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Gaming => The Ghoul's Forest => Topic started by: CutmanMike on March 15, 2010, 02:46:21 PM
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I played GVH Saturday and there were like 5 Santa players kicking ass. Seems like people have finally gotten the hang of him, but remember when people whined for days over the fact he was the new Cold Demise class?
This is, by far, my most favourite complaint I've ever had about GVH. I can't remember where who said this:
Are you really high or something? I seen Total conversions like Xmas doom. But seriously, can you get anymore child-like with the selections?
Doom is supposed to be serious, but this is turning out to be an expansion that now has 65% in favor of calling it a Joke expansion. Forget the new ghoul class... I'm too busy laughing at Santa Claus getting gored into bloody bits like a sugar-plum fairy getting waxed by my chainsaw.
Cutman, you make me spit in on your feet in disgust, and you make veteran FPS players laugh at your effort. Good mod, but don't get carried away with more joke ideas. We got people like Terry to do that and he already made and obnoxious joke mod of GVH!
SO SERIOUS
Anyway, have we gotten over him yet? Or do you still see him and think "ugh"?
More complaints here viewtopic.php?p=3618#p3618 (http://cutstuff.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=3618#p3618) :p
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I always liked him :p. The Ninja stars. The Rocket launcher, and the... manly Spudgun.
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I've just tuned Santa out at this point. I figure if hes going to stay, might as well accept him.
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Disgrace. Honestly. Ghostbuster was actually acceptable, but Santa? Good god, it's March, dude!
Santa should only have to fight in the Christmas time, and at that : people can still use his wad to play in mid year.
If there was at least something more serious, like a sort of Snow-Soldier, or giving a new human to us that carries abilities not even similar to any other class would've made it nothing close to this.
But what Ivory said, if Santa is just gonna sit around and get fat on those milk and cookies, why should we just keep shunning him...
Also, Cutman, make sure you aren't too far from those Weight Watchers, you sound dangerously close to the real Santa.
...the... manly Spudgun.
Try not to laugh... Try not to laugh... Try not to... BAHAHAHA. *cough*
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Is this another thinly veiled, "lol criticism," topic? I love these.
Doom? Serious? I am sorry, but unless you started from like the PSX/N64 ports like I did; there is no way in God's blue earth you can take this game seriously. Bruiser brothers? Pink Demons?
My favorite break of immersion is the original music. I don't give a fuck what the oldschool fans believe, but there is no ambiance in recycled midi rock songs played in a cheesy tempo. It's not serious, it's silly. I can literally feel like I am playing a game, not getting deep into it.
I kind of agree with White on this, but it's ultimately your call. You know some of us don't care for the guy after December, but it's better than Duke. I am with what Ivory said, but I do occasionally play with Santa to show up other players.
Someone has to take people down a peg.
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I was thinking of making a skin for the santa class and completely give him a new look, but unfortunately I can't replace the weapon sprites using skins.
Of course, I could replace him completely and turn him into something else that could use the exact same attacks, just with different sprites. But I'm almost 100% people would complain and want santa back. Maybe a poll is in order...
If I did that though, what should he become? Stars = fireballs that rain fire? Holly = ninja traps? Snowgun = uhhhhhh potato gun?!
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I know. Cyborg 2010. Cyborg 2010 doesn't have a jet pack, he has speed instead. He never runs out of normal plasma. But if he wanted to overclock his plasma gun to fire massive plasma balls then he can. But he can only fire 5 times without breaking his gun.
He can also splash very hot oil at ghouls or leak it onto the floor?
He can drop some of his spare bolts that hurt like a bitch if you step on them?
He can also drop his plugs from the UK that do 10000 damage if you step on them?
He also has pointy stones he can throw or drop.
C'mon Cutman. You know robots(in this case cyborgs) are awesome. More robot things for GVH! C'mon!
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Robots ARE awesome but I think one cyborg is enough ;)
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Fine, a mage. With a wand and spiky stones.
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I was thinking of making a skin for the santa class and completely give him a new look, but unfortunately I can't replace the weapon sprites using skins.
Of course, I could replace him completely and turn him into something else that could use the exact same attacks, just with different sprites. But I'm almost 100% people would complain and want santa back. Maybe a poll is in order...
If I did that though, what should he become? Stars = fireballs that rain fire? Holly = ninja traps? Snowgun = uhhhhhh potato gun?!
I see what you mean the further I think about it. I think any class replacement will make someone complain, and not because of santa but because no matter what you put someone will have something wrong with it.
I say Ninja for the stars. You can give him high jump! OR OR OR! You can put in Revolver Ocelot! I would never leave GVH if you did.
A Liquid is fine too.. but not LiquidOcelot.
I can also do his voice from MGS2 Sons of Liberty if you intend on doing that. I can't do his original MGS voice though ;[
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Altfire = Twirly gun taunt!
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Altfire = Twirly gun taunt!
He wouldn't need anything else.
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Honestly, he's just Santa. Big whoop. I suppose if Santa is changed, then Frostbite has to to be changed too. I see Santa as big a joke as I see a screaming face laughing, a whispering shadow saying "Over here!", a giant skull saying "Om nom nom", another giant skull puking, or a Cyborg sounding like a cutesy little girl. I don't see Santa as a joke, I see him as a threat, like the other 4 Humans. So what if he's Christmas-y. Does it really matter? Is it REALLY worth the time to make new sprites and get new sounds when the current class is perfectly fine?
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I suppose because the immersion decreases for every new update? I rather have a bunch of monsters taunting me then, I don't know, Jesus and the Easter Bunny going commando in an Aliens movie. It really isn't that hard to piece together.
Not to say Gvh will ever be as immersible or serious as Aliens though, but you should get the point.
Also Frostbite is more of a general purpose Ghoul. I have never heard of him outside the holiday season in comparison to Santa, which is a global icon for Christmas.
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Well we'll let the poll decide next week.
Edit: Actually let's just have it now: http://cutstuff.net/blog/ (http://cutstuff.net/blog/)
Edit2:Is it REALLY worth the time to make new sprites and get new sounds when the current class is perfectly fine?
It probably won't take too long, usually the coding etc is what takes the time but if the graphics are already there I'm good to do this. Gives me an excuse to update the damn thing too :p
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The biggest difference between the Ghouls and Santa is that Ghouls are evil spirit brought back from the dead by the Yurei to protect her, collect their souls for the Yurei and so forth. This is a series based around that aspect.
Santa on the other hand is a jolly old man from the north pole who delivers presents to all the nice boys and girls, who took a snowball gun, holly leaves and a star launcher to fight ghouls. The other human classes consist of the Marine(since this is doom and he was in the first two ghouls forest, he has a right here) The hunter and the cyborg. The Ghostbuster was another story, but he at least has more reason for being here then the jolly old man.
On the topic of Frost Bite. He can stay because he has absolutely nothing to do with Christmas. It wasn't like Frost Bite is Frosty the Snowman, hes a full fledged ghoul that has the same feel that the other four have.
However as I said earlier, if he stays, he stays. I'm not going to argue against him being here or not. I'm just simply stating what I think.
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Santa is getting his ass beat in the poll.
22 to 3.
Ho Ho?
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I need ideas for a replacement then :p
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I vote Robot or Mage. A Robot is a creation of human and it's got human interlect so it's human.
A Mage is so easy and generic.
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Nothing wrong with Santo, IMO.
Keep the jolly man in red, ha, ha!
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Santa is getting a make over and I've decided what I'm going to replace him with. This also means a GVH update is on the way :cool:
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I think a mage requires least work. As the sprites are all in Hexen.
Oh and my idea for the holly replacement. Holy water. Water is very hard to see :P. With the bottle you can spill some onto the floor. Or you can throw the water from the bottle.
I wanna draw the water projectile sprites too :ugeek:
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It's not a mage or anything suggested here, or anything in that old human class poll either ;)
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As long as this new character's awesome, I don't care, ha, ha! :)
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It's not a mage or anything suggested here, or anything in that old human class poll either ;)
I still believe you should bring in Revolver Ocelot though.
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You know, instead of outright replacing Santa, just give him an alternate skin, whatever you're working on. If it really becomes a problem with the noises and all that, then just set the Santa set to another gender. Then the whiners can stop nitpicking, and Santa can stay.
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You know, instead of outright replacing Santa, just give him an alternate skin, whatever you're working on. If it really becomes a problem with the noises and all that, then just set the Santa set to another gender. Then the whiners can stop nitpicking, and Santa can stay.
How about a freakin` ninja. We've all voted on that as the poll when he asked what we thought the new class was.
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We all also like a melee kind human, isn't it? even cutmanmike said it "I always wanted a melee human in the game" So, why don't organizate ourselves and chose wich one will be that human?
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Um... no. The whole point of GvH is to stay away from the instakill melee Ghouls and shoot them with your gun.
Anyway, the new human has already been chosen.
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Um... no. The whole point of GvH is to stay away from the instakill melee Ghouls and shoot them with your gun.
I second that.
But if you must put in a melee human, at least give him some sort of ranged weapon as a sidearm.
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the new human has already been chosen.
Chosen? And who the hell is him?
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the new human has already been chosen.
Chosen? And who the hell is him?
Santa is getting a make over and I've decided what I'm going to replace him with.
But I'm sure a lot of people here want to know who it is. :p
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Maybe it's a cross breed of a Ninja and a Eskimo..makes sense with the type of theme..dont it... :D
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It should be a Finn. They're kind of like Viking Ninja race car drivers anyway.
Well actually, the Vikings wouldn't allow Finns (the Finnish) onto their boats, because they were considered capricious, and the Vikings believed that Finns COULD CONTROL THE WEATHER. Win.
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Off with his head!
I bet it's Alice. :cool: