Balrog's Fixed Saxton Hale - Reports of my death, yadayada

[Balrog]

Just suggesting some things:

Morshu MUST be changed. I propose this: Attack "Rope" is pretty much a whip that has longer range but way narrower radius if compared to a normal hale attack; Super Jump "Bomb" makes a bomb explode under him, causing 25 damage at most and sending him in the air (won't get hurt from his own bombs); Rage "Lamp Oil" could either create a "Ice Wave" flame attack in 8 directions (using F. Blast's flame) or throw a blob of oil that splashes in a wide area, burning afterwards for about ten seconds (the blob won't bounce off walls, but the splashing will).
Captain Falcon's Falcon Kick needs to go. Either that or make it behave more like a Flame Sword that stops him for a while if he is on ground or doesn't stop him if he is doing it midair. Falcon Punch could allow him to move and aim while saying "Falcon", but fly off in a locked direction and completely unable to control when he says "Punch!", which should also give him invulnerability during the flight.
Scrooge's Super Jump should cause 1 damage at most but cause "shock" damage (stun) rather than opkilling. And the whales are way bad. So, instead, give him something more useful and less "area denial", like perhaps shooting rocks with his cane (Main = rock goes in arc, useful for enemies blocked from your sight. Alt = rock goes in straight line, good to hit campers.) for 15 seconds.
Roll needs a nerf in the rage. And a HUGE one at it. If Flash Bombarded, she can gain more health than she lost by CONSTANTLY STACKING RAGES. You could also put a "rage lock" that prevents activation if she is currently in rage.
Overall, Melee attacker bosses needs some check up. Roll and Oppan Ninja Spah seems to have a range 50% longer.
I... don't think Ninja Spah needs two lives. Take one and buff the health of the only one he is left with.
Please consider doing my "Lu Bu" Hale idea.

1. Tell me how to make a Thunder Claw rope not look incredibly stupid.
2. eh, I guess I could do this.
3. But the whales are his whole thing!
4. I already did this.
5. Huh.
6. Sure, I could do this. Multiple lives are kinda his gimmick, though.
7. I'll consider it.

[tsukiyomaru0]

Just suggesting some things:

Morshu MUST be changed. I propose this: Attack "Rope" is pretty much a whip that has longer range but way narrower radius if compared to a normal hale attack; Super Jump "Bomb" makes a bomb explode under him, causing 25 damage at most and sending him in the air (won't get hurt from his own bombs); Rage "Lamp Oil" could either create a "Ice Wave" flame attack in 8 directions (using F. Blast's flame) or throw a blob of oil that splashes in a wide area, burning afterwards for about ten seconds (the blob won't bounce off walls, but the splashing will).

1. Tell me how to make a Thunder Claw rope not look incredibly stupid.

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actor TheWhip0 //This is the actor that is fired by the weapon.
{
PROJECTILE
+FORCEXYBILLBOARD
+SKYEXPLODE
+DONTBLAST
+NOTIMEFREEZE
+NOINTERACTION //If you don't want it to work through walls, replace this with +RIPPER
damagetype "Whip"
Speed 1 //You  can use any speed, but don't go beyond 16 unless you want to give it an ABSURD range and sacrifice the visual effect
Damage (25)
radius 5
height 5
scale 2.5
States
{
Spawn:
AHPG L 1 //replace any AHPG L with the name of the sprite you will use.
AHPG L 0 A_SpawnItemEx("TheWhip1",momx*24,momy*24,momz*24,momx,momy,momz,0,SXF_ABSOLUTEMOMENTUM|SXF_ABSOLUTEPOSITION|SXF_NOCHECKPOSITION) //Divide 24 by the speed property
AHPG L 0 A_SpawnItemEx("TheWhipDamager",0,0,0,0,0,0,0,SXF_NOCHECKPOSITION) //If using +NOINTERACTION, keep this line. Else, remove it.
AHPG L 0 A_ChangeFlag("NOTIMEFREEZE",0) //Duplicate this command, but for " "NOINTERACTION",1 " in the case you use it as a RIPPER rather than a non-interactive.
AHPG L 1 A_Stop
stop
Death: //This was used in testing phase of the whip gimmick.
TNT1 A 0 A_Stop
MMFX E 1 A_ChangeFlag("NOTIMEFREEZE",0)
MMFX EDDCC 1
stop
}
}

actor TheWhip1 : TheWhip0 //Rules for TheWhip0 should be applied on these. these numbers represents its segments, I just started from "Segment 0" just because I felt like it.
{
States
{
Spawn:
AHPG L 1
AHPG L 0 A_SpawnItemEx("TheWhip2",momx*24,momy*24,momz*24,momx,momy,momz,0,SXF_ABSOLUTEMOMENTUM|SXF_ABSOLUTEPOSITION|SXF_NOCHECKPOSITION)
AHPG L 0 A_SpawnItemEx("TheWhipDamager",0,0,0,0,0,0,0,SXF_NOCHECKPOSITION)
AHPG L 0 A_ChangeFlag("NOTIMEFREEZE",0)
AHPG L 1 A_Stop
stop
}
}

actor TheWhip2 : TheWhip0
{
States
{
Spawn:
AHPG L 1
AHPG L 0 A_SpawnItemEx("TheWhip3",momx*24,momy*24,momz*24,momx,momy,momz,0,SXF_ABSOLUTEMOMENTUM|SXF_ABSOLUTEPOSITION|SXF_NOCHECKPOSITION)
AHPG L 0 A_SpawnItemEx("TheWhipDamager",0,0,0,0,0,0,0,SXF_NOCHECKPOSITION)
AHPG L 0 A_ChangeFlag("NOTIMEFREEZE",0)
AHPG L 1 A_Stop
stop
}
}

actor TheWhip3 : TheWhip0
{
States
{
Spawn:
AHPG L 1
AHPG L 0 A_SpawnItemEx("TheWhip4",momx*24,momy*24,momz*24,momx,momy,momz,0,SXF_ABSOLUTEMOMENTUM|SXF_ABSOLUTEPOSITION|SXF_NOCHECKPOSITION)
AHPG L 0 A_SpawnItemEx("TheWhipDamager",0,0,0,0,0,0,0,SXF_NOCHECKPOSITION)
AHPG L 0 A_ChangeFlag("NOTIMEFREEZE",0)
AHPG L 1 A_Stop
stop
}
}

actor TheWhip4 : TheWhip0
{
States
{
Spawn:
AHPG L 1
AHPG L 0 A_SpawnItemEx("TheWhip5",momx*24,momy*24,momz*24,momx,momy,momz,0,SXF_ABSOLUTEMOMENTUM|SXF_ABSOLUTEPOSITION|SXF_NOCHECKPOSITION)
AHPG L 0 A_SpawnItemEx("TheWhipDamager",0,0,0,0,0,0,0,SXF_NOCHECKPOSITION)
AHPG L 0 A_ChangeFlag("NOTIMEFREEZE",0)
AHPG L 1 A_Stop
stop
}
}

actor TheWhip5 : TheWhip0
{
States
{
Spawn:
AHPG L 1
AHPG L 0 A_SpawnItemEx("TheWhip6",momx*24,momy*24,momz*24,momx,momy,momz,0,SXF_ABSOLUTEMOMENTUM|SXF_ABSOLUTEPOSITION|SXF_NOCHECKPOSITION)
AHPG L 0 A_SpawnItemEx("TheWhipDamager",0,0,0,0,0,0,0,SXF_NOCHECKPOSITION)
AHPG L 0 A_ChangeFlag("NOTIMEFREEZE",0)
AHPG L 1 A_Stop
stop
}
}

actor TheWhip6 : TheWhip0
{
States
{
Spawn:
AHPG L 1
AHPG L 0 A_SpawnItemEx("TheWhip7",momx*24,momy*24,momz*24,momx,momy,momz,0,SXF_ABSOLUTEMOMENTUM|SXF_ABSOLUTEPOSITION|SXF_NOCHECKPOSITION)
AHPG L 0 A_SpawnItemEx("TheWhipDamager",0,0,0,0,0,0,0,SXF_NOCHECKPOSITION)
AHPG L 0 A_ChangeFlag("NOTIMEFREEZE",0)
AHPG L 1 A_Stop
stop
}
}

actor TheWhip7 : TheWhip0
{
States
{
Spawn:
AHPG L 1
AHPG L 0 A_SpawnItemEx("TheWhipDamager",0,0,0,0,0,0,0,SXF_NOCHECKPOSITION)
AHPG L 0 A_ChangeFlag("NOTIMEFREEZE",0)
AHPG L 1 A_Stop
stop
}
}

actor TheWhipDamager : TheWhip0
{
-NOINTERACTION
+RIPPER
States
{
Spawn:
AHPG L 1
stop
Death:
TNT1 A 0
stop
}
}
And Fire State should use the FireCustomMissile like this:

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BUST BBB 1 A_FireCustomMissile("TheWhip0",0,0,8)

[Hallan Parva]

Just suggesting some things:

Morshu MUST be changed. I propose this: Attack "Rope" is pretty much a whip that has longer range but way narrower radius if compared to a normal hale attack; Super Jump "Bomb" makes a bomb explode under him, causing 25 damage at most and sending him in the air (won't get hurt from his own bombs); Rage "Lamp Oil" could either create a "Ice Wave" flame attack in 8 directions (using F. Blast's flame) or throw a blob of oil that splashes in a wide area, burning afterwards for about ten seconds (the blob won't bounce off walls, but the splashing will).

1. Tell me how to make a Thunder Claw rope not look incredibly stupid.

hey not so fast captain pantalones

what happened to this right here HMMMMMMM

Dear Balrog,
You could should probably create those Morshu changes I sent you like 2 months ago.
It'd look pretty.
With many thanks, Uncle Rozark

I'd appreciate if you didn't automatically listen to someone who only complains when he plays this mod (Tsuki) and instead heed the warning of people who are actually doing work on the mod (DarkAura, Gizmo, Rozark). We've been asking for the same fixes over and over but getting ignored, yet a guy who literally ragequits on a regular basis MAGICALLY manages to get your attention on the first try? What?

In essence, you should already have Gilgamesh AND Morshu fixes, people love the Mobies, and Falcon Kick is fine (though it could use a tad bit more cooldown if you ask me).

[SmashTheEchidna]

I don't like the current Falcon Kick. I need to hurry up and finish that skin and make sure that my changes get in, or I won't ever really be satisfied with the way Captain Falcon is.

[tsukiyomaru0]

Just suggesting some things:

Morshu MUST be changed. I propose this: Attack "Rope" is pretty much a whip that has longer range but way narrower radius if compared to a normal hale attack; Super Jump "Bomb" makes a bomb explode under him, causing 25 damage at most and sending him in the air (won't get hurt from his own bombs); Rage "Lamp Oil" could either create a "Ice Wave" flame attack in 8 directions (using F. Blast's flame) or throw a blob of oil that splashes in a wide area, burning afterwards for about ten seconds (the blob won't bounce off walls, but the splashing will).

1. Tell me how to make a Thunder Claw rope not look incredibly stupid.

hey not so fast captain pantalones

what happened to this right here HMMMMMMM

Dear Balrog,
You could should probably create those Morshu changes I sent you like 2 months ago.
It'd look pretty.
With many thanks, Uncle Rozark

I'd appreciate if you didn't automatically listen to someone who only complains when he plays this mod (Tsuki) and instead heed the warning of people who are actually doing work on the mod (DarkAura, Gizmo, Rozark). We've been asking for the same fixes over and over but getting ignored, yet a guy who literally ragequits on a regular basis MAGICALLY manages to get your attention on the first try? What?

In essence, you should already have Gilgamesh AND Morshu fixes, people love the Mobies, and Falcon Kick is fine (though it could use a tad bit more cooldown if you ask me).

It's more a matter of balance, Smash. You see me complain mostly out of mockery AVGN-style or Game Grumps ("Ghost of Bullshit" anyone?)... Or when the game crashes, which happens at about 7/10 rounds or, if classes are run with it, 95/100

By the way, I only ragequit from when people mix it with Classes, which I have all reason to ragequit (Classes are broken for Hale, no matter what they say. When I "ragequit" in a vanilla Saxton? Crashes, of course. Which still puts me to wonder why they are more frequent with Captain Falcon and Morshu than with any other...

Which now reminds me: Color glitch. Does the ACS that morphs the player handle it? or is the morphed player's weapon that handles it?

[JaxOf7]

Haven't really been paying attention to thread but read something about Morshu's rope being something other than what I expected.
I would think rope would replace Morshu's super jump as a reskin of wire adaptor.

Also, said this long ago, but never actually posted about it
I still do intend to make Vagineer Hale at some point.
Here's my idea in case anyone wants to look over it.

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Name: Vagineer
Attack: Vagimirror. Mirror Buster that also hurts/kills those who touch it. Lasts about as long as a standard melee attack.
Super Jump: Reverse gravity. See Gravity Man.
Speed: Slow/Average
Health: Low
Skin: Spark Man
Color: Blue and yellow, pink outline.
Rage: Egar
Rage info: Vagineer disorientates players, reversing their controls and inverting the color of their vision. Charges fast.
Obituary "!rorrimigav s'(%k)reenigaV yb demusnoc saw %o"

[Rozark]

whoa whoa WHOA

Tsuki, you're not outright controlling this hale seeing as I still have plenty of interest in making him viable.
So, you might wanna rethink what you're doing, okay son?

Oh and Balrog, seriously, what happened to those changes? I already described how it's done, you just need to implement them. I have no idea why this is slacking.

I suppose I have to put the log here then.

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Rozark:
Alright, based on feedback that I got, here's the changes that I'd like to try.

-Half both bomb cooldowns
-Nerf the explosion radius on the regular bomb, not the rage bomb. For example, if the radius is 100, make it 75. Decrease it by 1/4 that it is currently.
-Change Super Jump to Wire. In short, whatever way Morshu is looking (not just the ceiling), the wire will come out and latch onto that segment. Morshu will then be propelled towards that location.
-The regular hale attack becomes a bronzish/goldish oil attack which deals about 15 damage, dealing burn damage of up to 5 over time. It's fire rate would be that of the regular megabuster speed, and the oil would fall downwards, similar to how oil slider is fired. However, you cannot ride on it. The current hale attack will either be his secondary attack that he can switch to, or removed completely if a secondary attack is simply too much.
-This might already be done: Make the regular bomb a 2hko instead of whatever it is.
-If you're implementing weaknesses, make him weak to fire. Makes sense.

This build aims to complete the lampoil, rope, and bomb formula. It also tests some new things, which of course, will need testing.

Thanks for your time, have a great day.
-Rozark



Silversin:
Actually, I was planning to do something like this:
- Bomb nerfed, like you said.
- Alt fire switches between rope, lamp oil, and bombs
- Lamp Oil works like oil slider, but cannot be ridden like you said, but can be ignited by bombs (they will burn + deal a good amount of damage to victims)
- Rope can do two things: 1) Latch onto walls like you said, 2) If you hit an opponent, they get wrapped up in the rope and have to shoot it off / comes off after some time...or maby it just slows them down for a bit? I dunno.
- All his weapons cost the rage metre, witch would be his ammo bar. It will recover rapidly, just like the super jump bar. Oil takes up very little, Bombs take up a good amount, maybe 1/4, and rope takes up all of it (stunning, flying around the map, etc.).
- Rage removed in general (sorry >_<)

As for the weakness to fire, I might do that.
Then again, it's just an idea and I want to know if these changes are okay with you.



Rozark:
I like the concept, let's at LEAST try it. Dropping the rage (which, was sorta random anyways) and making the gimmick 3 weapons with an ammo bar instead sounds quite interesting. Of course it'll need testing though. (Besides, I've never personally killed or seen a kill with the rage anyways)

By bomb nerf, what exactly do you mean? If it's the explosion radius nerf/cooldown buff by about a half second, sure. Seeing as it'll use about 1/4 of the ammo bar for a bomb, thatd be brilliant.

The only problem is the case that he runs out of ammo. It'll need to regenerate at LEAST fast enough so that he can use lamp oil/rope, unless those don't require ammo.

I don't know, just stuff. It's 4:30 am.

Oh, and what's he currently get for hard mode?



Silversin:
Sorry, but I think I'm gonna scrap hard mode...



Rozark:
that's fine, I really don't think he needs one anyways.

[Balrog]

All right, here's what's up. I've been feeling reaally screwed up recently thanks to RL issues, so that's why I haven't been working on this. Morshu, when reworked, will have Rope as a regular attack that is weak, but slows players hit by it. (This is because Wire Adaptor-like abilities are going to be broken in some way on maps that aren't designed with Wire Adaptor in mind.) Secondary is Lamp Oil, which is an Oil Slider that does big damage. Rage is the same bomb as it is now.

[tsukiyomaru0]

On other notes, there's still an urgency in reducing the number of repeating scripts to one at most and possibly initializing variables Also, seems that shortening the LMS pre-round time reduces the chance of crashing.

[Rozark]

All right, here's what's up. I've been feeling reaally screwed up recently thanks to RL issues, so that's why I haven't been working on this. Morshu, when reworked, will have Rope as a regular attack that is weak, but slows players hit by it. (This is because Wire Adaptor-like abilities are going to be broken in some way on maps that aren't designed with Wire Adaptor in mind.) Secondary is Lamp Oil, which is an Oil Slider that does big damage. Rage is the same bomb as it is now.

Include regular bombs.
Don't just make the rage that huge bomb that almost noone gets hits by.
It's extremely useless right now unless you sped up the detonation on it.

Rope is going to be pointless unless it has reach like Thunderclaw because who's going to slow someone when you can just kill them.

When you need more voiceclips for the individualized attacks just let me know, I have them ready.

[Knux]

I'm not sure how it's going to work, but if that rape slider doesn't have delays or anything, make Morshu slower.

[Rozark]

I'm not sure how it's going to work, but if that rape slider doesn't have delays or anything, make Morshu slower.

I BELIEVE it's just the oil part, not the sliding part. I'm not 100% sure, seeing as Balrog is only partially following the changes.

[ChaoticChao]

I have seen where ideas have gone, and I have fixed up my Galacta knight idea.

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Galacta Knight
300 hp per person
1.5 speed
Weapon: lance slash
Description: A sword/lance slash. Time correctly for a lance stab flurry (weaker, but faster)
Weapon 2: shield beam
Description: uses shield to block some shots, but only fire is a mirror buster shot
Rage: lance beam
Description: uses the lance to shoot electric shots forward and backward simultaneously. Can paralyze foes slightly
Item: knight call
Description: summons an ax knight, a javelin knight, a mace knight, and a javelin knight. Only summons one each use, but has 4 uses
No SuperJump, but instead has the ability to jump 5 times at once.
Weakness: cutting tools (metal blade, rolling cutter, etc, but not slash claw)
Resistance: Melee weapons (flame sword, slash claw, charge kick, etc)

Feel free to change what seems too strong or weak, if needed

[Emmanuelf06]

It can be really good to fix the teamkill problem.

Cause a lot of guys (we know) like to teamkill everybody. It kills the fun and the point of Saxton Hale.... too bad.

Worst thing: Nobody kick them but they like kick "normal" players....what's wrong with people nowadays ?

[tsukiyomaru0]

stonefunk, that's because of Classes mod that people run with it despite being uncompatible.