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Mega Man 8-bit Deathmatch => Projects & Creative => DECORATE and ACS Modifications => Topic started by: King Dumb on August 12, 2013, 05:56:51 PM

Title: Duel Modifications - UPDATE: Brutal Duel v1a!
Post by: King Dumb on August 12, 2013, 05:56:51 PM
This topic is where my Duel-related modifications will go. Currently there are two: Brutal Duel and Duel Item Patch.

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Brutal Duel

Current Version: BrutalDuel-v1a.pk3

Brutal Duel is a modification that alters how health acts in the game, intended to make the dueling experience more fun for more players. With Brutal Duel loaded, you'll notice quite a few changes when you pick up some health:

-Health pickups now restore health gradually rather than instantly. Health is recovered at around 8 health per second.
-Large Health capsules now only restore 30 health, rather than 40.
-If you are damaged while health is recovering, the recovery will stop.
-You cannot pick up additional health if your health is currently recovering from a previous pickup.

Additionally, a new HUD item at the bottom of the screen will keep track of the following:
-After you have healed 200 health in one life (not counting over-healing), the health you recover from pickups will be half of the original value (rounded up).
-After you have healed 400 health in one life (not counting over-healing), the health you recover will be 25% of the original value (rounded up).
-After you have healed 600 health in one life (not counting over-healing), you will be unable to pick up health.
-Death resets this health counter. Additionally, fragging the opponent will deduct 300 from this count (but never taking it below 0).

Also note that Plant Barrier is removed from the game when Brutal Duel is loaded.

Download: http://static.best-ever.org/wads/brutalduel-v1a.pk3 (http://static.best-ever.org/wads/brutalduel-v1a.pk3)

Brutal Duel - Classes Version

Current Version: v1b

Changelog:
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This is almost the same as the other version, except specifically tailored to classes. The differences from the other version:
-The thresholds for regeneration decrease have been changed from 200, 400, and 600 to 200, 250, and 300, respectively.
-Scoring a frag will remove 100 from your Heal Count, unless this count is at 300, in which case it will remove 50.
-Plant Man no longer regenerates passively, nor does he drop Plant Barrier.
-Pickups that normally healed 10 HP flat to Robot Masters now act like Small Health Pickups.
-Carry no longer traps people (at least I don't think so).
-Roll no longer has a healing item.

Download: http://static.best-ever.org/wads/brutal ... es-v1b.pk3 (http://static.best-ever.org/wads/brutalduel-classes-v1b.pk3)

Duel Item Patch

Current Version: DuelItemPatch-v4a-2.pk3

Changelog:
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All this does is remove items from Duel mode without making the game crash. You must load this file after every other file for it to work properly. Currently it removes the following actors (reasons given):

Eddie - Can provide weapons that break maps (ie, Leaf Shield on some maps), generally introduces too much luck.
Arrow Buster - Devolves gameplay to who can get it first.
Laser Buster - Devolves gameplay to who can get it first.
M-Tank - Devolves gameplay to who can get it first.
E-Tank - Devolves gameplay to who can get it first.
Party Ball - Introduces too much luck.
Beat Support - Devolves gameplay to who can get it first.
Time Stopper - Devolves gameplay to who can get it first, or is otherwise pointless and simply used to annoy.
Proto Upgrade - Devolves gameplay to who can get it first.
Super Adaptor - Devolves gameplay to who can get it first.
Treble Sentry - Devolves gameplay to who can get it first.
Exit Unit - Introduces too much luck.
Treble Boost - Devolves gameplay to who can get it first.

This pk3 was formerly known as 2manDMitemremoval, but seeing as its purpose has slightly changed, I've renamed it.

Download: http://www.best-ever.org/download?file= ... -v4a-4.pk3 (http://www.best-ever.org/download?file=duelitempatch-v4a-4.pk3)

I suppose if there is overwhelming outcry to add/remove something to the above list I'll do so.
Title: Re: Duel Item Patch
Post by: fortegigasgospel on August 12, 2013, 11:59:14 PM
You forgot to remove health pickups, because it devolves to a game of who can get it first and literally "oh no I took one hit from a metal blade, better go heal" and instead of skill its who can horde the most Health pickups before everybody waiting gets bored.

I'd rather take my chances with luck being implemented because a real skillful playing can adapt to the situation properly as apposed to a game that literally takes forever because half the match is them running around trying to find each other after healing any damage they took.

HP pickups in duels basically ends in the only way to win is to simply bum rush the other player and not let them get away to heal. Which isn't skill. Skill is using the terrain to your advantage and trying to actually use tactics to avoid getting hit while also trying to hit the other.
Title: Re: Duel Item Patch
Post by: Orange juice :l on August 13, 2013, 12:34:56 AM
Removing health pickups would totally slaughter Duel, and I don't see why nobody sees this. Would you rather have people sit in their corners firing dive missiles for 10 minutes at a time or would you rather have them constantly rushing each other? The fact that you can heal off that damage makes rushing feasible.

Now, if pickups gave you health over time that was removed upon taking damage, then we'd see some progress on the whole "fight on health" issue.
Title: Re: Duel Item Patch
Post by: Ivory on August 13, 2013, 12:39:17 AM
I would also mention that it would be like LMS without the random weapon selection.
Title: Re: Duel Item Patch
Post by: JoshAdams88 on August 13, 2013, 12:44:07 AM
Quote from: "fortegigasgospel"
You forgot to remove health pickups, because it devolves to a game of who can get it first and literally "oh no I took one hit from a metal blade, better go heal" and instead of skill its who can horde the most Health pickups before everybody waiting gets bored.

I'd rather take my chances with luck being implemented because a real skillful playing can adapt to the situation properly as apposed to a game that literally takes forever because half the match is them running around trying to find each other after healing any damage they took.

HP pickups in duels basically ends in the only way to win is to simply bum rush the other player and not let them get away to heal. Which isn't skill. Skill is using the terrain to your advantage and trying to actually use tactics to avoid getting hit while also trying to hit the other.
Play a game of Duel with someone around your skill level then tell us what you think of health pickups. It's easy to catch someone who's running for health if you're not stupid. If you can't burst someone down in time before they run for more health, you don't deserve to be on the winning end.
Title: Re: Duel Item Patch
Post by: CutmanMike on August 16, 2013, 12:59:42 AM
There'd be less hit and run on those tight maps, and some maps have certain spots where you can just chug health back to full. If you get low health you'd be more interested in doing as much damage to your opponent before you drop, rather than than fleeing for items. Seems no one is even willing to try it.
Title: Re: Duel Item Patch
Post by: Shade Guy on August 16, 2013, 07:07:24 AM
I'd be interested in a patch removing some health from duel...Like ?-Box mode, except you know, without the ?-boxes. The problem is that health placement in a map is generally intended for anywhere between 8-24 players, when there are only 2 players in duel; being able to heal is alright on its own.
Title: Re: Duel Item Patch
Post by: JoshAdams88 on August 16, 2013, 08:27:24 AM
I'd just like to see faster gameplay in general coughduel32cough
Title: Re: Duel Item Patch
Post by: CutmanMike on August 16, 2013, 02:45:09 PM
Try without the health then. More fighty time less cowardly running time.
Title: Re: Duel Item Patch
Post by: Knux on August 16, 2013, 04:37:08 PM
Quote from: "Shade Guy"
The problem is that health placement in a map is generally intended for anywhere between 8-24 players, when there are only 2 players in duel
I don't mean to take anything out of context, but this is a very interesting fact here. Am I the only one that thinks this could help warrant (but NOT completely assure) the creation of a Duel pack or, maybe better yet, Duel maps for the core? As much as I don't like Duel, I think it's an interesting idea. Even better if all the Duel folks who know their stuff got together for it.

...In fact, it could be necessary that these people gather, as their insight is key.
Title: Re: Duel Item Patch
Post by: Mendez on August 17, 2013, 12:30:00 AM
If I remember correctly, SSW was busy making a map pack for duel. It's unknown when he'll release it, but my best estimate is two weeks after I release AMP-MP 2. In other words, never.
As for this item patch, I would suggest blacklisting Laser Buster as well, since it's really easy to charge it up and do lethal damage. I'm sure OB and Jman can vouch for me on that, since we fought on MM3GEM with that weapon.
Title: Re: Duel Item Patch
Post by: King Dumb on August 17, 2013, 03:19:08 AM
Expect to see some experimentation here soon.

As for Laser Buster, personally I've never seen it dominating a Duel. Unless some more people can get behind blacklisting it, I don't have a good reason to add it to this. But again, I'm open to the possibility.
Title: Re: Duel Modifications - UPDATE: Brutal Duel v1a!
Post by: King Dumb on October 10, 2013, 12:18:57 AM
Bump for update! Brutal Duel! Changes to health mechanics!

Also, new version of DuelItemPatch that removes Laser Buster.

NINJA EDIT: New Classes-made version of Brutal Duel. See front page.
Title: Re: Duel Modifications - UPDATE: Brutal Duel v1a!
Post by: King Dumb on November 09, 2013, 06:36:09 PM
Double post to point out a new version of BrutalDuel-Classes is available on the front page. Changelog is also there.
Title: Re: Duel Modifications - UPDATE: Brutal Duel v1a!
Post by: King Dumb on May 17, 2014, 05:59:44 PM
BUMP for new Duel Item Removal.

This new version adds only one thing, Treble Boost removed. Feel free to host the earlier version if you think this is too hasty, but I am confident a Treble Boost-inclusive duel environment would be less diverse in gameplay.
Title: Re: Duel Modifications - UPDATE: Duel Item Patch v4a-2
Post by: King Dumb on July 30, 2014, 08:27:43 PM
UPDATE to Duel Item Patch. Changelog is on the first page. Notable changes. Mobility items that are removed have been replaced with lesser mobility items. This will allow you to reach areas rendered unreachable by the removals. Skull Barrier removed.

More notable, however, is the one weapon change I made, to Plant Barrier. Rather than remove Plant Barrier, I modified the weapon to cause players to receive x1.3 damage when the shield is up. This is to balance out the more effective healing. I would really love feedback for this change. I have refrained from making more similar weapon changes for duel balance for numerous reasons. Firstly, because the duel tournament is about to begin, and secondly because I do not want to undermine official efforts by offering a reason for players who largely play to duel to ignore the vanilla balance efforts.

EDIT: I'm a ding-dong. Version v4a-3 is the current version.

EDIT2: Desync problems with the current version. I've removed them for now, expect an update soon. Lego is a good person.

EDIT3: ALRIGHT! Unless removing three comments and changing the file name affect the functioning of the wad this version will WORK. Grab it on the front page.
Title: Re: Duel Modifications - UPDATE: Brutal Duel v1a!
Post by: JaxOf7 on April 27, 2017, 01:47:26 AM
Hey.
So I've made my own duel item patch.
Notably, I've nerfed health as I've always felt the standard health layouts were meant for DMs as opposed to duel.
Also, every suspect item gets replaced with something as opposed to nothing.

http://allfearthesentinel.net/download?file=duelitempatchj-v5a-b1.pk3 (http://allfearthesentinel.net/download?file=duelitempatchj-v5a-b1.pk3)

Here are the replacements.
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Title: Re: Duel Modifications - UPDATE: Brutal Duel v1a!
Post by: JaxOf7 on May 28, 2017, 11:18:51 AM
v5b update

http://allfearthesentinel.net/download?file=duelitempatchj-v5b-1.pk3 (http://allfearthesentinel.net/download?file=duelitempatchj-v5b-1.pk3)

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