compared to the other open maps.
- Right, and possibly expanding the ceiling on some of the more cramped tunnels.
OVERALL: NEUTRAL

Title City:
I like this concept. It somewhat feels fresh and I enjoy it.
-I don't know what sort of mood you were trying to pull off here, but the music doesn't fit. :I
-Capsule/Weapon placement balance
OVERALL: GOOD

Silver Stone:
I see Star Hill size.
-I'm leaving it at it's large and that 2,3, possibly even 4 other maps can come from this.
-On the plus side, it's great for Hide&Seek
-Martha says the soup is bad
-Capsule Balance/Weapon Balance
-Excessive jumping and wide open spaces/ties in with the first note.
OVERALL: POOR

FrostyFire Ruins:
A neat concept that I believe wasn't executed to its full potential.
-The teleporters alternate between Ice/Fire (Which there is no fire) versions. It's the same map, only parts are inverted/texture change. Now, that "concept" I mentioned earlier. The stray teleport by itself in one of the rooms on the fire side you're able to jump to, go in the teleporter, and come out an ice side where you can't climb up. I believe that if you did more areas like this/terraformed certain sections better that this map concept would be amazing.
-Ceilings should be black in caves/interiors 95% of the time, and this doesn't feel like a 5%.
-Capsule Balance.
-Dead ends/blank areas that lead to a single weapon
-Feels like it needs layout work
-No Ice physics
-Abnormal open spaces
OVERALL: POOR

Conclusion: What I said earlier still holds true- I don't like this part of the pack. Most of the maps eliminate the "Beauty" factor of the first group of maps and just throw in mostly awkward layouts with open spaces and too many stairs to more open spaces/cramped spaces. Some of these have great concepts that I believe were just executed poorly. I do hope you continue to improve upon these maps, because, well, if these concepts and maps get their fixes done... oh man.... they'll be spectacular.

[Duora Super Gyro]

Oh hey, it seems that the other half of the pack was requested. Before I begin though, I want to ask you a question. I'm not sure if you handmade or ripped any of these textures (Besides WWGUTS), but is it alright if I use some of them for a certain map project that I've been working on? Anywho, on to the review. Do note that I'm not doing weapon layouts simply because I'm not good at them myself and that this is my opinion. It's ultimately your choice to decide what to do with the maps.

You can use whatever textures you want as long as you give credit

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Asteroid Assault:
Captured the mood of an asteroid, and its jumping.
-I like rabbits and probably you do too. However, I don't like jumping numerous amounts
of times to cover a map. Now, I'm aware it IS an asteroid and that asteroids have disfigured/natural
terrain to them. That's fine, just lower the amount of jumping.
-Capsule Balance.
OVERALL: NEUTRAL
Yeah, could probably include some slopes there.

Generator Room:
Well, at least the title is somewhat accurate.
-It's two rooms planted next to each other with a hallway or two in between.
-Open ceilings/too open of areas with random structures surrounding it. This reminds me of a difficult part of my own map sketching that I would always forget to incorporate the middle of the room into something.
-Martha loves Texture Soup/I don't
-Capsule Balance
OVERALL: POOR
Didnt know what to name this place at all. I tend to have that same problem too...also, what do you mean by texture soup?

MM?STAIX Nature's Best:
I don't know what to compliment it on so let's move on.
-Structures have stairs, rarely does nature have stairs. This is stair heaven. I probably toned my thighs just playing this level. This is bad. Hallway/Room>Stairs>Stairs>More Stairs>Hallway/Room isn't good.
-Breaks 32 rule in some areas.
-Speak Martha, tell me about this soup.
-Unknown if actually intended on putting 3 environments next to each other.
-The music is uneasy/gets annoying/doesn't really portray the level.
-It's cramped, this can't possibly work/end well in any mode except Hide&Seek.
-Capsule Balance
OVERALL: POOR
I could try flattening the rock and forest areas. also, have any ideas on some music i could use?

Rocky Arena:
It's Rocky, and it's an Arena. Seems centered around duel.
- Too much jumping. I'm aware it's on the edge, but in order to get out of the main room and into the cramped hallways you need to jump.
-Cramped hallways, mentioned directly above. The ceiling is BARELY fitting enough for a person.
-Weapon locations and capsule balance need work.
OVERALL: POOR
I might do it gutsman styled to lower the jumping and raise the ceiling.

Shiver Peak:
This doesn't look like a mountain, rather, a region.
-Jumping. Too much. Moving on.
-Too much slipperiness. Controlling is hard and there's a path that goes around the map with it- that combined with jumping almost makes this map unplayable.
-Capsule balance AND more capsule placement
-The islands with the teleporters/weapons feel unneeded.
The generic sideways Blizzardman ice texture used on the floor isn't.. well.. it doesn't work. Perhaps use something else.
OVERALL: POOR
change textures, include slopes, as for the name...Shiver Isle?

Termination:
Let's get this one over with already.
-Certain walls don't have textures/White and blue checkered unless intentional.
-Some sections are too open, some are too jumpy, and some just scream "Empty room with random structures of plant things in the middle.
-Not really a complaint but "Oh hey I used this song, oh well, a song is a song". Speaking of which, the song jumps/doesn't loop well. That may just be my ear though.
-Capsule balance needs work.
OVERALL: POOR
yeah, need to fix textures...plant things...didnt know what to do with that room...

Icicle Palace:
The music captures the mood of an "awe" moment. -takes notes- >_>
-Open exterior. Waaaaaaaaaay too open.
-The M tank room feels open yet it captures a side effect of "awe"/I spawned in there and just took a minute to look around. If anything, you know how to create such effects and that's amazing.
- A certain Etank room literally has random cubes in the center of the room. Literally, cubes.
-Capsule balance needs work.
-Too much ice physics.
OVERALL: POOR/NEUTRAL
(It's literally just cut down on the sheer size of this map/fix the cube room and it should/could be set.
Im still trying to figure out what to do with the massive outside area, i have some ideas that might work though and will help lower the size of the map some.

CliffSide:
I feel like a second word should be in there, but meh.
-All it needs is just fixing the capsule balance and adding more weapons. It's a cliff with open spaces sure, but part of me says that this was done somewhat better compared to the other open maps.
- Right, and possibly expanding the ceiling on some of the more cramped tunnels.
OVERALL: NEUTRAL
I also feel like the name could use a second word...

Title City:
I like this concept. It somewhat feels fresh and I enjoy it.
-I don't know what sort of mood you were trying to pull off here, but the music doesn't fit. :I
-Capsule/Weapon placement balance
OVERALL: GOOD
change weapon and health and change music, okay.

Silver Stone:
I see Star Hill size.
-I'm leaving it at it's large and that 2,3, possibly even 4 other maps can come from this.
-On the plus side, it's great for Hide&Seek
-Martha says the soup is bad
-Capsule Balance/Weapon Balance
-Excessive jumping and wide open spaces/ties in with the first note.
OVERALL: POOR
hmmm...im thinking of either trashing this map or turning it into three separate maps...

FrostyFire Ruins:
A neat concept that I believe wasn't executed to its full potential.
-The teleporters alternate between Ice/Fire (Which there is no fire) versions. It's the same map, only parts are inverted/texture change. Now, that "concept" I mentioned earlier. The stray teleport by itself in one of the rooms on the fire side you're able to jump to, go in the teleporter, and come out an ice side where you can't climb up. I believe that if you did more areas like this/terraformed certain sections better that this map concept would be amazing.
-Ceilings should be black in caves/interiors 95% of the time, and this doesn't feel like a 5%.
-Capsule Balance.
-Dead ends/blank areas that lead to a single weapon
-Feels like it needs layout work
-No Ice physics
-Abnormal open spaces
OVERALL: POOR
yeah. needs more fire. it probably could use more areas like that, I just wasnt sure about it.

Conclusion: What I said earlier still holds true- I don't like this part of the pack. Most of the maps eliminate the "Beauty" factor of the first group of maps and just throw in mostly awkward layouts with open spaces and too many stairs to more open spaces/cramped spaces. Some of these have great concepts that I believe were just executed poorly. I do hope you continue to improve upon these maps, because, well, if these concepts and maps get their fixes done... oh man.... they'll be spectacular.
I understan these maps not being as good as the newer ones, but thats probably because they are older. Their remade versions of maps from a different map pack I made, but I dont want to abandon the maps, but they definitely need work. thanks for the feedback

[Knux]

A texture soup is what happens when you take too many different colored textures and use them in a map. A good way to avoid this is by selecting 2-3 RM tilesets for the map's theme. You can use a few others too, if they fit with the overall color scheme.

[Hinatediz]

Hi...

You map is good for health... yes.

i came to put another easter egg music for your good goodies