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[NemZ]

Dynamo is up.  Really ugly stage to be honest, good luck with that one guys.

[Jc494]

Dynamo is up.  Really ugly stage to be honest, good luck with that one guys.

Have to agree with you there.... yuck.

[MagnetMan497]

That stage is going to be fun to texture...

[Korby]

I think it'd probably look better if the textures were darker, but I'm not sure.

Anyway, even though it may not be visually appealing to everyone, nice job.

[NitroBro]

great job with the MMV tiles, its nice to see they are done, even if i couldnt finish them

[NemZ]

At Korby's suggestion I darkened everything.  It all still looks like crap to me (literally with brown replacing the purple) but at least it's a little less glaring, I guess?

I also tweaked a few tiles while I was at it.  Not sure what the hell I was thinking earlier keeping the girders in perspective.

[NemZ]

Burner Man is done.

So MM&B guys, do you need the rest of them done as well or is that it?

[Korby]

Excellent job!

You might as well just do the rest (If you want to!)

I mean, if you don't, then they won't match and that will just be kind of weird.

[NemZ]

Well, just checking.  I was under the impression that you already had Cold, Tengu and Astro done, and I thought I recently saw someone else was doing Magic.

[Korby]

Tengu and Astro unfortunately had different tilesets, so we don't have those.

Cold is finished, yes.

No one was doing Magic, to my memory.

[NemZ]

I didn't really like the Cold Man tile sheet you had available because it didn't follow NES restrictions and had some weird color choices in places, so I went ahead and redid it anyway.  Well, that and if I did the rest it would have bugged me not to do it eventually too...

I'll probably use the stage 2 tiles for King's fortress since that's where he's actually fought.

[Galaxy Sisbro]

Actually, Cold Man tilesets follow all NES restriction, as they were made by MEND (the one who made RM7FC and RM8FC).

Also, throwing it out, some tilesets needs to be reworked in terms of shading.

[NemZ]

Also, throwing it out, some tilesets needs to be reworked in terms of shading.

Can you be more specific?

Actually, Cold Man tilesets follow all NES restriction, as they were made by MEND (the one who made RM7FC and RM8FC).

Actually no, not so much.  

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Many of these colors that don't actually show up on the NES palette.  For an easy example look at the blue/gray on the top middle and try to find it on the actual palette.  Most if not all of the other colors are slightly off as well if you check the RGB values.  Granted sometimes the colors can get a little off through conversion between different file types, but not by that much.





The NES only actually uses 3-color palettes + a background color they all have in common, usually black.  All the other tiles have black in common but the sky uses 3 shades of blue... and white.

Now, even assuming it was planned to change the palettes to denote the above/below water parts of the stage there are still some issues.  Look at the animated warning lights on the side, for example; white, orange, black (background) leaves 1 color (which is apparently being cycled).  Making the lights different colors means that this sign actually has to take up half of the 4 tile pallets the Nes can show on screen at a time all by itself.  If you look at the green (or recolored blue) tiles you'll notice that some use white and others have red for the lights, meaning that these also use 2 palettes.  How does that leave room for the grayish pipes/ladders tiles or for the bluish backgrounds?  Did you notice the spikes are using black with the sky blues, meaning it's yet another palette?

Actually knowing it's all the same guy explains why the MM#FC games make these sorts of errors all over the place if you look carefully.  Take this screenshot from the beginning of MM8fc's Aqua Man stage:



How many tile palettes are being used here?

1) sky+water
2) stones
3) pink pipes
4) green pipes
5) grey pipes
6) orange pipes

Well that's a problem, because as I said the NES can only do 4 palettes of tiles at a time.  And no, the grey/orange and pink/green pipes can't be using the same palettes because they each also use dark green/brown and white/light green for shading.  Including black that would make a 5-color palette, again soemthing the NES can't do.

I think I've made my point.  [/rant]

[Nuy]

I've been trying to say the same basic thing with the music. However all I've gotten in response was either "You're wrong", "Stop complaining", or "Its close enough". Oh well.

[NemZ]

To be fair I just went through my tiles and found a few places where mine were slightly off-color as well, specifically anywhere I used the darkest shade of gray.  I'm uploading color-corrected versions shortly.

Oddly enough, I think it actually helped Dynamo a bit.  Maybe?  Hmm.