MM8BDM V6 - Released!

[Promestein]

Yo

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the Evil Star and Ra Moon battles were absolutely sick. All the new maps are great. Bang-up job, guys. Gonna go grind bolts to get all those weapons now.

[Bill_Rizer]

Just wanted to say congrats on the release of v6. It's been almost 3 years since last time I played this game I lost all my saves from previous versions, can't wait to go through it all over again!

[Dogcheese]

I haven't played this game in something like 7-8 years but major kudos to yall for still updating it. The fact that this is still going gives me some hope for the world

[SCA]

for some reason, when i try to play it, avast detects that is infected with filerepmalware, does anyone know about this?

[bass44]

Been playing since v2, it's so amazing how far this project has been going.
Honestly most people would have given up by v3 because of it's sheer size.

[CutmanMike]

for some reason, when i try to play it, avast detects that is infected with filerepmalware, does anyone know about this?

This happened with V5 when it first came out too. Probably due to the launcher code getting updated. If you can't get around it, you can use V5C's launcher to point to the new MM8BDM V6 pk3 in the configuration tab.

[Laggy Blazko]

Very nice update. Lots of cool new stuff. Final boss sucks.

[LlamaHombre]

All of the hype and excitement yesterday made for one of the best days of my life. Thank you all so much for your patience and I'm really glad to be able to share all of this with you at long last.

I made a lot for V6, which surprised me a lot considering I started this expansion with not all that much on this plate. MM10COM and MM10DW3 are my two biggest contributions, but some of you may have noticed my name in some of the more spoiler-y singleplayer map stuff too. It was a lot of fun making stuff like that, and I hope you'll remember those setpieces!

Happy 10 years to MM8BDM, and I hope to be here with it for many many more!

[Bitblocker]

AAAAAH I CAN'T DO THE ESCAPING PART IN THE WILY STAR!!! Anybody got a useful map?

[Lancelot_knightmann]

First of all, the update has been awesome. Will there by any update after (in decades if not yaers)?

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After defeating the final boss, Eclipse, you get the credits and final.

Should no more updates take place thereafter, it would be wise to say Final (or V(f)).

If it is the final version, press f to pay respects

[Jedimaster76]

Just finished! (I'm still missing 2 weapons for the Weapon Checklist)

But I was looking through the changelog and it appears that you guys didn't mention that Concrete Shot was replaced by Break Dash in MM3TOP\

Just though I'd let you know

Great Job with v6

[Gothic]

This has to be the best update for this game, two whole campaigns, the Stardroids getting the love they deserve...

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Ra Moon getting a spot in the plot as well.

And the boss fights are amazing. Congratulations to the team for a great job.

[Stardust]

Congrats to the devs behind that update ; somehow due to the imprevisible nature of game development I was expecting extra months or years of production. It's cool to also see that CMM is still here developping, after like 10 years now? '^'

The weapons are still being tweaked from their original games so they behave uniquely, I like that.

A little note : Water Balloon doesn't seem to be changed in this update, it's not mentionned in the "weapons not modified" list

A extra note : found a typo which causes a bug which makes Electric Shock OP in theory

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ES's damagetype is "ElecticShock" instead of "ElectricShock"
The main problem from that is that the player will suffer normal hitstun (75% ScaleVelocity every 3 tic) from ES instead of no hitstun

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Also it seems the interactive actors are not updated to consider MM10/V weapons, for example JunkMan's stage lava pillar or Fireman's raising pillar don't freeze on ChillSpike, TeruTeru in Cloud's stage doesn't instantly fall from ElectricShock, etc

Also, a bug which already was in v5d and that I mentionned to a dev, but it was not fixed : some charging weapons consume all your remaining ammo to shoot a lower-tier shot when you lack ammo for the upper tier
I.E Atomic Fire uncharged costs 1 ammo, and mid-charged costs 5 ammo.
If you mid-charge or fully charge AFire with 1, 2, 3 or 4 ammo then release, you'll lose that ammo and shoot a uncharged shot regardless (so basically, you consume up to 4 ammo for a 1 ammo shot)
Same happens with Wild Coil, uncharged costs 2, charged costs 5. Charging and releasing Wild Coil with 2 to 4 ammo will shoot an uncharged one and consume these 2 to 4 ammo completely

[Soundwave02]

First things first, congratu-fucking-lations for the v6 update. MM8BDM 2010-2020 . Even though i wasn't part of this community until like late-2014, i witnessed this game's growth and its ups and down, and against the odds this game prevailed and lives on.

And now feedback
Weapon updates

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The new damage update is a mixed bag, on one hand i like the damage buffs making the TTK shorter and everything feels powerful as fuck, which in turn made some parts of the campaign more tolerable, Quint dies really fast the minute you get a copywep and aim good and the new weapons are hilarious, especially the Spark Chaser which i expected to be broken as hell but turns out to be pretty mid.
On the other hand, the blanket damage increase on a lot of weapons feels like a rushed update, it's not bad mind you but i wish some weapons were individually buffed in better ways than just damage increases, and some of the new weapons feel VERY clunky:
The way how Commando Bomb redirects feel so sluggish, it should've used altfire or clicking mainfire again to redirect the bombs, i have better luck just spamming the altfire than trying to aim redirected Commando Bombs.
Electric Shock takes a MASSIVE chunk of your screen when you fire it with all the Sith Lord electricity you fire out
Photon Missile's mainfire is so awkward to use, you need godly timing and READS to hit things with the M1, it might be more viable to use in less chaotic modes like Duel but to me, this weapon is W+M2 all around the map.
Wheel Cutter takes its sweet freaking time before it starts rolling on the floor, i had better luck just using this weapon as a chainsaw when i played Deathmatch yesterday tbh.
And new Mirror Buster feels clunky at first but that weapon does WORK if you master it (at least it did for me in botmatches), and i'm glad you can at least fire a small shot even if you don't block things, my only complaint about that weapon is the lack of a HUD indication for the shield's timer like what it used to have before the rework.
 
That said, vanilla DM feels fresh and fun now despite being chaotic as hell. But then again, we're talking about DM and that mode is chaos incarnate, and so far vanilla TLMS is pretty fun too[too bad about that clutch i couldn't win at 1 hp with MMVFBOS kicking in the background].
EXTRA: Thank you for fixing the Screw Crusher losing all the bounces if they hit a ceiling, by the way. I don't know when this was done but i am glad it was done, and the same for updating and reworking some weapons like Junk Shield.

Map updates

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I really love what you lads did to the maps, the screenshots from the v6 teaser thread didn't do enough justice to the new updates and while i understand that screenshots don't show off enough, i had my standards low but i am glad i had them low because it made me adore the updated and new maps a lot.
I especially love the QoL updates like MM8FRO being made an actually fun map instead of something that makes the entire server cringe when we roll on that map. Oh and the new maps are godly but i'll address the elephant in the room, some of the new maps feel like they'd flow a LOT better if the base jumpheight was higher to take alternate routes and while the movement weapons like W.Cutter, Tornado Hold and Tornado Blow are meant to let you do that, i have my own preferences when it comes to mobility.cbm slashman is going to annihilate the new maps and i can't wait to dash around and enjoy the maps in a new point of view that'll make me love them more than i already do right now.

Sprites and skins

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The new skins look pretty but i have found some of them iffy, like Mercury's helmet spikes looking a bit too thick and his walk animation, it might be me being too used to cbm mercury's skin though so don't take it too hard. But the new swordman skin, BOY that guy runs like he's about to slice you into pieces and i LOVE it so much, shoutouts to whoever was my teammate in pub TLMS yesterday and we went flamesword-only with the swordman skin chasing the last guy on blue team.
The spritework and cutscenes were fantastic in this update and kudos to all the artists, especially whoever that drew the final boss. Speaking of

Story -MASSIVE SPOILERS DON'T CLICK IF YOU HAVEN'T BEATEN THE STORY BECAUSE I'M ABOUT TO GET INTO DEEP SPOILERS-

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As of this moment, i have beaten 99% of the game, the last trophy i need to unlock is the boss rush but i'll digress about my scrubness at marathonning all the bosses. With that out of the way, i should talk about the ugly things first
Given how the botmatches were improved by a FUCKTON in the MM10 and MMV Chapters with the roboenza, the screw collection and the bots being dedicated to their own weapons in the MMV chapter similar to how the bots behaved in the botrush before fighting Gamma is amazing, i can't stress enough how fun the botmatches were in the MM10 and MMV chapters that this shit needs to be said, the mm7 and mm8 chapters feel SO OUTDATED in comparasion, if the MM7 Chapter worked like the MMV chapter minus the screw collecting where you fight a set of bots and then the respective robot master from the mm7 map swoops in to fight you, that'd be amazing. The mm8 chapter feeling outdated is just me finding that the botmatches add nothing to the story, not even a mm8 robot master cutscene like the one in MM7FRE with freezeman and the other boys shwoing up.

Now about the GOOD stuff like the new chapters, the roboenza fights range from fun to "holy fuck how do i win" if you let the entire crowd get infected, i had to cheat Hornet Chaser when i had the misfortune of 3 bots with flight virus in mm10sol and the way how ALL the stardroids getting roboenza kicked in the Wily Star map left me in pure awe, if it wasn't for the Super Secret BFG: Dawn Breaker. I would've taken longer to beat the rest of the MMV campaign and especially Sunstar, but before i get to the final bosses i have to talk about the sweet fucking Ra Moon puzzle. 100/10, i was expecting something simple like "oh i just get the artifacts and get tele'd into rathor's fight" but no, you have to beat another puzzle and it was incredibly clever to implement the weapon collection into the story, and the best part is that you don't need single specific weapons, you can beat the puzzle with anything that lets you jump very high, block MM1FIR pillar flames or walk through spikes, and the way how the textures give you hints on which weapons you should use is SO AMAZING. Even if the alternate routes were small and probably meaningless, more options to beat something is always nice.

Now the Ra Thor and Ra Devil fights. HOLY HELL they make Quint look puny in comparasion, Ra Thor is so fast you have to react to everything he does or else you're taking big damage and he is also tanky as a mofo that you need a lot of copyweps to beat him because Mega Arm is just too slow to do damage to bosses imo, and Ra Devil is borderline impossible if you don't have AoE weapons like Rain Flush and Gravity Hold, that attack where you're getting sharked by mini blobs while Ra Devil floats around you took me a sweet day to figure out, Lightning Bolt is NOT viable to beat that phase because the lightnings won't hit the floaty Ra Devil consistently before you run out of ammo. The other attacks Ra Devil uses are very fun to do though, especially the one with the wall, i like that the pea-sized Concrete Shot cube can tank the blue blasts phase. Overall, the Ra Moon puzzle was amazing and 9/10, would be 10/10 if Rush actually behaved in MM4DIV because in the other maps where you find artifacts, rush would usually stay around to guide you to the secret, but in MM4DIV the dude just won't budge, shoutouts to the players in pub like Pegg for spoonfeeding me the answer (same for the Mega Ball position lmao, i though you had to cheat the mega ball in the mm6 botrush to get it and get the Heroic Arsenal trophy.

Now, Sunstar. This boss fight hit different, the Nova Beam attack took me a while to figure out and even when i learned how to dodge it, the dude's second phase just makes it crazier to dodge and the build up to fighting Sunstar, how he was compared to a God by Terra himself and this shit delivered, Sunstar actually felt like fighting a god and when ER's pummeled phase pulled a xenomorph on Sunstar, that was honestly just hilarious, i didn't expect that Sunstar and ER would fuse, my only issue with this is that the first encounter with it isn't a true boss fight because nothing harms him, you just wait him out until the escape sequence happens, which by the way, it was a clever way to turn the deathmatch map into some adventure themed map (again, another thing that highlights my issues with the MM7 and MM8 chapters) and the true final boss kicks in.
And HOOOOOOOLY JESUS we went from Megaman pewpew in first person to Kaiju-sized Punch-out and i loved every second of it, now if only the Gamma MK2 you pilot was renamed to Alpha and Eclipse was named Omega, that would've been kino. Fighting eclipse was just a crazy experience, the way you counterattack all of Super ER's attacks is just a work of art, although the fight kinda drags on until the second part though because of how little damage you do to him and the dark balls that knock you away take a large beating and the dude spawns a LOT of them, you need to clear those out of the way and dodge the barrages that Eclipse vomits at you at the same time, the boss fight was a massive multi-task that can tire you out. Oh and the Punch-out sections were hilarious as hell, i never thought i'd see QTE's in the Doom Engine. Shoutouts to Super ER's bulging muscles when he counters your swings though .
That said, Duo somehow talking to you and powering you up for the second phase is just a bunch of blueballs and i didn't like how Duo stays dead but you are alive anyways in the ending instead of pulling an Iron Giant and take down super ER with you and die a real hero. If Maestro somehow survived that shit because Sunstar SOMEHOW survived long enough to take you back home, then Duo could've been easily repaired repaired by motherfucking Awesomefan92 when Gamma MK-2 was built and then he sweeps in and powers you up for the second Eclipseboss phase. That could've made more sense in my opinion.

In either way, despite the iffy details about the story, the game is all around amazing and shows what a dedicated community can build in 10 years, it may not be perfect but then again, there's no such thing as true perfection, as long as it's functional, fun and engaging, it will work and bring out the best of the best

Overall

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I am hoping that the cacowards give mm8bdm another mention because this update is actually bigger than i expected and it really deserves it. A Mordeth award for the 10 years of mega busting this game has brought, again, congratulations for the release, it was worth the wait.
EXTRA: Please add Dawn Breaker to TLMS weapon rotation :').

[Max]

Congratulations on another release!

It didn't really dawn on me how long 10 years could really be until I started fighting Robo Iron Wily in psuedo-3D, ducking under his flamethrower with his arm swinging over my head or scraping debris over the stage and suddenly thought, ‘man, remember when the first boss was a wall texture that shot at you? Remember when the climax of the third campaign was just another group of bots spawning in, and the Flash Man copy had to use the Bass Buster because of how busted Time Stopper was back then? Remember when the fact that you could fight a fully functional Gamma was a total curveball?’.
Then I kinda realise, people who joined this community in their teens are in their 20s now, people who joined in their 20s have hit 30, I hope all the people I haven’t talked to in a couple years have been doing well, especially in these wack ass times! I still have some of you added on discord I think!
I remember being part of the dev team for a couple years around the MM8-MM&B/WT expansions, not that I want to claim any credit because the most I did was make a bad Clown Man skin, but the point is I think it’s when the game started to go in a really different and unique direction. It was the first time that the boss wasn’t just something taken from the main series, we had short pre-boss cutscenes, the makings of an overall plot that ran over expansions, unique music for the game! I looked up Rushjet1’s “Our Way” that Mike asked to use for the Evil Energy robot before he insisted on making a new track and it’s 9 years old. I think I remember that at one point the boss was just going to be Super Bass, imagine the parallel universe where that happened and the expansions went on to be 8 battles + a Wily stage and then a boss from the game.
Now we have unique methods of play, expansions that feel like individual games in their own right, anime cutscenes where you punch robots into the sun, and a distinct main character who I adore and have adopted as my son no take-backs i will sue

Point is I got a little mushy playing the campaign because the game’s grown so far and it’s been a constant factor in so many different people’s lives for a decade. Just think of all the people you’ve met from it because they saw an article for the upcoming SGC demo 10 years ago, or saw a trailer for v3 on Youtube in 2012, or someone sent them a video pointing out how you could fight Quint! I’m glad you’re all still working on it, I had an absolute blast playing, that stupid trophy for collecting all the weapons eluded me for so long until I found the sakugarne on Quint’s head.

Peace!