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Title: Favorite Maverick
Post by: Blaze Yeager on June 11, 2010, 07:04:45 PM
Same as the robot master one

Mine is Flame Mammoth,1.He's a fire style boss,2.HE IS A FREAKING MAMMOTH,3.Stage Song is Badass (Next to Boomer Kuwanger ;D)
Title: Re: Favorite Maverick
Post by: brotoad on June 12, 2010, 11:54:31 AM
Definatly Wire Sponge for me. He has a silly design but the way he set up spike traps on the walls was badass. it's like he is trying to say "STOP HOPPING AROUND ON THE WALLS, COME DOWN HERE AND FIGHT ME LIKE A MAN"
Title: Re: Favorite Maverick
Post by: CutmanMike on June 14, 2010, 01:02:51 PM
I don't really like the X series as much as the classic. I guess I'll go with Boomer Kuwanger. He was really weird, and has a cool name. I only ever played Mega Man X1-3.
Title: Re: Favorite Maverick
Post by: brotoad on June 14, 2010, 01:12:00 PM
Is it because Boomer Kuwanger looks an awful lot like Cutman?
Title: Re: Favorite Maverick
Post by: CutmanMike on June 14, 2010, 01:14:05 PM
Ehh... He doesn't look TOO much like him. I've never really said that. I just like his pose, movements and those pointy feet.
Title: Re: Favorite Maverick
Post by: Ivory on June 14, 2010, 05:05:35 PM
Either Armored Armadillo, for the fact it's a mecha armadillo that storms about the boss room. Or Crush Crawfish. I love the design.
Title: Re: Favorite Maverick
Post by: Mobius on June 14, 2010, 09:48:35 PM
I say Bobba Fett is the greatest Maverick to ever exist (http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/0/2898/446135-vile_super.png)
Title: Re: Favorite Maverick
Post by: PressStart on June 17, 2010, 09:53:27 AM
X1 has all the good ones: Storm Eagle, Chill Penguin, Launch Octopus...

It felt so good beating Storm Eagle for the first time, so I'll go with him.
Title: Re: Favorite Maverick
Post by: Quickman on July 13, 2010, 06:54:48 PM
mines from megaman x command mission, shadow was cool, he had a sword hand.
Title: Re: Favorite Maverick
Post by: PowerGloveNinja on July 14, 2010, 12:33:54 AM
1.Boomer Kuwanger - Boom Kuwanger is really bad ass too. X1
2.Gravity Beetle - Gravity Beetle had an awesome design and theme in X3.
3.Flame Stag - Flame Stag was full of rage and his theme kicked ass. X2
Title: Re: Favorite Maverick
Post by: Gamester522 on July 12, 2011, 07:56:21 AM
This badboy is a total badass.
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Title: Re: Favorite Maverick
Post by: Kingman on July 12, 2011, 08:13:49 AM
If Zero counts, then him. Play Mega Man Xtreme and watch the intro. It shows, that Zero was Maverick at the start.
Title: inb4 complaints about a bump to a simple poll topic
Post by: Kenkoru on July 12, 2011, 08:16:59 AM
My favorite maverick would have to be Burn Rooster from Mega Man X8.
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I like his design. His stage is painfully fun, and has an extra segment after the boss is defeated. Fighting him is a blast, I love his stage theme, and he has a kickass voice.
Title: Re: inb4 complaints about a bump to a simple poll topic
Post by: Kingman on July 12, 2011, 08:36:19 AM
Quote from: "Kenkoru"
I like his design. His stage is painfully fun, and has an extra segment after the boss is defeated, Fighting him is a blast, I love his stage theme, he has a kickass voice....
...And looks like Tengu Man!
Title: Re: Favorite Maverick
Post by: LlamaHombre on July 12, 2011, 01:14:28 PM
I love Bug mavericks.

Boomer Kuwanger from X1...
Magna Centipede from X2...
Gravity Beetbood from X3...

But all in all, Boomer Kuwanger is my favorite maverick.

He's got a great design that looks like a cross between Quick Man and Cut Man, his weapon is great, and his fight is really fun.

That, and he has the best song in the whole X series.
Title: Re: Favorite Maverick
Post by: darkmath on July 12, 2011, 03:27:50 PM
My favorite Mavericks are the fire element ones (except for "BURN! BURN TO THE GROUND!" SHUT UP!) and the water/ice/acid element ones:

1st - Blaze Heatnix
2nd - Burn Rooster
3rd - Magma Dragoon
4th - Flame Stag
5th - Flame Mammoth
6th - Mattrex

1st - Duff McWhalen
2nd - Blizzard Wolfang
3rd - Frost Walrus
4th - Blizzard Buffalo
5th - Frost Walrus
6th - Splash Warfly
Title: Re: Favorite Maverick
Post by: Blaze Yeager on July 12, 2011, 04:10:25 PM
X1 - Storm Eagle
X2 - Crystal Snail
X3 - Tunnel Rhino
X4 - Jet Stingray
X5 - Volt Kraken (JP Names are better :P)
X6 - Blaze Heatnix
X7 - Wheel Hog or whatever his name was
X8 - The Yeti boss (forgot his name also)
Title: Re: Favorite Maverick
Post by: LlamaHombre on July 12, 2011, 04:55:08 PM
X1 - Boomer Kuwanger
X2 - Magna Centipede
X3 - Gravity Beetbood
X4 - Don't Care.
X5 - Squid Adler (I beg to differ.)
X6 - Blizzard Wolfang
X7 - Flame Hyenard
X8 - Don't care.
Title: Re: Favorite Maverick
Post by: adom4 on July 12, 2011, 05:30:42 PM
X1: Boomer Kuwanger
X2: Magna Centipede
X3: Crush Crawfish (favorite maverick  :) )
X4: Storm Owl
X5: Izzy Glow
X6: Blaze Heatnix
X7: err... i don't really like any of the mavericks there :/.
X8: Avalanche Yeti
Title: Re: Favorite Maverick
Post by: Magnet Dood on July 12, 2011, 05:35:08 PM
Gravity Beetle is pretty damn cool. His stage music is addictive too.

Runners-up would most likely be Rainy Turtloid and Duff McWhalen.  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Favorite Maverick
Post by: LlamaHombre on July 12, 2011, 05:44:30 PM
Duff McWhalen has the best name ever.
Title: Re: Favorite Maverick
Post by: darkmath on July 12, 2011, 09:51:50 PM
Yeah totally, and I just noticed I put Frost Walrus twice :p
Title: Llama, you will care about X8 soon, and you'll love it. >_>
Post by: Kenkoru on July 12, 2011, 10:05:38 PM
X1: Boomer Kuwanger
X2: Magna Centipede
X3: Crush Crawfish
X4: Cyber Peacock
X5: Spiral Pegasus (You're wrong, Llama)
X6: Blizzard Wolfang
X7: Wind Crowrang
X8: Burn Rooster
Non-Animaloid: Lumine

I like them all for generally the same reasons. I like their designs, stage themes, fighting them, the weapon they give, stuff like that.
Title: Re: Favorite Maverick
Post by: Laggy Blazko on July 13, 2011, 12:01:00 AM
Quote from: "Star Dood"
Gravity Beetle is pretty damn cool. His stage music is addictive too.
I Agree, but Tunnel Rhino is still my favourite.
Title: Re: Favorite Maverick
Post by: easyaspi on July 13, 2011, 12:03:30 AM
Does Hurricane Hoatzin count?
Title: Re: Favorite Maverick
Post by: LlamaHombre on July 13, 2011, 12:23:41 AM
Oh goooooooooood

Tunnel Rhino is my least favorite maverick ever if only because his stage is UNBEARABLY hard.

I keep screwing up so hardddddd


And I imagine busting down a locked door and pulling out a gun upon hearing Gravity Beetbood's theme.



Quote from: "Kenkoru"
Llama, you will care about X8 soon, and you'll love it. >_>

Yar har fiddle dee dee.
Title: Re: Favorite Maverick
Post by: ice on July 13, 2011, 02:04:13 AM
Storm eagle: awesome music and design, not to mention loves to do his duty
chill penguin: He's friggin adorable
volt catfish: same as chill penguin, plus his stage music has the epic guitar solo


You never specified what game so here are some others (forgive my spelling)
burble hekerot: What can I say, I like frogs
Popla cocapetri: I love his personality and his comical situations
minos magnus: YOU CAN'T BEAT ME! I'M MINOS MAGNUS! ROAAAAAAAHHHH! also he has that HUGE friggen axe

and at a technicle standpoint, megaman (ALMOST went maverik)
Title: Re: Favorite Maverick
Post by: MLDKF on July 13, 2011, 02:45:30 AM
Storm Eagle because he's a bad-ass eagle and he has an awesome theme
Title: Re: Favorite Maverick
Post by: Korby on July 13, 2011, 02:49:52 AM
Tunnel Rhino's stage is hard, but he is ridiculously easy.
Title: lol, ice, you noob
Post by: Kenkoru on July 13, 2011, 02:52:26 AM
Quote from: "ice"
and at a technicle standpoint, megaman (ALMOST went maverik)

Mega Man never almost went maverick.
Title: Re: Favorite Maverick
Post by: Korby on July 13, 2011, 02:53:39 AM
I think he means "Die, Wily!"
Title: That's not going maverick.
Post by: Kenkoru on July 13, 2011, 03:01:05 AM
Even if Mega Man were to go through with killing Dr. Wily, he wouldn't be a maverick, due to the label only describing Reploids and Mechaniloids; both of which don't apply to Mega Man.
Title: Re: Favorite Maverick
Post by: ice on July 13, 2011, 08:22:49 AM
A maverik is any robot that goes againsed the law of robotics, which is that a robot cannot harm a human, also zero was the 1st maverik and he happens to be a robot also, which leads me to a good question, if maverik zero was defeated by sigma, then how long has homacidal zero been running around?
Title: Re: Favorite Maverick
Post by: Mr. Sean Nelson on July 13, 2011, 08:45:36 AM
I'd say Vile.

However, he was WAY cooler in MMX and X3.

In X8, he was around a lot.
But he was not really very badass.

He was relatively easy, and just served as an incompetent lackey.
I mean, in X3, he says that he'll haunt X until the day he dies.
Then, he just appears again as a stooge for the man.
It was just a sad anti-climax.

Make HIM the final bad guy for once, CAPCOM!
Title: Re: Favorite Maverick
Post by: NemZ on July 13, 2011, 10:57:57 AM
Honestly I barely remember any of them even though I own all but X7.  I mean Bamboo Pandemonium is an awesome name that stuck with me, but I don't really remember anything about fighting him.  That's a problem with the X series in general I feel, they start to get too mixed up between animal traits and their powers so that none of it really stands out as anything iconic.  Hell, even if one or two come to mind I can't remember their retarded names.  Only the humanoid characters are memorable even when I'd rather forget idiots like Dynamo and High Max.

The same criticisms apply to the Zero and ZX series too though.
Title: Re: Favorite Maverick
Post by: easyaspi on July 13, 2011, 03:05:25 PM
I think Dynamo's a pretty cool guy.
eh fights megaman and doesnt afraid of anything
He was actually modeled after the Confederate cavalrymen of the Civil War, so 'Merica finally did something in the series. Cool.
Title: Ice, you don't seem to get it.
Post by: Kenkoru on July 13, 2011, 03:33:44 PM
Quote from: "ice"
A maverik is any robot that goes againsed the law of robotics, which is that a robot cannot harm a human, also zero was the 1st maverik and he happens to be a robot also

A maverick is a reploid or mechaniloid that is a threat against humans. It doesn't apply to simple robots from the Classic series. Zero is a very complex robot, as with the case of X, and has an advanced AI (Close to that of a human's mind, which is why he is referred to as a reploid in most cases), which is more complicated than that of any robot [master].  He is referred to as a reploid, but is an android above all else. You said yourself, that he was the first maverick, meaning he started the maverick virus, which causes reploids and mechaniloids to go maverick. Reploids may also go maverick by free will, something robots from the Classic series don't have; they are all programmed to do what they do.
Title: Re: Favorite Maverick
Post by: NitroBro on July 13, 2011, 03:53:23 PM
picking zero is so boring even though capcom didnt love him

but i like neon tiger because he reminds me of wolverine
Title: Re: Ice, you don't seem to get it.
Post by: NemZ on July 13, 2011, 05:09:11 PM
Quote from: "Kenkoru"
they are all programmed to do what they do.

So are people.  Hate to break it to ya, but free will is an illusion.
Title: Re: Favorite Maverick
Post by: LlamaHombre on July 13, 2011, 05:12:54 PM
If Zero was a woman, everyone would love him 7 times more than they do now.
Title: Re: Ice, you don't seem to get it.
Post by: Mr. Sean Nelson on July 13, 2011, 05:27:50 PM
Quote from: "NemZ"
Quote from: "Kenkoru"
they are all programmed to do what they do.

So are people.  Hate to break it to ya, but free will is an illusion.

Well I know enough about Philosophy to say that that's a very contentious claim you're making.

In any case, that's what kind of sucked about the classic series.
Why send Mega Man at all?
Why not a guy with a pointy stick?
They can't hurt him!
Title: Re: Favorite Maverick
Post by: LlamaHombre on July 13, 2011, 05:41:00 PM
Dr. Wily would still probably kill a human.
Title: Re: Ice, you don't seem to get it.
Post by: NemZ on July 13, 2011, 06:07:07 PM
Quote from: "Sean Nelson"
Well I know enough about Philosophy to say that that's a very contentious claim you're making.

It's only contentious because people generally don't like to think of themselves as meat machines.  Of course we're free to will whatever we want, but the point is that the things we want are all determined by prior experience, current circumstances, limitations of imagination or ability, and genetic traits.  It's a very subtle sort of programing but it's there all the same.  

Bringing it back to the series, what was that 30 years in the capsule for other than to tightly control the experiences X has?  He was brainwashed to behave the way he does because Dr. Light was paranoid.

Oh, and it's ridiculous that mavericks need a 'virus' as an excuse if they really have free will, since going maverick really means 'refusing to obey the arbitrary authority of humans'.  Depending on how a reploid is treated by those humans it can make perfect logical sense to act against them.
Title: Re: Favorite Maverick
Post by: ice on July 14, 2011, 06:00:46 PM
Ok lets just friggen end it! I said TECHNICALY, what part of that do you not understand, by technicaly I mean both wanting to kill a human and he's a robot, OK!? This is the 3rd friggen arguement that started just because someone tends to not read my whole post or someone that completely misunderstands what I'm saying
Title: Le facepalm
Post by: Kenkoru on July 14, 2011, 09:21:59 PM
Yes, you said "technically," more or less, but the way you used it states it as if it's 100% true, which it isn't. If you wanted to get the point, "both wanting to kill a human and he's a robot" across, you could have worded your post much better, and wouldn't have started this "arguement."

I may have misunderstood what you meant, but I interpreted the words you posted just fine.

Quote from: "NemZ"
So are people.  Hate to break it to ya, but free will is an illusion.
Remember that this is in context of the story. The writers may have written the story and how everything happens with a completely different view on it. You may not believe in exact free will, but the writers may very well have, and used it in their story the way they saw it.

Quote from: "NemZ"
Bringing it back to the series, what was that 30 years in the capsule for other than to tightly control the experiences X has?  He was brainwashed to behave the way he does because Dr. Light was paranoid.
It's the same as parent's influence. X's time in the capsule is teaching him morals, so he that he may make positive choices when he goes into the world.

Quote from: "NemZ"
Oh, and it's ridiculous that mavericks need a 'virus' as an excuse if they really have free will, since going maverick really means 'refusing to obey the arbitrary authority of humans'.  Depending on how a reploid is treated by those humans it can make perfect logical sense to act against them.
Only the mavericks in X8, plus a few exceptions, went maverick on their own will. Most reploids and mechaniloids before then went maverick by the virus as if they were possessed. The virus took over their electronic brains and controlled them.

inb4 a flaw in my statement that I can't back up due to lack of knowledge is pointed out
Title: Re: Favorite Maverick
Post by: RenegadeX5 on July 15, 2011, 02:15:27 AM
In all honesty I REALLY don't have a favorite maverick...
o.o

They're all cool/annoying in their own way.
Title: Re: Ice, you don't seem to get it.
Post by: Mr. Sean Nelson on July 15, 2011, 05:04:39 AM
Quote from: "NemZ"
Quote from: "Sean Nelson"
Well I know enough about Philosophy to say that that's a very contentious claim you're making.

It's only contentious because people generally don't like to think of themselves as meat machines.  Of course we're free to will whatever we want, but the point is that the things we want are all determined by prior experience, current circumstances, limitations of imagination or ability, and genetic traits.  It's a very subtle sort of programing but it's there all the same.

Not to run on a tangent here, but there is much more to it than that. Of course there are people who want to believe that all of our experiences are our own. There are also many people who would like to believe that none of their decision were their responsibility, because things were preordained to happen in such a fashion.

Genetics and environment are strong motivations for a deterministic viewpoint, but the free will advocate has a lot of wiggle room left. Freedom of will doesn't mean that you can do anything, that's just ridiculous and no one would ever truly believe it. Rather, free will is, at the very least, the ability to select a course of action as a means of fulfilling some desire (The Humean Theory of Motivation). Which ever is true is up to fierce debate, but I've often thought it plausible that a sort of quasi-freedom of will is much more probable. I couldn't even scratch the surface of this fundamentally complex issue in one post (or even 30), so I'll leave you with these very helpful philosophical summaries on the subject:

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/freewill/ (http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/freewill/)
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/determinism-causal/ (http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/determinism-causal/)

In any case, I don't know a whole ton about the Mavericks, but this seems the case with them as well(except for X8). Some freedoms are there, others are not. In other words, the Humean theory of motivation states that actions are performed due to a belief and a desire. Reploids may either: 1.) Be programmed to not be able to form the desire to harm humans. Or 2.) Be programmed with a very strong desire not to wish harm to humans. The Maverick virus would simply rewrite this programming.
Title: Re: Favorite Maverick
Post by: ajx9000 on July 15, 2011, 05:29:25 AM
I've never played MMX2-X4 and X6-X8, but here are my current favorite maverick bosses.

MMX1: Boomer Kuwanger- BADASS STAGE THEME!
MMX5: Duff McWhalen-I like the remastered Bubble Crab stage theme. Also, wow DUFF McWhalen? >.<
Title: Re: Le facepalm
Post by: NemZ on July 15, 2011, 06:26:50 AM
Quote from: "Kenkoru"
Remember that this is in context of the story. The writers may have written the story and how everything happens with a completely different view on it.

If the scriptwriter has a different view then that scriptwriter is factually wrong.

Quote
Only the mavericks in X8, plus a few exceptions, went maverick on their own will. Most reploids and mechaniloids before then went maverick by the virus as if they were possessed. The virus took over their electronic brains and controlled them.

I know, but that's what I'm complaining about... the real 'virus' that should be turning reploids against humans is the very thought that rebellion is possible, passed as a meme rather than a physical or electronic invader.  But no, it's a virus... not that this makes any sense at all that a program code somehow takes physical form and causes direct attacks against hunters.  Then again this is a game where robots can physically enter 'cyberspace' or whatever for several stages, so I guess making sense of this crap is a lost cause regardless.

Quote from: "Sean Nelson"
Genetics and environment are strong motivations for a deterministic viewpoint, but the free will advocate has a lot of wiggle room left.

Only because the meaning of free will is being shuffled in different contexts between 'free to' and 'free from' depending on the circumstances.  If we truely had free will we really could will anything (and there is a difference between willing and doing, which you neglected;  a guy could will himself to fly all day without accomplishing anything), but the reality is that the things we will are determined by various factors of environment and nature... we might be able to DO otherwise, but we can't WILL otherwise to find out.

Now we do have illusory free wills so long as no external, identifiable force is coercing us to behave this way because we are still doing what we will, and for this reason we are still responsible for our choices even if we couldn't really choose otherwise.  Justice is then predicated not on punishing the misdeeds of a rebellious will but rather on attempting to correct the internal workings of a person's decision making process through external stimuli so that future volitions will hopefully be more acceptable to society.

==========

Oh, and I've been playing through some of the old games since this topic reminded me how fuzzy my memories of those games is getting.

X1 - Chill Penguin
X2 - Crystal Snail
X3 - Blast Hornet
X4 - Split Mushroom
Title: Re: Favorite Maverick
Post by: SaviorSword on July 15, 2011, 04:44:39 PM
X1: It's the very first game, and it's VERY hard to pick ONE. If I had to, it'd be Storm Eagle. Everyone else would be in a higher rank if I decided to list all of them.
X2: Crystal Snail. SHINY!  :cool:
X3: Gravity Beetle
X4: Magma Dragoon
X5: Dark Necrobat / Dark Dizzy. Really, X5 mavericks were harder to choose from than X1.
X6: Rainy Turtloid
X7: See below. Wind Crowrang
X8: Not a big fan of either of those games (X7 more), But If I had to pick one from X8, it'd be Dark Mantis. X7 would be
Title: Re: Le facepalm
Post by: Mr. Sean Nelson on July 15, 2011, 07:28:28 PM
Quote from: "NemZ"
Quote from: "Sean Nelson"
Genetics and environment are strong motivations for a deterministic viewpoint, but the free will advocate has a lot of wiggle room left.

Only because the meaning of free will is being shuffled in different contexts between 'free to' and 'free from' depending on the circumstances.  If we truely had free will we really could will anything (and there is a difference between willing and doing, which you neglected;  a guy could will himself to fly all day without accomplishing anything), but the reality is that the things we will are determined by various factors of environment and nature... we might be able to DO otherwise, but we can't WILL otherwise to find out.

Now we do have illusory free wills so long as no external, identifiable force is coercing us to behave this way because we are still doing what we will, and for this reason we are still responsible for our choices even if we couldn't really choose otherwise.  Justice is then predicated not on punishing the misdeeds of a rebellious will but rather on attempting to correct the internal workings of a person's decision making process through external stimuli so that future volitions will hopefully be more acceptable to society.

I don't mean any offense, but here's how you tell the difference between someone who grasps a philosophical topic and someone who has a lot more to learn on the subject: The person who does not yet understand gives a clear yes or no answer. Again, I mean no offense. I only know because that happened to be one of my majors in college. People haven't been debating and pondering this question since before recorded history because it was an easy question to answer.

In other words, there is a rule regarding philosophical questions. If we can come to an understanding of a clear, noncontroversial answer, it was never a philosophical question to begin with.

What you touch down on in the last paragraph is the PAP (Principle of Alternative Possibilities) debate. There are basically two camps here. The first believe that freedom of will requires the ability to have done otherwise. The second believes that the ability to have done otherwise is not required for human free will. Personally, I sympathize with the second camp. Their use of Frankfurt Counter-Examples against PAP are quite effective.
Here is a small glimpse as to why:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankfurt_counterexamples (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankfurt_counterexamples)
Title: Re: Favorite Maverick
Post by: Chimera Man on July 15, 2011, 08:11:39 PM
Soooooooooo... what was the topic of this thread again?  :geek:
Title: Re: Favorite Maverick
Post by: NemZ on July 15, 2011, 08:55:34 PM
Quote from: "Chimera Man"
Soooooooooo... what was the topic of this thread again?  :geek:

Our favorite mavericks, which created a discussion about just what it means to be a maverick.

Also I started replaying X5 today but just couldn't do it, all the playstation MMX titles are just so DULL and each is a significant drop in quality from the last.  It couldn't possibly be more obvious that Inafune was bored silly with the series and had pretty much nothing to do with X5 onward.  So yeah, I don't have a favorite from X5 onward because they all suck.

@ Sean Nelson:
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Title: Re: Favorite Maverick
Post by: SaviorSword on July 15, 2011, 10:08:34 PM
If Criminals are to humans, then Mavericks are to Reploids, right?
Title: Re: Favorite Maverick
Post by: Chimera Man on July 15, 2011, 11:12:55 PM
Quote from: "SaviorSword"
If Criminals are to humans, then Mavericks are to Reploids, right?

I guess you nailed it. End discussion.  :shock:
Title: Re: Favorite Maverick
Post by: NemZ on July 16, 2011, 02:18:33 AM
In that case virus is to mavericks as (insert lame excuse) is to criminals, and nobody is responsible for willing anything.

For that matter if the reploids are supposed to be more advanced AI than robot masters why do they tend to be even easier to get stuck in a loop?
Title: Re: Favorite Maverick
Post by: Korby on July 16, 2011, 02:36:56 AM
Because they have damage reactions, especially weakness reactions.

I'm looking at you, Crystal Snail.
Title: Re: Favorite Maverick
Post by: Mr. Sean Nelson on July 16, 2011, 03:00:21 AM
But couldn't it be even theoretically possible for a reploid to be infected with the Maverick virus and never commit a crime?

In other words, if the Maverick virus overwrites the Three Laws of Robotics, then reploids could choose whether or not to harm humans. The key here is that they could choose to not harm them.

After all, human beings arguably have these liberties, and most of us don't seem to commit acts of depravity.

If the Maverick virus creates a strong motivation to harm humans in addition to overwriting the three laws, then it would seem that the Mavericks aren't obviously blameworthy for their actions.

So, which of these is canon?

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Title: Re: Favorite Maverick
Post by: SaviorSword on July 16, 2011, 03:18:37 AM
Well it seems to me that pretty much every virus in a MMX game was programed to make Reploids go break the 3 rules. Even in real life viruses, if it infects a computer it will cause it to do thin's that the computer may not want to do.

Or we could see thin's in another way. Our brains is just a clump of chemical matter that makes our thoughts into action right? What if a virus forcefully enter in it and injected its program into our grey matter to change the chemicals that makes us "normal"? Can ya REALLY resist that kind of thin' even if ya want to? I doubt it. So in the case of Reploids, I can see thin's work out like that.
Title: Re: Favorite Maverick
Post by: Korby on July 16, 2011, 03:37:01 AM
Pretty much every reploid/robot made during MMX was based on X's coding, and because X had free will, so did they.

Three laws are void.
Title: Re: Favorite Maverick
Post by: NemZ on July 16, 2011, 12:12:57 PM
Quote from: "Korby"
Because they have damage reactions, especially weakness reactions.

And that's exactly my point.  It would be far more thematically appropriate for all of them to have semi-random reactive AI in-game rather than strict patterns, and especially not such pathetic reactions that they can really on damage you until you get in the first hit, after which it is an exercise in tedium to kill them.  If anything they should fight HARDER if you hit them with a weakness, such as anyone who has a half-dead power up getting it immediately.  Guys who lose parts & attack options like Launch Octopus or Magna Centipede should switch it up to either a more aggressive AI or more of an elusive keep-away style... anything to show they actually recognize the threat they face, you know?  Facing a reploid with the right weakness should reward the player with a more exciting battle while taking huge chunks of life off at a time, not hand them a cheap victory that feels like a consolation prize.

Magma Dragoon is perhaps the most pathetic example... basically Akuma who also has Sagat's low fireball for some reason, this guy is usually such a spastic threat that the dev team thought it was a good idea to let players bring a ride armor into the arena.  But oh, one hit from Double Cyclone and he can't do anything but jump from one side of the screen to the other, never leaving your firing line to keep him locked down forever without a single counterattack.  Congratulations on your 'victory', X.  You get EFFORTLESS TEDIUM.

Quote from: "Sean Nelson"
But couldn't it be even theoretically possible for a reploid to be infected with the Maverick virus and never commit a crime?

Yes it absolutely should, but the actions of some are seen as justification to hunt down anyone infected on the chance they might also go on a rampage, thus providing motivation for some to act against society that wasn't actually there before.  The glaring hypocrisy of the maverick hunters honestly should be enough to drive even non-infected reploids to rebel against their tyrannical ways, which of course will also get them labeled mavericks.  Hooray for fascism.

And just where exactly do humans stand on all of this?  How were reploids treated prior and during these events?  Where do they stand on the several attempts of reploids to create their own culture?  Why is there not even one example of a human agency getting involved in the global crisis?  When you think about it in these terms it seems more and more like a slave revolt with the maverick hunters as collaborator uncle toms.  Hell, it's possible the humans actually largely side WITH the mavericks and the MHs are seen as "big brother" fanatics drunk on their own authority of force and accountable to no one while led by the very two beings responsible for the situation in the first place.

Actually that raises another rather biting question: if the virus causes mavericks and it originally comes from Zero, why was there an organization of maverick hunters for Sigma to lead in existence prior to his discovery?
Title: Re: Favorite Maverick
Post by: Rawk Hawk on July 16, 2011, 06:32:13 PM
I'm gonna have to disagree with you there. The three rules of robotics are in a sense, more like the rules made to govern out people, and the maverick virus makes them forget these rules. Now, what if in our society, you had an illness where you "forgot" the laws of the land? You'd feel free range to do whatever you want. As thus, Mavericks believe they have this free range. This is where the Maverick Hunters come in. They are more the police force, set to making sure all the laws of robotics are correctly followed.

I also think the reason there are no "human" forces out there is that it is much easier to send a robotic being out when said being can be rebuilt. And I highly doubt any human sides with the Mavericks. That is a highly insane idea. Most mavericks want to KILL the humans, or did you forget this? While it's possible they may view the MH as a "big brother" like being (see Copy X) there is no way they would ever side with the Mavericks.
Title: Re: Favorite Maverick
Post by: Nuy on July 16, 2011, 08:10:17 PM
X1 - Chill Penguin
X2 - Overdrive Ostrich
X3 - Blizzard Buffalo
X4 - Frost Walrus
Dont give damn about X5 - X8.
Title: Re: Favorite Maverick
Post by: NemZ on July 16, 2011, 09:26:45 PM
Quote from: "Rawk Hawk"
I'm gonna have to disagree with you there. The three rules of robotics are in a sense, more like the rules made to govern out people, and the maverick virus makes them forget these rules.

Asimov's 3 rules don't and can't apply here because if reploids followed them they couldn't possibly be considered to have free will, which is the whole point.  The 3 rules are specifically designed to insure robots are subservient, protective, and self-sacrificing towards humans.  For comparison, what if your mind was created in such a way that you were unable to cause harm, even in self defense, to someone because they were part of a particular club?  That you were compelled to obey them and to protect them even at the cost of your own life if necessary, regardless of how they treat you or even if they intentionally put themselves in a situation to force you to die for them?

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I also think the reason there are no "human" forces out there is that it is much easier to send a robotic being out when said being can be rebuilt.

If they can build effective weaponry into a reploid why can't it be made as a stand-alone system like a rifle or mounted on a vehicle?  What about remote-piloted drones under direct human control?  What if the reploids don't really WANT to have to fight and possibly be destroyed for the human's protection?

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And I highly doubt any human sides with the Mavericks.

Really?  In some cases they seem quite sympathetic to me, especially the Repliforce guys who didn't actually do anything but defend themselves while trying to leave the world behind, only to have the Maverick Hunters follow them into space and destroy them, all because of an incredibly stupid misunderstanding.

Besides, you're always going to have appeasers who think they can buy safety by opposing their own group's power structure.  It Isn't logical but then people aren't really logical either.
Title: Re: Favorite Maverick
Post by: Mr. Sean Nelson on July 16, 2011, 10:06:04 PM
Speaking of human forces, it really puts the classic series into perspective.

1.) Robots can't harm humans.
2.) Robots are attacking (something).
3.) Send a Robot!!!

I never understood why humans don't take care of that.
You could send a guy with a pointy stick to destroy the Robot Masters!
Title: Re: Favorite Maverick
Post by: Nuy on July 16, 2011, 10:13:03 PM
Robots = Reploids
Robot Masters = Mavericks
Thats why, Sean.
Title: Re: Favorite Maverick
Post by: Laggy Blazko on July 17, 2011, 02:09:03 AM
Quote from: "Nuy"
Robots = Reploids
Robot Masters = Mavericks
Thats why, Sean.
No. All those humanoid robots, including megaman, are called robot masters.
Anyway these bad robot masters are not "mavericks" because they obbey Wily. Maybe he reprogrammed their ROMs making them able to hurt people.
Title: Re: Favorite Maverick
Post by: Mr. Sean Nelson on July 17, 2011, 02:35:35 AM
You heard Wily: "A robot cannot harm a human".

That's why Mavericks were different than Robot Masters.
It's also why it doesn't make any sense that Human's don't run in there and defeat Air Man!
Title: Re: Favorite Maverick
Post by: Balls on July 18, 2011, 03:11:00 AM
X1 - Storm Eagle
X2 - Wire Sponge
X3 - Gravity Beetle
X4 - Cyber Peacock
X5 - Axle Rose

Don't care bout X6-X8
Title: Re: Favorite Maverick
Post by: FCx on July 19, 2011, 04:46:37 AM
Quote from: "CutmanMike"
I don't really like the X series as much as the classic. I guess I'll go with Boomer Kuwanger. He was really weird, and has a cool name. I only ever played Mega Man X1-3.
same as CutmanMike I like boomer kuwanger, his 8-bit version rocks!!!!
Title: Re: Favorite Maverick
Post by: LifeCraft J on August 27, 2011, 04:59:34 AM
X1: Boomer Kuwanger is too overrated. Screw him. Chill Penguin is one badass mofo!! (lolwut). And theres something about his design that I like. (My favorite animal is penguins).
X2: Bubble Crab. I have a thing for barrier-using robot masters and Mavericks. Plus. He looks awesome.

I'm new to the X series, and I'm educating myself about the series right now.
Title: Re: Favorite Maverick
Post by: Proto Man on August 27, 2011, 11:56:13 AM
Quote from: "Sean Nelson"
But couldn't it be even theoretically possible for a reploid to be infected with the Maverick virus and never commit a crime?

No.  Because remember Dr.Doppler he was infected and as soon as he was infected he went ape shit and tried to destroy the world.

And look at Squid Adler.  As soon as he was infected he attacked the player.  

And look at Sigma, he didn't go maverick at will, like he said he did.  When he fought Zero, the virus was passed to him.  Then he went ape shit. (and insane I might add)

And look at Zero himself.  When wily created the virus from the evil energy from MM8,  and put it all into Zero he went ape shit too, so Wily put him into a capsule, then when the Maverick Hunters woke up Zero, he went ape shit again because of the virus,  and when he passed it on the Sigma, most of the virus went out of him and he had no idea what he did and he turned good (because most of the virus was out of him) but a little was still left,  thats why he turned into Nightmare Zero when hes exposed to alot of the Maverick Virus, and Zero himself spread the virus around the world on his missions, because he still has a little of the virus still in him.  So indirectly, Zero is still doing his original pupose: spreading the virus.
Title: Re: Favorite Maverick
Post by: LlamaHombre on August 27, 2011, 02:10:19 PM
Quote from: "Lifeup J"
X1: Boomer Kuwanger is too overrated. Screw him.

Name 7 people not on Cutstuff that say that Kuwanger is the Best Maverick.

A majority pick Storm Eagle over Kuwanger.
Title: Re: Favorite Maverick
Post by: Korby on August 27, 2011, 02:19:03 PM
I personally really like Bubble Crab and Gravity Beetle. Also Armored Armadillo.
Title: Re: Favorite Maverick
Post by: LlamaHombre on August 27, 2011, 02:21:12 PM
Gravity Beetbood has the Best Japanese name ever created.
Title: Re: Favorite Maverick
Post by: LifeCraft J on August 27, 2011, 04:41:57 PM
Quote from: "LlamaHombre"
Quote from: "Lifeup J"
X1: Boomer Kuwanger is too overrated. Screw him.

Name 7 people not on Cutstuff that say that Kuwanger is the Best Maverick.

I don't know any rl friends that know about Megaman.
Also, I just said that because, i looked at the first pages of this thread. A majority of people loved Kuwanger.

A majority pick Storm Eagle over Kuwanger.
Title: Re: Favorite Maverick
Post by: Nuy on August 27, 2011, 06:40:50 PM
Good
X1 - Launch Octopus
X2 - Overdrive Ostrich
X3 - Blizzard Buffalo
X4 - Jet Stingray
X5 - Tidal Whale
X6 - Blaze Heatnix
Screw X7+X8, they suck.

Bad
X1 - Spark Mandrill
X2 - Crystal Snail
X3 - Neon Tiger
X4 - Magma Dragoon
X5 - Grizzly Slash
X6 - Rainy Turtloid
Screw X7+X8, they suck.
yay bumps
Title: Re: Favorite Maverick
Post by: LlamaHombre on August 27, 2011, 06:43:52 PM
Quote from: "Nuy"
X8, they suck.

I like X8.  :mad:
Title: Re: Favorite Maverick
Post by: Mr. Sean Nelson on August 27, 2011, 09:30:26 PM
Quote from: "Protoman01"
Quote from: "Sean Nelson"
But couldn't it be even theoretically possible for a reploid to be infected with the Maverick virus and never commit a crime?

No.  Because remember Dr.Doppler he was infected and as soon as he was infected he went ape shit and tried to destroy the world.

And look at Squid Adler.  As soon as he was infected he attacked the player.  

And look at Sigma, he didn't go maverick at will, like he said he did.  When he fought Zero, the virus was passed to him.  Then he went ape shit. (and insane I might add)

And look at Zero himself.  When wily created the virus from the evil energy from MM8,  and put it all into Zero he went ape shit too, so Wily put him into a capsule, then when the Maverick Hunters woke up Zero, he went ape shit again because of the virus,  and when he passed it on the Sigma, most of the virus went out of him and he had no idea what he did and he turned good (because most of the virus was out of him) but a little was still left,  thats why he turned into Nightmare Zero when hes exposed to alot of the Maverick Virus, and Zero himself spread the virus around the world on his missions, because he still has a little of the virus still in him.  So indirectly, Zero is still doing his original pupose: spreading the virus.

'Theoretically' being the key word.
Meaning, is it conceptually possible for this to happen.
That isn't answered by saying that it has not happened.
Title: Re: Favorite Maverick
Post by: Proto Man on August 29, 2011, 02:31:19 AM
There is no "theory"  anymore I just layed out all the info in front of you.
Title: Re: Favorite Maverick
Post by: Balls on August 29, 2011, 03:10:51 AM
Now, if only Capcom would make an X9...
Title: Re: Favorite Maverick
Post by: LifeCraft J on August 29, 2011, 03:30:19 AM
Hmmmm. So the timeline goes from (in order):
Classic.
X.
Zero.
Battle Network.
Star force.
(I forgot the other series names, don't blame me.)
Title: Re: Favorite Maverick
Post by: Balls on August 29, 2011, 03:35:54 AM
Quote from: "Lifeup J"
Hmmmm. So the timeline goes from (in order):
Classic.
X.
Zero.
Battle Network.
Star force.
(I forgot the other series names, don't blame me.)

Battle Network and Star force are in a completely different universe from Classic , X, and Zero, otherwise, your timelime is right :). And the series your missing is the Megaman Legends series.
Title: Re: Favorite Maverick
Post by: LifeCraft J on August 29, 2011, 03:38:16 AM
*Epic facepalm*
How could I forget?! Especially after the Megaman Legends 3 cancelled!