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Title: Opinions on roleplaying in general?
Post by: CalicoRen on February 27, 2014, 05:13:42 AM
I hope this doesn't offend anyone...

One thing that seems to be extremely commonplace within the MM8BDM servers is the act of roleplaying.  Most of it is pretty harmless, but there are a few who take it to the extreme.  I once had the unpleasure of joining a server where 2 people were in the middle of roleplaying.  They were "kissing" each other and kindly asked me to leave (I think they wanted to do/say even kinkier things).  Of course I left, not wanting to see what weird stuff they were going to say.  I know RPers have garnered a bad rep among some members of the community here (I have heard stories of magical serums, people using servers to have fake sex with each other, etc).  

These days, the "hotel" servers where many of the RPers can be found tend to be the most poplulated (that, or Saxton Hale). I think it is sad to see the number of people on these hotel servers outnumber those on DM or LMS servers on a consistent basis.  What about you all?  How do you feel about RPers?
Title: Re: Opinions on roleplaying in general?
Post by: Kapus on February 27, 2014, 05:27:44 AM
Private servers dedicated for roleplaying are completely fine, and the people that want to use them shouldn't be bothered.

Bringing serious roleplaying to other servers that are for public use and kicking out regular players is bad.
Title: Re: Opinions on roleplaying in general?
Post by: TheDoc on February 27, 2014, 05:33:56 AM
I just want to start by saying I don't do RPing like that. I kill people because it's a deathmatch. Duh

Anyways, if you don't like it, you can either mute the players and/or start your own server. As much as it may disgust you, you don't have to be in that server. I've been to many hotel servers where people happily kill other people without "kinky" things happening. I have been in such a server that fits your description (I just kept killing them until they vote-kicked me but that's neither here nor there), but more often than not I don't have such trouble. If you do see things like that, start your own server or just go to another; there's almost ALWAYS multiple hotel servers up.

Bottom line: I may not agree with it, but I'm not going to persecute them for it. Leave them alone and move on.

EDIT: To Kapus's point (I've never seen this though...), if they start bringing mobs of RPs to a server and kicking everyone else out, then that's a problem. My main point was concerning you stumbling upon someone ALREADY doing that. They shouldn't be allowed to come in and dominate public servers, though
Title: Re: Opinions on roleplaying in general?
Post by: fabledfrostbrand on February 27, 2014, 06:47:39 AM
While I agree that RPers should be left alone if they go and make their own private servers, however, most of the time this isn't the case.  I remember way back when I used Best Ever to host Vanilla Duel servers-I would sometimes read the logs and what I found in one of my logs was pretty disturbing-two players (who shall go unnamed) were "sex" rping (for lack of a better term): making out, licking each other out, etc in a Vanilla Duel server I had hosted using Best Ever.  I can only imagine what would have happened if someone had tried joining the Duel server while those two were doing that *shakes head in disgust*.  Sometimes it always isn't apparent whether two people in a server are actually playing the game, or are roleplaying, unless they happen to be in a server that is designated as such.

I guess my main issue with RPers (not that I have anything against them personally), is that there are few players that actually play MM8BDM right now.  It is all too common to join a server, find that it is full of roleplayers, then leave because you actually wanted to play and not roleplay.  Even more distressing (to me personally) is seeing servers such as Giantmega's -RP- server as being one of the most populated servers.  Pretty much why I stopped playing MM8BDM; most people would rather chat and roleplay than actually play the game.   I just hope MM8BDM doesn't develop the reputation of being the best roleplaying application of all time (sarcasm).
Title: Re: Opinions on roleplaying in general?
Post by: Hallan Parva on February 27, 2014, 07:45:42 AM
Honestly it could be just your choice in servers, because until now I've actually never heard of in-game RPing being a huge thing. Like, at all.

Sure, I've seen RP servers with roughly five or six people at a time, but usually I'm too busy with Classes TLMS or some manner of Deathmatch to notice them.

To be frank I thought those dark days of lewd amateur-hour RP shenannigans were far behind us.
Title: Re: Opinions on roleplaying in general?
Post by: Knux on February 27, 2014, 02:43:52 PM
Quote from: "Kapus"
Private servers dedicated for roleplaying are completely fine, and the people that want to use them shouldn't be bothered.

Bringing serious roleplaying to other servers that are for public use and kicking out regular players is bad.
I was going to say this exact same thing. I find myself muting RPers when in  the middle of a game, so yeah, it gets annoying because I tend to read pretty much everything. And when I bring down the console to read what I missed, I tend to slap my face when I see things like that.

THINK OF THE FACES YOU'RE DAMAGING HNNNGGGFFF

...Though this thread should probably go into MM8BDM Discussion as this section is more for forum related issues.
Title: Re: Opinions on roleplaying in general?
Post by: Hilman170499 on February 27, 2014, 03:06:36 PM
Time for me to dish my opinions out:

What do you exactly mean by "roleplaying"? If it means buddies chatting with each other as if they were characters, I don't see anything wrong with that. Honestly, I tend to do that myself, but usually when I'm spectating or waiting to respawn in LMS/TLMS(man I hate llamas and why should it be a good thing?). The only time I do that while I play is when I'm in a spot where I can't get shot long enough for me to chat. If you find anything wrong with my definition of "roleplaying", why should there be a reason to disallow it? Privileges are privileges. However, one thing I agree is wrong is what was said about people who votekick others out of a public server for the sake of their "roleplaying". I also don't like it when it involves EVERYONE in an ENTIRE public server without their consent(e.x.:This other time, I was in a server, and some guy came in and said "the next guy to talk will be -", even if they are totally not interested or anything)(bandawagons are fine, but don't look down on people who do not join those).
In general, my presumed definition of "roleplaying" is fine, just don't let it get in the way of your gameplay and don't make it serious business.
Title: Re: Opinions on roleplaying in general?
Post by: CutmanMike on February 27, 2014, 05:04:09 PM
Not my thing but if you're gonna do roleplaying in xyz game, do it in a server that states it and probably password protect it. ESPECIALLY if it has cheats enabled, or you might find the server suddenly exploding.
Title: Re: Opinions on roleplaying in general?
Post by: Zard1084 on February 27, 2014, 05:06:58 PM
Quote from: "<*Hilman170499*>"
Time for me to dish my opinions out:

What do you exactly mean by "roleplaying"? If it means buddies chatting with each other as if they were characters, I don't see anything wrong with that. Honestly, I tend to do that myself, but usually when I'm spectating or waiting to respawn in LMS/TLMS(man I hate llamas and why should it be a good thing?). The only time I do that while I play is when I'm in a spot where I can't get shot long enough for me to chat. If you find anything wrong with my definition of "roleplaying", why should there be a reason to disallow it? Privileges are privileges. However, one thing I agree is wrong is what was said about people who votekick others out of a public server for the sake of their "roleplaying". I also don't like it when it involves EVERYONE in an ENTIRE public server without their consent(e.x.:This other time, I was in a server, and some guy came in and said "the next guy to talk will be -", even if they are totally not interested or anything)(bandawagons are fine, but don't look down on people who do not join those).
In general, my presumed definition of "roleplaying" is fine, just don't let it get in the way of your gameplay and don't make it serious business.
all of this! i utterly hate when i kicked out of a server just because they want to role-play in that server! if it was a role-play server i'd understand. but a normal server that everyone wants to play on? oh hell no!
Title: Re: Opinions on roleplaying in general?
Post by: The Killer Nacho on February 28, 2014, 01:35:59 AM
I hate RP in general for 8BDM because there are much better games to do it on. While I can use the "ignore" function in Zand to deal with obnoxious chat, it really gets on my nerves when roleplayers treat gameplay as a complete joke, joining the game and then choosing to chat over firing a shot. Really gets annoying when everyone's sitting on chat replying to a certain roleplayers, getting killed left and right, feeding kills and screwing teammates. The problem to me goes beyond their chat: it affects the gameplay of the server.
Title: Re: Opinions on roleplaying in general?
Post by: fabledfrostbrand on February 28, 2014, 07:21:56 AM
Exactly! There are many applications/games that are way better suited for roleplaying than MM8BDM.  Seriously, I have no idea why these people don't just do this RP stuff over skype (it can't be too hard to do that, can it?).   While I do agree that RP has been less of an issue recently than it has been in the past, it still bothers me that people can't be bothered to make their own servers and password lock them if they want to RP.  And please, don't use Best Ever to host these RP servers, have some respect for the people that maintain and host these servers for goodness sake.  There was a nice period when the queen (king?) of all RP was gone, but now she (he?) is back and has her (his?) own RP server (with BE no less), so yeah...then there's that weird person who usually goes by the name of Yuno Gasai who loves to RP in game...

At the very least, we had a good number of people showing up at a 4-team Classes LMS tonight.  Wish we could generate that amount of players all the time, but for now I'll take it.  Even if some of the people there love hearing the sound of their voice waaaay too often.
Title: Re: Opinions on roleplaying in general?
Post by: Dr. Crasger on February 28, 2014, 01:36:41 PM
Ah, RPing, of the sexual kind (or any kind for that matter). I remember when it hindered me from playing. There was a whole group of them, discussing their emotional issues or something. Kept asking me to leave. Besides RPing they just discuss their virtual social lives, over 8BDM. It was a fun thing to look at, spectate, watch; in times when I was really rather bored, I would intrude over the once notorious group of people who just came to servers for RP and read their chat. Then that group suddenly started playing less and less, they were seen less on the servers.

It would seem that they're back. Oh boy.
Title: Re: Opinions on roleplaying in general?
Post by: King Dumb on February 28, 2014, 04:07:22 PM
I think this topic is largely useless. There is nothing Cutstuff can do about users choosing to roleplay in MM8BDM servers, private or not. Don't get me wrong, I instantly ignore roleplayers in servers I want to play in and think the fact that they choose to enter public servers where actual gameplay is occurring rather than private servers is detestable, but there is little more anyone can do or say here than that.

As far as "why would you roleplay in MM8BDM", that's not really for us to decide; if they want to roleplay in MM8BDM, then, for whatever reason, they want to do that. Concerning roleplaying in public servers (meaning, servers that are not password-protected and designated for roleplay) is a nuisance, yes, but complaining about it on the forums is pointless for two reasons.

1) Again, no action can be taken from this end, directly. All you can do is ignore the roleplayers, kick them from the public server in question, or move to a different server (there are plenty out there thanks to Best-Ever).

2) Most of the roleplayers that show up frequently nowadays are not active (or even inactive) members of Cutstuff. Even if they are, they hardly ever/never make their presence known. And, even if those users that tend to roleplay were to see this thread and enter into the discussion, condition (1) means that it is unlikely anything productive will come from the ensuing confrontation.

Actually, the best course of action when one sees roleplayers in public servers is to politely request them to move to one of the designated roleplaying servers. If they don't comply, then follow up with your ignore and, if they are taking up space for players who may want to play (such as if a server is close to full), a kick.

After everything I have said, all this thread can amount to now is a virtually one-sided rant against a group of people, with little to no potential for additional productivity.
Title: Re: Opinions on roleplaying in general?
Post by: The Killer Nacho on March 01, 2014, 05:13:47 AM
Well, the thread topic is "Opinion on roleplaying in general?" so he could just be curious if he's not alone in disliking RP. The rest of your points are valid though.
Title: Re: Opinions on roleplaying in general?
Post by: Dr. Crasger on March 01, 2014, 12:19:01 PM
I largely agree with King Dumb's argument.
Title: Dragons.
Post by: Mendez on March 01, 2014, 07:20:42 PM
I would say take RP to Skype where you can roleplay in absolute peace. I remember telling a group of RPers to do that and then one of them it was impossible because one of them didn't have Skype. It's free and doesn't require a supercomputer to run, so I would suggest that or any other IM client that people feel comfortable with. Also, it's much easier to form groups where everybody can be around to RP together or keep archives of all the crazy cybersex those folks are into, if that's their thing.
Title: Re: Opinions on roleplaying in general?
Post by: CarThief on March 01, 2014, 07:43:10 PM
I'd have to say, Skype is hardly the most private place to chat given how from what i've heard all text and links are checked by Microsoft, which will gladly bend over for the NSA or other spy groups of governments, so yeah... Dont know if they record any voice chat as well, but i'd imagine they got around to that as well by now.

But back on topic, meh, cant say i have much against em, i think i see the servers sometimes if its those DM servers on the hotel map they like to host, but a quick look at the scoreboard tells me people are more interest in mindless fragging then roleplaying, you'd think they would be hosting co-op servers instead.
I guess as long as they got their own servers to do their (undoubtedly devious in nature, half the time) things, there isnt much of an issue.
Title: Re: Opinions on roleplaying in general?
Post by: The Killer Nacho on March 02, 2014, 08:17:48 PM
I have a problem with the idea that roleplayers might have an issue with the slim chance that of the NSA actually caring about them, yet they don't seem too private in kicking players from vanilla DM servers and flooding the chat in a very public manner.
Title: Re: Opinions on roleplaying in general?
Post by: fabledfrostbrand on March 10, 2014, 06:36:35 AM
Quote from: "Dr. Crasger"
Ah, RPing, of the sexual kind (or any kind for that matter). I remember when it hindered me from playing. There was a whole group of them, discussing their emotional issues or something. Kept asking me to leave. Besides RPing they just discuss their virtual social lives, over 8BDM. It was a fun thing to look at, spectate, watch; in times when I was really rather bored, I would intrude over the once notorious group of people who just came to servers for RP and read their chat. Then that group suddenly started playing less and less, they were seen less on the servers.

It would seem that they're back. Oh boy.

Yepperz.  GM and her crew are back.  Though it looks like her "love" Azure isn't on as much, which leads me to believe they "broke up" (yeahhh, I have tons of reasons why I think that is the case, but I'd rather not say =X).  Oh well, the peace was nice while it lasted. As long as they keep all their emotional/relationship drama/kinky RPing off the servers, things won't be too bad I guess.

And yes, it would be easy enough for them to get Skype.  Refusing to get Skype seems to suggest they have something about their identity that they wish to hide...
Title: Re: Opinions on roleplaying in general?
Post by: OtakuAlex on March 10, 2014, 09:44:42 AM
Quote from: "fabledfrostbrand"
Though it looks like her "love" Azure isn't on as much, which leads me to believe they "broke up" (yeahhh, I have tons of reasons why I think that is the case, but I'd rather not say =X).


IIRC, they did break up after a bit.

Also, on the subject of the thread,  don't see much of an issue with RP'ers as long as they are in a private server or are there for more than just RP'ing. If they are in a public server, I see no issue as long as they play and actually have a reason to be in that specific server.
Title: Re: Opinions on roleplaying in general?
Post by: Hilman170499 on March 12, 2014, 01:38:53 PM
Quote from: "OtakuAlex"
or are there for more than just RP'ing. If they are in a public server, I see no issue as long as they play and actually have a reason to be in that specific server.
Uh, no offence, but was that similar to what I said in a nutshell? Good to know that someone else is on my side although the debate is starting to go against my favour.

Slightly offtopic: To make my presumed defnition of "roleplaying" in my previous post here even clearer, here is an example:
Quote
*A shoots B.
*B reacts.
*B shoots back.
*A reacts with a finishing move.
*B somehow parries it and dishes out a more powerful attack.
Title: most pointless post ever, I have kind of made it
Post by: Ceridran on March 12, 2014, 02:04:16 PM
Quote from: "<*Hilman170499*>"
Slightly offtopic: To make my presumed defnition of "roleplaying" in my previous post here even clearer, here is an example:
Quote
*A shoots B.
*B reacts.
*B shoots back.
*A reacts with a finishing move.
*B somehow parries it and dishes out a more powerful attack.

How did B react to the bullet so quickly? When B shot back, what did A do? Nothing? Looks like he just went in and used his finishing move so blindly that B parries it and delivers an att-- what? More powerful attack? A finishing move parried for a stronger attack, what is this? What did he do the finishing move with? Are they using guns, bows, gunswords, bladed bows, different weapons, when did they switch around their weapons if they had to, wh--

Okay, maybe I'm taking this too far, as it's just a small example, but.. here, have a good example-- though, not a battle scene. While this isn't mine, I asked the creator of the post if he would be fine with me using this as an example.

(click to show/hide)

May I note, you can't easily do something like this in a server or skype.
Roleplay should probably be kept away from skype under most circumstances.
Title: Re: Opinions on roleplaying in general?
Post by: Hilman170499 on March 12, 2014, 03:23:31 PM
Uh... I mean this definition.
Quote from: "<*Hilman170499*>"
buddies chatting with each other as if they were characters.
...and to be specific, in MM8BDM.

Also, that rough example was what the MM8BDM chat log would look like when this "roleplaying" happens.

Also, recapping my opinion, anyone can "roleplay" in MM8BDM public servers(like I said, I sometimes do it too) as long as they never take it for granted. The kinds of opinions that go 'against my favour' are stuff along the lines of "Roleplaying in public MM8BDM severs is disliked", "Roleplay ONLY in private servers", "People should never roleplay in MM8BDM", "If you want to roleplay, only do it in Skype", and anything alike. Of course, that's not exactly what you all said. With that said, I hope privileges open up a bit more and therefore retains harmony.
Title: Re: Opinions on roleplaying in general?
Post by: Ceridran on March 12, 2014, 04:08:01 PM
Silly of me, correcting a rough example. Still though, I tried to find something that provides a good example of what roleplay should look like.
Title: Re: Opinions on roleplaying in general?
Post by: OtakuAlex on March 12, 2014, 05:30:12 PM
Quote from: "<*Hilman170499*>"
Uh, no offence, but was that similar to what I said in a nutshell? Good to know that someone else is on my side although the debate is starting to go against my favour.

I actually didn't see your post. I (just) went back and read it, and I suppose they do sorta deliver a similar message.
Title: Re: Opinions on roleplaying in general?
Post by: Blutorus on March 17, 2014, 01:55:59 AM
I really don't see harm in RPing in general, until it gets sexual or something else stupid that ruins the gameplay experience.
Title: Re: Opinions on roleplaying in general?
Post by: fabledfrostbrand on March 31, 2014, 05:22:57 AM
Sure, its easy enough to use the ignore function on these RPers, but lets say you have the following scenario:
A server with 10-15 people, with 2 of them being RPers.  Why should the remaining 8-13 people have to use the ignore function on the 2 RPers, when the 2 RPers can just move to one of the many hotel/RP servers?  Talk about inconsiderate and annoying.  Even if you ask them to leave, they get all hissy about it and continue to RP anyway.  Sheesh.  Only when you threaten to kick them do they actually get their affairs in order.

And lo, and behold, we have another RPer who RPs whenever/whererver they feel like.  Goes by the name of "Melissa"/"Yuno Gasai"/whatever.  I seriously don't get why all these RPers try to pass themselves as female, I mean, come on, who are they really fooling?  Do you really think any ACTUAL self respecting female would go on to the MM8BDM servers and engage in kinky RPs/any kind of RP in general?  I'd hate to say this, but chances are these people are probably some very bored and possibly disturbed males...

Just be careful who you associate yourself with on the MM8BDM servers.  Sure, for the most part these RPs start off harmless enough, but that can be said of most things that appear harmless at first glance.  We certainly don't want any drama, especially of the Azure Sky/Giantmega kind...

EDIT: looks like Giantmega finally figured out how to set up a passworded server for his RP shennanigans with Melissa.  Guess Melissa is the new "Azure Sky"? =X Well, at least now maybe we won't have to deal with them RPing in a non-RP sever anymore.  I feel sorry for Lobs though, they picked his Lobstacle course to make their private RP server with. D:  Poor Lobstacle course doesn't deserve to get defiled with whatever weird/kinky RPs they are going to do...

EDIT2: example of drama that should really be left for Skype/IRC/Steam/etc
(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Opinions on roleplaying in general?
Post by: Hunter Frags on April 24, 2014, 07:03:39 AM
Quote from: "fabledfrostbrand"

And lo, and behold, we have another RPer who RPs whenever/whererver they feel like.  Goes by the name of "Melissa"/"Yuno Gasai"/whatever.  I seriously don't get why all these RPers try to pass themselves as female, I mean, come on, who are they really fooling?  Do you really think any ACTUAL self respecting female would go on to the MM8BDM servers and engage in kinky RPs/any kind of RP in general?  I'd hate to say this, but chances are these people are probably some very bored and possibly disturbed males...

Just be careful who you associate yourself with on the MM8BDM servers.  Sure, for the most part these RPs start off harmless enough, but that can be said of most things that appear harmless at first glance.  We certainly don't want any drama, especially of the Azure Sky/Giantmega kind...

EDIT: looks like Giantmega finally figured out how to set up a passworded server for his RP shennanigans with Melissa.  Guess Melissa is the new "Azure Sky"? =X Well, at least now maybe we won't have to deal with them RPing in a non-RP sever anymore.  I feel sorry for Lobs though, they picked his Lobstacle course to make their private RP server with. D:  Poor Lobstacle course doesn't deserve to get defiled with whatever weird/kinky RPs they are going to do...

EDIT2: example of drama that should really be left for Skype/IRC/Steam/etc
(click to show/hide)

... A huge wow at that server chat (looks like there's supposed to be more to it, though, although ik you just brought this for a point).

Anyway, as some or most of the people around know, I used to be involved in this 'group'. Although, what I've done most of the time was just watch those two, as well as some others, doing their RP stuff, but I'm not saying I haven't had my moments of drama and stupidity or haven't tried any RP'ing in my time on 8BDM (although I sucked at it back then, and I sure as hell haven't RPsexed with anyone).

I've pretty much been around through most of all the drama that was caused by them as well as others. I could easily tell you what went on in the servers back then as well as who was there. If it wasn't GM.EXE getting all depressed, making death-threats and stuff, it was one Giga ZX/Raging Fire lying about dead family members, acting like 'she's' seen demon-ghost things (yeah, ghosts), or faking irl suicide for Azure's attention (If anyone's got a hold of ANY chatlog with something like this involved, I would love to see it just for lulz). Wow, those two 'girl's sound so much alike. :/

Today, I'm pretty much being just an average player on 8BDM, helping in projects, minding my own business, keeping out of anything that might lead to serious brain damage, but hey, doesn't mean I'm not ever friendly : ). Luckily, all of that has come and gone. GM these days is more or less 'just there' than anything, Azure's not on as much to at all anymore, and on a side note, anyone remember that kid Thunder who used the name 'Death' on servers whenever he was pissed? If not, then nevermind.

Although Melissa exists and causes grief on servers these days, just remember: at least this isn't the worst that's ever happened. Just saying, but yeah, he's still a pain.
Title: Re: Opinions on roleplaying in general?
Post by: SmashTheEchidna on April 24, 2014, 07:56:11 AM
Okay no. I'm not gonna comment on the actual roleplay quotes themselves, but if someone wants to be referred to as a girl, just let them. You don't know that they're male or not, so just take their word for it. I happen to know plenty of self-respecting girls who like to RP. (Not the 'kinky' kind.) And they aren't disturbed males at all. So yeah, I happen to take offense to that remark on their behalf.

Why is this thread even still alive? This is pretty much becoming another Cyberbullies issue: All you guys can really do is complain and potentially offend others. What happens in the servers doesn't really concern the forums anyway.
Title: Re: Opinions on roleplaying in general?
Post by: Dr. Crasger on April 24, 2014, 08:38:08 AM
Smash has a point.

This place is becoming a place to vent some steam about other players. There's no place for that here.
Title: Re: Opinions on roleplaying in general?
Post by: LlamaHombre on April 24, 2014, 09:46:53 AM
Not exactly sure how this lived longer than the first page to be honest.
That being said, everything's been said that needs to be said, so