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Cutstuff => Cutstuff Discussion and Feedback => Topic started by: tsukiyomaru0 on January 29, 2013, 10:08:28 PM
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Okay, seems that lately necrombumpers have become too active. So, it's about time we either lock and archive old threads or severely punish necroposters, but of course openning exceptions in case of projects if the necroposter is directly involved with the project. So, what is your say in this, people?
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i say we delete the last five pages of each of the forums.
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i say we delete the last five pages of each of the forums.
Oh please no. I don't want entire threads with potential historical significance to be lost forever. :(
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Either that or archive them
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A sweep of old topics isn't as necessary as a sweep of unused accounts because loss of information is no good.
"archiving" wouldn't really fix anything either.
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Archiving would be either locking and moving or just moving to a place where people can read but can't post. Not sure if it is possible to do the later, and I'm not sure if it is possible to bulk move that all.
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A subforum section were members don't have the proper permissions to post but do to see. Cause I know that is possible.
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I've checked around a bit before, not everywhere, but where i did look that actually had some traffic, i had reasonable amount of trouble finding any necrobumped and locked topic on the front page. So its hard to say but it looks like everything is just fine regarding that.
If it does turn out to be an issue, i dont know if the forum software can support such, but perhaps an autolock after 1-3 months of no reply? Perhaps even an auto-removal of topics 4-6 months old once they're auto-locked? (Obviously doesnt apply to stickies or anything of similar importance, untill they get unstickied.)
Or other time settings depending on the appropiate amount of traffic and how easily things get clogged up.
An archive might be a little messy, and in some people's eyes a tad redundant and useless to have around. If its that important for people they should be making a personal copy of it anyway, instead of requesting an archive for stuff not everyone may find usefull to store.
And if the above idea has no good software for it, perhaps the moderators could always do atleast still remove the very, very old topics every now and then.
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Oh please no. I don't want entire threads with potential historical significance to be lost forever. :(
I agree.
However, what we might be able to do is delete most of the more useless topics (that alot of the times the newcomers would make) to free up quite a bit of space.
Though most of the times the mods lock those topics, I don't think activating any kind of auto-topic-removal/locking system would be such a good idea.
But I do think manually deleting the most useless old topics would be a good idea.
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I swore I read this as "I think we need a swamp" so I voted yes.
But anyway, I have 3-5 "noob" topics that I made that I would like deleted. That'll clear up some space :I
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I don't know who started this, but the OP's attitude in general is starting to irritate me, as I find it inherently flawed.
Necroposts are not bad.
Bad posts are bad. Bad posts, as in, irrelevant, off-topic, or unnecessary are bad. If a person revives an old topic to make a bad post, it might "magnify" that post since now everyone forces themselves to look at it (in order to justify that attitude). So you punish that person accordingly: For posting useless shit. You don't go and restrict everyone's ability to bring up old threads if needed. (Unless you're an authoritarian dictator. "Punish all for the actions of one" is a great method of repression.) Try something progressive instead: Suggest that mods lock topics if the OP's conditions have been met. (For example, if the OP asks how to do something and is answered, the thread is locked.) This would cause future topics to be free of unnecessary necroposts!
I'm really more annoyed of the surge of people whining about impersonators and VKers. It's kind of redundant.
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A sweep of old topics isn't as necessary as a sweep of unused accounts because loss of information is no good.
"archiving" wouldn't really fix anything either.
But then how would I be able to log on a post every once in a blue moon if accounts got sweeped...? U_U
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I'm really more annoyed of the surge of people whining about impersonators and VKers. It's kind of redundant.
What does this even have to do with necroposting?
Considering impersonation is a legitimately bannable offense on the master server, why shouldn't people make an attempt to gather information and get them rightfully banned?
Why should votekick abuse be tolerated?
(I do agree with most of your necroposting view though; it isn't actually bad on its own)
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I do agree with the fact that making threads about being kicked from a server is unnecessary (With the exception of some things such as that whole "No Kill" thing), but impersonators in the case of people like Unix is completely legitimate. Also like HD said, it has nothing to do with necrobumping.
You also said
Necroposts are not bad.
Yes, necroposts are not bad in your opinion. And your opinion is not always the right one. I'm sure most of the people here would beg to differ with your logic to some extent. I'm not saying my opinion is right either, but at least take that into consideration before "Large font you're wrong and I'm right" usage.
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I don't know who started this, but the OP's attitude in general is starting to irritate me, as I find it inherently flawed.
Necroposts are not bad.
Bad posts are bad. Bad posts, as in, irrelevant, off-topic, or unnecessary are bad. If a person revives an old topic to make a bad post, it might "magnify" that post since now everyone forces themselves to look at it (in order to justify that attitude). So you punish that person accordingly: For posting useless shit. You don't go and restrict everyone's ability to bring up old threads if needed. (Unless you're an authoritarian dictator. "Punish all for the actions of one" is a great method of repression.) Try something progressive instead: Suggest that mods lock topics if the OP's conditions have been met. (For example, if the OP asks how to do something and is answered, the thread is locked.) This would cause future topics to be free of unnecessary necroposts!
I'm really more annoyed of the surge of people whining about impersonators and VKers. It's kind of redundant.
Necroposts ARE bad
Usually, it is someone who didn't bother reading the last post date and just thought "Maybe I should bump it up!", and there! Bumped a thread whose OP either does not want to update or the OP isn't even here anymore! And this is a terrible thing. Not only brings up OLD topics, but most of the case are USELESS or ABANDONED topics.
Of course, I am AGAINST the removal of threads, but lockdown to PREVENT necroposting or SEVERE PUNISHMENT for necroposters would be more effective in "special cases".
However, of course, the OP reserves the right to bump his old thread, as well as trusty people of his (let's say: Yellow Devil and DarkAura are working on a map, but Yellow Devil started the thread. Considering the two are working together, DarkAura can STILL bump it into Yellow Devil's place).
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Necroposts are fine as long as the poster has a good reason for bringing the topic back up. You never know when a topic will once again become relevant in the future.
If the poster bumps the topic without a good reason, then yeah that's bad. That basically falls under "spam", as it is a pointless post.
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Necroposts are fine for the reason Kapus stated: they can serve a purpose. Don't muddle the truth with your misguided assertions. It doesn't matter if there's an infinite amount of people or thread starters who have arrived at the same faulty conclusion; it's still wrong.
I made the comparison the VK threads to point out the connection you haven't made: Redundant posts are inherently bad on their own (not necroposts). if you're okay with a dozen guys running around making the same complaint (that they can easily solve on their own) but raise arms at the sight of "necroposts", you're missing a point, encouraging a sense of self-entitlement, and being inconsistent in how you judge posts. If you just lock all of the threads without addressing the actual issue, those necroposts will just move into active threads, now no longer necroposts but equally useless. What's the point? Punish the users for breaking the rules, instead of shifting the blame to the fact that there's too many old threads running around.
However, of course, the OP reserves the right to bump his old thread, as well as trusty people of his (let's say: Yellow Devil and DarkAura are working on a map, but Yellow Devil started the thread. Considering the two are working together, DarkAura can STILL bump it into Yellow Devil's place).
Don't propose a rule based on an exception. It's arbitrary. How are you going define "trusty people" with any degree of certainty or consistency? Is Yellow Devil a trusty person to begin with? He's just as capable of making a pointless post in his own thread as anyone else. You leave the option of posting open, even if misuse has potential of occurring (as it does), and then punish violators accordingly. That's how you treat a community you expect to behave reasonably the majority of the time.
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I agree with Tesseractal and Kapus.
I really don't see why the rest of you guys hates all "necro posts" so much.
I believe it is ok to bump older topics as long as the bumper gives out some somewhat useful info and/or has a good reason to.
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Damn i shouldn't hve bumped that expansion for no reason, however i think that those topics that haven't had a post for 2 years (most of those projects) should be locked
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The irony of necro-bumping a topic about dealing with necro-bumpers.
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I thought it only counted as a bump if it was a month old