MM8BDM v5 Public Thread - MM9 Expansion

[BiscuitSlash]

I like the direction Hornet Chaser's taken. Feels like more than just a generic homing weapon. Nice work!

I assume there won't be any item retrieval features? If there isn't then I understand. That seems hard to implement properly.

[Knux]

I'm just wondering, though. How many bees can a player stack at once?

[NemZ]

yeah, great job finding a new niche to fill.

[Superjustinbros]

Is it possible to directly run from a Hornet Chaser by strafe running?

[TheDoc]

Their speed isn't great, so you can run from them if needed, but if you try to dance around them you're most likely gonna get stung.

Yes

[Orange juice :l]

Can I swat them away with a well-placed Slash Claw backhand though

[Sonnitude]

How will Black hole bomb work? Or is that 10? I get 9 and 10 mixed up ^^;

[Megaman94]

How will Black hole bomb work? Or is that 10? I get 9 and 10 mixed up ^^;

No, that is Mega Man 9. I hope it works similar to the Galaxy Man class.

[Rozark]

It was already mentioned but I'll recap post it here.

8) How will aiming Black Hole Bomb work?

Someone brought up CBM earlier in regards to Black Hole Bomb, and yeah there are a few similarities. Control should be familiar when moving into v5, though BHB is currently delegated to more of a power archetype. There's a fine line to work with here, but just think of the bomb's center hurting a lot and let your imagination plan out from there.

[Superjustinbros]

I just hope the initial BHB doesn't have gravity before exploding like in CBM.

[HeelNavi]

Will B. Bomb absorb some projectiles ?

like magnet missiles for instance

[LlamaHombre]

Hey again Mega Man fans, today we're going over some MM9 content refinements in preparation for some upcoming larger scale updates.

Let's open things up with the QnA session.

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1) Will Hornet Chaser have item retrieval capabilities?

No, but hopefully this shouldn't be a dealbreaker with the weapon's capabilities. We designed Hornet Chaser to be closer to how Hornet Man himself used the weapon to help distinguish it a little bit from Magnet Missile and Dive Missile.

2) How many bees can a player stack at once?

Ultimately this relies on how long the bees themselves are allowed to remain active before leaving play, which is something we're going to be modifying between test sessions. On the Alpha I used to screencap the bees, they could be active for around 10 seconds or so and as a result the user would be able to stack 5 bees. In testing this proved to be overwhelming for a pursuer, so that value is getting nerfed and in turn the amount of stackable bees will be nerfed. In the final product I'd expect around 3 or 4 at a time, but we'll need to test a little bit more with this to finalize it.

3) Can you swat away the bees?

At the moment no, but this is an interesting concept. Perhaps while they're in active flight, dealing enough damage would disable them? Might bee worth playing around with.

4) Will Black Hole Bomb block projectiles?

For it to remain in a power position and still be not completely oppressive to fight against, we're not going to give it blocking properties.

All of the content I want to talk about today can be demonstrated using one map as a base.

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Some small-scale updates have been done with MM9JEW's textures, trying to work with Jewel Man's somewhat limiting palette to help address some of the visual concerns it shared with Magma Man.
Main things that were done were some darker textures added to some of the heavy-purple areas, some new green rock floors with less black and more green, and more usage of the bolted panel floors to help distinguish elevations of the purple sections.

But now for something kinda different.



We have a draft for Jewel Satellite completed, meaning aside from some number tweaks we're done with the MM9 weapons.

Jewel Satellite in MM9 was this destructive force that functioned pretty much like a better version of every other standard shield weapon in the series (at the time, Junk Shield was the sole exception). It had this neat reflective property, but aside from that its uniqueness came from just being better.
So to help us out with the creative process, we looked towards Jewel Man himself for ideas.



Functionally, Jewel Satellite is an offensive shield weapon oriented around getting within mid-to-close range to peg the opponents with projectiles.
When activated, you get a few smaller buffs like the deflection mentioned earlier and an immunity from homing. Your main goal from here is to bridge the gap between you and an opponent and hit them with any of four projectiles you get per clip.



Your satellite visual loses a shield every time you fire, allowing an opponent to gauge how many you have left before you need to bring it back up again.
Since the deflection sends incoming projectiles at an angle when they damage you (you still take damage in the process), it's best to be within a close range to limit their movements and force them into directions favorable for your jewels to take them down in.

See you all May 8th, and keep those questions coming!

[Thunderono]

I'm afraid I don't quite understand Jewel Satellite.  From your descriptions, it sounds to be Leaf Shield except with a segmented fire.  A lot of points brought up regarding it beg questioning-- can you fire it four times per shield (with one usage per clip), or do you get four uses per clip?  If it reflects projectiles and grants immunity from homing, does it run on a timer, or do you lose satellites as it gets shot?  Or maybe it autofires the jewels?  I understand that the focus is to bridge the gap, but if it grants the aforementioned buffs it sounds like it's much more effective from a retreating standpoint.  I guess I'm just struggling to understand the "Offensive" utility of a weapon like this.  I know this isn't one question but I'm very confused and let's be real there aren't that many in each QnA anyway EDIT: Llama and Freeman cleared up its utility for me, and I think llama edited the post.

Jewel man textures look pretty nice.  Glad to see you all were able to find a way to break up the monotony.  I'm not trying to rag on Jewel Satellite or anything; I'm just really confused by the description.

[Max]

jewelman looks a lot better thank you
maybe the background where the mine cart enemies go past should be black though, not purple wall

anyway

i have a question
how freaking long is this going to take
the topic is over a year old now
mm8bdm V4 was in 2014 - quite close to two years old
and you said 'almost done' at the start of march

[Hallan Parva]

when's mahvel leaf shield