MM8BDM v5 Public Thread - MM9 Expansion

[JaxOf7]

Actually the online issue was fixed.
The actual issue is a lack of music alias.
"I could go for some CUTMUS right now! CHANGEMUS... wait, which track was that in MM1MUS.nsf again?"
Individual song nsf's alleviate this issue.

[MusashiAA]

Actually the online issue was fixed.
The actual issue is a lack of music alias.
"I could go for some CUTMUS right now! CHANGEMUS... wait, which track was that in MM1MUS.nsf again?"
Individual song nsf's alleviate this issue.

I recalled wrong. Yeah, this is the actual issue: no way to let the game know that doing CHANGEMUS CUTMUS would be track number whatever inside MM1MUS.nsf. Individual .nsf files per song, each named after each track, would alleviate the issue. The thing is, nobody here is knowledgable enough to rip every song individually. There ARE ways to simulate this through Famitracker, but the NSF-to-FTM importing process is not without its flaws in terms of accuracy. I would personally not care about this, but eh.

[Messatsu]

Another issue is that switching between different NSFs causes a momentary pause in the music.  So if we did separate NSFs for CUTMUS and MM1BOSS there would be a small 0.2 second delay between when CUTMUS stopped and MM1BOSS started.  This doesn't happen when switching tracks within in the same NSF (EX. MM1:2 and MM1:3).

[Gothic]

To me, neither the music cheats or the very small delays are a problem if that means better quality music, accurate looping and reducing the size of the pk3.

[HeelNavi]

V5 looks awesome so far !

Now looking forward to Wily Machine IX ('cept if you change the final boss,in which case I'm gonna cry like a little girl :/)

[Forster]

V5 is so amazing. Hope the final boss will be Submarine Shark

[Russel]

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[LlamaHombre]

Hello again Mega Man fans! It's that time again. I've got a bunch of screenshots here showcasing some more changes made to older MM8BDM content, as well as something that'll blow your expectations out of the water.

But before all that, it's QnA time!

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1) Are arrows going to be added to HSH for clarity in the conveyors?

Most definitely, but seeing as HSH's conveyors are substantially more complex I'm going to need to get some assets in line before I can set all that straight. Expect some proof of concept for that next update.

2) Will the campaign be given difficulty modes to reduce the AI of bots?

This has not been discussed, but I'd imagine an answer for now would be "no".

3) Will the Genesis Unit be made easier, as they are no longer the final boss?

Yes, actually. At least one of the two health capsules dropped are going to be made larger, meaning you'll recover significantly more health after each team attack.

4) How is the Concrete Shot condition being represented?

To the victim, there's a greyish overlay kinda like Time Slow. To everyone else, atm it's just a full color change. This is a rather tricky thing to work with as far as team games or weapon colors go though, so gravel particles or something like that is definitely something we're considering, and will most likely go through with.

5) What's the track on new MM7TUR like?

Sorry to disappoint you, but it is kinda just a loop. Well, to the players it's more of a semicircle. Or a donut with a few bites taken out. It's easier to show you using the second shot from last update.

These finish lines represent roader-only sections of the stage, where the rascals are out of play for a little while (I think about 8 seconds for every 6 seconds they're in play). So hopefully they should be less of a pain in the ass.

6) How're the weapons being distributed in LMS?

Probably like how you mentioned, with BHB and Tornado Blow being absent. TBD.

7) Will Black Hole Bomb take advantage of block monster lines?

I hope to god so

8) Are you going to replace all the ogg music with nsf/gbs in the next version?

We don't intend on doing this until Zand 3.0 or something comes out with refinements to the current system. I'd personally argue that sound consistency is slightly more important than file size or music quality. Believe me, we all would love to make the switch to NSFs sooner rather than later, but it's simply an option we'll have to return to for future versions of MM8BDM.
That said I have no idea if we'll be using gbs files at all or if full covers of say MMV tracks would be preferred. But that's a tangent for another day.

Alright, let's take some of the meat off the grill.

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Most of what I want to talk about with Tornado updates can be described using this shot as a base. Pretty much, a few new cliff faces were added to take further use of Tornado Blow, as well as just for versatility in movement. Also, these little cuties have been added!
The Balloonboos are solid, so if you need to use them to escape using Tornado Blow it's an option. Additionally, Dust Crusher can split on them if you want that true BM.

Small things, but also things worth talking about. MM9MAG is undergoing some small maintenance as well based on public opinion, so once that's done expect some news there.

I don't think anyone actually confirmed that this is finished yet, so...

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MMCTF01 - MMCTF20 are now playable in non-CTF formats!
Obviously it's going to work better in some modes than others, but seeing as team spawns are still active these should serve a decent measure to help facilitate competitive team games. Or just have a big mess in the Light team base. Whatever you're down for.

I should've probably taken a reshot of the picture to remove the bars and spread and stuff but it's too late and this shot looks hype as hell ;-;

I've also got a weapon to show you all!

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but first a good view of both MM9JEW and the weapon in question.
Seeing that there's only one weapon in this screenshot, I'd hope you've figured it out by now.




Centaur Flash has been reworked!
Known in infamy as one of the most frustrating weapons in core, old Centaur Flash was capable of deflecting everything that Leaf Shield can in one fell swoop. While this was clever for weapon combinations, it made counterplay anywhere from frustrating to impossible.
So in order to help alleviate these issues, as well as help pave the foundation for our Shield Weapon overhauls, we've opted in favor of a new direction for the weapon: one introducing something unique to core MM8BDM - stealth.
While stealth is not a new thing to MM8BDM as a whole thanks to mods like CBM, it marks a first for the state of core. The obvious benefits of stealth can be used in full force here: adding unpredictability to your approach, helping your escapes, etc. However, the ability to use other weapons alongside Centaur Flash should prove to add a new dynamic to Centaur Flash that stealth in classes mods haven't quite reached. In this regard, weapon interaction should be as widely valued as it used to be.
Unless you uh really want to use Shadow Blade + Centaur Flash. Then I guess you're not getting a whole lot that's different.

Last but not least, I have a new map to show off!

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Splash Woman!



The match is your oyster in this cutthroat competition! Pierce through your opponents and drown their chances of victory!

We'll see you all next update. Thank you all for being so patient!

[Thunderono]

Looking pretty swagular.  One thing I want to point out, though...

7) Will Black Hole Bomb take advantage of block monster lines?

I hope to god so

If this does wind up happening, does that mean that Wind Storm would receive the same treatment?  After all, it has the same issue-- it can and will push people off of cliffs.

[Orange juice :l]

The Centaur Flash rework looks bretty good, but I doubt its potential in stealth gameplay. The loud crashing sound is a dead giveaway that somebody has stealthed, especially considering how close you need to be to take advantage of that short stealth time, not to mention the fact that you might end up damaging your target with the cloaking. This makes me think that using CFlash will suffer from the same annoyances like YD Astroman on release, though granted you won't be flying about (assuming you don't put rush jet on the same map, or if you do, rush doesn't get cloaked)

[Gumballtoid]

Seeing Centaur Flash getting reworked begs another dumb question I forgot to ask.

What in the hell is going to be done with Time Stopper? That weapon exists for the sole purpose of being an annoyance to other players.

[BiscuitSlash]

Normally I'd be skeptical about randomly remaking a weapon, but the new Centaur Flash is superior in multiple ways, so I can't help but like it. Great job!

[Beed28]

Excited for the new expansion! I haven't touched MM8BDM for a long while, so I'll looking forward to seeing what's new on offer.

[Gothic]

8) Are you going to replace all the ogg music with nsf/gbs in the next version?

We don't intend on doing this until Zand 3.0 or something comes out with refinements to the current system. I'd personally argue that sound consistency is slightly more important than file size or music quality. Believe me, we all would love to make the switch to NSFs sooner rather than later, but it's simply an option we'll have to return to for future versions of MM8BDM.
That said I have no idea if we'll be using gbs files at all or if full covers of say MMV tracks would be preferred. But that's a tangent for another day.

Aww, well at least will the .ogg be looped, like the boss battle themes?

[ZeStopper]

Am I too late for the hype?