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Mega Man 8-bit Deathmatch => MM8BDM Discussion => Topic started by: CutmanMike on August 22, 2011, 12:55:27 AM

Title: Weapon Competition #2- DONE
Post by: CutmanMike on August 22, 2011, 12:55:27 AM
Time to get dark and gloomy. This weapon competition theme is....

(http://cache.kotaku.com/assets/resources/2007/01/castlevania-the-retrospective-20070118041648140.jpg)
(http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i154/FuPoic/castlevaniamoike.png)
You are competing to get this medal: (http://cutstuff.net/forum/images/medals/badge16.gif)

This competition involves making a weapon based on the Castlevania series! Now you may think that limits you to just a few things right? Wrong! As this is a competition involves quite a bit of creativity, I will allow you to make a weapon of pretty much anything from the 8-bit Castlevanias! You could make any of the subweapons, weapons the enemies/bosses use on you, summon enemies to fight for you, whatever you want! As long as it comes from an 8-bit castlevania game, it's all good!

Weapons will be judged on creativity, uniqueness and overall functionality.


Submissions are to be sent to me via PM. I will judge the weapons personally based on creativity, looks and how balanced they feel.
I will stop collecting submissions on the 5th of September, and the winner will be announced shortly after.

Learn how to make weapons here (http://cutstuff.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=1815)

Get some Castlevania sprites here! (http://www.sprites-inc.co.uk/vania/Retro8bit/)

Good luck! Feel free to ask questions about the rules, or editing questions here!
Title: Re: Weapon Competition #2- Castlevania!
Post by: LlamaHombre on August 22, 2011, 01:00:31 AM
Blaze wins.
Title: Re: Weapon Competition #2- Castlevania!
Post by: Russel on August 22, 2011, 01:01:01 AM
Wouldn't you know! I never played Castlevania, perfect time to start, I guess...
Title: Re: Weapon Competition #2- Castlevania!
Post by: theanjo on August 22, 2011, 01:01:37 AM
Quote from: "LlamaHombre"
Blaze wins.

He was working on them prior to this new competition.
Title: Re: Weapon Competition #2- Castlevania!
Post by: CutmanMike on August 22, 2011, 01:03:14 AM
Quote from: "Lego"
Wouldn't you know! I never played Castlevania, perfect time to start, I guess...

There's plenty of LP's on the castlevania games if you don't want to play them! (I don't blame you, 8-bit ones are tough)
Title: Re: Weapon Competition #2- Castlevania!
Post by: LlamaHombre on August 22, 2011, 01:04:25 AM
My whole reasoning behind that statement is what you just said, anjo

Never played Castlevania, wanted to give the first one a try, but lack of Wii Points is ouch.



I'm not really too good of a coder as I have no prior knowledge, but oh well.
Title: Gee, we're all late for this competetion!
Post by: Kenkoru on August 22, 2011, 01:08:14 AM
Quote from: "CutmanMike"
I will stop collecting submissions on the 5th of August, and the winner will be announced shortly after.
Quote from: "CutmanMike"
5th of August

/me checks his calender
Title: Re: Weapon Competition #2- Castlevania!
Post by: CHAOS_FANTAZY on August 22, 2011, 01:10:10 AM
I can't make no weapons, but I'll have to keep an eye on this!

And...
(http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/6433/screenshotdoom201102151.png)
Yeah, I unofficially submit Blaze's Holy Water weapon.  Check his topic.
Title: Re: Weapon Competition #2- Castlevania!
Post by: LlamaHombre on August 22, 2011, 01:10:49 AM
Lego made half of that.
Title: Re: Weapon Competition #2- Castlevania!
Post by: Russel on August 22, 2011, 01:11:55 AM
The other half is from the template...though that version is not the one I helped with
Title: Re: Weapon Competition #2- Castlevania!
Post by: Nuy on August 22, 2011, 01:12:28 AM
The 5th.. the day I leave.. well guess whos not learning to code any time soon =D
Title: Re: Weapon Competition #2- Castlevania!
Post by: CutmanMike on August 22, 2011, 01:14:13 AM
Holy water? So simple! Surely we can get some more original ideas in too. There's over 3 games of crazy spooky crap you could work into a weapon  :cool:
Title: Re: Weapon Competition #2- Castlevania!
Post by: Copy Robot on August 22, 2011, 01:14:43 AM
Darn shame Dracula's Wine Glass toss wasn't in an 8bit game. That would've been win.
Title: Re: Weapon Competition #2- Castlevania!
Post by: Russel on August 22, 2011, 01:15:03 AM
Not to meantion the non-8bit ones, which would be more original.
Title: Re: Weapon Competition #2- Castlevania!
Post by: CutmanMike on August 22, 2011, 01:16:54 AM
If you make the sprites, you could use it. As long as it's from based off a castlevania game (and I can tell it is), I will allow it.

BUT don't forget I'm judging on the best weapons, not the silliest!
Title: Re: Weapon Competition #2- Castlevania!
Post by: xColdxFusionx on August 22, 2011, 01:18:50 AM
Good luck to everyone who's participating!
Title: Re: Weapon Competition #2- Castlevania!
Post by: Mr. Sean Nelson on August 22, 2011, 01:19:21 AM
INB4 whips, anybody?
Title: Re: Weapon Competition #2- Castlevania!
Post by: Russel on August 22, 2011, 01:20:27 AM
Too common

Holy Water or whatever else would be more original...
Title: Re: Weapon Competition #2- Castlevania!
Post by: CutmanMike on August 22, 2011, 01:21:21 AM
I would be interested to see how people make a whip though, and make it visible to other players. Holy water would just be a projectile with gravity no?
Title: Re: Weapon Competition #2- Castlevania!
Post by: Korby on August 22, 2011, 01:22:01 AM
Quote from: "Mr. Joe"
Darn shame Dracula's Wine Glass toss wasn't in an 8bit game. That would've been win.
What a horrible night to have Curses!
This totally isn't what I was going to do!
Title: Re: Weapon Competition #2- Castlevania!
Post by: Russel on August 22, 2011, 01:28:45 AM
Quote from: "CutmanMike"
I would be interested to see how people make a whip though, and make it visible to other players. Holy water would just be a projectile with gravity no?
Well, I did always want to see about another way of Making ThunderClaw, and it coming back, removing all the trail properly...
Title: Re: Weapon Competition #2- Castlevania!
Post by: Gummywormz on August 22, 2011, 01:30:30 AM
Are custom pain states allowed?
Title: Re: Weapon Competition #2- Castlevania!
Post by: CutmanMike on August 22, 2011, 08:31:30 AM
Weapon only. I don't have a tutorial for making/editing playerclasses so let's just keep things simple for now.
Title: Re: Weapon Competition #2- Castlevania!
Post by: Korby on August 22, 2011, 06:24:26 PM
Alright, that kills one of my ideas.
Title: Re: Weapon Competition #2- Castlevania!
Post by: Max on August 22, 2011, 06:29:15 PM
Quote from: "CutmanMike"
    Weapons cannot be posted here until the competition is over (feel free to post screenshots)!

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Weapon Competition #2- Castlevania!
Post by: Messatsu on August 22, 2011, 07:17:31 PM
Quote from: "CutmanMike"
If you make the sprites, you could use it. As long as it's from based off a castlevania game (and I can tell it is), I will allow it.

BUT don't forget I'm judging on the best weapons, not the silliest!

I'm a bit confused by this.  The front page says only sprites from the NES/GB but this makes it sound like we can choose any weapon from any CV game so long as the art is 8bit.  Just wanted a bit of clarity since the expanded selection of CV games opens up a lot of options. (AoS/DoS souls, OoE glyphs etc)

Screenies:  Globus (Glyph) / Death's Sickles/Scythe (soul version)  (Hell if I know what I'm gonna submit as of this point)
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Title: Re: Weapon Competition #2- Castlevania!
Post by: CutmanMike on August 22, 2011, 07:39:42 PM
As long as they look 8-bit it's fine. I'll change the front page.
Title: Re: Weapon Competition #2- Castlevania!
Post by: TERRORsphere on August 22, 2011, 10:35:38 PM
I'm going to work on a "weapon". It won't be a serious one, but it will definitely be different.
Title: Re: Weapon Competition #2- Castlevania!
Post by: Blaze Yeager on August 22, 2011, 11:39:31 PM
Damn it Mike,you spoiled the Halloween theme for this year :<

Anyways i did my own Axe Toss (YES That obituary IS Fixed)

I'll send it tommorrow
Title: Re: Weapon Competition #2- Castlevania!
Post by: TheBladeRoden on August 23, 2011, 06:39:45 AM
Good luck peeps! I have too little experience playing Castlevanias and too many Blade Man medals to partake in this myself.  ;)
Title: Re: Weapon Competition #2- Castlevania!
Post by: Alucard on August 23, 2011, 05:48:03 PM
Now THIS is something I can get interested in!

Maybe I can make my sword... :geek:
Title: Re: Weapon Competition #2- Castlevania!
Post by: Blaze Yeager on August 23, 2011, 08:20:22 PM
Going to send the Axe in a few.


After i send this i'll be posting the Halloween Topic for this year...that is if no one minds
Title: Re: Weapon Competition #2- Castlevania!
Post by: JaxOf7 on August 24, 2011, 01:06:13 AM
Have an idea for an item that does not kill, that counts right?
Title: Re: Weapon Competition #2- Castlevania!
Post by: Korby on August 24, 2011, 03:13:51 AM
Quote from: "The Dictionary"
1. A thing designed or used for inflicting bodily harm or physical damage.
I don't think so.
Title: Re: Weapon Competition #2- Castlevania!
Post by: JaxOf7 on August 24, 2011, 07:20:20 AM
Well, staying alive tends to be quite important to inflicting harm, and getting the jump on people never hurts or actually it does, but...
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Title: Re: Weapon Competition #2- Castlevania!
Post by: Korby on August 24, 2011, 08:35:42 AM
...That is really cool.
Title: Re: Weapon Competition #2- Castlevania!
Post by: SmashTheEchidna on August 24, 2011, 10:05:50 AM
Yeah, so, I'm not too great at making weapons. (I could give it a shot, but eh, I dunno.) And I have never once played a Castlevania game. The only thing I could think of making is that whip. I'm not sure if I can really pull that off, though it sounds easy enough.

Good luck to the rest of ya, though.
Title: Re: Weapon Competition #2- Castlevania!
Post by: Alucard on August 24, 2011, 03:11:12 PM
Quote from: "JaxOf7"
Well, staying alive tends to be quite important to inflicting harm, and getting the jump on people never hurts or actually it does, but...
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My bat transformation, I'm guessing?
Title: Re: Weapon Competition #2- Castlevania!
Post by: Duora Super Gyro on August 25, 2011, 09:54:22 AM
I suck at making anything thats not maps :D
So i wont be participating, good luck you guys.
Title: Re: Weapon Competition #2- Castlevania!
Post by: Isaac940 on August 26, 2011, 02:07:54 AM
Weapon finished and sent in, and it's from Castlevania 3 also; Sypha's Holy Lightning.
Screenshot if you're curious:
 
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Title: Re: Weapon Competition #2- Castlevania!
Post by: PressStart on August 28, 2011, 10:15:17 PM
Quote from: "JaxOf7"
Well, staying alive tends to be quite important to inflicting harm, and getting the jump on people never hurts or actually it does, but...
(click to show/hide)
Haha man when I read about the comp this is what I wanted to do. Since I know zip about programming though, I'm glad someone cool is doing it!
Title: Re: Weapon Competition #2- Castlevania!
Post by: OMEGA on August 28, 2011, 10:21:29 PM
this stuff isnt my specialty :P heh i mostly test servers
Title: Re: Weapon Competition #2- Castlevania!
Post by: CutmanMike on September 03, 2011, 02:25:18 PM
Two days left now, get those entries in! Even if it's basic subweapons from Castlevania!
Title: Re: Weapon Competition #2- Castlevania!
Post by: TERRORsphere on September 03, 2011, 02:27:41 PM
Quote from: "CutmanMike"
Two days left now, get those entries in! Even if it's basic subweapons from Castlevania!
Ya, sure.
Title: Re: Weapon Competition #2- Castlevania!
Post by: Yuri Sakazaki on September 04, 2011, 11:29:58 PM
Well then, I've been working on a weapon and will submit it in a moment.
Title: Re: Weapon Competition #2- Castlevania!
Post by: TERRORsphere on September 04, 2011, 11:32:06 PM
This is the 5th day, stuff can still be submitted, right?
Title: Re: Weapon Competition #2- Castlevania!
Post by: CutmanMike on September 05, 2011, 01:44:23 AM
Sure, I'll probably stop dead on the 6th
Title: Re: Weapon Competition #2- Castlevania!
Post by: TERRORsphere on September 05, 2011, 09:03:48 PM
Quote from: "CutmanMike"
Sure, I'll probably stop dead on the 6th
Greenwich Mean Time?
Title: Re: Weapon Competition #2- Castlevania! (OVER)
Post by: Duora Super Gyro on September 07, 2011, 05:28:20 PM
So who wins : )
Please say me for my completly unrelated, not submited, broken weapon that has been deleted because it instantly crashes the game when you use it weapon that has nothing to do with castlevania. (I call it the Crash Bomb)
Title: Re: Weapon Competition #2- Castlevania! (OVER)
Post by: Jennifer on September 12, 2011, 11:08:42 AM
Quote from: "Duora Super Gyro"
So who wins.

I'd like to know myself.  :geek:
Title: Re: Weapon Competition #2- Castlevania! (OVER)
Post by: FuPoo on September 12, 2011, 12:30:29 PM
lose that zero and get yourself a HERO

i mean, who won?! :ugeek:
Title: Re: Weapon Competition #2- Castlevania! (OVER)
Post by: Duora Super Gyro on September 12, 2011, 03:49:18 PM
Quote from: "Duora Super Gyro"
So who wins : )
Please say me for my completly unrelated, not submited, broken weapon that has been deleted because it instantly crashes the game when you use it weapon that has nothing to do with castlevania. (I call it the Crash Bomb)

I think I won this. Nothing beats the Crash Bomb
Title: Re: Weapon Competition #2- Castlevania! (OVER)
Post by: CutmanMike on September 12, 2011, 04:14:33 PM
Okay we're gonna be judging this the same way we did the map competition. In video style!

Those who entered are allowed to sign up to join us for a LMS weapon testing spectacular! All your weapons will be adjusted to appear in LMS. Just post in here to let us know you want in. If you can't join, feel free to pick one of you friends as a replacement.

It will be going down this Friday, probably around 10PM GMT. Post now if you're up for it!
Title: Re: Weapon Competition #2- Live testing FRIDAY! Entries sign
Post by: TERRORsphere on September 12, 2011, 04:22:41 PM
Oh man... This'll be a laugh :)
Title: Re: Weapon Competition #2- Live testing FRIDAY! Entries sign
Post by: Max on September 12, 2011, 04:22:52 PM
In  :cool:
Title: Re: Weapon Competition #2- Live testing FRIDAY! Entries sign
Post by: Russel on September 12, 2011, 04:32:21 PM
I know I never submitted a weapon, but could I take a look at this?
Title: Re: Weapon Competition #2- Live testing FRIDAY! Entries sign
Post by: Sora on September 12, 2011, 05:31:17 PM
I'd like to sign up, but I know there's a 0.00000000000001% chance I'll actually get in
Title: Re: Weapon Competition #2- Live testing FRIDAY! Entries sign
Post by: TheBladeRoden on September 12, 2011, 07:14:21 PM
I want in
Title: Re: Weapon Competition #2- Live testing FRIDAY! Entries sign
Post by: WheelieCarbonate on September 12, 2011, 07:20:03 PM
I want in if I can get in,what time EST?
Title: Re: Weapon Competition #2- Live testing FRIDAY! Entries sign
Post by: SmashTheEchidna on September 12, 2011, 07:23:24 PM
I want to get in FOR ONCE. Just ONE time, at least. I have a big ol' hunch though that something's gonna keep me from joining. >.> <.< AGAIN.
Title: inb6 this time is incorrect
Post by: Kenkoru on September 12, 2011, 07:26:33 PM
Quote from: "zeswissroll"
I want in if I can get in, what time EST?
Roughly 6 PM
Title: Re: Weapon Competition #2- Live testing FRIDAY! Entries sign
Post by: Isaac940 on September 12, 2011, 07:38:20 PM
Is it okay if I show up late? My physics lab is scheduled to end at about the time this starts so I may be on time if I get out early or it may be like last time where I had to wait until a little after due to other groups being slow getting their data (we needed the data of all groups in the room for the lab report.)
Title: Re: Weapon Competition #2- Live testing FRIDAY! Entries sign
Post by: BiscuitSlash on September 12, 2011, 07:44:11 PM
I would like to see if I could enter but....10PM is a bit late for me :( oh well
Title: Re: Weapon Competition #2- Live testing FRIDAY! Entries sign
Post by: CutmanMike on September 12, 2011, 08:00:57 PM
Perhaps I should have been clearer. Only those who submitted weapons can join us, unless they can't join us and they specify someone else to take their place.
Title: Re: Weapon Competition #2- Live testing FRIDAY! Entries sign
Post by: JaxOf7 on September 12, 2011, 09:55:21 PM
10 PM GMT? So that's 3 PM PDT for me. I'll be there.
Look like I'm going to have pull down some blinds though.
I honestly didn't have my least favorite game mode in mind when designing my weapon. INB4 godly camping.
Title: Re: Weapon Competition #2- Live testing FRIDAY! Entries sign
Post by: Max on September 12, 2011, 10:24:44 PM
Well balls. There goes my chances, since my weapon is pretty useless in LMS thanks to the huge ammo consumption.
Title: Re: Weapon Competition #2- Live testing FRIDAY! Entries sign
Post by: Korby on September 12, 2011, 10:51:17 PM
If there isn't a single glass toss in any of it I am disappointed in all of you.
Title: Re: Weapon Competition #2- Live testing FRIDAY! Entries sign
Post by: Duora Super Gyro on September 12, 2011, 11:18:37 PM
Me too! But why :(
Its not my fault my weapon is so over powered that it crashes the game.
Title: Re: Weapon Competition #2- Live testing FRIDAY! Entries sign
Post by: CutmanMike on September 12, 2011, 11:54:19 PM
Even though we're testing in LMS we'll still judge based on the things in the first post
Title: Inb4 a weapon crashes the server 480758 times
Post by: Gummywormz on September 12, 2011, 11:56:40 PM
I'm going to be out during that time, so I'm giving my spot to lego unless something happens. Basically, if I don't say anything 2 or 3 hours before the thing starts, lego gets the spot.
Title: Re: Weapon Competition #2- Live testing FRIDAY! Entries sign
Post by: SmashTheEchidna on September 13, 2011, 09:47:49 AM
Quote from: "SmashTheEchidna"
I want to get in FOR ONCE. Just ONE time, at least. I have a big ol' hunch though that something's gonna keep me from joining. >.> <.< AGAIN.


Quote from: "CutmanMike"
Perhaps I should have been clearer. Only those who submitted weapons can join us, unless they can't join us and they specify someone else to take their place.


Curses. Sometimes I hate it when I'm right.
Title: Re: Weapon Competition #2- Live testing FRIDAY! Entries sign
Post by: Shade Guy on September 13, 2011, 10:18:29 AM
There's always hope...Perhaps someone who made a weapon can't join, and they just happen to let you test in their place?

What, it could happen.
Title: Re: Weapon Competition #2- Live testing FRIDAY! Entries sign
Post by: CutmanMike on September 13, 2011, 04:02:55 PM
I've compiled the weapon selection together and... it's a pretty whacky bunch!

I made a change to Gummywormz's weapon for being a bit over powered, and because there's already a weapon that makes you fly in this pack.
Title: Re: Weapon Competition #2- Live testing FRIDAY! Entries sign
Post by: Messatsu on September 13, 2011, 04:37:43 PM
Out of curiosity, could you list the weapons and their submitters? Or at the very least the number of entries? I'd love to know what was submitted as I only know of about 4-5 entries.
Title: Re: Weapon Competition #2- Live testing FRIDAY! Entries sign
Post by: CutmanMike on September 13, 2011, 08:42:29 PM
That can be something to look forward to   ;)
Edit: As for number, about 7
Title: Re: Weapon Competition #2- Live testing FRIDAY! Entries sign
Post by: DarkAura on September 14, 2011, 04:16:59 PM
Aura - It's a good thing it's LMS. I guess that means I'm in.

Lament - Before anyone asks, we made a weapon, but submittied it "under the table."
Title: Here's to hoping for THE RETURN OF BLOOD! mm~
Post by: Tesseractal on September 15, 2011, 05:18:18 AM
Quote from: "SmashTheEchidna"
Quote from: "SmashTheEchidna"
I want to get in FOR ONCE. Just ONE time, at least. I have a big ol' hunch though that something's gonna keep me from joining. >.> <.<
Quote from: "CutmanMike"
Perhaps I should have been clearer. Only those who submitted weapons can join us, unless they can't join us and they specify someone else to take their place.
Curses. Sometimes I hate it when I'm right.
Silly cat, you were misguided all along. :3
Quote from: "The Man"
Those who entered are allowed to sign up
He had ALWAYS stated that it was open only to contestants! The reason why you and others before you expected some kind of exemption from this is beyond me. Well, I have two.
Quote from: "CutmanMike"
That can be something to look forward to   ;)
Edit: As for number, about 7
Aw, seven? I'm surprised, because I would reason that creating a weapon takes less time than a map, and there seem to be a handful of people around who have already had a stab at the craft. Ah well. The odds of me seeing a vampire-rune weapon are probably pretty low, but I'll hold my breath.
Title: Re: Weapon Competition #2- Live testing FRIDAY! Entries sign
Post by: Korby on September 15, 2011, 06:08:30 AM
I don't quite remember my reasoning for not making one. Probably because I'm being incredibly lazy lately. Need to force myself to do some stuff.
Title: Re: Weapon Competition #2- Live testing FRIDAY! Entries sign
Post by: sipfried on September 15, 2011, 04:14:34 PM
ow s*it i cant test :( i want but i can,t

btw i now a BIG GOOD castlevania thing
read the spoiler plz

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Title: Re: Weapon Competition #2- Live testing FRIDAY! Entries sign
Post by: Jafar on September 15, 2011, 04:24:23 PM
Will you be releasing the LMS pack after the judging, or just the individual weapons?  That'd probably make all the people who want to test but didn't enter happy.
Title: Re: Weapon Competition #2- Live testing FRIDAY! Entries sign
Post by: Beed28 on September 16, 2011, 12:59:30 PM
I would like to try out the weapons too. I really hope you release these to the public, I like Castlevania sometimes, too!
Title: Re: Weapon Competition #2- Live testing FRIDAY! Entries sign
Post by: CutmanMike on September 16, 2011, 03:10:33 PM
Quote from: "Jafar"
Will you be releasing the LMS pack after the judging, or just the individual weapons?  That'd probably make all the people who want to test but didn't enter happy.

Yup. I might leave the server up too.

I'll be PMing people later this afternoon with the weapons pack ready to join the server. If you can't make it, PM me in advance please, and let me know who you want in your place!
Title: Re: Weapon Competition #2- Live testing TODAY!
Post by: CutmanMike on September 16, 2011, 08:25:19 PM
PMing people the pk3 file now.

If you can't make it, forward on the URL to someone else!
Title: Re: Weapon Competition #2- Live testing TODAY!
Post by: CutmanMike on September 16, 2011, 10:00:56 PM
ok DONE, video is on the way.

Here's the link if anyone wants to try!

http://www.sendspace.com/file/vqck87 (http://www.sendspace.com/file/vqck87)
Title: Re: Weapon Competition #2- DONE
Post by: Duora Super Gyro on September 17, 2011, 10:45:44 AM
And now somone is gonna make a castlevania stage.
Title: Re: Weapon Competition #2- DONE
Post by: Korby on September 17, 2011, 07:31:24 PM
Just gonna say my favorite weapon in terms of balance is probably the book thing.
Title: Re: Weapon Competition #2- DONE
Post by: CutmanMike on September 17, 2011, 07:44:52 PM
And the winner is Messatsu with a big majority of votes!
Title: Re: Weapon Competition #2- DONE
Post by: Korby on September 17, 2011, 07:45:52 PM
Well then.

Congratulations!
Title: Re: Weapon Competition #2- DONE
Post by: Messatsu on September 17, 2011, 09:00:36 PM
Sweet! Thanks! That was a lot of fun.

Oh, for the lulz, I ended up making 3 weapons.  If anyone wants to try out the other two (Globus and Holy Water*) here's the link.
http://www.mediafire.com/?wtpupl7kj6cl1rm

*Holy Water is based on Blaze's work, so I can't take 100% credit for it.