New Ghoul, Crackels! Custom made by me ENTIRELY! :)

[lord_of_hell]

i dont readed about the theme what he wanted D:

[White]

i dont readed about the theme what he wanted D:

Then it's a wise idea to start. Alot of reading is required in a forum.

[Anonymous]

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[Cyclone]

uhh, no offense dude, but unless it has some kind of new fight style,it just seems like a jitterskull clone if ya ask me. :-|

[White]

uhh, no offense dude, but unless it has some kind of new fight style,it just seems like a jitterskull clone if ya ask me. :-|

First "off" ghoul. This kinda shit is being voted away for that reason.

[Wartorn]

uhh, no offense dude, but unless it has some kind of new fight style,it just seems like a jitterskull clone if ya ask me. :-|

First "off" ghoul. This kinda shit is being voted away for that reason.

Bro, I know you're my friend and all, but how the fuck does that excuse it from people saying that it's a Jitterskull clone? It's a completely valid reason to vote something off.

[Knux]

The way I see it, the problem here is that it's still too early to decide if this thing should be in GF4 or not. White should try out new ideas for it, and see what works best. Crackles has only made it's debut appearance just to let everyone know that there's something new coming their way. By this, it should be understood that it's attack pattern may change in the future, and that this Ghoul has potential to become something better than just a Jitterskull clone.

Brainstormin' time, eh White?  

Just grab a pencil and paper, and write down what has been done and what hasn't. Even if you end up leaving it's moving pattern like it is now, you might be able to give it some twists that make it unique and give it a reason to be feared apart from Jitty. Try everything, even what seems ridiculous. Sooner than later, you'll find some niches for it.

[Robjoe]

Here's an idea.

(click to show/hide)

5 seconds after he is spawned, he appears in front of your face, and starts telling you his sad (But boring) sob story. Three hours into this, you just walk off, and he cries. Best attack pattern ever. Apart from Green Version Wigglytuff, that is. =P

=D

Whatever, in all seriousness, good luck with this. I don't have any serious ideas, though. So, sorry.

[White]

The way I see it, the problem here is that it's still too early to decide if this thing should be in GF4 or not. White should try out new ideas for it, and see what works best. Crackles has only made it's debut appearance just to let everyone know that there's something new coming their way. By this, it should be understood that it's attack pattern may change in the future, and that this Ghoul has potential to become something better than just a Jitterskull clone.

Brainstormin' time, eh White?  

Just grab a pencil and paper, and write down what has been done and what hasn't. Even if you end up leaving it's moving pattern like it is now, you might be able to give it some twists that make it unique and give it a reason to be feared apart from Jitty. Try everything, even what seems ridiculous. Sooner than later, you'll find some niches for it.

Yea, much to all of your surprises, I wasn't cloning jitterskull when I made this.

There-again, This was made a long while ago. I just gave it some death fire (which doesn't work anyways) and uploaded it.

THAT's why I ask for it to go easy.

[Knux]

Then you should remove the poll because the time to ask for people's opinion's isn't right yet. Wait until you've actually finished the ghoul, then we can avoid this waste of time and cut to the good stuff.  

I'll update my video description with a disclaimer that says this thing isn't the final product, so that people stop saying stuff over at Youtube.

[Cyclone]

oooh...sorry about the false accusation. i didn't know it wasn't intended for what i said. but what knux said earlier is right. try askin the guys here for ideas. might get a few good ones while ur at it.  

[Major Cooke]

Okay. I'm not going to go very easy. I'm going to deliver it straight to you on what I think. This is the only way you're going to learn about what hard-core constructive criticism can do and how it makes people into true men. This is how I learned it, so you can try taking my advice or you can ignore it, either way it's up to you.

But first, some pointers on what you should not say when submitting something:

"Go easy, it's my first <name-of-project-or-wip-here>"

If you say this, you'll often have people look at it and question whether they really want to download it or not. It did for me and I wasn't surprised at seeing something which some people here have call a ripoff of the jitterskull. Instead, just do something simple like "let me know what you think" or clearly state it's incomplete or something so we know about it, so therefore we can go easy.

"First "off" ghoul. This kinda shit is being voted away for that reason."

I agree with Wartorn here. If you personally feel inclined to think that it's something special, don't say so if the rest feel the opposite way, unless you acknowledge the reasons. Just nod your head and be on your way, otherwise you'll be considered a stubborn one.

Title: "...Custom made by me ENTIRELY-"

You are only lying to yourself at this point. Whether you really knew it or not when you first uploaded it I cannot tell, for I am not you, but I'm sure you know that by now it's not going to pass. Plus, you let others down when they see it, and the grin on their faces is suddenly smacked off so hard, blistering scars of disappointment and anger cover the lips like cold sores.

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Now... About the ghoul itself...

I can partially see what your trying to do, but like much of the bandwagon it's just too much like the jitterskull. You need to make it more unique, something FAR away in terms of distance from any of the first three ghouls. I'm making a ghoul, and it does stuff that has a few bits of which some of the ghouls can perform in GvH (jitterskull charging, just to name one), but it's far different than the rest. In fact, it's a death angel, not a ghoul at all. But anway... Uniqueness needs to be worked on, and should be almost completely revamped.

I'm sorry if this sounds offensive but you do seem slightly resistant to the other folks, and your friends constructive criticism by repeatedly stating for them to go easy on you. Doing so is just like flinging shit on their rooftops and their windows. They'll only get harder. I for one am being hard because it does appear that you need some good advice, and you need it badly.

I had some more criticism but unfortunately I don't remember what I was going to say since it's midnight here, and I'm tired. If I remember it, I'll post it here. Don't take offense to it, it's only constructive criticism that's trying to help you out. To quote Ben Yahtzee:

...Instead of crucifying the game, like I usually do, I figured that I would make Turok 2 as an example of what game developers should NOT do.

Take it all with spirit, and work towards making a better edition. Then, you can feel the pride thumping in your heart for all the hard work you've done and be amazed at just how well people will react when you reform it.

[White]

A long block of text which half of us probably did not read

Well, you've been a bit busy with work yourself, Im sure you'd find the work load.

But some of us aren't perfected in certain designs. Hell, My class based mod is probably my best work, and AD is second only to that.

Im not the best at ghoul work, which is why a few weeks ago I admittively said that I would need some sort of help on this task. Crackels was like... a ghoul from a long time ago, when I was JUST meeting GvH and GF3, which is WHY I asked for some easier criticism. Instead, people end up doing the exact opposite. I improve CONSTANTLY, which isn't enough?

[Major Cooke]

"A long block of text which half of us probably did not read"... Another suggestion, don't put that down unless it's because the person put down unreadable gibberish. I put down that text as criticism for you to learn off of, not for you to quote me in a way which can sound disrespectful to others. Trust me, while I know better, others take this offense much harder and will slander you for it.

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Anyway... Yes, I know you can do better as shown from your access denied mod. However, if you think you are improving which does not seem like improving to others, there are many different ways to improve. I'm not putting this criticism down just for the ghouls, but anything you make in particular. Apply it to everything else on out if you find it useful, but don't just blow it off or you may only hurt yourself. I doubt you will have, because I have faith in you.

Improving in the same style which people find not working for someone, yet they continue to do so anyway, will sow seeds of doubt because the person who has yet to improve refuses to do it any other way. Consider learning through alternative methods, explore other people's wads (except for the crappy ghoul's forest 4 fanmade edition, he just copy/pasted a shitload of trees and ripped a bunch of ghouls off, AND failed to put spawning variety) and even go outside the box. Look at other action wads that have enemy replacements.

The criticism I gave earlier was also based around only trying to help you, mate. Again, just keep your head up. If you don't want to work on the ghoul or something, then just keep the criticism in mind for everything else you make so you know just what to avoid and what will be awesome. While I am quite busy, you should understand that I am quite capable of taking criticism while under heavy pressure, because it CAN help me learn how to take a load off my shoulders. Sure it's risky during those times but then I can move faster and get it done sooner, so then I can relax and enjoy the fruits of my labor.

You're a promising person dude. Its just sometimes it will benefit you if you read the valid arguments, acknowledge that you read them and understand what we are trying to get at, and then you can put down your reasoning. Like my dad used to say, "Shut up and listen, THEN you can argue."

And yes, I know I sound like an English professor or a history instructor that most would blow off, but it's how I get the pointers across to some folks who are in need of the most core-driving changes which will help make their fruits better.

[White]

You made your point. Anybody else have some decent criticism, OTHER than Major cooke?

Great stuff.