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Send Jenova or Watermelon a message on IRC. It's right there in the MOTD.Watermelon wanted a separate master server for MM8BDM to cut it off from the Zandronum community.
Can't speak for Watermelon, but I don't really have anything against MM8BDM, so you might just want to message me instead.Quote from: "Balrog"Send Jenova or Watermelon a message on IRC. It's right there in the MOTD.Watermelon wanted a separate master server for MM8BDM to cut it off from the Zandronum community.
There's no way he's going to help anyone from this game, let alone minor disputes amongst players that have been posted on the forums in the past (which are almost always complaining about vote kicks in servers).
At the very least, he might be able to solve problems relating to the zandronum client itself (like master server bans that happened on Skulltag) but it's very doubtful he'd offer help to anyone here. (If you don't believe me, just look at the last time he was here.) A good example would be the problem of map rotations in servers - although I believe King Dumb already handled that issue for his.
There are probably a few people on CutStuff already familiar with Zandronum, anyway.
[8:12:45 PM] Alice: ok, why cant i join servers with just 8 peopleEssentially Alice and I are having the same problem. I've tried joining repeatedly and I still get the '"server is full" error.
[8:53:28 PM] Alice: hmm
[9:09:32 PM] Gumballtoid: Every time I go to join the LMS server it says it's full
[9:09:34 PM] Gumballtoid: What the hell
[9:09:37 PM] Gumballtoid: It's just 8 guys
[9:09:53 PM] Alice: seems to be a bug
[9:09:57 PM] Alice: it comes and goes
[9:10:25 PM] Gumballtoid: rbr posting on Cutstuff
[9:13:57 PM] Stardroid Kirbz: It is a bug
I have to ask, guys...
I have to ask, guys...
Do we need this many classes servers?
Seriously, 6 out of the 12 or 13 servers hosted by Best Ever contains the Classes wad in it. For Saxton Hale, it's 3 out of 4 servers. When everyone is playing in servers with wads you do not like to use, would you even bother playing? I may just go back to playing League of Legends with bots rather than try to relearn Classes all over again, and the former option is not too fun. Can't you guys just host anything vanilla for once?
Can't you guys just host anything vanilla for once?
So if i join the irc.zandronum.com #bestever i can host a server? cool!Not only that. You have to register in best-ever.org, register in irc.zandronum.com, then upload (or use) the wads and cfg files. After that all, you can easily start a server.
I have a bad network.... so this will be really handy for me...
It turns out my at&t email is not liked by the website i need to try my other email...Quote from: "Zard1084"So if i join the irc.zandronum.com #bestever i can host a server? cool!Not only that. You have to register in best-ever.org, register in irc.zandronum.com, then upload (or use) the wads and cfg files. After that all, you can easily start a server.
I have a bad network.... so this will be really handy for me...
Quote from: "tsukiyomaru0"It turns out my at&t email is not liked by the website i need to try my other email...Quote from: "Zard1084"So if i join the irc.zandronum.com #bestever i can host a server? cool!Not only that. You have to register in best-ever.org, register in irc.zandronum.com, then upload (or use) the wads and cfg files. After that all, you can easily start a server.
I have a bad network.... so this will be really handy for me...
stuffI'd just like to take this moment to say that the Best-Ever staff has generally been very helpful and friendly to any inquiries I might or might not have had. It's been a pleasure using Best-Ever so far and I hope it continues well into the future.
Please.
No more BestPackever thing really weird.
Quote from: "Stonefunk"Please.
No more BestPackever thing really weird.
What you mean the bestmappackever i want it is the best map pack ever so make more servers with it.
Quote from: "FTX"Quote from: "Stonefunk"Please.
No more BestPackever thing really weird.
What you mean the bestmappackever i want it is the best map pack ever so make more servers with it.
Why ? What's wrong with you ? This pack map is just made for retarded guys. It's 0/20 fun. That's all.
I dont know why your are the defender of this packmap..wth!
Yeah, it's fun to small children.
Not so much fun for people over the age of eight who are here to play a game instead of look at rainbows.
BME was NOT made for Deathmatch, LMS, CTF, Duel, Possession, Terminator, Classes, Saxton Hale, Roboenza, GVH8BDM, The Hunted, Screw Scramble, or Any Gamemode Ever. As a rule of thumb, if you're going to host a server where players are going to shoot at one another, for the love of god, leave BME out. People are only going to vote it away when it comes up.
BE packmap is the worst idea ever.
Everybody is bored with that packmap... (except some guys who don't care about the sens of the life).
I think, the guy who host all the MM8BDM servers with it, he want kill our community with that packmap, just to show how retarded can be some things in our community :/
But it's just this packmap right?
Yeah, it's a weird though but i try to understand the point.
That one person doing this is literally wanting to damn the community. Best Ever Maps and 2nd Coop aren't meant to be hosted that much or often, because they are non-serious packs. 2nd Coop would be acceptable because even Skulltag had something like that (A purposedly poorly made map pack for coop games that had humorous elements to it), bust Best Ever Maps is just a joke Map Pack that goes straight to fads within the community (Another Medal Please, Pharaoh is the best Robot Master, Hotel, etc).Quote from: "Stonefunk"BE packmap is the worst idea ever.
Everybody is bored with that packmap... (except some guys who don't care about the sens of the life).
I think, the guy who host all the MM8BDM servers with it, he want kill our community with that packmap, just to show how retarded can be some things in our community :/
But it's just this packmap right?
Yeah, it's a weird though but i try to understand the point.
I understand the sense of life, you're just discriminating against a mappack, and that's NO GOOD.
Map Pack that goes straight to fads within the community (Another Medal PleaseWat
If you guys want to know who made the server with BME in it, I can go into the irc and ask the admins who made which server. I remember when all the classes servers popped up and I got curious about who kept making them. Mysteryman1 made at least one classes server, if I remember correctly.
Also,Quote from: "tsukiyomaru0"Map Pack that goes straight to fads within the community (Another Medal PleaseWat
Reading BestEver servers as of now:I think you haven't been around when 6/10 BestEver MM8DM servers were only BME with Classes, Ragenza, Saxton, T Party,,,
MMSP COOP (No BME)
Classes V6F Duel ew (No BME)
Another MMSP COOP (No BME)
Yet another MMSP COOP (No BME)
Classes Saxton Hale also ew (No BME)
MOAR MMSP COOP (No BME)
I realize this isn't all of them but there's just an overload of MMSP COOP.
Also I was on a regular hale server earlier with no BME.
This isn't a problem, I have no idea why you're addressing the 1 in 99 servers that DO have BME.
Your sarcasm has been noted and the authorities contacted. [/sarcasm]
Thank you and have a good day.
But on a more serious note, making more servers is not the answer. Do you not see how many servers MM8BDM is currently using? How many see very little to no use? Best-Ever servers don't just magically appear out of thin air, you know. Show a little respect for the guys providing them and use them responsibly.
Don't boot CTF. It may be (severely) underplayed, but it's always good to have something different available.
I guess I'll go put regular CTF back up, though I will make it vanilla. At least it is something else to do on MM8BDM if Classes, Roboenza, Saxton Hale, or Deathmatch do not sound good at the moment.
I wanna throw out there that combining everything with classes is now not only cliche/expected, it's also unoriginal and boring.
As of this post, there are 21 Best-Ever servers up.
Two are private servers, which are unnecessary and inconsiderate. Frostbrand put it quite well: host your own. Don't use precious BE bandwidth for limited use. Very rarely do I even see them being used. (Looking at you, Senkle/Light fella).
Six are co-op servers, when there would really only need to be two at max: one for Cooperative and one for Survival. Anymore is just redundant and wasting more BE server capacity.
Four are Saxton Hale servers. Three of those four feature YD classes. I understand Saxton Hale is a popular mod, but there shouldn't be that many of them. Shave off the classes servers and play the game mode as was intended.
Six servers feature YD classes. Three are Saxton Hale servers and one is a private server. The other two are for the Classes TLMS Tourney (which was cancelled and thus shouldn't be up) and the other is a duel server. Five out of six of those don't need to be wasting BE servers when the duel server and maybe a TLMS server are all that are necessary.
Those that I haven't mentioned include a CTF server (basic, seems viable), a One-Flag CTF server (should go down, nobody seems to play), an "unused maps" server (this is non-classes TDM so it seems viable), a special classes server (a unique wad, seems okay), a Hell Chaos Gen server (a joke wad at best, should go down), a Mafia server (unique wad, fairly active, seems okay) and an obstacle course server (appears to be active, unique wad, should be okay).
Of the 21 presently up, roughly 13 of them are unnecessary and redundant, meaning there are only about 8 servers that deserve hosting. That's just ridiculous. If you want to host a server that's already being hosted by BE and you dislike for some inane reason, don't put up another BE server: host your own. Please don't waste bandwidth that is better used elsewhere.
Bring in other mappacks and stop "restricting" it for the most part to AMP/CSCM/IX. While those packs may be "great", they feel like they could use some fresh blood.This, emphasis on the bolded part. IX, CSCM and AMP are great packs, yes. But I also feel the need for variety, and for packs that have time and dedication placed into them to see the light rather than hanging around as just another mapping topic for the collection. This is part of the reason I don't get on servers as much anymore (though there's also college, but meh).
Bring in variety, get new things going. How can you people possibly just keep doing the same thing OVER AND OVER AGAIN and not get tired of it (when restricted to the small choices that are given here).
If you want these "lesser used map packs" or "niche game modes" to get feedback and improve, Host them with your own bandwidth. Best-Ever is not your sandbox. It's a public service for people to play modes that will get traffic. Hosting things like BME and underplayed 1 flag is like kicking out dozens of school kids from the park so you and your three friends can play checkers in the middle of the soccer field.Just a quick question: Where exactly on the Best-ever website/topic does it specify, or even imply, anything that you just wrote? In fact, if I may take a quote from the actual topic, (http://zandronum.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=713)
Why make BE?So yeah, I think they are okay with people hosting obscure wads and not having to worry about bandwidth issues.
BE is a solution for developers who want to test out wads, or just players who want to host a stable server without the drawbacks of a home server. Some players cannot host servers from their home, and BE lets them create a unique customized dedicated server instantly, free of charge.
Also, wasn't Mapchella made to resurrect map packs? And wasn't the only thing it accomplished the revival of BME?It was intended to bring obscure map packs into the spotlight for one weekend. I think it helped get obscure map packs like Kappak and SHARP into more servers, but that could just be tooting my own horn here.
Quote from: "Jenova, on the BE topic"Why make BE? Some players cannot host servers from their home, and BE lets them create a unique customized dedicated server instantly, free of charge.
Classes duel isn't exactly balanced, but it provides variety. It's "casual-competitive".
Classes duel isn't exactly balanced, but it provides variety. It's "casual-competitive".
Anyways, Classes doesn't lighten up duel, if anything, it makes duel more competitive.
Allow me to be a prick and play Gravityman, screwing over your duel record and not being competitive about it
not being competitive
counters don't at all make a game more competitive
Classes doesn't lighten up duel, if anything, it makes duel more competitive.
There's this new thing called sarcasm, that must be why you're getting "mixed signals".
You can't read sarcasm. That's something you learn in Third grade, so sorry if I haven't learned quite that far yet.
I never said you personally were a second grader. I said that making compound sentences was a second grade skill.
You smell like garbage.
Don't worry, I didn't say you were garbage, so it's all ok!
I'm not ignoring your argument but rather making it invalid.
You didn't.
You're not even providing evidence besides saying "This is Casual Competitive because it's classes".
Did I even need to prove this in the first place??? I suggested that Classes Duel was a casual take on competitive gameplay to Stonefunk, which, I may add, he agreed with, and then you totally flipped your shit about it.
I'm not going to use an example here because you're not supposed to get into those arguments on the internet
Yeah, better rescue your image while you can. But really, if people don't argue, nothing gets done, and the world comes to a standstill. Put on your fourth-grader pants and have a mature discussion.
subliminal messaging at its greatest
It's almost like you wanted to have some sort of rhetorical meaning here, but I can't really find it. Let me put on my sarcasm-reading glasses.
Now until you present solid evidence on anything at all
Oooh, now I'm scared. He wants evidence on something subjective.
stop making it seem like you own the best ever servers and acknowledge that non "metagame" mods can and will be hosted on bestever, I have no further comments.
Again, you're going after something that has no base in reality. If you honestly think I'm conspiring to take a monopoly on Best-Ever, I think you should just leave and think about life for a few hours.
Thank you and have a nice day.
So does that mean you're giving up?
Because when OJ suggested hosting possibilities when conserving BE use to 15 servers, he did acknowledge and accomodate for those sort of 'non metagame' mods.
If you want these "lesser used map packs" or "niche game modes" to get feedback and improve, Host them with your own bandwidth. Best-Ever is not your sandbox.
it is silly to suggest that OJ is acting like he owns the Best-Ever servers.
It's not beyond the realm of possibility that we could find ourselves with our hosting rights revoked if we keep going the way we are.
Hosting things like BME and underplayed 1 flag is like kicking out dozens of school kids from the park so you and your three friends can play checkers in the middle of the soccer field.
Best-Ever is not your sandbox.
And what is Rozark referring to by 'non metagame' mods?
Ok there is a TLMS but lol, it's only NEEDLEMAN MAP and we can't CALL VOTE. WTTroll ?
And TLMS is 1-3 life, now, it's like TDM with buckshot.....must be a time limit with 100 lifes .....
Anyways...
EDIT: Now maps are ok but cheats can be used........ xD
EDIT: Tsuki told me, Class v6F are made for TDM, right? Woohoo told me: a lot of class are op" and we are on the duel server....
Tsuki told me, Classe are made specially for TDM and DM.
So, maybe i didnt understand well....It can be good to have a general TDM server for class? (with pack map)
But do you think, guys, class are made for TLMS or TDM? It depends yes, but the best to do ?
SO I had this idea. Feel free to murder me if this is terrible.Did you grab all the custom skins for the bots? :ugeek: i also have a bot made for my custom user skin (http://www.cutstuff.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=4712) btw :geek:
I've been putting together a massive WAD compiling every custom bot I've come across, for my own personal use while playtesting things and just generally seeing what I can break. Included are the Online/Offline Skirmish player bots, TF2 bots, Stardroids, and a handful of chatsshamelessly stolenborrowed from the old bot chat thread, plus a few of my own.
I've also seen that Bot Apocalypse seems to be making a mini-comeback.
You can probably guess where this is going.
I can release that massive Frankenstein of a bot file (so long as the chat writers don't have an issue with it) and we can throw 'em together. I think it might be entertaining, at least.
... "Entertainment" being a few people fighting an army of Daleks. Or Steven Colbert (http://www.cutstuff.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=2193) clones.
EDIT: Uh. WELL. I completely missed the dates on this thread. My apologies.