Unofficial Weapon Tiers (Updated!)

[SaviorSword]

First of all this is what the title says, this list is completely unofficial. This list is based off of opinions of others and my thoughts and opinion. Weapons will be placed in a tier list (in no particular order within same rank), and the tier is based off of usage of the weapons in DUELS. Exploits do not count forward toward the tiers. Also note that both duelist have the same range of ping and lag.

Any thoughts are appreciated, so the tier list can be more and more “accurate”.

S:
None!

A:

+Atomic Fire
+Ballade Cracker (S)
Top Spin
Silver Tomahawk
-Thunder Beam
-Magnet Missile (S-) (A+)
-Yamato Spear

B:
+Rolling Cutter
+Super Arm (C+) (B)
+Leaf Shield
+Pharaoh Shot (S-) (C+)
+Gravity Hold (S-) (C+)
+Blizzard Attack (C-)
Metal Blade
Hard Knuckle
Ring Boomerang (C+)
Dust Crusher (D+) (C+)
Skull Barrier (A)
Gyro Attack (A) (C+)
Charge Kick (B-)
Water Wave
Star Crash
Crystal Eye
Knight Crush (S)
Plant Barrier (C-)
Slash Claw
Noise Crush
Bass Buster
Triple Blade
-Ice Slasher (C+)
-Crash Bomb
-Quick Boomerang (C-)
-Shadow Blade
-Centaur Flash (C) (C+)
-Danger Wrap (C+)
-Thunder Bolt
-Junk Shield (S+)
-Scorch Wheel
-Mirror Buster

C:
+Fire Storm (B)
+Air Shooter
+Bubble Lead (C)
+Needle Cannon
+Drill Bomb (B) (B-)
+Power Stone (D) (B+) (B)
+Wild Coil (A-)
+Noise Crush (B)
Gemini Laser (C) (C-)
Rain Flush
Napalm Bomb
Flame Blast
Screw Crusher
Freeze Cracker
-Mega Buster (C)
-Hyper Bomb (C)
-Wind Storm (C+)

D:
Spark Shock
Search Snake
Sakugarne

E:
Dive Missile

F:
Flash Stopper

Remember that all weapons should not be in one tier to be “perfectly balanced”. Every FPS has their weak weapons and strong weapons.

Explanations/reasoning for each weapon is ordered mostly by game.

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Mega Buster: C-

This is your standard average infinite weapon. The only thing that this weapon lacks is power. Mega Buster is easily outdamaged by ALMOST all other weapons. It could climb up in usefulness if the projectile speed was slightly faster. Best usage for Mega Buster is to cover mid range if no other weapons in one's arsenal can take that job.

Rolling Cutter: B+

The Rolling Cutter got the nickname the “Trolling cutter” for good reasons. This is a great weapon in short to short-mid range weapon or even in cramped rooms, as it rips through anything that stands in it’s way. Though it has good power, its weakness is that it will leave the user ready for punishment if they miss.

Thunder Beam: A-

The reason I put Thunder Beam just ahead of Rolling Cutter is the range. The Thunder Beam lacks the ripping qualities of the Rolling Cutter, but I’d say the range of this weapon could be the factor that separates Rolling Cutter. Another factor would be that the Thunder Beam is less punishable than Rolling Cutter, if it misses.

Ice Slasher: B-

It’s a better Mega Buster for sure, but the slow projectile is what hurts this weapon a lot. Just the power alone separates the Mega Buster and the Ice Slasher. Due to the slow nature of the projectiles, this weapon gets more tics into the target and racks up more damage than Metal Blade. Ice Slasher loses out to Metal Blade when it comes to range versatility.

Fire Storm: C+

This is a good weapon as a replacement for the Mega Buster. Fast projectile and a close up backup shield makes this a good all rounder weapon. Although the fire rate hampers this weapon little bit, but the advantages over the Mega Buster compensates with it. Only thing that Fire Storm lacks is power.

Hyper Bomb: C-

The Hyper Bomb is a trap weapon. It will be a really poor weapon to use against someone straight on, and trapping is not as easy as it sounds. Very power weapon, but the short comings really hamper the Hyper Bomb from being anywhere higher.

Super Arm: B+

Slow and clunky of a weapon, but with the right user in hand this is a really good weapon. Aiming someone in close combat can be tricky, but it can be done. Other than those good points, the Super Arm is very punishable with its extremely slow fire rate.

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Metal Blade: B

Compared to the Fire Storm as a replacement buster weapon, it has different perks. Ammo use is the same, but the main difference is the Metal Blades have a bit more power and covers a bit more range than Fire Storm (in terms of effectiveness). Fire Storm most powerful at point blank combat when the shots and shield both connect, the Metal Blade does not need any of those. That’s where the Metal gains a bit more freedom than the Fire Storm. This freedom of weapon role give Metal Blade a higher tier than Fire Storm.

Bubble Lead: C+

I would like to put this higher because of its power, but the ammo and fire rate really kills the weapon to be higher on the tier list. Being ground based is also not a good feature to be a high tier weapon. The only role this takes is an anti-low ground weapon.

Atomic Fire: A+

Slow, punishable, but powerful. What Atomic Fire shines is the 1-hit KO ability coupled with the massive hitbox that is has too. With careful aim, this weapon is absolutely deadly. Ammo justifies the power of the fully charged shot (but not for the uncharged shot but that doesn’t matter much). Now if Atomic Fire had the ammo of Pharaoh Shot, then that’s when it will rise in tier.

Leaf Shield: B+

Leaf Shield is a great shield weapon. Though fire and cutter weapons go through it, lots of other high tier weapons are blocked by this (unless used in point blank range and why does Gyro Attack not count as a cutter weapon?). With that said, shield weapons can help running away or approaching an enemy, which can change the tide of battle.

Air Shooter: C+

If this had a range of Silver Tomahawk, then this would be at least A- to A+. Range is what kills Air Shooter badly. Decent damage of 25 damage per shot, but pulling a successful Air Shooter rush all the time is extremely hard to do. This has its potential, but limited by it’s range. I will bump the tier for its power a little.

Crash Bomb: B-

With good aim, Crash Bomb is a good main weapon. This is not a Mega Buster replacement, so it this has some perks that Mega Buster replacers don’t have. Only a few qualities of this weapon prevent it from being in a higher tier. Slow fire rate and high ammo consumption is the downer here, but Crash Bomb has a relatively high ammo recovery, which is quite unusual for a weapon. Overall it could have been better than a Mega Buster replacement, but it just wound up as good as one.

Time Stopper: --- (S)

Time Stopper is a unique weapon that has nothing that can rival this weapon. It has many uses in combat either defense or offense. This is where the uniqueness of this weapon gives it the high tier it deserves. Now removed since Time Stopper is gone from duels.

Quick Boomerang: B-

After the buff, Quick Boomerang has became one of the strongest close range combat weapons, but this weapon is still rivaled by many other close combat weapons. Sure there are differences against other close combat weapons, but it all balances in the end.

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Proto Buster: --- (B)

Although the projectile does not shoot as fast as the Mega buster, the power of uncharged shots and the ability to fire 50 damage shots are well worth the tradeoff. The biggest selling point of the Proto Buster is the Proto Shield. The shield is a great weapon(?) to use to either run away or to approach an enemy. One problem that causes the Proto Shield to not reach into higher ranks is the inability to block from key weapons like Magnet Missile, splash weapons, and AoE weapons. Now none of it matters since Proto Buster upgrade does not exist in duels anymore! :P

Magnet Missile: A-

A 24 damage per shot weapon that is made for long range combat, can be deadly in close quarters too, with good aim of course. Ammo and fire rate are the only things that prevents Magnet Missile from being a god weapon. It’s risky to pull off short ranged magnets well, but it’s a risk that can be worth it. Now since the Magnet was nerfed by 1 damage, and then removing the hitstun finally adds up to its fall from the S tier.

Hard Knuckle: B

Think of this as a faster, but weaker Atomic Fire. 80 Damage is nothing to laugh at, and once you hit someone with it they will be on the run. Chasing them down with good chasing weapons will finish the job then and there. I’d say that the fire rate would be the only thing that prevents the Hard Knuckles to be anywhere higher. Now with ammo nerf, there's not much space to miss shots, however with the power it still has, only a little gets the job done.

Top Spin: A

It’s like a knife to another FPS, but there are differences. In this game, bullets are a lot dodgeable and Top Spin is a 1-hit KO. This is why Top spin is in such a high tier. Only reason why this is not any higher is that it is limited to close combat to point blank range limit.

Shadow Blade: B-

Compared to the Quick Boomerang, the damage that this gives is now similar the Quick Boomerang. Aiming up or down is not as much as a pain compared to Quick Boomerang, and with a ripping effect makes Shadow Blade a nice weapon. The biggest downside though is its short range which is where Quick Boomerang does better compared to Shadow Blade.

Spark Shock: D

Spark Shock is used to stun an enemy, so that the user could switch out to another weapon to kill them. Sounds alright on paper, but the stun time, fire rate, weak damage, and ammo really isn’t convincing. Even if you did use to stun them they can still retaliate, which is some points deducted for Spark Shock.

Search Snake: D

Search Snake is rather slow, and the fact that it is a ground hugging weapon does not fare with well too much. With a little bit of timing, Search Snakes can be avoided without too much trouble.

Gemini Laser: C

So it’s not as good the Mega Buster more often than not, but Gemini Laser still is an okay weapon to use. Decent ammo and decent fire rate with the lasers bouncing around makes this tricky to deal with in close quarters, but that’s all its good for. Without the right conditions, Gemini Laser's usefulness drops drastically. If this weapon competed against Napalm Bomb or Flame Blast to create a diversion, Gemini Laser would be overshadowed easily.

Needle Cannon: C+

Needle Cannon, compared to the Bass Buster has their differences. First of all, Needle Cannon is a tad bit stronger than Bass Buster, but it has a lesser spread, shoots slower, and runs on ammo. With only 1 advantage over Bass Buster, that does not convince me to put this closer to the Bass Buster in tier.

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Rain Flush: C

A decent Area of Effect weapon and a good finisher. Ammo consumption is somewhat balanced off for the fact that recharging this weapon is not a hard task. As a weapon to fight straight on is a bad choice to use, but it can aid users to run away or discourage enemies from rushing in. The time between a shot is fired and when the rain pours requires timing to connect shots properly.

Flash Stopper: F

You only have 4 shots… You can blind your enemies partly (Unless their computer has a problem)… and it does next to no damage… Compared to other defensive weapons like Skull Barrier, Leaf Shield, or Proto Buster, this weapon is nothing and it’s squashed by the other weapons completely the metagame.

Pharaoh Shot: B+

Pharaoh Shot is still a strong weapon to use. It'll never see its V1B glory days anymore, but the fact of being able to kill in 2 decent shots is a big plus for its part. No more hug stun still prevents good advancement to engage others, but the power is still here to support the weapon.

Ring Boomerang: B

Compared to the Quick Boomerang with more powerand ripping. Range coverage between both of the weapons are specifically
designed for their own purpose. Ring Boomerang is designed for mid range while Quick Boomerangs is more for close range. Ring Boomerang offers a little bit of versatilely by being able to cover up close range when needed.

Dust Crusher: B

This is stronger than a Mega Buster and causes shrapnel to fly in 4 directions, but the slow fire rate does drag the usefulness a little. Certainly not a weapon to laugh at, and now with a fast projectile can really beat up your enemy quickly.

Skull Barrier: B
Anything Leaf Shield can do, Skull Barrier can do better. Major difference is how ammo is used for both shields. In Skull Barrier vs Leaf Shield's case, the Skull Barrier has a shorter coming. That still does not overshadow the no loophole that Skull Barrier offers that Leaf Shield does not. Another downer for Skull Barrier is that it is not as versatile as Leaf Shield can be, since Leaf Shield can be deactivated anytime, while Skull Barrier must run out before any other moves can be done.

Dive Missile: E

Other than having the potential of picking off enemies from a long range with its superior homing system (vs Magnet Missiles), this has nothing else to offer. Even when you would fight long range, Magnet Missile would still outperform Dive Missile. High cost for low power will not sit right for any user caught in a close ranged situation with this weapon in hand or even for its intended use too. At least this weapon DOES have killing potential.

Drill Bomb: C+

Drill Bomb is a great all round weapon. It’s slow, so it will not be good for a Mega Buster replacement. Drill Bomb’s explosive range is the main selling point here. Even if the user does not connect all of his hits, the Drill Bomb can do massive damage to the target. Best used as a finisher though. When using it as a main weapon, its slow speed will haunt it. Now with the ammo nerf, there is next to no room for mistakes.

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Power Stone: C+

Up and down and up and down and reach for the sky! Power stone has been everywhere in terms of power (no pun intended), and that certainly affects its rank too. The spiral projectile scripts of the Power Stone is definitely back this time, but the 1 hit kill is gone! That's all the bad news to hear about it, but still the power of the Power Stone is still the main point of the weapon. Unable to aim at different elevations , awkward projectile pattern, and slow fire rate will not allow Power Stone to be in higher ranks.

Charge Kick: B

What really shines for the Charge Kick is not the melee aspect or its damage. It is that Charge Kick is the best weapon to get away or to engagements. Unless your opponent uses it too, there’s no way to catch up for a Charge Kick escapee. Even not using it as a method of escape, this still packs a punch... I mean kick.

Water Wave: B

Wave Man is said to not be a good close combat robot. But his weapon is quite a good close combat weapon. Sure this is hard to jump over no matter what range you are, but the Water Wave would be predicable once it reaches to very far ranges. The hitstun of this weapon is amazing, and usually is better than Bubble Lead, since chaining hits is easier.

Star Crash: B

Compared to Charge Kick, the trump that Star Crash has over this is range that this covers. Charge Kick is not as good as a combat weapon, but it still works as one. Star Crush is purely designed to kill. Sure Star Crash's thrown shield is a decent weapon, but it is not designed be thrown, so in short the ability to throw the Star Crash is a minor plus.

Gravity Hold: B+

Gravity Hold is pretty much the death of anyone that's in the sky. But when your not using it for it's designed purpose, it is ok for an Area of Effect Weapon. Unlike Rain Flush, the time between the damage is done and when its fired gives Gravity Hold an edge over Rain Flush in DPS. Not as fast as Centaur Flash, but the power for short term usage makes up for Gravity Hold. Ammo consumption is another advantage that Centaur Flash still has over Gravity Hold.

Gyro Attack: B

Gyro Attack’s split makes this weapon unpredictable to avoid. Now with the buff that turns Gyro Attack now restores some of its former glory, but still balanced. Overall a good weapon to use from close range to mid range. Attacking higher/lower elevation is still one of its old weak points.

Crystal Eye: B

Crystal Eye is power weapon and it could be just as useful as Gyro Attack. Only problem that Crystal Eye suffers is the fire rate. In enclosed rooms or corners, this is a good weapon to use. Also it is a good anti-camp weapon in the same conditions as well.

Napalm Bomb: C

Napalm Bomb is a decent escaping weapon to use, but the smart opponent should know that running into bombs is not good for their health. The range of this weapon just wastes the potential of the weapon’s power. Average fire rate doesn’t do anything to its tier. If Napalm Bomb did have a good range, then this would jumped into higher tiers without a second thought.

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Knight Crush: B

Knight Crush is a just faster and longer ranged of the Rolling Cutter. With good aim and prediction, this weapon could either hit the target from the user or when it comes back, just like any other boomerangs. Sure the nerf did some damage to this weapon, but it is still usable weapon. Just use this over Rolling Cutter if the differences that Knight Crush offers fits your needs.

Centaur Flash: B-

For an area of effect weapon, the Centaur Flash is rather weak. Sure it could deflect lots of projectiles, but the energy cost is certainly not worth it. Any user of Centaur Flash may even use up to 1 W Tank just kill their enemy. It’s unique ability and killing potential though saves this from being anywhere lower, but the fact that this IS an area affect weapon boosts its points.

Wind Storm: C-

Wind Storm is poor man’s version of the old Gravity Hold. Not any more! Wind Storm is NOTHING but Gravity Hold's partner in crime. Weak, uses 2 bars of ammo, and fires fast gives almost nothing to offer, but to slightly delay your enemy from pursuing you. This is all that Wind Storm can offer without combing this with Gravity Hold.

Flame Blast: C

Flame Blast is a decent escaping weapon to use, but the smart opponent should know that running into fire is not good for their health. Flame Blast does a decent damage too, but the main tradeoffs are that the Flame Blast uses up more ammo for faster and longer lasting effects. In short, Flame Blast sits in the same boat as Napalm Bomb.

Blizzard Attack: B+

The buff gives Blizzard Attack a new life to be used. The projectile speed can now cover from mid range to long range nicely with decent power to boot if the user can connect the shots. Using it for close range is usable, but it gets outclasses by many other weapons in close combat.

Plant Barrier: B

Plant Barrier WAS an E tank replacement. With the E tank removed, this is the closest thing you can get to an E Tank. As we all know E Tanks are good for your health, so why not use the "nerfed" E Tank that can be recharged anytime? I really would like a better reason for the Plant Barrier, but suffice it to say E Tank moved over for the Plant Barrier to take over give its tier spot that it deserves.

Silver Tomahawk: A

This and Thunder Beam sits in roughly the same spot in terms of fire rate and punishment if the user misses. Only thing that separates the two is the Silver Tomahawk is a projectile that is way faster than the Thunder Beam. Range of effectiveness between the two is roughly the same, so I would say just the projectile speed alone separates those 2 alone.

Yamato Spear: A-

Rapid firing ripping weapon makes this a power weapon to use anytime. A small spread gives this weapon an edge over many other rapid fire weapons. Ammo consumption here effectively limits the Yamato Spear from being too powerful of a weapon.

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Danger Wrap: B-

Danger Wrap is a Sliver Tomahawk wannabe compared with each other's main use. However when compared, Sliver Tomahawk laughs at Danger Wrap's effort of being a clone. What separates the two weapon is Danger Wrap's mines. These mines can severely hamper the movement of your enemy, much like Spider Mines in Starcraft. However, that's the only thing that gets Danger Wrap going against Sliver Tomahawk. With the new change to Danger Wrap, any missed mines can fall on the enemy if they are out of short-mid range, allowing the weapon another few chances to rack up hits to the target with decent power to boot.

Thunder Bolt: B-

Dust Crusher like weapons are quite common, and here's another. Dust Crusher's strongest feature is its power, while the Freeze Cracker's is its fire rate and amount of shrapnel. Thunder Bolt does not have the power of Dust Crusher, but is a lot stronger than Freeze Cracker. Thunder Bolt is faster than Dust Crusher, but not as Freeze Cracker. When shrapnel is compared, Thunder Bolt easily beats out the rest, however it loses out on how difficult it is to hit anything due to its pattern. In all among the "Dust Crusher" weapons, this sits between Dust Crusher and Freeze Cracker. The power for the most part gives Thunder Bolt its rating.

Junk Shield: C+
Now with the new Junk Shield around to play with, this is far less broken than the armor granting version. The new function is what the label says, its a mix of Star Crash and Leaf Shield. Incredible stunlock this weapon has to offer has massive lethal potential, however the strange hitbox makes it very hard to connect the junk blocks and if the enemy gets too close for comfort or in a hallway, then the shield won't hit them at all. The offensive capability is offseted by the way the junk block moves, and the defensive capability has the same problem. The only difference usage is using Junk Shield correctly defensively, the target should not be too close up on the user. Another problem with Junk Shield is that it does not offer full protection unlike Leaf Shield does. Leaf Shield will always block projectiles (unless point blank) while Junk Shield may let a few shots slip by. The head area is vulnerable to add another fault to the weapon.

Freeze Cracker: C

A faster and with more shrapnel than Dust Crusher? This already sounds like a good weapon on paper, BUT! The sheer LACK of power is the biggest downer here. Faster weapon does mean the weapon will run out of ammo faster too. Miss too many shots, and its over for you. Best used to reach someone afar, but try not to get caught mid to close range with this.

Slash Claw: B

If Top Spin was the knife for most FPS's, then Slash Claw can take that role more effectively. Now this is not a weak weapon by no means, but the inconsistent amount of damage that this gives does hurts its ratings a good bit. Still this is an excellent weapon to switch into for close combat.

Wild Coil: C+

Wild Coil is a souped up version of Gemini Laser. Two bouncing coils per shot and the ability to charge it up for more damage adds more to the punch that Wild Coil can give. Even with the ability to kill with one shoot, Wild Coil is still very awkward to aim. With the new projectile pattern for Wild Coil, the trajectory is almost the equivalent of the side shots of Thunder Beam.

Noise Crush: C+

Another weapon to take glory away from Gemini Laser, but does not do so! Uncharged Noise Crush lasts shorter than Gemini Laser, and is weaker. Gemini Laser can take that job without problem and completely turn Noise Crush into an obsolete weapon. Good thing for Noise Crush is it has a trick up its sleeve. Shoot one and catch it with your body will allow you to release a 60 damage shot. 60 damage isn't much unlike how it used to do 80 damage last version. Using uncharged shots is not worth the Gemini Laser replacement and certainly now does not have power it has definitely doesn't look good for the weapon. Versatility without much power won't carry itself out for long.

Scorch Wheel: B-

Scorch Wheel can be compared to Charge Kick in their role in their uses. Both may be used as offensive weapons, but Scorch Wheel is more often than not weaker than Charge Kick, but has better range though. For running away with Scorch Wheel versus Charge Kick, I would need to run some tests before I can say anything about it. So that should even up the two weapons, right? No. What allows Charge Kick to trump over Scorch Wheel is its ammo consumption. Scorch Wheel just can not keep up with Charge Kick's ammo use and can easily be outpaced in the heat of battle.

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Mirror Buster: B-
In a battle, if a player notices that the user is in the Mirror Buster colors, they should know to not attack. Mirror Buster can be a good weapon to use to approach enemies, but also suffers the same blocking problems that the Proto Shield has too. Mirror Buster is a great weapon to switch in. Unlike other shield weapons, this can be used quite nicely for offense. With the ammo nerf, there will be a lot less wait for Mirror Buster to run out, this hurts the weapon a lot. I would give this a C+, but the power of the weapon can not be ignored.

Sakugarne: D

As fun as it is to use this all the time, Sakugarne does not serve a lot of purpose other than a utility and a trapping weapon. It is a good trapping weapon, but the conditions it needs does not justify this weapon not a good choice. Very punishable if the trap fails.

Screw Crusher: C

Now this weapon is where my opinion is rather off from the true usefulness that it really is. But I feel it is around as good as a Mega Buster. I could never use the Screw Crusher right, and people tend to use it well. The limit of its bounces is just tricky to manage while fighting someone.

Ballade Cracker: A+

A weapon with decent fire rate, ammo, and explosive properties can get the job done really well. Not punishable at all, but the ammo is not so forgiving. Miss too many times, and it’s over for you. Unlike the old version where missing too many times was not a problem, this time around weaker power means more accuracy is needed to make the most use out of this.

Bass Buster: B

Personally, I prefer this buster over Proto Buster more often than not. Since Proto Buster is out of the way, there's no good reason to run around with the Mega Buster any more. My first ranking of Bass Buster was really generous, and I thought of lowering it, but now there's no reason too. Fast attacks, good range coverage, and unlimited ammo are great factors toward this weapon.

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Triple Blade: B

Now first of all, this is the first weapon to make it on this list that is not an official realesed weapon. Congratulations! Anyways, the Triple Blade is more of a close range weapon, and suffers rather badly outside of middle range combat. Its not a great ripping weapon like Rolling Cutter, but its still quite a good one at least. Fast fire rate and high ammo consumption is the biggest downer for this weapon to get anywhere higher.

[Tesseractal]

The real "issues" I have with the tier list is the C-tier, which is "megabuster level". It's kinda messy to compare all that stuff to the Megabuster, my main beef being Ring Boomerangs. (I would place higher) Of course, it's an easy fix if you move some weapons down. Weapons I would suggest moving down (from C-tier):

-Megabuster (weak)
-Gemini Laser (weak)
-Blizzard Attack (weak AND slow)
-Freeze Cracker (weak)
-Bubble Lead (very slow)

It could be the way the game is setup but the tier list seems like an inverse pyramid- you want more weapons at the bottom, not the top, and right now Flash Stopper is kinda lonely. My suggestion: put Megabuster in D or E tier, then put weapons below that you would never use over the Megabuster (like Stopper, Blizzard Attack) since you view things in terms of megabuster replacements. This would clean up the C-tier a bit. If you're curious about a single weapon I mentioned holler.

[Smunch]

Hoo boy.  Just 12 hours ago on the duel server I said "inb4 tier list" and look what happens.  Mind = Blown  

I'll leave my 2-bit opinion though, based off of my limited duel knowledge;
Spark Shock and Search Snake are worse than Dive Missile, definitely.  It is very difficult to successfully hit with the Spark Shock, and even if it happens, chances are you will not be able to chain hits, due to the fact that you were probably moving around whilst firing it.  The Snake is beyond too easy to dodge, unless caught off guard.  Even if caught off guard, the little damage it does is no threat.  Dive missile, when fired, is like a beautifully aimed mega buster shot, very useful for hitting fleers, even those with charge kick.  Just today, I got 2 duel kills with it (however, it was in dive man's stage, take it how you will).  I am uncertain that the Missile is better than Saku and Stone, though.

I really want to say dust crusher deserves a bump up, due to its 3 hit kill.  However, I feel like you may have it right.  

Man, my favorite weapons look a lot crappier in comparison on this list now >.>

[Korby]

As much as I'd like to bicker over tiers, I'd like to ask you to "review" Triple Blade for this list.

Gogogo.

[SaviorSword]

As much as I'd like to bicker over tiers, I'd like to ask you to "review" Triple Blade for this list.

Gogogo.

FUNNY THING! I TOOK OUT TRIPLE BLADE CAUSE IT WAS NOT "OFFICIAL", BUT I REALLY WANTED TO ADD IT TOO INTO THE LIST!!!
XDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXD

But I will some time.

[Muzaru]

The real "issues" I have with the tier list is the C-tier, which is "megabuster level". It's kinda messy to compare all that stuff to the Megabuster, my main beef being Ring Boomerangs. (I would place higher) Of course, it's an easy fix if you move some weapons down. Weapons I would suggest moving down (from C-tier):

-Megabuster (weak)
-Gemini Laser (weak)
-Blizzard Attack (weak AND slow)
-Freeze Cracker (weak)
-Bubble Lead (very slow)

It could be the way the game is setup but the tier list seems like an inverse pyramid- you want more weapons at the bottom, not the top, and right now Flash Stopper is kinda lonely. My suggestion: put Megabuster in D or E tier, then put weapons below that you would never use over the Megabuster (like Stopper, Blizzard Attack) since you view things in terms of megabuster replacements. This would clean up the C-tier a bit. If you're curious about a single weapon I mentioned holler. (yo Tesse! etc.)

-Gemini laser isn't really weak, as it kills in 4 shots and can lock down an area with a little bit of planning. Suggested tier Mid-low to low....

-The blizzard attack(god... I miss the v1a blizzard...) It is great to rush with/close range I don't really remember its damage, but I think it can kill in 2 or 3 hits if all connect(someone call me on that) so think of it as a midrange shotgun, that has some of the best stun in the game. Suggested tier.... Mid-high to mid.

-The Freeze Cracker...... I'm not good with, so what I might tell you wont really describe it well.

-The Bubble Lead... Is one of the strongest weps in the game doing 40 damage until after its little doubling thing, otherwise it does 20 damage, fires quickly, travels slowly(if you run with these you can make a "moving fence of death" or something like it). Yet another wep with a high amount of "stun" ensuring it can combo if aligned properly. Suggested tier mid-high to mid.

-The Megabuster is free, fires quickly, and is immediately available to you(most of the time). Its dps is great being higher than most high tier weps, but requires great aim and prediction. Though, its slow, unforgiving and lacks stun it is a high level wep that deserves a mid tier area.

[CHAOS_FANTAZY]

F:
Flash Stopper

You'd be surprised.  Due to its close range nature, it works well by rapidly switching to another close-range and attacking with it.  Roc's Creation beat me in this manner with a Flash Stopper-Top Spin combo.

Also Centaur Flash is more useful than that  

[SaviorSword]

So far from what I've heard so far is that the Duster Crusher and Ring Boomerang needs to be higher up on the list. Agreed almost unainumosly I might add too. I would change it, but I need some good reasons why and suggestions for the description for the weapon for the tier placement explaination.

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The real "issues" I have with the tier list is the C-tier, which is "megabuster level". It's kinda messy to compare all that stuff to the Megabuster, my main beef being Ring Boomerangs. (I would place higher) Of course, it's an easy fix if you move some weapons down. Weapons I would suggest moving down (from C-tier):

-Megabuster (weak)
-Gemini Laser (weak)
-Blizzard Attack (weak AND slow)
-Freeze Cracker (weak)
-Bubble Lead (very slow)

It could be the way the game is setup but the tier list seems like an inverse pyramid- you want more weapons at the bottom, not the top, and right now Flash Stopper is kinda lonely. My suggestion: put Megabuster in D or E tier, then put weapons below that you would never use over the Megabuster (like Stopper, Blizzard Attack) since you view things in terms of megabuster replacements. This would clean up the C-tier a bit. If you're curious about a single weapon I mentioned holler. (yo Tesse! etc.)

-Gemini laser isn't really weak, as it kills in 4 shots and can lock down an area with a little bit of planning. Suggested tier Mid-low to low....

-The blizzard attack(god... I miss the v1a blizzard...) It is great to rush with/close range I don't really remember its damage, but I think it can kill in 2 or 3 hits if all connect(someone call me on that) so think of it as a midrange shotgun, that has some of the best stun in the game. Suggested tier.... Mid-high to mid.

-The Freeze Cracker...... I'm not good with, so what I might tell you wont really describe it well.

-The Bubble Lead... Is one of the strongest weps in the game doing 40 damage until after its little doubling thing, otherwise it does 20 damage, fires quickly, travels slowly(if you run with these you can make a "moving fence of death" or something like it). Yet another wep with a high amount of "stun" ensuring it can combo if aligned properly. Suggested tier mid-high to mid.

-The Megabuster is free, fires quickly, and is immediately available to you(most of the time). Its dps is great being higher than most high tier weps, but requires great aim and prediction. Though, its slow, unforgiving and lacks stun it is a high level wep that deserves a mid tier area.

These are my arguments for each of those weapons you 2 guys have mentioned.

Gemini Laser: This sits with weapons like Napalm Bomb and Flame Blast. Not good weapons for direct attacks, but decent to create a diversion for an escape attempt. Gemini Laser is not weak weapon, just tricky to use (even as a diversion weapon).

Blizzard Attack: Now Muz's point on Blizzard Attack is quite interesting, and some testing could be done to see if this point could move Blizzard Attack anywhere else in the tier list.

Freeze Cracker: Freeze Cracker is a weaker yet a lot faster version of Dust Crusher. With more shrapnel everywhere, this is a lot less punishable if the user misses. If we had a Freeze Cracker vs Dust Crusher fight, and assume that both players miss around the same number of times, then the Freeze Cracker will probably hit more and the damage will add up more than the Dust Crusher.

Bubble Lead: It is strong, and no one can deny that. Even with it's damage variation, the downer for this is the painfully slow projectile speed. Being strong is good and all, but what good of an use is it if you always miss because of its speed? I find it still around the C tier.

Mega Buster: Mega Buster is you average weapon. Power is not great, but it does enough to be useable. Being infinite use and it not being a punishable weapon to use, it breaks even with its low power. Then again, when compared to all the other weapons, this becomes dwarfed really fast, so I won't be surprised if I see this weapon to be demoted.

Also Tess, I think a tier list with even amount or a pyramid shape is not necessary. Imagine if all the weapons in this game used sv_fastweapons 2 speed as their default! There would be so many weapons in the A to S tiers, and a few in really low tiers. In short, weapons "earn" their tiers like students earning grades in school.

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Flash Stopper

You'd be surprised.  Due to its close range nature, it works well by rapidly switching to another close-range and attacking with it.  Roc's Creation beat me in this manner with a Flash Stopper-Top Spin combo.

Also Centaur Flash is more useful than that  

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This list is about weapons used alone. I think this might change , because 2 lesser tier weapons could outperform higher tier weapons, but it would look awkward for just those individual weapon to be placed in a higher tier while not functioning well alone. Again Flash Stopper alone is just awful. Flash Stopper is the poorest option for an escape weapon, because you may still see through somewhat through the Flash Stopper somewhat. No killing potentail itself and.... /endrantflashstopper.

Explain why Centaur Flash should be higher. I dueled Cutman Mike in Magnet Man's stage and Eddie gave me Centaur Flash twice. Sure it helped me get away from some of his rampaging attacks, but once I used it up, he was still in close quarters with me. Even while I was scrambling to grab more ammo, getting him off my tail with this was not that effective at best. I had to chase him away with Ice Slasher to make him retreat. I do not see how much more useful it is as a defensive weapon.  Centaur Flash as an offensive weapon is just paying too much ammo for kill. I really would like to hear about your thoughts of Centaur Flash though (You might bring up an interesting point like what Muz did!   ).

[Max]

Rename this "The Pointless Debate".

Some people rock with weapons, some don't. We don't need a list, and we certainly don't need all this arguing.

[SaviorSword]

Rename this "The Pointless Debate".

Some people rock with weapons, some don't. We don't need a list, and we certainly don't need all this arguing.

If you do not want to get involved, then get out.
Also this is friendly arguments, not some hot-blooded flame war.

[Mr. Sean Nelson]

*Agrees with SaviorSword*

Plant Barrier: C-

Plant Barrier is an E tank replacement at its best. Healing by a weapon might sound silly, but are just a few instances that Plant Barrier would be a good healing option. Since no other weapons can heal the user (for now), I’ll just put this in the C- tier for the unique quality this weapon has.

I don't understand why this merits a C-. An E-tank replacement would be worth more, wouldn't it? In duels, one is always scrounging to get the E-tank. In addition, the ammo is easily recovered and it can be used again quickly. I know you had said that this list was for duels, but this seems to be an invaluable weapon for both duals and CTF.

[arkman]

I must respectfully disagree with Search snake's placement, the real beauty of the weapon is when you are looking for an opponent. It might as well have unlimited ammo, and as you run forward firing, it basically creates a supersnake, While the odds of hitting someone with this snake are slim, it is always an instant kill. It also is very useful on bumpy levels, as it is hard to dodge the snakes and worry about where the next step is.

While it is in no way an A class weapon, I think it is at least a C-

[Tesseractal]

Well, of course. Bubble Lead is mighty strong (just look at the bubble wall that was going yesterday in Toad Man), but I feel that it's speed is ineffective at hitting a target unless they're moving toward you(or you wall it). The weapons I listed all have their uses; I've killed with Gemini and Cracker before, but imo they are mostly dependent on the area they're being used in. If Gemini's not in a narrow-hallway area, it loses most of its usefulness- to me the strength only comes from recoil shots. Sure, variability in the environment affects all weapons, but to me the C-tier weapons are affected the most(and why I agree with Napalm being C-tier).  If the area wasn't a factor, Super Arm could easily move up(with OHKO potential in it).

Part of it is like you said: you're doing it by 'earning tier placements' but I would put it more distribution style. Or I just think that megabuster at C is too nice. >.>

[Alucard]

You should review the IGMetalblade for the lulz.

[Korby]

Instant S is instant.