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Title: [Suggestion] Show some love to lifeless stages!
Post by: Max on July 13, 2013, 03:01:22 PM

This is just my opinion, but a few of the maps in the core feel a bit lifeless due to lack of props, animated textures, or other things. I suggest going back through the core maps and adding some enemy props or detailed backgrounds to really make them look pretty!

Alphabetical order because core

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MM8AQU - Aqua Man
Although Aqua Man does have some pretty waterfalls (some of them even underwater?) it has a lot of flat wall textures and somewhat boring visuals. Most of this stems from the outside being mainly composed of rock textures, and the inside being mainly composed of green rocks with the blue Xs.
Possible Suggestions
Add animated Shelln (http://megaman.wikia.com/wiki/Shelln) or Ammoner (http://megaman.wikia.com/wiki/Ammoner) to cliffs or the inside areas to give something pretty to look at.
Use different wall textures for the inside, there were a lot of blue textures I spotted at the start of the stage that went unused in MM8BDM.
This isn't even a visual thing, but it'd be nice if you could swim in Aqua Man.

Quote from: "geno"

And an idea for Aqua Man stage: You know that area where there's a waterfall visible that looks just like the one you fight Gorone (http://megaman.wikia.com/wiki/Gorone) on in MM8? I think that Gorone (http://megaman.wikia.com/wiki/Gorone) should be there, because otherwise, it's just a pointless inaccessible stage area.

MM1BOM - Bomb Man
Nothing seems to move in Bomb Man's stage at all, it's all grey with some sky. The bomb towers do look quite nice, but that's more of a skybox extra than part of the stage.
Possible Suggestions
Add Bombomb (http://megaman.wikia.com/wiki/Bombomb)s, Flying Shell (http://megaman.wikia.com/wiki/Flying_Shell)s or Killer Bullet (http://megaman.wikia.com/wiki/Killer_Bullet)s to the outside of the stage so that the whole thing feels more lively.
Nothing else I can suggest, Mega Man 1 didn't have a great texture selection.

MM2BUB - Bubble Man

Quote from: "geno"

For Bubble Man stage: Outside the area, there should be some enemies like some M-445 (http://megaman.wikia.com/wiki/CWU-01P#M-445)s, or Anko (http://megaman.wikia.com/wiki/Anko)s that could swim around and occasionally spit out Shrink (http://megaman.wikia.com/wiki/Shrink)s.

MM8CLO - Clown Man

Quote from: "geno"

And for Clown Man stage: Those Robots that carry hammers and whack the bell. Their "Sound activated platforms" are there, you can hear them, but they aren't visible for some reason.

MM5DAR - Dark Man Castle
The stage is undeniably epic and the textures are used to great effect, but I felt that the castle was empty and well, uninhabited.
Possible Suggestions
Add recoloured Sumatran (http://megaman.wikia.com/wiki/Sumatran) to guard the outer walls.
Add Rembakun (http://megaman.wikia.com/wiki/Rembakun) and/or Tondeall (http://megaman.wikia.com/wiki/Tondeall) to patrol the skies.
Perhaps some Metal Cannon (http://megaman.wikia.com/wiki/Metall_Cannon#Metall_Cannon)s to make the fortress look guarded?
Add some MUSCLE (http://megaman.wikia.com/wiki/Power_Muscler)!!
Rename the stage "Proto Man's Castle" ;)

MM4DRI - Drill Man
This one isn't a huge problem because the stage is so tiny, but nothing really moves in it except for all the player-made EXPLOSION!
Possible Suggestions
Add the falling rocks (http://megaman.wikia.com/wiki/Boulder) to the outside of the stage similar to Crystal Man's crystals.
Add some Battonton (http://megaman.wikia.com/wiki/Batton#Battonton)s, like in Wood or Shade.

MM6FLA - Flame Man
Apart from the oil, nothing in this stage is particularly noteworthy.
Possible Suggestions
Add Fire Tellies (http://megaman.wikia.com/wiki/Telly#Fire_Telly) to the outside of the windows, like Heat Man and Ivory's Knee Deep in Oil
No room for anything else

MM8FRO - Frost Man
This stage gives me the creeps, as if it's part of a city that's been completely frozen over. Nothing moves!
Possible Suggestions
Add Big Tellies (http://megaman.wikia.com/wiki/Telly#Big_Telly) to the outside of the stage.
Put some Rabbiton (http://megaman.wikia.com/wiki/Rabbiton)s in the jet sections like the Gockroaches in Junk Man, but don't let them get in the way!
Make it snow!

MM3HAR - Hard Man
Another small stage like Flame Man, this one has nice textures but it's incredibly static.
Possible Suggestions
Add Hammer Joe (http://megaman.wikia.com/wiki/Sniper_Joe#Hammer_Joe)s to the ledges similar to the Picket Men in Guts Man.
ADD THE BEES (http://megaman.wikia.com/wiki/Have_%22Su%22_Bee)!

MM6KNI - Knight Man
For the 'Capital of Science' this castle sure is deserted! Similar to Dark Man, I'd suggest adding some minions to give the stage a lived in feel.
Possible Suggestions
Add the Brown Barrels (http://megaman.wikia.com/wiki/Brown) to sections of the stage, perhaps the robots could pop out if shot?
Put some Brain Break (http://megaman.wikia.com/wiki/Brain_Break)s on the outside walls, the place is a Capital of Science after all!
Add the spiked ceiling as an extra, although it shouldn't be a trap!

MM3MAG - Magnet Man
Possible Suggestions
Do an Ivory and use Mag Flies (http://megaman.wikia.com/wiki/Mag_Fly)!

MM2MET - Metal Man

Quote from: "Beed28"

Metal Man should have the Presses (http://megaman.wikia.com/wiki/Press#Press) and Blocky (http://megaman.wikia.com/wiki/Blocky) in a background area.

MM6MRX - Mr. X Fortress
Another castle with no inhabitants!
Possible Suggestions
Cannopeller (http://megaman.wikia.com/wiki/Cannopeller)s and Hotchkiss'n (http://megaman.wikia.com/wiki/Hotchkiss%27n)s outside!
Leave the X Crusher (http://megaman.wikia.com/wiki/X_Crusher#X_Crusher) hanging from the ceiling somewhere?

MM4RIN - Ring Man
Space sure is quiet...
Possible Suggestions
Add the Kabatoncue (http://megaman.wikia.com/wiki/Kabatoncue) (Hippo Platter) and Ring Ring (http://megaman.wikia.com/wiki/Ring_Ring)s to the outside of the stage!

MM8SEA - Search Man
This jungle doesn't seem as lively as say, Plant Man...
Possible Suggestions
Add varieties of Gori-Three (http://megaman.wikia.com/wiki/Gori-Three) to the borders of the stage.
Replace the pits by the E-Tank with the electrified thorns (http://megaman.wikia.com/wiki/Thorn_Vine).

MM5STA - Star Man
The only moving prop on this space station isn't even from the Mega Man series!
Possible Suggestions
Asteroid Showers! (http://megaman.wikia.com/wiki/Asteroid) (and I don't mean Astro Crush!)
B Bitter (http://megaman.wikia.com/wiki/B_Bitter)s to make the station look defended.

MM7DW1 - Skull Fortress 1
The Cyorowns are a nice feature, but they weren't even in the original!
Possible Suggestions
Replace the crows with Frisk Cannon (http://megaman.wikia.com/wiki/Frisk_Cannon)s.
Add more to the Metal Blade area so that it isn't pure black. Perhaps the large generator from MM7DW2, and you could see between stages from there? Similar to Duo. Possibly. Just a suggestion.

That's all. I would suggest enemies for the two MM8 Dr. Wily stages, but I don't know that game very well.

YD! This is too much work!
No it isn't... We have tonnes of capable spriters (and a few that can do 800x the work that everyone else does), so we could cover it if we wanted to!

YD! This is pointless!
Well that's just totally like, your opinion man.

YD! You forgot things!
Post and tell me about them!

Title: Re: [Suggestion] Show some love to lifeless stages!
Post by: Geno on July 13, 2013, 03:31:50 PM

I love this idea.

And an idea for Aqua Man stage: You know that area where there's a waterfall visible that looks just like the one you fight Gorone on in MM8? I think that Gorone should be there, because otherwise, it's just a pointless inaccessible stage area.

Title: Re: [Suggestion] Show some love to lifeless stages!
Post by: Magnet Dood on July 13, 2013, 03:36:06 PM

MM5GYR could use a few Tondealls floating around.
MM5CHA could have Rembakuns flying alongside the train too.

I have a sheet for the latter that I can provide, though the helmet looks kind of weird.

Title: Re: [Suggestion] Show some love to lifeless stages!
Post by: Max on July 13, 2013, 03:38:44 PM

I didn't add either of those because Gyro is already animated with the big fan and the pillars and Charge is always moving due to being on a train, but still worth considering?

Title: Re: [Suggestion] Show some love to lifeless stages!
Post by: Geno on July 13, 2013, 03:57:53 PM

For Bubble Man stage: Outside the area, there should be some enemies like some M-445 (http://megaman.wikia.com/wiki/CWU-01P#M-445)s, or Anko (http://megaman.wikia.com/wiki/Anko)s that could swim around and occasionally spit out Shrink (http://megaman.wikia.com/wiki/Shrink)s.

And for Clown Man stage: Those Robots that carry hammers and whack the bell. Their "Sound activated platforms" are there, you can hear them, but they aren't visible for some reason.

Title: Re: [Suggestion] Show some love to lifeless stages!
Post by: Ivory on July 13, 2013, 04:03:02 PM

We didn't use them in clown man because the sound they make would of been annoying as hell after a while.

Title: Re: [Suggestion] Show some love to lifeless stages!
Post by: Geno on July 13, 2013, 04:10:05 PM

Uhh. The sound they make ALREADY EXISTS in the stage.

Title: Re: [Suggestion] Show some love to lifeless stages!
Post by: Ivory on July 13, 2013, 04:18:12 PM

Oh right, where was my head this morning. Also I forgot that that noise was the bell noise in 8 bit.

Title: Re: [Suggestion] Show some love to lifeless stages!
Post by: Beed28 on July 13, 2013, 04:22:23 PM

Metal Man should have the Presses (http://megaman.wikia.com/wiki/Press#Press) and Blocky (http://megaman.wikia.com/wiki/Blocky) in a background area.

Title: Re: [Suggestion] Show some love to lifeless stages!
Post by: Kapus on July 13, 2013, 10:18:49 PM

I didn't really use those blue wall textures anywhere in Aqua Man because they looked really ugly no matter where they went.

Title: Re: [Suggestion] Show some love to lifeless stages!
Post by: fortegigasgospel on July 14, 2013, 12:21:18 AM

I did kind of rip MM8 FC's Search Vines already, which could make it a bit easier. May want to add rotations though.
(http://i.imgur.com/wbPGO.png)
(Yes from my destroyable walls, but they don't have to be destroyable)

Title: Re: [Suggestion] Show some love to lifeless stages!
Post by: Megaman94 on January 03, 2014, 04:33:03 AM

Here are some of my suggestions..

MM6TOM could use a metool dispenser prop since it was in the stage twice

MM6BLI Does not have the count bombs that were used in the end of the stage. I am kind of upset they are only used in MM8GRE

Title: Re: [Suggestion] Show some love to lifeless stages!
Post by: Ivory on January 03, 2014, 04:36:24 AM

If you want to make suggestions, use the sticky map feedback thread. Better to keep it all in once place.