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Title: READ: The Unofficial Ten Commandments of Cutstuff Posting
Post by: HD_ on January 21, 2013, 11:30:03 PM
Ugh, despite Myroc's really good tutorial that everyone should go read (http://cutstuff.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=5111), people are still posting horribly. Therefore, listen to these commandments, my child, and thou shalt find thyself enlightened.

I. Thou shalt not necrobump topics.

This is one of the pet peeves of many Cutstuff users. If a topic has not been posted in for more than a month and you are not the topic creator, please please please don't post in it. Exceptions can and should be made for mods that are still being worked on if you have something important to say (ex. a bug) about it.

II. Thou shalt not post only "lol" or "QFT".

This is another pet peeve that happens way too often. If the meat of your post is "lol" or "QFT", you're doing it wrong. These two phrases contribute absolutely nothing to the conversation; if you actually laugh, keep it to yourself instead of posting "lol". Although QFT is used in a much more serious context, there's no need for you to post if all you're doing is restating someone else's point. At least try to restate it in a different way.

III. Thou shalt not post random bullshit.

We don't care about what you had for breakfast today. We don't care about that dog you taught 5 new tricks. We don't care that you got a C on your math test yesterday. I know this seems like what the Spamthread should be for, but you don't need to post every goddamn aspect of your life in it.

IV. Thou shalt not become emotional and rage at thy opponent in an argument.

We are Cutstuff. We tend to argue about things. We tend to do that a lot. Keep your arguments logical, and don't use petty insults in a meager attempt to discredit the person you're arguing against. And, under no circumstances should you create a post dedicated to raging about the fact that you lost an argument! You have to be the better man here; admit that you lost the argument, and move on. If you rage at everyone that disagrees with you, people will start ignoring you.

V. Thou shalt not make more than one post in a row.

This is another pet peeve of many Cutstuff users, although I personally don't mind this one. Please don't post in a topic where the last post was yours, unless it is to bump it for a relevant and important reason. We've had lots of problems recently with certain users and double posting, so don't be that guy who double posts!

VI. Thou shalt not self-censor.

If you're going to post a fucking curse, post the whole fucking word. I can't stress this enough. You've already put the curse word in your post, what's the point of censoring it? Anyone with an IQ greater than 5 can realize what you're saying. Besides, "f***" just doesn't have the same effect as "fuck".

VII. Thou shalt not overuse emotes.

Ugh, this is a real problem among newer posters, and frankly, I don't get why. Try to keep your emote usage to a maximum of one per 5-10 posts. It's just annoying to see  :mrgreen: spammed everywhere in a post and it doesn't have any sort of practical use.

VIII. Thou shalt use correct spelling, grammar, and punctuation.

I can't stress this enough; it is so much more likely that people will take you seriously if you use correct spelling, grammar, and punctuation. Now, if English isn't your first language, I can understand this a little; if you've grown up with the English language, you should be posting with correct grammar. There is no rush in writing a post, take your time! This is definitely the biggest problem among Cutstuff posts in general!

IX. Thou shalt avoid using size tags as often as possible.

This is a personal pet peeve and not one that's particularly relevant to Cutstuff, but please try to avoid using size tags. They're just plain annoying. Mini text is forcing the reader to take extra effort to read some part of your post, which is really annoying, while large text is just flat-out annoying and makes it look like you want attention. If you need to emphasize something, bold, italics, and underline tags work just fine.

X. Thou shalt avoid moving the thread in a direction it was not originally intended to go.

I don't care if you don't like the thread creator. I don't care if you don't like the thread itself. I don't care if there's someone else in the topic you don't like and you feel the need to argue with them. Use the thread for its intended purpose, not to settle personal grudges.

If you have anything to add, post in the topic! Thanks!
Title: there's something in the air, woohoo
Post by: Red on January 21, 2013, 11:39:41 PM
to  be honest, the problem with myroc's thread is that it was buried in the tutorial subforum

if you want people to actually read these things, you should sticky this thread or myroc's.
Title: Re: READ THIS: The Ten Commandments of Cutstuff Posting
Post by: Hilman170499 on January 22, 2013, 12:29:07 AM
About Tip 6 : What if the poster is a kind of person that does not curse?
Title: Re: READ THIS: The Ten Commandments of Cutstuff Posting
Post by: SmashTheEchidna on January 22, 2013, 12:30:38 AM
Then they shouldn't even have to censor in the first place. Duh. =P
Title: Re: READ THIS: The Ten Commandments of Cutstuff Posting
Post by: Korby on January 22, 2013, 01:55:29 AM
You forgot "Thou shalt not backseat moderate"

except that's exactly what this topic is
Title: Length =/= significance.
Post by: Tesseractal on January 22, 2013, 03:14:50 AM
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I. Thou shalt not necrobump topics.
Discussions on this forum (outside of Forum Games) are not purged. If the admins wanted to prevent posts to old topics, it would be easy: lock or purge them. They do not, because threads always warrant discussion regardless of age. If someone needs a question answered but can't find it in a current thread, it is appropriate for him to respond. His only other option is making a new thread, which would be redundant and a form of clutter. Irrelevant posts (spam) is already discouraged as it is.
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II. Thou shalt not post "lol" or "QFT".
lol

Banning two words isn't going to stop people from making short, vapid posts. If you want people to make posts longer than one word, tell them to use multiple words. (Which is already stated in the rules.) Banning "lol" will just make everyone overly serious, and incapable of laughter.  :(
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III. Thou shalt not post random bullshit.
None of the things you listed are 'random' since they all occur on a typical basis. What you're referring to is "conversations about the user's day", which, is exactly what the OP's thread asks for:
Quote from: "Nekolord"
just for talking about your day, Plans, or something different.
Given that the thread has existed in such fashion without intervention from moderators, there is no harm in posting "slice of life" information. Refraining from posting such information would be off-topic.
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IV. Thou shalt not become emotional and rage at thy opponent in an argument.
Logic can only be used against the similarly logical, which CutStuff cannot always claim to be. Logic cannot characterize, either: only machines speak purely in it. Given that rage is one way I make character assessments, I would prefer to continue seeing "rage" on the forums. Rage is fine; immaturity is not.
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V. Thou shalt not make more than one post in a row.
Similar to the necropost complaint to the point of redundancy. Spam is already discouraged in the official rules. And as usual, if something needs to be said, it should be said.
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VI. Thou shalt not self-censor.
Self-censoring serves an aesthetic purpose of making a post look "cleaner". If people didn't know what the censored word being said was, the censorship would be pointless. Instead, they can see the word indirectly. This allows the poster to use the word he desires but by cutting down a degree of crudeness. (Only negligible, since cursing is crude in general. But there's no reason to advocate uncensored posts, unless you're referring to pornographic or hentai images, which definitely should remain uncensored.)
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VII. Thou shalt not overuse emotes.
It's a method of characterization, since it's impossible to display actual emotion in forum text. It's similar to ornamentation in music: The meaning is changed only slightly. And, as with other methods of posts, it should be always applied whenever appropriate. If my emotion were to suddenly shift every line break, an extra emoticon would be the only way to communicate that.  :geek:
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VIII. Thou shalt use correct spelling, grammar, and punctuation.
the purpose of this forum is for communication, right?
the method of typing is one such way of showing that.
if the person typing is able to communicate effectively, i think
his point can get across.
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X. Thou shalt avoid using size tags as often as possible.
I frequently employ size tags to shrink quotes, as I have above. Usually it's more effective with larger quotes. This allows me to refer an above post (which has already been read) but save space simultaneously. Like emoticons, size can also be used in text as a form of characterization.
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X. Thou shalt avoid moving the thread in a direction it was not originally intended to go.
This is an inevitable subject of human conversation. Regardless, it seems your issue is more with "people disliking thread creators" and not actual off-topic discussion in threads. Which is already discouraged in the official rules.
Quote from: "HD_"
Ugh, despite Myroc's really good tutorial that everyone should go read (http://cutstuff.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=5111), people are still posting horribly. Therefore, listen to these commandments, my child, and thou shalt find thyself enlightened.
"Enlightened" usually refers to a broader understanding. Since you are insisting on constricting the manner of users' posting, I would refer to listeners of this set of commandments as "decadent".

No one of significance cares about your personal peeves. Your entire thread is as pointless as the posts it describes.
Title: Re: READ THIS: The Ten Commandments of Cutstuff Posting
Post by: Galactan on January 22, 2013, 03:36:41 AM
I actually do care about this, as I share many of these dislikes.  This is a fine list you have set up, HD.  Except for number 3.
Now if people would actually follow it, we'd be a much better place.
Title: Re: READ THIS: The Ten Commandments of Cutstuff Posting
Post by: HD_ on January 22, 2013, 03:45:35 AM
Quote from: "Korby"
You forgot "Thou shalt not backseat moderate"

except that's exactly what this topic is

Not really, because most of these aren't in the rules to begin with.

It's more of an unofficial general posting guidelines thingy.

I'd love to respond to Roc's post but phones are evil things, so later tomorrow.
Title: Re: READ THIS: The Ten Commandments of Cutstuff Posting
Post by: Ivory on January 22, 2013, 06:47:24 AM
1. Thread title is READ THIS: which makes it sound official.
2. You are telling someone* what to do with these 'rules', which is backseat moderating.
*i.e. the entire population of Cutstuff

So yes, you are, in fact, Backseat Moderating.
Title: Re: READ: The Unofficial Ten Commandments of Cutstuff Postin
Post by: HD_ on January 22, 2013, 11:10:36 AM
Well now it says unofficial, so it is now officially unofficial.
Title: Re: READ THIS: The Ten Commandments of Cutstuff Posting
Post by: Jman on January 24, 2013, 12:37:58 AM
Quote from: "Korby"
You forgot "Thou shalt not backseat moderate"

except that's exactly what this topic is

(click to show/hide)

As much as I agree with most of the statements in the first post, what korby said is so true.
Besides, I think someone has made a (rather angry) thread like this already
Title: Re: READ: The Unofficial Ten Commandments of Cutstuff Postin
Post by: GameAndWatcher on January 24, 2013, 01:01:20 AM
The thing is, that Ivory made an admittedly not-so-smart decision by hiding it in the tutorial thread. I honestly think xe should of kept it in here.
Title: Re: READ: The Unofficial Ten Commandments of Cutstuff Postin
Post by: Ivory on January 24, 2013, 01:21:42 AM
I think the real problem here is that the tutorial section isn't well known enough. Or is it? I dunno.
Title: Re: READ: The Unofficial Ten Commandments of Cutstuff Postin
Post by: HD_ on January 24, 2013, 01:22:23 AM
The Tutorial forum should be more apparent

Right now it's hidden in Help and Editing which people don't really search through the topics of that often
Title: Re: READ: The Unofficial Ten Commandments of Cutstuff Postin
Post by: Ivory on January 24, 2013, 01:26:33 AM
Point taken. I'm going to try some SCIENCE and keep have existing under the MM8BDM section instead.
Title: Re: READ: The Unofficial Ten Commandments of Cutstuff Postin
Post by: Mr. Sean Nelson on January 24, 2013, 02:26:55 AM
U Mad, bro?

lol.  :cool:  :mrgreen:  :p
Title: Re: READ: The Unofficial Ten Commandments of Cutstuff Postin
Post by: LlamaHombre on January 24, 2013, 02:32:35 AM
Because that's allowed on the forums, even as a joke!

Quote from: "Rules"
KEEP IT SANE - Unlike most forums I have little to no tolerance for retarded posts. What I mean by this is simply replying to a thread with pointless (i.e I lol'd) will result in a warn, ESPECIALLY if you just post a single picture. This isn't 4chan. Have a reason before you post, other than to humour others with stupid comments.
Title: Re: READ: The Unofficial Ten Commandments of Cutstuff Postin
Post by: Mr. Sean Nelson on January 24, 2013, 02:36:25 AM
Never mind. Not bothering.
Title: Re: READ THIS: The Ten Commandments of Cutstuff Posting
Post by: Myroc on January 24, 2013, 12:31:29 PM
Quote from: "Jman"
As much as I agree with most of the statements in the first post, what korby said is so true.
Besides, I think someone has made a (rather angry) thread like this already
For everyone else who thinks this is just reiterating what I said, I am completely fine with this thread being made. Hell, HD even asked about opinions on the commandments before posting. Looking through it again, I'd probably make some slight changes here and there (most of them being appending the phrase "unless you have a good reason"), but otherwise I condone this thread.
Title: Re: READ: The Unofficial Ten Commandments of Cutstuff Postin
Post by: Colonel ServBot on January 24, 2013, 06:22:14 PM
Okay, here's a question of mine...
Why do people not like necrobumping topics?
And why don't they like double posting?
Isn't it sure a lot better to necrobump a thread than making another thread?
So lets just have a million Megaman battle network threads or something.
And wouldn't it just make sence to delete all the posts on the last five pages of the 'anything goes', Megaman discussion, and etc.?
And Yeah, I understand in certain circumstances, double posting isn't a good thing.
But I double post in the CutStuff zombies to show bumps and or updates.
That, or I double posted in the dashing assassin game so I wouldn't die for a third time.
Now. That octopus post was quite ridiculous. That's what the edit post button is for.


I'm sorry if I've upset any of you in any way, shape, or form.
I just don't understand the physics of negativity towards necrobumps.
Title: Re: READ: The Unofficial Ten Commandments of Cutstuff Postin
Post by: Sora on January 24, 2013, 06:49:42 PM
Quote from: "colonel servbot"
Okay, here's a question of mine...
Why do people not like necrobumping topics?
Isn't it sure a lot better to necrobump a thread than making another thread?
I just don't understand the physics of negativity towards necrobumps.

Necrobumps are only looked down upon if a topic is better left dead (topics with no point, topics that won't contribute to anything if revived, etc.).  People should generally have a mighty good reason for bumping a topic that hasn't been posted in for a long time.

Quote from: "colonel servbot"
And why don't they like double posting?
And Yeah, I understand in certain circumstances, double posting isn't a good thing.
But I double post in the CutStuff zombies to show bumps and or updates.
That, or I double posted in the dashing assassin game so I wouldn't die for a third time.
Now. That octopus post was quite ridiculous. That's what the edit post button is for.

Double posting is generally frowned upon due to the fact it's just as easy to hit the edit button, and it makes the topics look 100% more organized and easier to read.  I'm sure I'm not the only one who doesn't like reading 2-3 posts in a row all made by one person rather than one comprehensive post that gets everything across.

And while double posting to bump your own thread is alright if you have some meaningful progress, doing it too many times makes it lose its impact and interest for other people watching your topic.

tl;dr, just have a good reason anytime you post something and try to get everything across you want to in one, concise post.
Title: Re: READ: The Unofficial Ten Commandments of Cutstuff Postin
Post by: squidgy617 on January 26, 2013, 07:32:00 AM
Quote from: "colonel servbot"
Okay, here's a question of mine...
Why do people not like necrobumping topics?
And why don't they like double posting?
Isn't it sure a lot better to necrobump a thread than making another thread?
So lets just have a million Megaman battle network threads or something.
And wouldn't it just make sence to delete all the posts on the last five pages of the 'anything goes', Megaman discussion, and etc.?
And Yeah, I understand in certain circumstances, double posting isn't a good thing.
But I double post in the CutStuff zombies to show bumps and or updates.
That, or I double posted in the dashing assassin game so I wouldn't die for a third time.
Now. That octopus post was quite ridiculous. That's what the edit post button is for.


I'm sorry if I've upset any of you in any way, shape, or form.
I just don't understand the physics of negativity towards necrobumps.

First off, let me just say that within a short amount of time you seem to have improved your posting A LOT. Just thought I'd throw that out there.

Additionally, let me say that double-posting is just something you shouldn't abuse. For instance, I once had a massive quadruple post or something going in my Skins topic. The reason? When I release a new skin, I want people to know its out there, so I make a new post so that people lurking can see the update and grab it ASAP. However, these skins weren't released all at once, they were released a good deal of time apart, so its not like I was spamposting. Using it for an occasional update is probably fine.

The main problem with double-posting is when it turns into spamposting, i.e. posting a whole bunch of random stuff in a row that is unnecessary. Its when people do something like this:

First post: hey guys where do you get the download link for that skin?
Second post (2 minutes later): can someone help me?
Third post (5 minutes later): nevermind i found it

These could much more easily be edited into the user's first post.

So yeah.