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Cutstuff => Cutstuff Discussion and Feedback => Topic started by: CHAOS_FANTAZY on March 14, 2011, 09:14:53 PM
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I'm tired of hearing about this argument, hence, I created this debating topic. I put it here, because in my opinion, the final result will effect the whole of CutStuff. Don't care, authorities? Go ahead and lock it, I guess.
WHO ARE THE DEBATERS?
Role-Players
These are, obviously enough, the people that have been roleplaying over our MM8BDM servers for quite some time. The NRP group is angry with them because--from the word of the NRP Group--they have invaded other servers and taken over them, making them RP-based by filling the four-line textbox with their RP-based chat.
NRP, AKA the CutForce
These are the opposing members to the Role-Player's shenanigans. Led by an incognito Orange Juice, the CutForce has not disclosed their goal. From the word of the CutForce, they haven't even decided on a goal--the only thing binding them together is their annoyance from the RP invasions. They have been counter-attacking the RP'ers by invading their servers--donning the skin and username of "Cutman"--and spamming them with Cutman's bot chat script.
On the note of these two groups, I'd like to thank two people. One, an RP'er, who stumbled into Fun Crusher's Duel Server after being kicked from their RP room--whose complicated Japanese name fails me--who put me in the Role-Playing group's perspective. Two, a CutForce member, coming into Fun Crusher's Duel Server shortly after the latest CutForce invasion--who I will allow to stay unnamed if they prefer--for providing inside information on the CutForce.
SO WHAT CAN WE DO?
That's what this topic is about! Note that I only want solutions that satisfy both groups. Two possible solutions that have been outlined beforehand. One is having an RP forum created. I would be more than willing to moderate it myself, as I am an experienced role-player myself--although I don't get to role-play as much as I'd like. The other one is keeping the Role-Playing in separate, private servers. This works because the CutForce won't be able to attack them, and yet they have full rights for kicking if they themselves are invaded.
Now I want a good, clean, top-hat-and-monocle debate here. I don't want to see any slander against any one person here--especially because the leader of the CutForce has been revealed. Now, let's all put on our serious faces, and talk this out like gentlemen.
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I'm fine with this so long as I don't see it turn into a flame war.
Cutstuff is neutral grounds for anyone to come too. I don't want to see the community being split over rpers vs non rpers. MmmK?
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I'm sorry, but this is just really silly.
There are some people in the MM8BDM community that like to roleplay. That's all well and good. If they want to RP, let them RP. They're not hurting anyone.
The anti RP people are just a group of angry trolls that don't seem to stop and think about all of this. Touhou fans and roleplayers are everywhere in the community, so they smite them. If they continue to harass people, just report them.
If Roleplayers want to RP, let them RP. The trolls are just being trolls, so ignore them. End of story. We don't need any sort of debate for this.
By the way, its pretty mean and stupid to refer to Roleplayers as "touhouians." That's like saying all Touhou fans are Roleplayers or all Roleplayers are touhou fans. There are lots of Touhou fans that don't RP, as well as lots of RPers that aren't touhou fans. I see Sonic, Kirby AND Cat Planet roleplayers.
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By the way, its pretty mean and stupid to refer to Roleplayers as "touhouians." That's like saying all Touhou fans are Roleplayers or all Roleplayers are touhou fans. There are lots of Touhou fans that don't RP, as well as lots of RPers that aren't touhou fans. I see Sonic, Kirby AND Cat Planet roleplayers.
That was fast--I've offended someone already. I apologize for this incorrect assumption, as all the role-players I've seen have been Role-Playing as Touhou characters. I will fix the OP accordingly.
Also, you can't deny that this "stupid trolling" hasn't gotten out of hand and that something needs to be done.
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I've seen and heard about the trolls in action. They do go a little far, votekicking and such. When there's so many of them and they all vote yes, there's not much you can do about them.
If they appear on Mess' servers, I could ask him to ban them or something. But I don't think they go there a lot..
Either way, If they continue to harass people, just report them.
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I don't like it when I'm talking to other people and I can't see what they're saying because of some shitty roleplay that always sounds sexual.
Can I make the chatline bigger somehow?
Anyway yeah the Cutforce is funny
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I'll admit, that bothers me as well. I'd much rather prefer that the roleplayers only RP in the RP servers.
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Joining a deathmatch server only to find it's a RP server after you rack up on frags is very annoying. I've never had this problem with Doom.
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I don't like it when I'm talking to other people and I can't see what they're saying because of some shitty roleplay that always sounds sexual.
Can I make the chatline bigger somehow?
Anyway yeah the Cutforce is funny
YD, you can always ignore me if you feel annoyed.
And pretty much the only person I saw receiving hate from the "Cutforce" so far is ME. So yeah. If there's someone else, I'd like to know. >_>
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I don't like it when I'm talking to other people and I can't see what they're saying because of some shitty roleplay that always sounds sexual.
Can I make the chatline bigger somehow?
Anyway yeah the Cutforce is funny
YD, you can always ignore me if you feel annoyed.
And pretty much the only person I saw receiving hate from the "Cutforce" so far is ME. So yeah. If there's someone else, I'd like to know. >_>
Ignoring is kinda difficult when you're trying to have a conversation but you can't finish reading what the other one has typed because roleplayers just filled the whole visible chatbox with RP.
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I don't like it when I'm talking to other people and I can't see what they're saying because of some shitty roleplay that always sounds sexual.
Can I make the chatline bigger somehow?
Anyway yeah the Cutforce is funny
YD, you can always ignore me if you feel annoyed.
And pretty much the only person I saw receiving hate from the "Cutforce" so far is ME. So yeah. If there's someone else, I'd like to know. >_>
Ignoring is kinda difficult when you're trying to have a conversation but you can't finish reading what the other one has typed because roleplayers just filled the whole visible chatbox with RP.
You can aways block all the RP'ers.
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I think Flandre meant the mute function. Even though that's annoying to set every time for every person.
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I think Flandre meant the mute function. Even though that's annoying to set every time for every person.
Thanks for the correction.
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I use the mute function so often, I don't really find it annoying to set up.
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im with u chaos ( btw im zero in red letters and im chaos the fake 1 ) i agree with u every step of the way and id like to suport ya :D
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On the note of muting, I doubt that'll get through to them. I'm fairly sure OJ is well aware of this option, but he either has a grudge for something-or-another...or he's just a fucking idiot. Which I doubt.
[...]pretty much the only person I saw receiving hate from the "Cutforce" so far is ME. So yeah. If there's someone else, I'd like to know. >_>
Presuming you always go by Flandre, at least three people. Myroc even tested the CutForce by entering with an RP'ing name...with no intention of the sort...and was kicked upon arrival.
im with u chaos i agree with u every step of the way and id like to suport ya :D
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Care to elaborate on what you agree with? That the argument is stupid, that an RP'ing forum would solve everything...what?
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RPrs have to remember that they were kicked by the majority. The majority may be biased and nonsensical, but damn, they're the majority. The RPrs should host their own servers where they feel "safe".
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Myroc even tested the CutForce by entering with an RP'ing name...with no intention of the sort...and was kicked upon arrival.
I did what?
I have never done or even had the intention of doing such a thing. Who the hell has been posing as me!?
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I don't know much about roleplaying, but does me masquerading as Kung-Fu Cutman of Team Rocket count as roleplaying?
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FINALLY. I was beginning to wonder why this topic didn't exist beforehand.
I wholeheartedly agree with the need for RP separation, and personally, I think that both can be implemented. An RP subforum could be put under the "Anything Goes" forum, and if RPers want to gather games together, they can start their own servers and have planning threads in Anything Goes.
This way, the RPers *coughFLANcough* can have fun without being cut into paper dolls votekicked or trolled, and the Mega Busters *coughYDcough* can keep on a-bustin' without having their chat box flooded.
Personally, as an RPer myself (albeit not through Deathmatch), I can see the standpoints both sides bring to the table. I enjoy having a little RP fun now and then, but that's on a different site, and with other RPers. I don't want RPing in my 8-bit FPS. When I play my 8-bit FPS, I want people to explode when I Charge Kick their Crash Bombs!
So, while RPing in a Mega Man 3D FPS setting is fun for some, I prefer my fragging and teabagging to come without it. SEPARATE PLZ.
**SmashBro's views do not represent the views of CutStuff, Inc. or any of its affiliated members. If you were offended, I'm sorry, I didn't mean it... Unless your name is Blaster Buster, then I really meant it.
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IMO, RPers and NRPers should get along. Anyone against it should be promptly kicked off and possibly banned for troll behavior.
EXCEPT if the condition is of them "speaking" more than playing, which tends to be only trolls doing their "job" as far as I've witnessed.
Hosting a server is NOT easy. The Skulltag we are "forced" to use is always an unstable, ISP may fluctuate connection speed greatly, distance can and will hinder HEAVILY a player's movement.
We are a COMMUNITY, not political groups fighting to get their spot above everyone. Either we work together or do nothing at all. 'Cause going against will only bring harm and delay.
Also, I've seen often RPers doing a better job at team work. Which, is in fact, what they know the MOST. as for NRPers? They either go "lone wolf" or troll around.
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I think that both can be implemented. An RP subforum could be put under the "Anything Goes" forum, and if RPers want to gather games together, they can start their own servers and have planning threads in Anything Goes.
I will do this under the following conditions:
1. At least 10 people are willing to join this new forum (a list of people explaining why they want it should be sufficient).
2. A group leader can be chosen to maintain the forum, add new users to the group etc.
3. Not expect me to sort things out (drama/leaked server passwords etc)
The forum would of course be private to the users of this new group (otherwise it doesn't make sense to bother making it).
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I believe I have a unique perspective on this whole ordeal, since I was there when OJ was telling the duel scene about NRP and related asshattery.
Personally, I'm perfectly fine with RP. Heck, I had buckets of fun with it on ye olden Chaotic forums. However, I dislike it when RPers hijack a server with players in it and start spamming up the chatbox. It is very distracting to the people who are playing as intended, and when I see such behavior I try to convince those responsible to find an empty server to dick around in or start their own.
I would also appreciate a forum dedicated to RP threads and server planning, and would volunteer to lock/trash trolling and drama when nessescary.
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1. At least 10 people are willing to join this new forum (a list of people explaining why they want it should be sufficient)
I am willing to join.
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1. At least 10 people are willing to join this new forum (a list of people explaining why they want it should be sufficient).
2. A group leader can be chosen to maintain the forum, add new users to the group etc.
Eh-Hem...
I would be more than willing to moderate it myself, as I am an experienced role-player myself--although I don't get to role-play as much as I'd like.
Not only am I willing to be in this group, I'm willing to manage it and look for new possible members.
Counting Kapus, Flan (Presumed) , and Me, that's three people. With the CutForce's leader gone, the war here is pretty much over, but an RP forum is still something I'd really like to see.
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I might as well say my opinions on this here.
I LOATHE about 99% of role-playing. Usually, it ends up with two people saying sexual stuff to each others and gets incredibly awkward.
HOWEVER, they still have the right to do it. I'm not going to attack them every time I see it, and people who do attack them are just as annoying as the RPing itself. I just wish people would keep it in their own servers.
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OOOH politics.
I am a lousy RPer, I tried it a couple times and got bored.
That being said I do like to watch the occasional game. especially if it is an interesting subject.
anyway, I kinda agee that Roleplaying should stick to a dedicated server, I never had any issues with the "clogging up the chatbox" bit though. (Perhaps because I mostly play singleplayer doom mods and I don't experience it enough.) rather, I think that the roleplayers are idiots for trying to play in an area where it is easy to get a metalblade to the face randomly.
Just my opinion, don't take it too seriously
-bob.
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stop shooting me this is role play
*vote kick*
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stop shooting me this is role play
*vote kick*
When I play my 8-bit FPS, I want people to explode when I Charge Kick their Crash Bombs!
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Honestly, this is a quick enough fix.
Role players should host their own servers to role play.
It isn't that difficult.
Provided that they do this, the cutforce (and anyone else who doesn't like their games) should leave them alone.
Why is this an issue?
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Because People Are Idiots™ and think that this is some war or something.
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I Would Be Willing To Join The RP Fourm
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Nice 3-month topic bump.
I don't think the RP forum is going to happen.
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Especially after how the RP topic turned out, I'm not to keen on seeing a forum for this.
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Especially after how the RP topic turned out, I'm not to keen on seeing a forum for this.
Patience, dear mods--nobody's good at RPing their first time. We could either have it be secluded with little fun--or we could try to teach them (something I notice this community is unwilling to do) .
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A much better question is why are people RPing in a FPS rather than just starting an IRQ somewhere.
This should probably go under the suggestions page, but it's relevant here so...
1. Why doesn't the 'ignore player' settings save a running list rather than having to be set up every time I log on?
2. Is there an option to just turn off player chat entirely without having to do a player-by-player selection?
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s there an option to just turn off player chat entirely without having to do a player-by-player selection?
Yes. Hit F8.
But this (silly) topic has already been discussed. There's no reason to bring it back from the dead.
We really don't need a separate forum for RPs. Just use Anything Goes for that. (or Mega Man discussion if it's a Mega Man RP)
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I think F12 is turning off chat.
Bleh, Kapus ninja
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...Whoops, Didnt know this topic was that old...
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Same whenever I bump topics.
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And yet the issue hasn't been resolved yet, *Cough* *Cough* Flashinthedark *Cough* *Cough*.
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Yay bumps?
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Don't know why this topic keeps coming back, it was pointless to begin with.
I would advise locking it, but I'm not the OP.