Mega Man 8-bit Deathmatch V5B - 22/05/17!

[Trillster]

Mike posted this image on Discord and I think it sums the situation up well. (This image does have a spoiler by the way, so open with caution.)

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[CutmanMike]

If so, you could have used portal tricks to avoid them.

I tried everything. Plus when the idea came up for the other boss fight I HAD to make it. It was just too fun not to do.

[Laggy Blazko]

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That makes sense.
Then you could have just removed the entire shark fight since it sucks :^)

Just kidding. But let's hope someone eventually can make a software compatible Shark.

[Badz]

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I know I already dropped a similar wall of text on Discord, but I really want to share my thoughts on the shark boss.
It's actually pretty reasonable for the most part, but the first two phases have a big problem in that they're too easy to cheese through.

Phase 1 can be gotten through easily just by staying somewhere at a low altitude in the center to avoid joe fire, and the missiles aren't very threatening at all if you focus on shooting them down. You can get the two weapons simply by occasionally moving out of your safespot and shooting down the Joes while they're not firing. The excessive amount of HP doesn't compensate for those flaws, and instead makes it really boring.

Phase 2 meanwhile doesn't force you to move at all except for grabbing Concrete Shot and the E-Tank, so the ideal strategy is "sit in a corner and shoot at things until they die".

The other two phases are pretty good, except for the cyan attack on phase 4; that should be replaced by something else, as it's guaranteed to destroy a player who isn't expecting it and just isn't fun to dodge compared to the other two attacks.

[JaxOf7]

Jax's v5 boss review

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preface: what i've actually beaten without cheats (in clear order)
Bass 1st phase
Bass 2nd phase using super adaptor
Protoman
Fake Chase
Fake Man
Mech Shark

Bass 1st phase - very impressive movement. Just gotta keep moving, fairly interesting attacks. Good fight and doesn't drag on.

Bass 2nd phase (using super adaptor) - just gotta keep moving and pay special attention to his huge attacks which are well choreographed. Constantly moving around in a low gravity place with super adaptor is just fun and fist's homing makes fighting a flying opponent fun as well. Charging the fist also lets you focus on just dodging and movement while being productive to killing him.

Bass 2nd phase (not using super adaptor) - yeah no. I'm not self-imposing a challenge that takes away the thing that actually made the 2nd phase fun.

Protoman - fuck the shield bash; it's not choreographed and you can't strafe around it. You're supposed to jump over it, but since it's not choreographed, you gotta stay away from Proto at all times, taking away much of the fight's freedom. Otherwise, his jump shots are fun to learn and dance around, as is his shield bounce charge shot. (charge shot especially fun for getting in hits) (shield bash is also a little fun in that he's open afterward) (jump shot does have some fun knocked off since it's the attack you're gonna get the least shots off of)

Mech Shark - The boundaries are not visible like the fight with Evil Robot. I also kept getting pushed back really fast for some reason, think it's the floor. Wat.
This fight is pretty much a puzzle fight. The 1st phase, You figure out that you can hide from the cannon joe from behind the fin while dealing with the missiles. The 2nd phase is just kinda easy. The 3rd phase against the dragon is really quick if you rapid magma bazooka his body and then concrete shot his face, but it's fun. 3rd phase also requires luck since you're never quite sure when the inactive parts are going to block your shots. 4th phase - his blue attack is really bad since the shots are so quick and require you to move so fast combined with a small mouth hitbox. The small hitbox is a bit more manageable to deal with on the red and yellow attacks, but seriously, why is it so small, I legit thought it wasn't the weak point at first since my attacks weren't doing anything. Come to think of it, 1st phase's side ports were also a difficult to grasp hitbox.

Fake Chase - "wait, is this Megaman Legends?" The chase is fantastic as soon as you learn to just use ballade cracker to one shot the cycles and helis. I don't see why I can't use ice wave to get the car-firers. Fight is fun and hilarious, emphasizing small-space dodge skill, target priority, aim, and weapon management.

Fake Man - his bullets are so fast that you have to focus on straferunning to avoid his attacks. Then he just stops and waits for you to hit him. This fight is just you two taking turns wailing on each other with the main variety being just what you hit him with. Boring.

Quint - his quick slam attack is disproportionately harder to deal with than his other attacks. His leading-buster-shots alongside saku attack is really fun to deal with and I'm kinda surprised it's so weak. His super rock ring is also fun in that it presents the choice of staying away to dodge better, or getting closer to deal more damage to Quint, though the length of time the screen shakes is kind of annoying. Anyway, FIVE PHASES WITH A TON OF HP EACH TIME, GODDAMN. 2nd phase introduces an instant death pit, not too bad. 3rd phase introduces a surrounding death pit and conveyors you can't instantly judge the direction of. 4th phase gives cars. 5th phase gives 2 Quints. Anyway, this guy is clearly the nigh-unbeatable superboss, so I can't really criticize him the same way as the other guys.

other thing: couldn't immediately tell whether the alternate final boss was accessed by leaving that door open or closed (also I thought that was going to be the Quint intervention at first, like a virus just fcked the world, you'd think he would be trying to stop that...)
other other thing: plug man's comment about Bass and "overconfidence." That refers to beating him without the adaptor, but that doesn't seem obvious to grasp from that. Also no.

[Geno]

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I noticed a lot of things with the color pukes. There are the color pukes of the MM10 and MMV games. Was it intentional to leave them in-game? Also, I and a friend discovered a weird color puke (218 to 221): it is a light grey and white puke that has a charge animation. Assuming that it can't be from RMF2 because it's not an official game and that there were all of the MMV color pukes before, may I suppose that this will be the Mega Arm's color puke?
I'll leave these screenshots: http://imgur.com/a/6PROM
First is Strike Man's weapon.
Second is Chill Man's.
Third is what I assume to be Saturn or Uranus's weapon (weird color when I think about it.)
Fourth is Terra's weapon.
The last 4 does concern the Mega Arm (or what I suppose to be the Mega Arm).

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The one you thought was Saturn's or Uranus's is actually Mars's Photon Missile weapon
And while Terra's weapon is canonically the same as Mega Buster, we made that other one to differentiate it

I believe these future palettes were added so that custom weapons won't need to be updated any more

[Ivory]

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I think for quint, rather than lessening his health, perhaps pull a kirby boss with Quint and have him change arenas after losing a set amount of hp, like 1/4 but he stops taking damage at 1 bar.

Then regain 1/4 - 1/2 of his hp when the second quint shows up.



That's my two cents anyways.

[Zero1000]

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I think for quint, rather than lessening his health, perhaps pull a kirby boss with Quint and have him change arenas after losing a set amount of hp, like 1/4 but he stops taking damage at 1 bar.

Then regain 1/4 - 1/2 of his hp when the second quint shows up.



That's my two cents anyways.

Sounds like a good idea. Bass has it too.

[Gothic]

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After finishing this, I have to say this update was a beast. 2 Final bosses, updated levels and previous bosses, more secret encounters. At first I was afraid I did something wrong because I didn't fight Quint on the main game and I though I fucked up at some point and I had to start again to fight him, glad I found out where to fight him.

The final boss was brutal, unfortunately it wasn't as fun as previous bosses, the hitboxes for the first part were too small and the ammount of health of the turret robots was ridiculous. Quint was harder, but at least had upbeating music to fight with, I was starting to hate those alarm sounds from the final boss song.

[PotatoStrike]

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The one you thought was Saturn's or Uranus's is actually Mars's Photon Missile weapon
And while Terra's weapon is canonically the same as Mega Buster, we made that other one to differentiate it

I believe these future palettes were added so that custom weapons won't need to be updated any more

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Terra's weapon? I understand that it has these colors (to match Terra's actual colors). But what about the last pukes (218 to 221)? Can you confirm that it is Mega Arm or not?

[NES Boy]

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I looked into the game's ASC files via SLumpED, and I can confirm that 218-221 are meant to be Mega Arm palettes.

Also, while I was looking through SLumpED, I discovered a removed cutscene! Here's how to access it:

Go to the Console.
Set "SaveProgress" to any number from 1094 (Mega Water.S) to 1110 (postgame).
Set "MM8BDM_BassChallenge" to 0.
Go to Dr. Light's lab (or restart, if you're already there) and try to move around.

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So, you were originally meant to face and defeat Wily Capsule as normal, then later on, after you've progressed a bit into the Wily Tower stages, you would have to revisit the MM7 boss stage to fight Bass.

[Jafar]

That cutscene plays if you've already beaten the old MM7 chapter on your save file, I believe.

[Geno]

Yeah, that cutscene there only plays for people who had already beaten MM7 before v5 was released

also

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Terra's weapon? I understand that it has these colors (to match Terra's actual colors). But what about the last pukes (218 to 221)? Can you confirm that it is Mega Arm or not?

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the GB colour ones are supposed to be Mega Arm
while that one is canonically supposed to be Mega Buster colours, it was made GB colours to differentiate it from Laser Buster and Arrow Buster. Also, the GB colours are kinda neat

[Stardust]

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Spoiler of a spoiler : in the Quint battle you can use Drill Bomb to destroy the rocks (from his circular rock pattern attack, the one you can't jump over), I figured that out after 150+ tries
EDIT : wait actually tomahawks destroy them too

Also I am the only one who's getting really sweaty hands when fighting Quint

[HeelNavi]

nice work on v5, it feels like a whole new direction has been taken for mm8bdm

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i beat both final bosses without any problems, but i can't beat quint. the problems with him are the 3rd phase's conveyor belts, that makes the shockwave slam almost impossible to dodge, then there is the lack of real health pickups in phase 4, then finally quint has a tendancy to use his 5th phase's desperate rock smash in certain spots that make the rocks impossible to dodge...

also i managed to get to the fake car chase without software :0

i'm done ranting so i'll just say v5 is good and was worth the wait good job everyone