[Maps] CSCM Pack. V5c + Remixed maps (Under new management)

[Russel]

Fixed, will forward to Messatsu when he plans on updating again.

[Goomba98]

Also, can you change the thunder effect in Scarlet Devil mansion to be more like the one in Myroc Hats Dis Map from 2nd Coop? I despise the current one as it's not really consistent with the official mega Man games, and the sound used is intended more for the earth shaking.

[Rozark]

I feel like that's more of a personal preference than an actual.. problem?
I don't find anything wrong with it myself..

[Goomba98]

At most, I find the sound and the slow flashing wrong.
EDIT: Actually, just change the sound to that of the Thunder Bolt weapon. Then it'll be similar to the lightning in the original MM5's Proto Castle map.

[Fr3akGamer]

GRAVITY MAN REMIXED!! MM5GRAX!! I CALL IT!!

I'm going to use a remix I made myself. I think most of the remixes in Complete Works are shit.

I will start building tomorrow! If anyone wants to join me, feel free to ask!

[Knux]

I'm going to use a remix I made myself. I think most of the remixes in Complete Works are shit.

Regardless, your map will have the complete works version of the music because Mess wants them in. Nevermind the music, though. I hope the map isn't a square or a gigantic football field.

[Messatsu]

Well, one of the original goals was to use the complete works music in whichever stage they existed.  However, if it's a song you wrote yourself I 'might' make an exception.  It's very quality dependent though so no promises.  Mapping and music can be quite subjective, so what I say is final.

[Fr3akGamer]

Okay. In that case, guess I'm using the Complete Works version.

[MusashiAA]

Going to bump this thread to let you all know that a patch that only fixes 2 way teleport crashes was just released for this map pack: missing textures and whatnot are still missing and whatnot. Now I don't think anybody really intents on reviving this map pack project at all, but the demand for making it possible to be hosted came from the desire of preservation and nostalgia, rather than to revive and update the map pack with changes. For those interested in hosting this for whatever reason, load this after the map pack.

http://www.best-ever.org/download?file=dogman-telefix.pk3

To be safe for BE hosting, please use the CSCM modification that was used for Mapchella: it removes MM5CHAX (the supposed reason as to why CSCM was blacklisted on BE). This fix takes that modification into account. Also something about being careful with MM2DW2X.

[Russel]

CSCM wasn't added to BE's blacklisted wads because of MM5CHAX. That simply cannot be true unless it crashed with bots, as there aren't any scripts in that map specifically that would cause errors. And even then, if mods crashed with bots I don't think it would necessarily warrant blacklisting.

Personally, I think CSCM was blacklisted from BE because of the ACS it's loaded with. It has a script that kicks players who use SR50. Said script has no warning to the player using it and can be regarded as abusive of the function used to put it together.

The following listing was decompiled from CSCM.o from the acs directory in cscmremix-v5b.pk3 using ListACS:

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#include "zcommon.acs"

int map0[32] = {
"kick_idx 0 SR50",
"kick_idx 1 SR50",
"kick_idx 2 SR50",
"kick_idx 3 SR50",
"kick_idx 4 SR50",
"kick_idx 5 SR50",
"kick_idx 6 SR50",
"kick_idx 7 SR50",
"kick_idx 8 SR50",
"kick_idx 9 SR50",
"kick_idx 10 SR50",
"kick_idx 11 SR50",
"kick_idx 12 SR50",
"kick_idx 13 SR50",
"kick_idx 14 SR50",
"kick_idx 15 SR50",
"kick_idx 16 SR50",
"kick_idx 17 SR50",
"kick_idx 18 SR50",
"kick_idx 19 SR50",
"kick_idx 20 SR50",
"kick_idx 21 SR50",
"kick_idx 22 SR50",
"kick_idx 23 SR50",
"kick_idx 24 SR50",
"kick_idx 25 SR50",
"kick_idx 26 SR50",
"kick_idx 27 SR50",
"kick_idx 28 SR50",
"kick_idx 29 SR50",
"kick_idx 30 SR50",
"kick_idx 31 SR50"
};

script 320 ENTER // addr = 8, flags=0000
{
    int local0;
    if ((GetCVar("compat_clientssendfullbuttoninfo") == 0)) {
        ConsoleCommand("compat_clientssendfullbuttoninfo 1", 0, 0);
    }
    if (((GetCVar("SR50Warn") != 1) && (GetCVar("SR50Kick") != 1))) {
        Delay(35);
        restart;
    }
    if ((local0 > 25)) {
        if ((GetCVar("SR50Kick") == 1)) {
            ConsoleCommand(map0[playerNumber()], 0, 0);
        } else {
            Log(n:0, s:" is using SR50!");
        }
        local0 = 0;
    }
    if ((((GetPlayerInput(-1, 1) & 1024) && (GetPlayerInput(-1, 1) & 16384)) && (GetPlayerInput(-1, 1) & 512))) {
        local0++;
    }
    if ((((GetPlayerInput(-1, 1) & 2048) && (GetPlayerInput(-1, 1) & 32768)) && (GetPlayerInput(-1, 1) & 512))) {
        local0++;
    }
    Delay(5);
    restart;

}

As you can see by this listing, CSCM used to make use of ConsoleCommand in a manner that could be considered abusive by the developers of Zandronum and the supporters who maintain Best-Ever. As a result, the wad was blacklisted.

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If you're going to update CSCM for use on BE servers, it'd be best to know your facts before removing or revising content unnecessarily.

[MusashiAA]

The patch in question doesn't change content at all beyond fixing two way teleports: no further change was made, nor any change that heavily or passively compromised the original integrity of the map pack. The modification of CSCM for Mapchella that removed MM5CHAX and renamed the pk3 file did in fact also remove the script that kicked people who used SR50, as mentioned here.

When I asked (I didn't make this by the way, I requested it to Jax and discussed about it with Celebi if you wanted to know) why MM5CHAX was removed, I was explained that MM5CHAX might have possibly been blacklisted because of an unexplainable(?) crash that involved bots, which is or was an issue shared with the core version of the map, which in turn prevents or used to prevent bots from entering specific areas of the map: perhaps BE reacts to this automatically by blacklisting servers that crash in such fashion. This and the anti-SR50 script were the suspected reasons for the blacklist back in 2014 for Mapchella, and as such both were removed from the original v5b pk3 for safety reasons. The patch takes that modified pk3 into account.

Nothing was radically changed with this patch, it only fixes compatibility issues with two way teleports so the maps are playable for current versions of Zandronum: it's the alternate version of the pk3 that has the actual changes, and so to be as safe as possible for BE hosting, Jax took that pk3 into account. If MM5CHAX has no merits to be removed, it could be as simple as updating the patch to take MM5CHAX teleports into account, if there were any in the first place.

EDIT: IIRC, you can't host on BE with the original blacklisted pk3, so there's also that: the patch is for the secret alt pk3 that CAN be hosted on BE, which also coincidentially removed one of the maps. If we wanted to make hosting possible while also keeping MM5CHAX, then we would've just released an update...which really isn't something any of us should do except those who originally managed this map pack. Just a humble patch that works with what we've got.

[Messatsu]

Personally, I think CSCM was blacklisted from BE because of the ACS it's loaded with. It has a script that kicks players who use SR50. Said script has no warning to the player using it and can be regarded as abusive of the function used to put it together.

As I'm sure you can tell from the script, the SR50 kick is NOT automatic but rather must be toggled on by the server admin.  There's also a warning function in case the admin does not wish to kick players, but would rather know when it was occuring.  I put this in back in the Roboenza days when SR50 really could break that mode by giving some players a speed advantage.  I'm fairly certain that kick function doesn't work now anyway since there's a native ACS function for it.  Actually, that's stupid when you think about it.  Said function is 'abusive' so they put an ACS command to do exactly that,   /eyeroll.

[Upsilon]

Why hasn't this been updated to v4c yet? I know it takes time, but you're taking an ETERNITY with it!

Not to gripe though.

[MetalMasher]

great map map! love it! but, this map pack can be played in v4c? oh and some maps, for example herman map crasher after a while playing, why this happens?

[ice]

The crashing most likely happens because of the teleporter changes, Musashi posted a patch for that a few posts ago that fixes it by adding it after the map pack

http://www.best-ever.org/download?file=dogman-telefix.pk3