GVHv3b6 - Released!

[CarThief]

This is the official topic to post all feedback in about GVHv3b2 (or later) and related files.

Current version (V3B6) download links:
Wadhost: http://wadhost.fathax.com/request.php?307
BE: http://static.best-ever.org/wads/gvhv3b6.pk3
http://static.best-ever.org/wads/gvhv3b ... battle.pk3
http://static.best-ever.org/wads/gvhv3b ... -santa.pk3

Previous version:
http://wadhost.fathax.com/download.php?view.34 (Contains Yurei Battle and Santa as well.)

Previous betas:

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GVH: http://oblacek.sh.cvut.cz/bin/GVHv3b5.pk3
Santa: http://oblacek.sh.cvut.cz/bin/GVHv3b4-santa.pk3
Yurei Battle: http://oblacek.sh.cvut.cz/bin/GVHv3b4-yurei-battle.pk3

http://wadhost.fathax.com/files/GVHv3b4.zip
http://wadhost.fathax.com/files/GVHv3b4-CTF.zip
http://wadhost.fathax.com/files/GVHv3b4-rainbow.zip

http://wadhost.fathax.com/files/GVHv3b3.zip
http://wadhost.fathax.com/files/GVHv3b3hotfix.zip(needed for proper hosting of v3b3)

http://wadhost.fathax.com/files/GVHv3b2.zip
http://wadhost.fathax.com/files/GVHv3b2-rainbowv2.zip (updated)

http://wadhost.fathax.com/files/gvhv3b2-beta.zip
http://wadhost.fathax.com/files/gvhv3b2-santa-beta.zip

Here's the changelist:

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Humans:
-Engineer: Saw Traps have 75% chance to drop as ammo when broken/expired.
-Engineer: Fired Saws will now become ammo instead of traps, and pierce armor.
-Engineer: Now starts with 30 saws. Altfire creates Traps (max 15 per engineer).
-Engineer: Fired Saws damage formula changed: random(17,18), (remember, they hit multiple times)
(They also seem to hurt stationary targets alot more then moving ones.)
-Cyborg: New fuel system, lower Fuel cap, but regenerates to 75.
-Cyborg: Plasma damage reworked to formula: random(16-28) per hit.
-Ghostbuster: Proton Pack rate of fire slightly reduced.
-Ghostbuster: Small damage reduction on Ice weapon. Reduced ammo usage.
-Ghostbuster: Weapons upgrades given Mega-Man style! Can swap freely between them.
-Ghostbuster: UseInventory button sacrifices currently held upgrade weapon for ammo.
-Ghostbuster: Altfire now switches to Ghost Traps instead.
-Hunter: Normal Bow made slightly slower, slows user down minimally.
-Hunter: Normal Arrows do 35 damage on Sjas, 41 on Jitterskull.
-Hunter: Now starts with 40 arrows by default.
-Hunter: Lightning bow replaced with a new one that shoots a initially low-damage
projectile, which powers up as it moves to its target. Worse then normal arrows at
short range, but stronger then other attacks at longer range. Goes up to 60 damage.

Ghouls:
-Sjas: Minor range increase.
-Jitterskull: Nerfed range if having moved recently.
-Jitterskull: x2 blood recovery. Faster normal recovery.
-Jitterskull: Now passes through Creepers and Jitterskulls, no more unwanted creeper blocking.
-Jitterskull: Now takes 1.3 damage from lightning instead of 1.6. Still takes 1.6 damage from railguns.
-Creeper: Now passes through Jitterskulls and Creepers as well.
-Creeper: Altfire hits no longer gets accuracy medals that would otherwise reveal his position.
-Choke: Small range increase to: 58. Even more fixes to bloodball animation.
-Choke: Satan's Sniper achievement no longer stops working when Santa is added.
S. Sniper also no longer triggers when you shoot a Bloodball really far, then kill w/ Munch or close-range balls.
-Frost Bite: Fixed armor-related bugs. Can now bite even without ammo for Breath.

Other:
-A very few map changes (see below), also replaced a rather poor map with a better one.
-Compatflags are now handled automatically unless gvh_dontforcecompat is set to true.
-sv_useteamstartsindm will be enforced by default unless disabled with gvh_dontforceteamspawn.
-The Titlemap will automatically set gvh_incampaign to true which changes some settings for better gameplay in campaign.
-Added an keybind to display class information, similar to the achievement list.
It should hopefully prove handy to give newbies an idea what each class does. (Just dont mind the shitty image quality)
-Class info/Achievement List no longer triggers when not identifying the class.
(It checks for certain weapons, so it wont work in Yurei Battle, as it replaces weapons.)
-Gave Arrow and Saw ammo drops larger pickup radius.
-Cyborg/Ghostbuster: Added a message about useinventory on respawn/enter per session.
-Various changes to bots (see below).
-Trap-Tastic now requires 4 kills.
-Changing music for TDM requires Fraglimit to be at 6 or higher.
-Added minimum requirement of 3 or more winlimit before the special TLMS last round music can play.
-Fixed music changes happening when they shouldn't.
-No longer clears previously added bots anymore.
-Team Boost Mechanic: Team balancer that boosts stats of the smaller team. This is to discourage stacking teams.
-Team Boosts in Team Deathmatch will wait for a moment before it checks the teams.
-Slight changes to Campaign to generally improve it, and the AI in some maps.
-Added notifications to the anti-cheat scripts, allowing use of models for clients now functions as intended.
-More strict anti-cheat scripts, so it shouldn't spam the server log with messages.
-Changed Lightning Mastery requirements to killing 3 Ghouls at long range.
-Hunter's arrows, Saws and Hollies now have +SKYEXPLODE (They'll 'hit' the sky, instead of disappear).
-Optimized various HUD messages so they look better with various HUD bar settings.
(No more text being compressed by a large HUD bar, wouldnt know anyone who uses that stuff, though...)

Maps:
-New map: Replaced old GVH37(Mountainside Storage Facility) with a new GVH37 (Downtown Night).
-GVH01: The intro message now triggers on Open instead of Enter, like all the other maps.
-GVH31 & GVH32: Intro messages have been added (they didnt have any).
-GVH39: Changed intro message from Russian (i think) to English.

Bot-only changes:
-All Human bots: Retreats on damage. Will stay further away.
-Frostbite: Now can use normal breath during gvh_advancedbots.
-Frostbite: The 'shotgun breath' is now a Super weapon instead.
-Cyborg: May randomly dash into any direction when damaged.
-Cyborg & GhostBuster: Will make distance when out of ammo.
-Sjas: Far more agressive during gvh_advancedbots/gvh_superbots.
-Choke: Bot animations for the (Super) Bloodball hopefully fixed.
-Jitterskull: Super Bot version nerfed; longer delay after super, blood delay.
-Human Bots: Now have gvh_botstayaway and gvh_botstayawaymore flags to always run
off and stay away even when not hurt. Like, you know, actual humans. :P

Yurei Battle:
-No more ghouls allowed in the arena. Again. (Dont use random!)
-LOTS of bugfixing. Monster should be less blind now. No more infinite looping monster spawning?
-Flashing on the HUD should work properly again, as well, for in-game players.
-Autosaving works (again?) for Campaign mode. Autosave for Finale also added.
-Ghostbusters can only gain a weapon from a killed ghoul once. No ammo refills on kill.
-Dieing as a Ghostbuster while holding fire on Bone Cannon no longer bugs ammo regen.
-Flame Vortex: Now has a startup moment to make it more fair. And a duration limit.
-Made some Hard Mode attacks a bit more fair.
-The white screen ending in singleplayer now doesnt take forever to finish. Ending works properly now too.

Santa:
-Updated Santa to work with the team-boosting mechanic.
-Now can make use of the improved bot AI as well.
-Santa should now stop flickering all the time in the select screen.
-Hollies can only be picked up by Santa's now. Fixed gaining too much Holly ammo. Will hit skies instead of disappearing into them.
-Santa no longer picks up Saws anymore.
-Also comes with a class information page. (Now in even worse image quality! - I cant help it, graphics aren't my thing... :P)

GVH is still subject to change, and feedback is highly encouraged as it will make things a little easier, as not all things can be succesfully tested on bots. :P

Please put any bugs you see in here as well with if possible, an image (ImageShack is exellent for image hosting), and all the details you can offer, such as (if that applies) how a bug is reproduced, where on the map the bug is (you can turn on the map overlay or make a second screenshot of the in-game map), and anything else important.

Though if im around in a game of GVH i guess you could give me any bugs and/or feedback there as well. This topic will do fine for any questions as well. And its highly appreciated if people host it so i can get alot more feedback. I'll probaly host this frequently as long as it needs testing.
Edit: Well this topic should work out for feedback about the official release too.

[CarThief]

Hmm... What happened to your post LlamaHombre? I'll post my reply anyway.

Hey dont complain untill you've tested it, its not THAT bad, thats why it needs testing, alot of it! Trust me... Heck he's my favourite class and im really good with him as well, i know what im doing. If all else fails some changes can get reverted to normal, its still a beta.

Hope i didnt click anything unintentionally...

[LlamaHombre]

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Global:
-Achievements have been fixed and should work correctly.
Cool.
-Setting 'timidity_byteswap' to true should disable Creeper pop ups. They are enabled by default, still.
This will not interfere with the mechanic at all if disabled. This is a client-side setting. Like how loud you put your music.
YES! YES! YES!

Humans:
-Marine now has 250 Machinegun ammo.
Ken would like this.
-Cyborg's Jetpack dash no longer makes him invulnerable at some points.
A good nerf, I never noticed it.
-Engineer's Nailgun now does a bit less damage but is faster. Altfire damage reduced a bit.
Okay?
-GhostBuster: Ammo reduced to 150, ammo costs ajusted accordingly, Blood Spreader deals less damage.
Good, ghostbuster needed a nerf.
-Hunter: Lightning bow deals slightly less damage to some ghouls, and now has a longer cooldown after use.
There goes my fun.
-Hunter: Normal bow now enables the Hunter to fire a free arrow that is drawn incredibily slowly and doesnt spawn ammo.
Nice!
-Santa: Snowgun altfire ajusted. Main fire made slightly faster with less damage like the Engineer's.
Good, but Santa needs to be as powerful as the engineer.
-Santa: Archievements dug up from old times have been added!
Cool?

Ghouls:
-Jitterskull has his attack range reduced and a longer cooldown after missing.
Fuck.
This needs good testing vs human opponents, along with some Human changes.

Other:
-Various things fixed. Box trap in the Docks now is escapable.
Never noticed, but nice fix.
-Fixed some missing textures. Tell me if you find any!
Alrighty then!

EDIT: Just to let you know, I deleted my post to make this list of opinions.

Jitterskull is my favorite class as well, because he was the easiest class to aim with!

Hopefully he still is, because I can't test right now!

[CarThief]

Oh, and with slightly less damage more specifically i mean Jitterskull on full HP takes hmm... I think 2 hits before dieing, leaving him at a measely 10ish hp. Frostbite takes less damage but still dies on the same amount of hits like before. Requiring Hunters to change their tactics a little to not have a guaranteed Jitter obliterating tactic, weaknesses are fine, but it got a little overboard considering attacking is his weakness in that aspect.

Now this just needs a fair bit of testing, i've already put up a server. :P

[CutmanMike]

If Jitterskull takes more than 2 lightning arrows, Hunters are screwed! I'm surprised you nerfed Jitterskull of all things though, maybe that will balance it out..

[LlamaHombre]

If Frostbite is weak to fire, Jitter ought to be weak to ice or something.

[CarThief]

Only works on full HP, if its really that bad, it can be changed, but i'd rather test this first.

Edit: So far so good on the results in-game. Though there havent been any Lightning using Hunters around much who aim atleast half-decently. Neither any Hunter vs Jitter on top tier levels goin' on yet.
More feedback is always welcome if any change is wished at all, because i'll probaly leave it as is to some extent if no feedback gets provided!

Oh, and 2-hit kills on a Jitter with a railgun on any range just seems... Eh... Poor Jitterskull. Throwing in a ice or fire arrow to finish it off seems better, either that or have a teammate wound it. Its a team(work) game after all.

[Meepy!-*Ivan!*]

... I'm afraid of what GVH could become... I hope these changes help "balancing" the game... Really...
I'm afraid of Hunter/Jitterskull being so hard to use... since it seems like their attacks (the most I use: lightning) are hard to use now... I mean maybe they need more timing, which makes me suck with it cause I always have 1 sec delay...
So ping/hitscan > anything u.u But everything happens for good reasons (? Anyway I'm sure this will improve the gameplay

[bluewiz]

You need to do something about sjas and sr50. It's pretty op combined with sjas's massive damaging screams.

Also, about the maps some of them need to be removed or revamped. Namely GvH40 and the two maps you made. The thing wrong with GvH40 is that it's TOO GOD DAMN BIG. Like seriously, that map is a trolling creepers paradise. The things wrong with your two maps is that they look exactly the same, there's nothing unique about them. Except one of them has a messed up skybox. Overall, I think you should really consider removing some of the newer maps seeing as most of the playerbase don't like them.

[CarThief]

Hmm... Yes couldnt think of much about Sjas without crippling him in the process. Though someone suggested a longer cooldown on his scream attack after use, kinda what i did on the Hunter's Lightning bow. Hm... Who knows, he needs all his qualities yet they can be too much.

As for the maps, meh, no idea about removing any, doesnt seem too needed. Though the skybox thing was probaly her doing long time ago, in a half-decent server there should be mapvotes possibily (unless of course they think people are going to abuse it).
I've never seen GVH40 be that much of a problematic map regarding Creepers, its just hard to navigate sometimes. Im not even sure if its entirely my business to remove maps other people voluntairly made for GVH, speaking of, i'll definetly need to fix the new White Out map with its crazy spawns.

Perhaps i should improve my older maps that she added someday, but currently im way too busy with these changes and whenever i find the time, to fix some new said to be tricky content.

[Ivory]

Well, it would be nice if you posted which maps are the "problems". I have no idea which ones are the "bad ones".

[bluewiz]

Well Carthief, my suggestion for your maps is maybe add some special "effects". Like in Skulltag's zombie horde gamemode there was that Hospital map which was boring as fuck until the creator got creative and added random stuff to it, like Uboa, Disco, etc. I just think if you do something fun like that, the map would do quite well. As for GvH40, honestly, It could be split into 3 different maps. And uhm, I don't think there would be any problem in removing that "torture" map, because I've seen it in several other wads before.

[CarThief]

It'll probaly be a long while till i edit my maps, if at all, but in GVH40's case it would end up being another Solanid map. That map due to its small size makes it VERY easy for the ghouls to overun the players, in large player amounts its a outright slaughterfest! I really dont think the map is that large, it has some choke points and teleports to bypass those, its an akward map to fight in sometimes but not that bad.

Edit: With some tactics on GVH40(ie. trap teleporters, use the choke points to hold them off), the humans can do just fine, im not even sure if i can call it human or ghoul-sided.

[Meepy!-*Ivan!*]

Now that I've tested it (specially Hunter & Jitter) I think it's nicely balanced. Engineer's nail gun & Santa's snow gun should fire faster like the OLDEST versions (buffing the damage ofc). I would make Sjas a little more invisible too and reduce the scream radius. No delays. Also, I would give Choke 1000000000 HP. Nice work!

[CarThief]

Heh, always that Choke thing. :P
Hm... As for the more serious things, no i dont think making the nails/snowballs any stronger would help with MORE firing speed. The current changes made them from 25-26 damage projectiles into the 18-19 damage range while shooting a little faster.
It effectively makes it take about 6 shots to kill something with the Engineer then most likely, better then 4, i guess. Santa shouldnt be too much different if i recall correctly (Engineer was based off him, of course, back in the day when people wanted something more serious).

As for Sjas i guess he's quite hard vs non-Cyborgs (gotta love that Jetpack, i'm sure using it well), i suppose, but any nerfs need to be thought out, he needs all his abilities to actually do something. Though there havent been that much regular humans who actually are used to dealing with Sjas i suppose.