Mega Man 8-bit Deathmatch V5B - 22/05/17!

[GameAndWatcher]

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PlugMan: "I'll have you know that I haven't cried on prom night once!"
             "Though, robots don't really HAVE a prom night..."

I have to admit that this jab was hilarious when I found out it was a thing.
Cold Man's cameo was also pretty funny.

[Hallan Parva]

== Item 2
+Now spawns underneath you when you're in the air.

Wait, but then how will you be able to "staircase" your way up to a high ledge? Does it check for velocity instead of just checking for a floor beneath you?

Your velocity stops when you summon it.

Disregard me, I was an idiot and confused Item 1 for Item 2. I forgot both of them were in the game.

[Atticus]

I wanna give a shout out to whoever made the new Turbo Man stage, because you inadvertently created one of the best maps to play Possession on in the vanilla game lol.

This update reminded me of a lot of things. It reminded me that Mega Man 9 is a sick ass game that I should play again. But it also reminded me why I love this game, and why I've stuck with this community for close to 6 years now. There are so few games out there right now that get by entirely on hard work from truly hardcore fans, and most that try fizzle out before long. Seriously, we're 6 years into this and we're still getting insanely high-quality updates that add truckloads of content and changes. I'm so proud of what the team has accomplished, and the fact that there's still a community here to appreciate it is astonishing. Here's to many more years and updates for MM8BDM.

[Bikdark]

Overall, maps are excellent. MM9TOR is HELLA, as is MM9MAG, probably my favorite maps from the last like 3 years.

My only real complaint is MM9FAK. You're given item 1, item 2, AND Tornado Blow, but can't access the rooftops? Little bit silly and limiting I'd say, as I was REALLY excited as soon as I spawned. The closest we have in vanilla to a rooftop crawler is MM6MRX, which doesn't even fully expand upon the idea.

This is my favorite expansion thus far. Long live the plug ball.

[Ivory]

Hey there all you Mega Man fans!

Just popping by to say that I absolutely loved what I have experienced. The story mode escalation that has been underway since v3 hasn't ceased to amaze me, even if it does make V1 bosses and story pretty bland now in comparison. We have gone from fighting giant peace keeping robots of mass destruction to an evil robot in space to having a three on one with the Genesis Unit to a shmup battle or road chase? Along with the ever scaling difficulty      

The new maps are top notch and I am delighted to see that MM7FRE and MM9MAG are relatively the way I left them. Some of the plot elements I came up with did see use, in ways I wouldn't even have planned to use them. I just plain love it.

I can just feel how much fun the dev team had making this content through playing it alone and I can't wait to see just how much things are going to escalate again in v6.


Props to everyone on the dev team for their hard work in bringing this expansion to life, and to the community who never stopped believing in them or criticizing them, or whatever else motivates people to get stuff done for this game.

And personally from me to them, props to the dev team for picking up on all the half-done stuff I left behind when I abruptly upped and left. I feel like I failed them for not being able to see my commitments through, but I also feel a lot better now that I had time to get away and clear my head for a few months. Seriously, you guys are amazing and Light's Lab is a lot better than what I had planned for it.

[Geno]

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Were you involved with the Mega Mech Shark boss or the Fake Men chase? I thought those were both neat.

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I did most of the graphics for the Fake Man chase, and also the mugshot for ol' sharko
And I did the MMX car guys for the Quint battle

the trophies you get for the Genesis Unit and the Boss Rush are also done by me, hehe

and the mugshot for the Bass fight I did too

I did one other thing, which is a secret mugshot, you need to get pretty close to the Stage Select Screen to see, but it's a special guest from "the real Mega Man 3"

Oh yeah, the other three (non-spoiler) things I did for v5 are the birds from Concrete Man stage, and the texture for Pirate Man's gold piles
Try shooting the birds in Concrete Man stage!
The third non-spoiler thing I did was take most of the screenshots for the new and updated stages! Additionally, I re-took a bunch of old ones from v3 because some of them did not reflect current stage designs, and were all fuzzy and ugly

[Rui]

spoilers

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aaaaaaaaaa holy cow that Quint fight gave me goosebumps

then the X stage happened AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

the quint fight music is the best thank you all so much for the BEST SINGLE PLAYER 8BDM EXPERIENCE ;-;

[Gumballtoid]

I'm tired and my thoughts may not be completely coherent, but my thoughts are here all the same.

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Starting from v4's content, the bosses in this game really start to become needlessly prolonged. The difficulty is in a good place, I think, because there's a large emphasis on not getting hit, but it is artificially padded out by the insane amount of health the bosses are packing. Couple this with the how quickly and erratically some of these bosses move around or how much shit they throw at you in such little time, and what once was about avoiding enemy fire while dishing out your own becomes an arduous battle of endurance. Some of the bigger offenders are the Genesis Unit, Bass, the Mega Mech Shark and accompanying Changkey Dragon, and at the very top of the list, Quint.

Quint is a pretty fun fight for the first phase and the first phase alone. His other four phases are grueling and overstay their welcome by a long shot. Yes, I get that he's a superboss, and the spectacle is very impressive (the nods to MM10 and MMX1 had me geeking and its likeness to Shadow's boss fight from Sonic Boom: Rise of Lyric is especially cheeky), but 80% of that fight is simply not fun. While dodging his attacks is part of the thrill, to consistently and flawlessly keep that up for five long phases takes its toll on one's psyche. I honestly believe that the boss would be significantly better if he had a fraction of the health he currently has.

This rationality applies to most of the newer bosses. I'm not saying they should be a walk in the park, but ye gods, I think some of this stuff should be re-examined.

Barring that issue, this expansion is a great success. The maps are top notch, the weapons all feel good but still feel relatively tame, the spritework is gorgeous, and the new music is lovely. Major kudos to the dev team.

I'm also grateful for the opportunity to work on a map for this expansion: Freeman and I are responsible for bringing you all the new and improved MM4DIV and I'm super happy with how it came out and how well it's been received. It has definitely been a good learning experience for me.

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Dr. Wily making breakfast and Auto's police chase had me laughing harder than I think I've ever laughed at this game. Consider it a success.

[Copy Robot]

Fuck your basses and fake policemen and what have you. This is the real most important part of the update.

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[RedThePyro]

Spoiler Version

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So, after playing a good majority of mm8bdm from start to the end of MM8, I gotta say, I LOVE the Bass Boss battle.  You guys really outdid yourselves with v5.  Though, I have been encountering a sort of bug with the bots.  Whenever I would play on any map during the singleplayer campaign, the bots would get stuck walking on one corner or by a wall and will only stop until you shoot them/frag them.

Non-spoiler Version:
Now, what would be a good youtube video that would describe how I feel about this update.. I KNOW!

[Megaman94]

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After you battle Proto Man and you are using Open-GL, you will fight the Shark Ship instead of the police chase. How did you manage to do this? Is there a command that checks if you are using Open-GL?

[Stardust]

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How do you defeat the head part of the shark ship thing? I usually waste my concrete/magma ammo on the dragon, and then the head part is very hard to dodge, takes no damage and has no weakness

also here's the real real real real secret of v5 everyone missed

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Shoot this texture 100 times under 30 seconds then get behind Bass like that



and press "use"

you'll notice the area around will start shattering


repeat the manoeuver until the area is very dark and destroyed and Ra Moon x Ripot from Battle & Chase will challenge you to a final battle on the moon (MM?MOON is the map name) you can go there from the lab also spoiler : Quint will unite with Punk Enker and Ballade and at this point of the game you'll face the real real final very boss.

EDIT : here are a few personnal tips for anyone trying to Mega Buster only the Treble Bass boss (not a spoiler I think at this point everyone knows Bass is the MM7 Chapter boss). It took me about ~1 hour to defeat his Treble form with buster only and it's definitely harder than with the adaptor (dunno if it's comparable to the MM9 final boss). I don't know if they're god tiers tips but that's what I applied and I did it without cheats so um try again sweetie

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> try to keep the most distance between you and him most of the time. For two reasons :
 1) he's very fast and agile, if you stay away you'll be able to always or almost keep him in your field of vision (which you should do absolutely.
 If you don't know where is, well you don't know where he is, and also you can't see which attacks he's about to use) so yeah stay away to keep him in sight most of the time, and
 2) because simply the further you are the more chance you have to dodge his attacks

> try to stay on the two top platforms. There are essentially two floors and then there's the pit. You have a joker (beat call) so you're allowed to fall 1 time in the pit. Even though try to stick on the top platforms as you're less likely to fall in the pit from there and you have more control in the fight IMO. Following the previous tips, if Bass gets too close to you, jump to the opposite top platform.
If you fall in the pit with beat call, get to the top platforms back (eventually by grabbing the HP pellet if you have to.) Don't stay in the bottom portion

> strafe-run to dodge his buster attacks (the pellets, or the big dark charged shots, both apply. Note : if he surrounds himself with dark energy, he's going to use the big dark shots (or another special attack).
If he doesn't, he'll use the standard buster). Jumping can also help. If you do both you'll probably dodge the shots most of the time with enough practice.
If you ever cross the arena near him by jumping and he charges dark energy to shoot a full spread charged shot in your face, you'll probably take like 60 damage and just want to just type KILL in console.
You want to restart the fight also if you waste your jokers (HP capsule/Beat call) when he's still at like >80% HP. No point in continuing

> Hold firing button 100% of the time. It's kind of psychological but when you stop firing with an infinite ammo weapon, you'll kind of feel more fragile and lose control on the fight

> He has two attacks which make him stop moving for some time. The "dark super adaptor" and that special attacks that makes energy bolts fall from the ceiling.
You should try taking a decent chunk of HP at this time, especially with the ceiling bolts attack because he's literally not moving for 5 seconds during it, and about 3-4 seconds for the dark adaptor.
Just take some security rules (for the dark adaptor, stay far away from bass so the fist can't reach, or hide behind one of the pillars. If you're really good you can straferun-dodge the fist at close range...) for the ceiling energy bolts, look up and stay between 2 bolts, and do a high jump as the first barrage is about to explode on the floor and you should be ok
BTW the dark adaptor does a "mega buster charging" sound so it's easy to spot it.

> He has a kind of luck-based attack (IMO), that upward diving with a flurry of dark holes. Sometimes you won't get a dark hole in your face sometimes you will. I'd usually hide behind a pillar to make sure they won't touch me.

> The battle is kind of a bit luck-based anyway because the attacks he chooses to use are randomized.

> You can collect the Super Adaptor, just don't use it

> Practice, practice a lot, and don't tilt. I personally didn't find a cheap strategy / IA bug abuse or something in it.

> You fight another boss after defeating Bass buster only. But don't worry it's not a third form or whatever, it's actually like much much much easier than the bass fight. Should have been the warmup before the Treble Bass fight tbh...



TL;DR : Keep the most range with Bass as possible and try to keep him in sight all the time. Stay on the upper portion (the 2 top platforms), avoid falling into the bottom portion. Dodge his buster-type attacks with your sick side-straferunning skills and jumping. Burst him down hard when he uses the Dark Adaptor or the "ceiling falling bolts" attacks.
Don't rage, keep practicing

[CutmanMike]

Seriously, you guys are amazing and Light's Lab is a lot better than what I had planned for it.

Thank you for the idea, really. Light Labs would have probably been left the same bland hub since v1 (2?) until I saw footage of people just walking around it enjoying the little details. Once I saw that I was convinced and knew dr. light had to step up his game!

[MarioHead]

I only have a question (Yeah, i'm back, i only waiting for the release)

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Does this have something important?

[CutmanMike]

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Scare him, then go beat Proto Man again