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Title: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: Magnet Dood on May 09, 2011, 01:00:32 AM

I was on a server today, and I was being interviewed on my favorite Robot Master. We got to Mega Man 5 eventually, and one of the people kept wailing on it saying it was the worst game. Other people got on board, and said that Mega Man 5 had the worst stages, weapons, even music!

Mega Man 5, in my opinion, is a great game. It was my first Mega Man game ever! (I played it at my friend's house one day.) So why does everybody hate it?

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: Nuy on May 09, 2011, 01:04:36 AM

Awful music, Awful weapons(hold for gyro), and Awful level design. Also the fact that 1ups pretty much rain from the sky.
Now better question: Why does everyone hate Top Spin? Hm? HM?!?!

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: Kenkoru on May 09, 2011, 01:08:10 AM

Here's a better question: Why does everyone hate MM7? Answer: BrentalFloss said it sucked, so it does.

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: brotoad on May 09, 2011, 01:11:15 AM

i don't see whats wrong with the level design, especially when games like X6 exist!
mm5 was great, not the best in the series, but still cool!

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: Tails on May 09, 2011, 01:11:30 AM

To top it all off, the Masters themselves are a little.. blandish. Sure, Napalmman is a tank and Chargeman is a train and that's cool, but I have a hard time remembering these people. Especially Crystal Man, his colors blend in well so it looks like he's a white thing. Crystal Man's stage theme isn't that good either.

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: CutmanMike on May 09, 2011, 01:13:05 AM

I have the hardest time remembering what robot masters are in mm5 that's for sure.

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: RebootRaeg on May 09, 2011, 01:19:33 AM

I don't even remember what Robot Masters are in MM5 except for the ones that were just mentioned.

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: Magnet Dood on May 09, 2011, 01:19:50 AM

I like Mega Man 5 a lot though. Half of my favorite masters (Crystal, Charge, Gravity, Wave AND Stone Man) are there. Plus, I think that game has some of the best music. The levels are very fun too.

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: Nuy on May 09, 2011, 01:29:53 AM

Quote from: "CutmanMike"

I have the hardest time remembering what robot masters are in mm5 that's for sure.

Same for me but replace robot masters with songs. I can't tell them apart for the life of me!
Also the level design isnt bad persay but it could be greatly improved upon. Stuff like Wave Man and Wily 2.. just ugh.

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: Chugger11 on May 09, 2011, 01:32:39 AM

Hey, I like megaman 5! I think the robot masters are pretty cool. :mrgreen:

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: Magnet Dood on May 09, 2011, 01:35:43 AM

Yeah, I know! You have a Charge Man avatar for cryin out loud!

At least Mega Man 5 wasn't rushed like Mega Man 3. Mega Man 3 was horribly broken in my oppinion. They had an incomplete damage circle, the levels were very short, and you got some pretty terrible weapons.

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: Nuy on May 09, 2011, 01:38:57 AM

Quote from: "Magnet Dood"

At least Mega Man 5 wasn't rushed like Mega Man 3. Mega Man 3 was horribly broken in my oppinion. They had an incomplete damage circle, the levels were very short, and you got some pretty terrible weapons.

Mega Man 5 wasn't rushed? Dark Man 1 and onwards seem pretty crappy. And Mega Man 3 was really broken except maybe shadow blade. Speaking of Shadow Blade, what were the horibble weapons? The only bad one I can think of is Spark Shock.

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: Magnet Dood on May 09, 2011, 01:44:00 AM

*coughtopspincough*

Before you bring up the arguement "it didn't work when you tried it the first time that's why you hate it" I've done it numerous times. IT SUCKS. And other bad weapons? Hard Knuckle doesn't help much, and Spark Shock is pretty stupid.

And why do you not like the Dark Men? I thought they were pretty amusing.

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: Chugger11 on May 09, 2011, 01:47:26 AM

Quote from: "Magnet Dood"

*coughtopspincough*

Before you bring up the arguement "it didn't work when you tried it the first time that's why you hate it" I've done it numerous times. IT SUCKS. And other bad weapons? Hard Knuckle doesn't help much, and Spark Shock is pretty stupid.

And why do you not like the Dark Men? I thought they were pretty amusing.

Meh... They were okay...Meh
MM3 wasn't the best Megaman Game out there...

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: Nuy on May 09, 2011, 01:50:20 AM

Not them themselves, their levels. Also bring up reasons as to why top spin sucks. If you're saying "You get damaged when using it!1111!!11!!@@1e11" Then you're either not using it correctly or you're basing it by using it against shadow man which is a horrid why to judge a weapon, not to mention if you grazed him in mm2gb you wouldn't get hurt.
For the best possible way to explain why top spin DOESNT suck, I'm going to resort to Qzecwx.

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And again

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Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: Kapus on May 09, 2011, 01:52:00 AM

MM5 was the first Mega Man game I had ever played, so it holds a special place for me.

I can disagree with just about everything that has been stated in this topic. I find MM5 to have a very memorable soundtrack, slightly memorable robot masters(Stoneman and Waveman feel kinda bland, but that's it) and fun level design. Yes, 1ups rain from the sky and the overpowered Mega Buster makes the game incredibly easy, but it's still very fun to play.
Despite popular opinion, I actually have a lot of fun with the MM5 weapons. Sure, since the Mega Buster is so overpowered, you don't need any of the weapons, but they're still fun. Napalm Bomb and Power Stone aside, of course.


The difficulty(or lack thereof) and a couple of the weapons are the only things I really didn't like about this game. A solid entry in the series, I think.



This is all a matter of opinion, of course. Most people I see dislike MM5 for the weapon selection and the soundtrack, both of which I like. One man's trash is another man's treasure!

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: Magnet Dood on May 09, 2011, 01:57:44 AM

While I will admit that's pretty awesome...

I still don't like Top Spin.

1) You do get damaged while using it.
2) It doesn't work against the weakest of enemies.
3) It's completely useless until you get to Gamma/Shadow Man.

I think the tops Top Man threw would have been a better weapon.

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: Kapus on May 09, 2011, 02:01:29 AM

This is a little off topic, eh.

Yes, you sometimes get damaged when using top spin.
Yes, it eats ammo like crazy.

Useless against weak enemies? No. Useless period? No. Nu just demonstrated the uses of Top Spin. Sure, it's much more practical to shoot the enemies with the Mega Buster, but that applies to all weapons in MM3, and most of the weapons in the MM series period. In most cases it is a better choice to use the Mega Buster, but who wants to do that? Using the various weapons you are given is much more fun.

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: Nuy on May 09, 2011, 02:03:11 AM

Quote from: "Magnet Dood"

1) You do get damaged while using it.
2) It doesn't work against the weakest of enemies.
3) It's completely useless until you get to Gamma/Shadow Man.

1) No, you don't.. like I said, if you get damaged, you're either using it against a boss or not using it correctly.
2) If they're so weak why not kill them with something else? Top spin works on stronger enemies, thats kind of the point.
3) Given a lot of pepole dont use weapons out side of boss rooms, I have no room to argue here.
Anyway, I'm done arguing.

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: Ivory on May 09, 2011, 02:27:18 AM

I love Mega Man 5. It's highly underrated. The music was great, despite what some people may think. I could play MM5. It wasn't like playing MMX6.

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: LlamaHombre on May 09, 2011, 02:33:56 AM

I'm going to be honest here.
MM5 is my third favorite behind 6 and Bass.

The music is BEAUTIFUL if you give it a chance, the levels are diverse and unique, the weapons DON'T suck, and the bosses stand out to me more than MM2 and MM4's.

I have to hit my head a few times to remember that Heat Man, Wood Man, and Dive Man exist.

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: brotoad on May 09, 2011, 02:43:17 AM

Quote from: "*Nu*"

Quote from: "Magnet Dood"

1) You do get damaged while using it.
2) It doesn't work against the weakest of enemies.
3) It's completely useless until you get to Gamma/Shadow Man.

1) No, you don't.. like I said, if you get damaged, you're either using it against a boss or not using it correctly.
2) If they're so weak why not kill them with something else? Top spin works on stronger enemies, thats kind of the point.
3) Given a lot of pepole dont use weapons out side of boss rooms, I have no room to argue here.
Anyway, I'm done arguing.

i think that only using the megabuster is boring!
and top spin is only useful if you spend ages trying to make it work. it's not something you could just use the first time and make it a viable threat to enemies.

mm5 has some great robots. especially chargeman and napalmman. starman too for having the first space level even if it was a retextured waterlevel

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: LlamaHombre on May 09, 2011, 02:46:44 AM

I think the real question ought to be "why does nobody remember MM6?"

The met machine in tomahawkman's stage gets no love...

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: Ivory on May 09, 2011, 03:04:21 AM

MM6 is one of my favorite games as well. MM4-6 were my favorites.

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: Tails on May 09, 2011, 03:43:09 AM

?Warning! Giant rant!?

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To be honest, I don't find Megaman 5 memorable. Something about it makes me forget what happened and who I just fought. I honestly find it oveshadowed compared to MM3 and MM3. Meh, maybe it's just me?
I sadly await Megaman 5 fans to yell at me and pelt me with rocks..
But yeh, I find the weapons to be not as fun as the others (Though I like Gravity Hold), most of the robot masters to be oh so bland, and the music is.. debatable. You get some great tracks like Stone Man and Wave Man. Others have.. awkward melodies. I'm sorry, I cannot stand Starman, or Crystalman to name a few. In all, I find half the robot master music good (Napalm, I find is the best), the others are just weird. I never really listened further, so I can't judge Darkman and such.

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: Mr. X on May 09, 2011, 03:48:08 AM

I like MM5.  It was my first entry into the series.  However, when I played them all again back when MM9 was coming out, it was the most tired feeling game (read:  not worst, just tired.  See MM8 for worst).  Although I actually like the robot master designs, their stages, music, and weapons all just seem mediocre.  Plus, it has two of my most hated weapons:  Charge Kick and Power Stone.  Also, how they managed to f*** up Rush Coil is beyond me, but they did.

Oh, and Top Spin sucks.  I have tried using it and in every conceivable way I can and I still get hit.  Plus, you've got the whole "BOOM NO WEAPON ENERGY" problem.  Even if it worked flawlessly, it would still suck.  In a game about shooting things, why would I try to dodge a bunch of fire to get to somebody's face and spin into them when I can just shoot them from far away with any other weapon?

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: Nuy on May 09, 2011, 03:54:20 AM

Quote from: "Mr. X"

Plus, you've got the whole "BOOM NO WEAPON ENERGY" problem

Tis a glitch involving post damage invulnerability, again only when you're using it wrong/against shadow man. It was fixed in Wily Wars and MM2GB.
And the whole "Why use it blah blah blah" Its your choice. I personally find spinning into an enemy a lot funner thus I use it. Why use it? Its different. But thats just me.

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: -FiniteZero- on May 09, 2011, 04:06:23 AM

Getting this out of the way: Top Spin is awesome. It one hit kills the enemies it affects and only uses one bar of energy to do so. If you use it on an enemy that it doesn't affect, you get damaged. So, DON'T USE IT AGAINST THAT ENEMY AGAIN! So simple, yet people seem not to get it... I mean, if it affected ALL enemies, it would be overpowered.

But this is about Mega Man 5. Which is awesome.

1) Cool Robot Masters (A robot that can control gravity? Yes please!)
2) Cool stages (The first space stage, and the only stage so far that involves gravity flipping.)
3) Power Stone does not suck. You just need to learn how to use it, and that isn't too difficult.
4) Charge Kick does not suck. You just need to learn the right places to use it.
5) The music is awesome. End of argument.

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: Mr. X on May 09, 2011, 04:10:13 AM

So I'm just supposed to guess what enemy it works against and if I guess wrong, I get hit?  WTF.  Also, I don't care if the weapon energy drains when you use it at the wrong time, the fact that a wrong time to use it where your weapon energy will drain is a problem in the first place.  Going back to MM5, Charge Kick has the same problems as Top Spin, only not quite as bad (I once said it was worse but I retract it):  sometimes hit while using it, melee attack where not needed.  Also, Power Stone I think sucks but I still don't put it in Top Spin/Charge Kick/Thunder Wool territory.  I've actually hit somebody with it.

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: Myroc on May 09, 2011, 07:23:10 AM

Quote from: "Mr. X"

So I'm just supposed to guess what enemy it works against and if I guess wrong, I get hit?

Oh man up. Experimenting what weapons are effective against which enemies is an integral part of the overall megaman experience. Once you finally manage to figure out what enemies are susceptible to it, it's a really, really decent weapon.

Save for the running grenades and the met dozers, it kills every enemy in Shadow Man's stage. All of them. It also easily deals with those annoying screw things you see all over the place.

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: Kapus on May 09, 2011, 09:55:32 AM

I just want to say that Charge Kick is my favorite weapon in MM5 and one of my favorite weapons in the series period. I almost always equip charge kick if I'm not using any other weapon.

Also, I keep hearing people say they have trouble remembering robot masters from MM5. Am I the only one who can remember any robot master from the entire series on a beat?

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: Tails on May 09, 2011, 10:39:06 AM

Why do people like Gyroman again? I never understood him and his large amount of fans .-.

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: Kapus on May 09, 2011, 10:51:14 AM

Because Helicopters are awesome.


Also, he has the best robot master theme in MM5 and probably the most useful weapon.

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: brawlman9876 on May 09, 2011, 10:59:58 AM

MM5 is better then MM2 imo, its so underrated.
but lets face it everyone, we're not really going to change any minds here, opinion battles never turn out well!
all the music is great, just look at dark man castle or wilys theme, or napalms, they are all good.
i think the only thing the messed up in MM5 a little, was rush coil.

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: MagnetMan497 on May 09, 2011, 12:04:17 PM

I admit, MM5 is my favorite game in the series. It's quite underrated yet I just found it a hell of a lot of fun.

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: -FiniteZero- on May 09, 2011, 01:03:38 PM

Quote from: "Kapus"

I just want to say that Charge Kick is my favorite weapon in MM5 and one of my favorite weapons in the series period. I almost always equip charge kick if I'm not using any other weapon.

Also, I keep hearing people say they have trouble remembering robot masters from MM5. Am I the only one who can remember any robot master from the entire series on a beat?

Nope, I can too. In fact, I remember not only every single Robot Master, but their weapons and weaknesses. In my oppinion, if you didn't memorize every single RM, you aren't a true Mega Man nerd.

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: Ivory on May 09, 2011, 04:53:53 PM

I know every robot master as well. I also often forget not everyone can recall any given robot master at any given time.

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: Mr. X on May 09, 2011, 05:30:39 PM

I always seem to stall on about one robot master per game when trying to remember them, and it's always the same ones (Chill, Search, Junk, etc) but that's usually a "which one didn't I list" thing than a "I don't remember that guy."  Anyways, as I said, although the gameplay is a bit more tired than the rest, I still love the robot masters in this game.  They all seem awesome to me (well, Stone Man probably less than the rest, but whatever, he's still good).

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: Max on May 09, 2011, 05:33:40 PM

Quote from: "Mr. X"

They all seem awesome to me (well, Stone Man probably less than the rest, but whatever, he's still good).

I seem to recall you saying me hating Charge Man was ironic.

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: ice on May 09, 2011, 05:35:10 PM

I LOVED mm5, as for people hateing top spin, is was as usess as spark shock, it dosent even do anything but makes them dissapear then damage you, (wonders why the heck its a instagib weapon in mm8bdm)

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: Mr. X on May 09, 2011, 05:36:31 PM

Quote from: "Yellow Devil"

Quote from: "Mr. X"

They all seem awesome to me (well, Stone Man probably less than the rest, but whatever, he's still good).

I seem to recall you saying me hating Charge Man was ironic.

I picked Stone because I figured he'd be easy to make.

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: brotoad on May 09, 2011, 05:39:16 PM

Quote from: "ice"

I LOVED mm5, as for people hateing top spin, is was as usess as spark shock, it dosent even do anything but makes them dissapear then damage you, (wonders why the heck its a instagib weapon in mm8bdm)

it killed gamma in one hit. thats why

that and if it wasn't instakill it would have absolutely no use at all

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: Nuy on May 09, 2011, 05:47:59 PM

-Sigh- Look, for the 100th time, if you use Top Spin correctly you DON'T  get hurt! Why doesnt anyone understand that?

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: Mr. X on May 09, 2011, 05:49:49 PM

Look, I've tried using it as I'm hitting the enemy, slightly before hitting the enemy, and well before hitting the enemy.  All three times, I got hurt.

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: Nuy on May 09, 2011, 05:52:18 PM

As I've shown you don't get hurt so that's more so your problem.

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: Mr. X on May 09, 2011, 05:53:19 PM

Yeah, I guess it's my problem the weapon doesn't do the God damn thing it's supposed to do.

Speaking of weapons, the weapon I don't understand the hate for is water wave.  I find it just fine for hitting ground enemies.

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: Nuy on May 09, 2011, 06:01:33 PM

No it's your fault that you dont know how to use it and just say that the weapon sucks. The weapon doesn't affect every enemy so that was more likely your issue.

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: Mr. X on May 09, 2011, 06:04:47 PM

That doesn't change the fact that I shouldn't be punished for not knowing what enemies it can be used on.  Either way, it was not a well thought out weapon.

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: Ivory on May 09, 2011, 06:19:53 PM

Mr X, Nu. This is starting to get heated. Everyone is going to have their own opinions on weapons. Respect it and don't start arguing because you can't see eye to eye.

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: Mr. Sean Nelson on May 09, 2011, 06:45:02 PM

As far as people disliking MM5 and 7, that's fine.
The only problem is that they usually don't say that they don't like them, but that you shouldn't like them either.
Since entertainment is entirely subjective, that is simply ridiculous.
I liked both 5 and 7. Sure, they both had a few problems, but all MM games did.
Personally, I disliked 4 the most, though I still play it from time to time.
Although I thought Dr. Cossack was cool, I felt the game (RMs, music, gameplay) was not up to par.

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: Kapus on May 09, 2011, 06:57:25 PM

I actually think that MM4 has one of the best soundtracks in the series. I also think it is the most balanced game in terms of gameplay. All of the Robot Master Weapons were useful, the slide was less stiff than it was in MM3 and the game had some very nice adapters. MM4 is one of my favorite (if not my favorite) entries in the series.

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: TheBladeRoden on May 09, 2011, 07:15:10 PM

Quote from: "RebootRaeg"

I don't even remember what Robot Masters are in MM5 except for the ones that were just mentioned.

lets see if i can name them all without looking
Charge Man
Wave Man
Napalm Man
Star Man
Gyro Man
Stone Man
Gravity Man
...
hrmmm I can do this!
Oh yeah duh Crystal Man

I guess he is forgettable

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: Max on May 09, 2011, 07:23:18 PM

I use weakness cycles to remember robot masters!

Stone
Charge
Wave
Star
Gravity
Gyro
Crystal
Napalm

easy!

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: Mr. X on May 09, 2011, 07:34:29 PM

Quote from: "TheBladeRoden"

Quote from: "RebootRaeg"

I don't even remember what Robot Masters are in MM5 except for the ones that were just mentioned.

lets see if i can name them all without looking
Charge Man
Wave Man
Napalm Man
Star Man
Gyro Man
Stone Man
Gravity Man
...
hrmmm I can do this!
Oh yeah duh Crystal Man

I guess he is forgettable

LOL, when I said there's always one I seem to get stuck on when listing them all from each game, Crystal is always the one I get stuck on in MM5.

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: LlamaHombre on May 09, 2011, 07:46:43 PM

I once saw here that MM5 fucked up Rush Coil.

It is in my honest opinion, better this way.

Because if that version was in MM9, DW2 would be SO MUCH more easy as you could just use Rush Coil and get Half-Way up to the spikes in the IMPOSSIBLE JUMP section, and then just jump off afterwards down into the cubby below.

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: Mr. X on May 09, 2011, 07:53:06 PM

Well, in theory it would be better.  However, it has a tendency to just not work.  I'd say about 30% of the time I'm trying to use it, I jump through Rush and then when I jump again, he jumps at the same time and leaves thus wasting time and weapon energy.

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: Magnet Dood on May 09, 2011, 09:20:54 PM

Ok, then, time to give my *NEW* two cents on this topic.

Everybody is saying that Top Spin is not useless. If you want to make a topic that says "Top Spin does not suck", be my guest. But look at the title on this topic:

Why does everyone hate MM5?

This has NOTHING to do with Top Spin. Go whine about how good it is somewhere else, and we'll argue about it later.

I honestly am confused on how some of you guys say "The Robot Masters are forgetable." While I will agree with some of them, there ARE others who have gotten some rather large recognition, such as Nampalm Man, Gyro Man, and Gravity Man. I think the game has some of the best soundtrack (MM4 being a close second) and the weapons were fairly good compared to others. Sure, some weren't that good, but others were very innovative and a hell of a lot of fun. The levels, some being a tad contradictory to others (No underwater segment in Wave Man's stage? Hmph...), were nice. I mean, how many times has Mega Man fought someone on a speeding train, a factory with gravity changers, or in Vietnam? No other times before this game. Heck, a part of Mega Man 9 bought a section of Wave Man's stage back! I think this game deserves recognition as one of the better games in the Mega Man franchise, because, while not being the very best, it definetly is a solid addition of the series.

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: Chugger11 on May 09, 2011, 10:17:58 PM

Quote from: "Magnet Dood"

Ok, then, time to give my *NEW* two cents on this topic.

Everybody is saying that Top Spin is not useless. If you want to make a topic that says "Top Spin does not suck", be my guest. But look at the title on this topic:

Why does everyone hate MM5?

This has NOTHING to do with Top Spin. Go whine about how good it is somewhere else, and we'll argue about it later.

I honestly am confused on how some of you guys say "The Robot Masters are forgetable." While I will agree with some of them, there ARE others who have gotten some rather large recognition, such as Nampalm Man, Gyro Man, and Gravity Man. I think the game has some of the best soundtrack (MM4 being a close second) and the weapons were fairly good compared to others. Sure, some weren't that good, but others were very innovative and a  @#!*%  of a lot of fun. The levels, some being a tad contradictory to others (No underwater segment in Wave Man's stage? Hmph...), were nice. I mean, how many times has Mega Man fought someone on a speeding train, a factory with gravity changers, or in Vietnam? No other times before this game. Heck, a part of Mega Man 9 bought a section of Wave Man's stage back! I think this game deserves recognition as one of the better games in the Mega Man franchise, because, while not being the very best, it definetly is a solid addition of the series.

I agree with Magnet Dood!!!! (Top Spin is kinda dumb though...)

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: Mr. Sean Nelson on May 10, 2011, 01:00:14 AM

Quote from: "Magnet Dood"

Ok, then, time to give my *NEW* two cents on this topic.

Everybody is saying that Top Spin is not useless. If you want to make a topic that says "Top Spin does not suck", be my guest. But look at the title on this topic:

Why does everyone hate MM5?

This has NOTHING to do with Top Spin. Go whine about how good it is somewhere else, and we'll argue about it later.

I honestly am confused on how some of you guys say "The Robot Masters are forgetable." While I will agree with some of them, there ARE others who have gotten some rather large recognition, such as Nampalm Man, Gyro Man, and Gravity Man. I think the game has some of the best soundtrack (MM4 being a close second) and the weapons were fairly good compared to others. Sure, some weren't that good, but others were very innovative and a hell of a lot of fun. The levels, some being a tad contradictory to others (No underwater segment in Wave Man's stage? Hmph...), were nice. I mean, how many times has Mega Man fought someone on a speeding train, a factory with gravity changers, or in Vietnam? No other times before this game. Heck, a part of Mega Man 9 bought a section of Wave Man's stage back! I think this game deserves recognition as one of the better games in the Mega Man franchise, because, while not being the very best, it definetly is a solid addition of the series.

Since Proto Man was the coolest guy around before Bass (In my opinion), thinking he was the bad guy was pretty badass.

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: Kapus on May 10, 2011, 01:53:15 AM

Now lets ask people why they hate MM8.

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: Emmanuelf06 on May 10, 2011, 02:09:47 AM

A lot of guys who hate mm5 are the arrogants who want absolutly a hard megaman game.

MM5 is the easiest Megaman game (for me), and it's maybe the reason, this game is not liked.

I know a guy on youtube who do speedrun (boss or stages) on the megaman classic games, and he hates mm5, because "no skill".

For me mm5 is a very beautifull game, the ambiance is the most important for me in a game.
MM5 and the musics are wonderfuuuuuull !!!!

Gravityman, sad music but beautifull
Gyroman, Happy very good music
Stoneman, Very fun music...
And others.

MM5 is underrated just because it is too easy i think. But its one of my favorite!

And the robotmasters of mm5 have a fun design!

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: -FiniteZero- on May 10, 2011, 02:10:58 AM

Quote from: "Kapus"

Now lets ask people why they hate MM8.

...I have no idea. Personally, I love the game. (I'm not kidding. Yeah, the voice acting is horrible, but Dr. Light's Elmer Fudd impersination is priceless.)

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: MagnetMan497 on May 10, 2011, 02:13:12 AM

Quote from: "Kapus"

Now lets ask people why they hate MM8.

Child molesters for robot masters is not good for them youngsters.

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: Nuy on May 10, 2011, 02:17:12 AM

Quote from: "MagnetMan497"

Quote from: "Kapus"

Now lets ask people why they hate MM8.

Child molesters for robot masters is not good for them youngsters.

Implying voice acting IS the game. Honestly, besides Rose, the only complaints I ever hear about this game is "the voice acting sucks".

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: MagnetMan497 on May 10, 2011, 02:21:27 AM

Not only the voice acting. He pulls HIS HANDS FROM UNDERGROUND, fondles Megaman and throws him about.

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: Magnet Dood on May 10, 2011, 02:32:06 AM

So... Mega Man 5, anyone?

You guys get off topic way too easily. >_<

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: Kapus on May 10, 2011, 02:36:13 AM

We already discussed MM5 for 6 pages or so already. I think everybody has said all they had to say.

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: Magnet Dood on May 10, 2011, 02:38:01 AM

I'm just saying, this is a topic on Mega Man5, not 8.

By the way, I think Grenade Man's voice is hilarious.

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: Kapus on May 10, 2011, 02:43:18 AM

Yes, but instead of making multiple topics to discuss each game, I think it's better to use this topic to discuss the less popular games in general.

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: Emmanuelf06 on May 10, 2011, 02:45:46 AM

Megaman8 was cute but i didnt like really the musics, except intro and frostman, and Aquaman , maybe......

But the game is not bad at all. (Frostman theme <3

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: Magnet Dood on May 10, 2011, 02:46:51 AM

Quote

Yes, but instead of making multiple topics to discuss each game, I think it's better to use this topic to discuss the less popular games in general.

Eh, well, can't argue with you there...

I just want to say something on the Power Stone, though. The Power Stone is NOT useless. You're not supposed to use it right next to a person. It helps A LOT when getting far away enemies. Basically, it's like Top Spin. You have to be good with it to use it effiecently.

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: Kapus on May 10, 2011, 03:03:17 AM

I know Power Stone isn't useless. It's good to use when you are surrounded by flying enemies (especially lyrics), but it gets outclassed by Gravity Hold. Doesn't help that I always take on Gravity Man first.

Then again, I always make sure I use every weapon in the game equally!

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: Mr. X on May 10, 2011, 03:07:10 AM

Yeah, I think Power Stone is a bit underrated.  I still think it's bad, but not "OMG HORRIBLE" bad.

As for MM8, here's why I think it sucked.

1.  Voice Acting:  Although not as bad as MMX4, it was annoying.  But, as mentioned, voice acting =/= game.  However, you can still hold it against the game.
2.  Music:  I honestly can't hum a single song in the whole game and I've actually played it slightly more than most other games in the series.  Actually, I can hum Frost Man's, but that's only because I hear it a lot in Sick Sad World's stage.
3.  Weapons:  While I commend them for having the idea to force you to use weapons in the later stages, the weapon set itself isn't too spectacular (Water Balloon, Mega Ball anyone?)
4.  Gameplay:  Everything seems soooooo ssssssssssslllllllllllloooooooowwwww (and don't say "but the snowboard", one part =/= the whole game).  Mega Man runs slower than my Grandma with a broken hip, the bullets move slow, everything just seems to move at a leisurely pace and the music reflects that.  The level design just seems kind of there to me:  nothing terrible yet nothing good.  Swimming is awkward.  The stages are too long to the point where they long outstay their welcome.  I say it should have had two castles/a longer castle as opposed to long master stages.  At first, I thought it was a good idea to have longer master stages, but the slow pace of the game is just amplified by long levels.
5.  Robot Masters:  Clown Man is just weird, Search Man has both a dumb name and dumb design, and Tengu Man is the "we're totally out of ideas" master.

PS - Since Kapus posted before me, I must say that I too take Gravity Man down first.  I saw a bunch of sites a while back say take him on last since he's the hardest.  Considering the fact that he was the only robot master I could even get to let alone beat as a kid, I call BS on that one.

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: Tails on May 10, 2011, 03:12:59 AM

I personally love Megaman 8, maybe it's just me. Clownman is AWESOME; compared to other voice actors like SEARCH MAN or HANDSOME GUY, he's pretty good. The only complaints that I've ever heard of is the voice acting is terrible and CLOWNMAN ES SOO GGAY HE WANTS TO RAP U!1 That really get's on my nerve's; Capcom obviously didn't purposely but a RAPIST in a child's game D:

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: Jafar on May 10, 2011, 03:28:18 AM

Is Tengu Man really any worse than Centaur Man? :p

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: Mr. X on May 10, 2011, 03:29:55 AM

Hey, I'm not saying the robot masters are the worst.  I'm saying they aren't that good.

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: Kapus on May 10, 2011, 03:35:45 AM

Quote from: "Jafar"

Is Tengu Man really any worse than Centaur Man? :p

Hey, I love Centaur Man! He's my favorite robot master from MM6!



..Even if his name is redundant!

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: Jafar on May 10, 2011, 03:55:36 AM

My point was that they're both mythology based Robot Masters. Both of them are okay in my book.

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: Kapus on May 10, 2011, 04:11:35 AM

Oh. I misinterpreted that.

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: HertzDevil on May 10, 2011, 08:50:28 AM

why does nobody hate metal blade

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: Kapus on May 10, 2011, 09:29:17 AM

I hate Metal Blade.


There you go.

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: brotoad on May 10, 2011, 09:34:34 AM

Quote from: "nicetas_c"

why does nobody hate metal blade

because using an overpowered weapon that decimates nearly everything on screen is amazing fun to use.

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: Nuy on May 10, 2011, 12:17:24 PM

IIRC Power Stone does the same amount of damage as an uncharged Mega Buster shot so in my opinion, it's still useless. Others might find use in it if they can aim it, but I can't so meh.

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: HertzDevil on May 10, 2011, 07:10:11 PM

metal blade's damage is half as much as quick boomerang and its ammo is like a quarter as much as quick's

also mega man 7 beta scorch wheel is the ultimate weapon if you speak for decimation

EDIT: Well then, Gravity Man has a PREDEFINED constant path.

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: LlamaHombre on May 10, 2011, 07:44:24 PM

All of them are better than 2.

Just my wholehearted opinion here, but I need to say it.

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: easyaspi on May 10, 2011, 08:54:50 PM

I actually enjoy MM5, and the rom hacks are pretty enjoyable too. I love all the Megaman games equally.
Except MMX6. Not a good idea. Not only it only took Capcom about 6 months to make.

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: Cheminometry on May 11, 2011, 08:09:23 PM

I don't know, I really do like Mega Man 5. The only realy garbage weapon is the Power Stone, which is at least wieldable enough to work against the RM it's strong against. *AHEMmovingweheelAHEM* The music is nice too, I don't see the hate. The entire classic series is fun and the worst of it is at least adequate, imo.

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: Magnet Dood on May 11, 2011, 08:12:50 PM

Which one is the worst?

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: Cheminometry on May 11, 2011, 08:18:05 PM

In my opinion? 7 is the "worst" but that's like saying there's a worst Mario or Zelda (Certain unmentionable games not withstanding). It's not bad, it just doesn't do as well as the rest of the series.

As for why I don't like 7? To be honest, I think a lot of it is bias against the Wily Capsule. I have literally only beaten the game once since the year I got the Aniversarry Collection. That and I think they made Mega Man a little too big, which hindered level design imo. Megaman and Bass got it right, even though his buster shots were so tiny.

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: LlamaHombre on May 11, 2011, 09:21:05 PM

I personally hate MOST of the Zelda series.

Way too easy to get lost, yet I can master most other puzzle games.

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: Kapus on May 12, 2011, 12:55:04 AM

Wily Capsule from MM7 is my favorite boss in the series due to it's difficulty.


My least favorite game is probably 2.

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: Nuy on May 12, 2011, 01:24:58 AM

Wily Capsule 7 is amazing. Highly over rated in difficulty too! I mean its hard, but pepole tremble in fear when they see it. That's just plain silly! Anyway, 2 sucks. Awful music, god awful level design, and awful weapons besides quick boomerang and metal blade. Oh and its is easiest in the series by far. Second easiest would probably be mega man 10's easy mode.

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: LlamaHombre on May 12, 2011, 01:26:59 AM

I think 2 is the hardest for the wrong reasons.

coughbuebeamcough

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: Nuy on May 12, 2011, 01:28:34 AM

Quote from: "LlamaHombre"

coughbuebeamcough

See "god awful level design".

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: Magnet Dood on May 12, 2011, 02:29:23 AM

I like MM2, though... Man, I always seem to disagree with you guys.

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: Mr. Sean Nelson on May 12, 2011, 05:25:53 AM

I like it too, except for that castle boss with the turrets.
That is such a pain!

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: HertzDevil on May 12, 2011, 07:16:50 AM

2 sucks due to airman and wily 1 and metal blade and all those rockman 2 hacks

now show hatred towards rockman & forte 2 and rockman world 2!

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: Ivory on May 12, 2011, 07:40:18 AM

I wonder how many people even realize there was a R&F2.

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: Kingman on May 12, 2011, 09:30:14 AM

Quote from: "Ivory"

I wonder how many people even realize there was a R&F2.

I know Rock Man & Forte 2: Mirai Karai no Chousenama (if I writed this right...)
Anyways, I think this is more badder then Mega Man & Bass.

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: Cheminometry on May 12, 2011, 09:48:22 AM

Was RnF2 the one with Quint? Yeah, saw that in action on youtube, looked terrible.

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: Nuy on May 12, 2011, 01:20:35 PM

Rockman & Forte Mirai kara no Ch?sensha never bothered me. Rockman world 2 however... ugh... that music is soooo bad.

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: MLDKF on May 12, 2011, 08:56:14 PM

Mega Man 5 is...Meh. Just Meh. It's an Okay game. Granted, there aren't too many good weapons, but what good weapons there are actually stick out and prove they're good. The themes aren't memorable? They're pretty good actually and like the Weapons, the good themes stick out. And the robot masters are too bland? Not really. If you take a good time to think about it, we got some cool robots in Mega Man 5. We got a Train, a Tank, a Helicopter Transformer, a Robot that controls Gravity, a robot that has the power of the stars, and a robot with a harpoon. However, I will say that when you stack it up against the other games, it's kind of bland. That's why so many people hated it. It's like the opposite of the Mortal Kombat movies. The only reason the first movie was praised was because the second one was absolute garbage!

What I want to know is, why does everyone hate Mega Man 8? If it's because of Mega Man's voice, it's called a mute button! Use it!

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: Captain Barlowe on May 12, 2011, 10:41:27 PM

Funny, I just finished a run on Megaman 5. Video here. http://livestre.am/GcQR (go shameless prog).
IMO, Megaman 5 isn't a terrible game. And, Power Stone isn't a useless weapon, either. It does provide some awesome moments, IMO.

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: TrueTenguMan on May 14, 2011, 03:16:02 PM

Quote from: "thatguy74"

Megaman 5 isn't a terrible game. And, Power Stone isn't a useless weapon, either. It does provide some awesome moments, IMO.

Meh, each to his own. But it doesn't present itself and it's effectiveness as "useful". I used it on a second playthrough just spending more time to use it effectively than traversing the stage. Granted I used Star crush, Napalm, and Crystal Eye more than power stone...

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: -FiniteZero- on May 15, 2011, 12:53:23 AM

Quote from: "*Nu*"

Rockman & Forte Mirai kara no Ch?sensha never bothered me. Rockman world 2 however... ugh... that music is soooo bad.

I think the music is actually really good, just a little high pitched. Just go on YouTube and look at the 8-bit versions of the themes.

Heck, I made a remix of the title theme myself:

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: LlamaHombre on May 15, 2011, 01:00:13 AM

RockMan World 2 had amazing music, imo.

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: Nuy on May 15, 2011, 01:14:16 AM

That's remixes. And I should rephrase what I said. The music isn't bad but the instruments they used were awful. Air Man's theme was cool though.

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: HertzDevil on May 15, 2011, 08:17:33 PM

So yes rapid fire/autofire and slowdown are the best weapons.

And in terms of 'usefulness', tool assisted speedruns, that is, frame advance.

But if you insist to say that MM5 sucks then let's talk about the weak Rush Coil.

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: Magnet Dood on May 15, 2011, 10:42:32 PM

Yeah, I love Air Man's theme from that game, and Bubble Man's too.

But onto the Rush Coil from MM5. At first, when I tried to use it, I had no idea how to even work it. Now I think it's awesome! Not only do you get the initial jump, but you also get another jump from it by jumping off at the peak of its height!

YEAH!

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: Nuy on May 15, 2011, 10:50:00 PM

Its the exact same thing as the Rush Coil from the other games theres just an extra step of actually jumping off

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: easyaspi on May 16, 2011, 08:15:45 PM

Quote from: "Magnet Dood"

Yeah, I love Air Man's theme from that game, and Bubble Man's too.

Uh, Bubble Man wasn't in that game...

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: Magnet Dood on May 16, 2011, 08:53:22 PM

Bubble Man isn't from MM2? What are you talking about?

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: Nuy on May 16, 2011, 08:55:28 PM

He's talking about the Rockman World 2

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: Magnet Dood on May 16, 2011, 09:06:50 PM

Oh... That explains that.

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: ice on May 17, 2011, 12:28:44 AM

Quote

Random Joe: ugh, star crash is useless

GAH! Why are the falling crystals so random!!! *ragequits*

Starcrash is the best weapon EVER in crytalman's stage, it stops falling crystals

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: CopShowGuy on May 17, 2011, 12:31:44 AM

MM5 has some of my favorite music from the classic series.  The game is too easy though.

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: Tails on May 17, 2011, 10:48:08 AM

I found MM5's music to be either horrible to decent. Half of it was the weird selection of instruments. For example, Starman has a awkward song but it has a spacy feel, Crystalman's melody is just terrible that I have to mute my TV, and Gravityman has a weird selection of notes that make it awkward and turns me off. However, I liked Chargeman and how it had a decent melody and felt like you were on a train, and Waveman was just about as decent.
The problem is that MM5 is too loved; it's honestly not that good. Hell, I prefer MM8 to it; I liked the robot masters more and the music was really good (Frost's, both Tengu's, Sword's, Astro's, Clown's, Aqua's.. I liked almost all of them). So yeah, I hate MM5. Meh.

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: Kapus on May 17, 2011, 11:00:29 AM

Too loved? Really? Is there any Mega Man game that deserves to be described that way?


Naturally, there are a lot of people out there who love MM5 to death, as well as people who hate its guts. It's a matter of opinion, so it's a little weird for you to say it's "too loved."


It's definitely not overrated, either.

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: Tails on May 17, 2011, 11:06:28 AM

It just seems to me most people love MM5 and Gyroman and this and that.

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: Kapus on May 17, 2011, 11:08:50 AM

..Your point is? Gyro Man is one of my favorite robot masters from MM5, and one of my favorites in the series overall. I like the design of a helicopter-based Robot Master in a futuristic setting. Also, he has a cool weapon, stage and theme.

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: Tails on May 17, 2011, 11:11:14 AM

...It was an example .-.
I'm not gonna start with you over Megaman 5's robot masters.

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: Kapus on May 17, 2011, 11:14:24 AM

Pretty strange example.

Just about everyone in this thread gave a detailed post explaining why they like/dislike MM5.

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: Nuy on May 17, 2011, 11:16:02 AM

Quote from: "Kapus"

Too loved? Really? Is there any Mega Man game that deserves to be described that way?

Mega Man 2 & 9

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: Tails on May 17, 2011, 11:17:18 AM

I did as well... :/
I dunno what you're talking about .-.

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: Kapus on May 17, 2011, 11:21:55 AM

Quote from: "*Nu*"

Quote from: "Kapus"

Too loved? Really? Is there any Mega Man game that deserves to be described that way?

Mega Man 2 & 9

Whoops. You beat me.

MM2 probably is a bit too loved!

I apologize if I am confusing you with my bizarre thought patterns.

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: HertzDevil on May 17, 2011, 06:26:23 PM

Quote from: "*Nu*"

Mega Man 2 & 9

More so if you mean Airman/Splash Woman, Metal Blade and Wily 1 in particular.

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: Nuy on May 17, 2011, 07:09:25 PM

ummm... Everything about mega man 2 and 9 besides Metal Blades

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: Cheminometry on May 17, 2011, 11:05:35 PM

How can anyone hate 5 when it has Napalm Man. His feet are tand treads and his hands are missles. The only thing cooler would be a motorcycle. >______>

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: Magnet Dood on May 18, 2011, 01:05:40 AM

That's where Nitro Man comes in, mah boi.

Plus MM10 had a giant tank, a water pump, a guy with a sun on his head, a glacier head, a giant sword, and a baseball! and sheep man...

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: brotoad on May 18, 2011, 02:22:21 AM

megaman 10 had the lamest bosses imo, except for nitroman cause he pops a wheelie into the room

napalmman is cool because he's just a walking pile of weapons on wheels
and stoneman "rocks" HE HE HE

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: HertzDevil on May 18, 2011, 11:29:14 AM

Quote from: "brotoad"

megaman 10 had the lamest bosses imo, except for nitroman cause he pops a wheelie into the room

napalmman is cool because he's just a walking pile of weapons on wheels
and stoneman "rocks" HE HE HE

mm5gb mars > napalm man

also I think I should start calling Stone Man 'Rockman' now!!!!

but R-Shadow is lamer than whatever MM10

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: Nuy on May 18, 2011, 12:22:26 PM

Pepole hating Mega Man 10? Bah!! Mega Man 10 was my personal favorite in the series even though most of the weapons sucked.

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: brotoad on May 18, 2011, 12:31:54 PM

it's all down to opinion! you hate megaman 5 even though alot of people say that it's their favourite!
i don't hate megaman 10, i just found it to be the weakest in the series

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: Nuy on May 18, 2011, 12:51:08 PM

I don't "hate" Mega Man 5, I just thought it sucked. It tried to do a lot of things new and while I aplaud them for trying, they failed almost everything. I did like the whole getting hits cancles your charge, though.

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: Kapus on May 18, 2011, 01:16:54 PM

I used to think that  MM10 had a very weak weapon selection, but after doing a hard-mode no damage run of the game, I start finding uses for all of them. Even Thunder Wool.

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: Cheminometry on May 18, 2011, 05:05:41 PM

Thunder Wool comes in surprisingly handy for a few sub-bosses. I ended up using it a lot against that castle boss.

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: Magnet Dood on May 18, 2011, 09:44:55 PM

Quote from: "*Nu*"

IIRC Power Stone does the same amount of damage as an uncharged Mega Buster shot so in my opinion, it's still useless. Others might find use in it if they can aim it, but I can't so meh.

Not to bump old posts, but wow. I'm suprised no one decided to gang up on you.

You were yelling at all of us saying that Top Spin isn't bad because we can't use well. Now you say Power Stone is useless. Ever thought how you could take out enemies from a distance? Power Stone.

At least you don't get damaged while using it.

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: Nuy on May 18, 2011, 09:50:10 PM

Again, if you're using Top Spin correctly, YOU WONT GET DAMAGED.
Secondly, you didn't even read what you quoted. I clearly said "Others might find use in it if they can aim it, but I can't so meh."

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: Magnet Dood on May 18, 2011, 09:59:18 PM

Still, just saying. It's fairly hard to use Top Spin 'correctly'. At least with Power Stone, you can take out enemies both near and far away.

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: Nuy on May 18, 2011, 10:58:20 PM

You say Top Spin is hard to use, I say it isn't. You say Power Stone is good, I don't. Its all opinion. Also, I find Top Spin fun, hence why I use it. I don't care whats better to kill something with unless I'm doing speed runs, on a normal playthrough I do what's FUN.

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: Tails on May 19, 2011, 01:59:15 AM

So Top Spin and Power Stone are on debate? What abour Water Balloon or Search Missile or Hyper Bomb or any others?

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: Myroc on May 19, 2011, 07:01:07 AM

Quote from: "Magnet Dood"

Still, just saying. It's fairly hard to use Top Spin 'correctly'. At least with Power Stone, you can take out enemies both near and far away.

There's another weapon that does that more effectively. Gravity Hold. Situations that Gravity Hold can't handle better than Power Stone is probably situations that warrants the use of something else than those two weapons.

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: Cheminometry on May 19, 2011, 10:10:26 AM

As goofy as water baloon is, it has decent, predictable range and good power, IIRC. Hyper Bomb was terrible except against stationary enemies and gutsman, and I don't remember using search missile that much.

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: HertzDevil on May 20, 2011, 09:08:08 PM

So I assume not many of you have played Mega Man IV (GB) right? Power Stone apparently guarantees a hit somewhere and is powerful enough for speedruns.

Problem is, for the NES one, if you have time to plot a Power Stone's route, you will find it doesn't only hit close and distant enemies easily, but it also misses close and distant enemies easily. There lies the divergence: Power Stone only hits enemies at certain intervals in front of Mega Man (we may want to exclude aerial enemies), where projectiles hit the ground at five positions before Mega Man. These points lie approximately 32, 56, 92, 112 and 128 pixels in front of Mega Man. No wonder most of us would take out enemies when they are near four and a half cells ie. 72 pixels away from Mega Man, which also is slightly higher than half the distance between Mega Man to the border of the screen AND close to the mean of 56 and 92 - where Power Stone just cannot hit anything. (The projectiles hit the said +72 line at 150, 108, 76, -28, -84 and -120 pixels above the horizon; even 76 pixels above the ground is not particularly useful since you might want the foe to be a bit more away than 72 pixels so that it cannot hit Mega Man midair.) Believe me, I didn't just make up the numbers but that's what the majority or our behaviour - you and me, people who find it useful and people who hate it - shows.

But I now represent all TASers and say that Super Arrow is stronger than any other weapon. (for you can still inflict damage with it so it is classified as a weapon somehow)

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: NemZ on May 21, 2011, 01:54:23 AM

Top spin does suck.  It might be good for certain parts, yes, but there's absolutely no denying that it's a buggy mess.  Why oh why couldn't it just be like Metroid's screw attack?

MM5 was quite enjoyable indeed.  The rush coil variant is a big improvement in control once you get used to it, but the way they screwed up sliding mechanics (can't jump cancel) is a sour note.  The weapons are a mixed bag, and in general aren't worth the time to switch to... but them I'm one of those folks who doesn't use anything but the arm cannon except in especially annoying situations, so I don't really care.

MM8 wasn't good at all, and I mean that as a game in general, not just as part of the series.

My ranking tiers for the classics, main series only:

9
4/5
2/3/10
1/6/7
8

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: Nuy on May 21, 2011, 02:00:51 AM

Its bugginess was fixed in whole in MM3GB and Wily Wars. Just throwin' that out there.

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: LlamaHombre on May 21, 2011, 02:48:57 AM

I still personally wouldn't use it over Needle Cannon or Shadow Blade.

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: Chugger11 on May 21, 2011, 03:23:38 AM

Quote from: "LlamaHombre"

I still personally wouldn't use it over Needle Cannon or Shadow Blade.

I love the needle cannon!!!

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: NemZ on May 21, 2011, 08:12:34 AM

Quote from: "*Nu*"

Its bugginess was fixed in whole in MM3GB and Wily Wars. Just throwin' that out there.

I never played either of those so I don't really care.  Being fixed later doesn't help the original NES game either, now does it?

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: Proto Man on May 26, 2011, 11:58:48 PM

MM5 is one of my Favorite MegaMan games EVER!!!!! I liked the plot, the Robot Masters, the music, DarkMan, EVERYTHING!!!!! Except level stage design *insert GyroMan Spike Elevator rage here*

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: Nostalgia on June 13, 2011, 02:34:51 AM

For several reasons. Don't get me wrong, I love this game (in fact, it's the only MM game besides the original that I've even bothered to beat :P), but here's why some people dislike it:
1. The 1-ups. 1-ups appear about as often as they do in the Mario games. Makes the game too easy.
2. The M-Tanks. Again, it makes the game too easy.
3. The Robot Master weapons kinda suck in this game.
4. The Dark Men are very lazily designed and the plot twist involving Dr. Wily was predictable.
5. The bosses and level design are very generic and boring at times.
6. People will always complain about the Robot Master designs and music in the MM games that they hate. This game is no exception.

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: brotoad on June 13, 2011, 11:17:41 AM

I think theres a good reason why people don't like megaman games if they don't like the bosses! the bosses are the things you look forward too in a new megaman game, because lets be honest, they're the most interesting characters!

but darkman is a total badass, i drew him a while ago

(click to show/hide)

(http://i949.photobucket.com/albums/ad340/CancerousTumour/Darkman.png)

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: LlamaHombre on June 13, 2011, 03:15:40 PM

Dark Man 4 is awesome, but Wave Man is my second favorite robot master of all time!

Powerhouse weapon, and he's the first pirate robot master!

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: Kapus on June 13, 2011, 04:08:30 PM

..Wave man is a pirate?

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: LlamaHombre on June 13, 2011, 04:25:36 PM

I consider him one!

That, and being a sailor sounds too fucking stupid

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: brotoad on June 13, 2011, 05:11:20 PM

i think he's supposed to be based on poseidon, considering the crown and his control over the ocean!

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: LlamaHombre on June 13, 2011, 05:26:40 PM

I'd call him the king of Empoleon if I didn't hate Empoleon so much.

But yeah, Poseidon's probably right.

Title: Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
Post by: Lord Toadman on June 13, 2011, 09:11:43 PM

If you can get over rush coil being screwy and work with the buster most of the time I find MM5 rather enjoyable. Of course I only played up to the Darkman stages and didn't collect Beat for I was tired from playing MM1-MM4. Might have to go play through MM5 fully sometime.