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Title: What do you think about Korby?
Post by: Balrog on October 20, 2013, 11:49:44 AM
After WheelieCarbonate's recent ban, I decided to talk to him about it. He said that he was intentionally trying to get himself banned because of the perceived failings of the CutStuff community, and because of the belief that Korby had a personal vendetta against him.

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And so, here we are. What do you think about Korby? Specifically, do you think he's doing a good job of moderating the forums? Please note that I'm not trying to stir up drama here, just trying to figure out if there's a genuine problem here or if Swuss was just butthurt.
Title: Re: What do you think about Korby?
Post by: Deviddo on October 20, 2013, 12:18:29 PM
Korby's fine.  The more I hear about this Swiss guy the more bad news he seems, Korby's not at fault in this and he really shouldn't be seen as if he is whatsoever.
Title: Re: What do you think about Korby?
Post by: CutmanMike on October 20, 2013, 12:35:29 PM
First I've ever heard of this, sounds like butthurt. If you guys have any problems with the staff here, you should contact me or Ivory via PM, though I would hope this is obvious.
Title: Re: What do you think about Korby?
Post by: Balrog on October 20, 2013, 01:01:59 PM
It would be. I just wanted to try and see if it really was just butthurt or not. Here's my experiences with Korby on Skype, for a different perspective:
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And another one about the aforementioned porno conversation:
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Title: Re: What do you think about Korby?
Post by: Ceridran on October 20, 2013, 01:39:48 PM
Quote from: "Balrog"
It would be. I just wanted to try and see if it really was just butthurt or not. Here's my experiences with Korby on Skype, for a different perspective:
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I really don't get the justice here. What happened, again? Really.
Title: Re: What do you think about Korby?
Post by: Rozark on October 20, 2013, 01:49:32 PM
Hoo-Hah!
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You see Balrog, you and Swiss have an amazing history of posting intolerable porn numerous times when we told you not to do so, among other things. The kicks were justified and you're just being butthurt over this.

P.S. Your evidence is contextless, provide better evidence if you wish for me to be convinced.
Title: Re: What do you think about Korby?
Post by: Ceridran on October 20, 2013, 01:59:12 PM
For Wheelie*, one of the kicks was over posting a Board Game Online link. For Balrog, one of the kicks was over asking if something was a Lucky Star Photoshop. I question what it's supposed to be that he addresses, but.. Eh. Sure, other kicks likely are justified, but those two have little reason behind them.
Title: Re: What do you think about Korby?
Post by: Balrog on October 20, 2013, 02:25:22 PM
Quote from: "Ceridran"
I really don't get the justice here. What happened, again? Really.
What happened was I asked a question. Then I got kicked.

Quote from: "Rozark Kyouko"
Hoo-Hah!
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You see Balrog, you and Swiss have an amazing history of posting intolerable porn numerous times when we told you not to do so, among other things. The kicks were justified and you're just being butthurt over this.
Oops, I guess I should have published the actual link. Here's the bit prior to what I posted earlier:
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So, not porn. Just an innocent image macro that I asked an innocent question about.

Looking back, yes, the other kick was justified. The only reasons I mentioned it was for continuity with Swiss' conversation and because of the subsequent conversation with Korby, in which he seemingly expressed an opinion that I was an idiot and implied that he would kick me if I was ever invited to the main chat again.

Quote from: "Ceridran"
For Wheelie*, one of the kicks was over posting a Board Game Online link. For Balrog, one of the kicks was over asking if something was a Lucky Star Photoshop. I question what it's supposed to be that he addresses, but.. Eh. Sure, other kicks likely are justified, but those two have little reason behind them.
Exactly. For my part, I'm trying to get people to give their experiences.

EDIT: Actually, why don't we hear Korby's end of this? Might clear this up faster.

Korbyjuice
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EDIT TWO: Rozark, the context for the former was a conversation about an image that someone had linked to. The context for the latter was me asking why I was kicked from the main chat.
Title: Re: What do you think about Korby?
Post by: XJ9 on October 20, 2013, 06:02:19 PM
Quote from: "Rozark Kyouko"
P.S. Your evidence is contextless, provide better evidence if you wish for me to be convinced.
>Implying your sole opinion matters
Title: Re: What do you think about Korby?
Post by: Kapus on October 20, 2013, 06:27:18 PM
Korby drew this for me he's a great guy really!!!

(http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2011/250/f/1/dj_kapus_by_korbythestump-d497765.png)
Title: Re: What do you think about Korby?
Post by: Hallan Parva on October 20, 2013, 06:47:22 PM
Korby blessed me with this most holy of avatars
Title: Re: What do you think about Korby?
Post by: Korby on October 20, 2013, 06:56:37 PM
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Korby's fine.  The more I hear about this Swiss guy the more bad news he seems, Korby's not at fault in this and he really shouldn't be seen as if he is whatsoever.

While I appreciate the comments, I'm not 100% innocent in this.

for the league chat kick, I could have sworn "[4/24/2013 8:32:03 PM] *** Balrog has changed the conversation picture. ***" was to something pornographic, but I can't really find evidence to show otherwise. In fact, the only evidence I found seems to go against what I think. I just don't think I said "no" to your question[even though it was the correct answer.]

Granted, my memory kind of sucks, so I really won't be able to say much about that, but I'll post what came after it.

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Not going to lie, I did used to tend to plot to kick people on Skype, so Swiss isn't entirely wrong about that.

He is, however, wrong about me kicking everyone I dislike. While I won't name names on the forums to prevent possible problems, I could name quite a few people in many chats who exist despite me not reveling in their presence.

I do not, however, recall implying that you were an idiot. Would you mind showing me where I did that?
In addition, for a thread that's centered around evaluating my forum moderation, a lot of this seems to be about Skype.
Title: Re: What do you think about Korby?
Post by: Tengu on October 20, 2013, 07:10:34 PM
Well here was what I managed to dig up:

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Second one was completely understandable, I don't quite understand the first one.


Edit: Despite a few not-really-justifiable kicks I think Korby is a pretty cool dude most of the time. He wasn't even kicking people for spamming Freeman's chat with random letters of the alphabet.
Title: Re: What do you think about Korby?
Post by: Kapus on October 20, 2013, 07:26:20 PM
Okay, so...

This topic is asking if we think Korby is doing a good job at moderating the forums. I would say yes. He does a good job at patrolling and keeping things in order, and I can't think of any times offhand that he has acted out of line.

Skype chats are a completely different entity, though, and shouldn't really have any impact on the forum. Korby's mannerisms are a bit different on skype, and sometimes I think he can act a little bit rude or unfriendly possibly due to grudges or something, but I haven't seen any of that affect his forum duties. And as a close friend, I can tell you that, all things considered, Korby means well. He's a good person.

I could speak about his modding behaviors in various skype chats, but I know very little about those chats and their rules/customs, and they have no relevance to his forum modding as far as I can tell.
Title: This is my 800th post. I wonder what that says about me.
Post by: Balrog on October 20, 2013, 07:56:31 PM
First of all, thank you for responding, Korby.

Quote from: "Korby"
While I appreciate the comments, I'm not 100% innocent in this.

for the league chat kick, I could have sworn "[4/24/2013 8:32:03 PM] *** Balrog has changed the conversation picture. ***" was to something pornographic, but I can't really find evidence to show otherwise. In fact, the only evidence I found seems to go against what I think. I just don't think I said "no" to your question[even though it was the correct answer.]

Granted, my memory kind of sucks, so I really won't be able to say much about that, but I'll post what came after it.

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It wasn't. I distinctly remember that I changed it to a crop of the image that was linked. Said crop is both my current Steam profile picture and the picture for the CutStuff LoL group I started to try and get everyone on everyone's friends list.

Quote from: "Korby"
Not going to lie, I did used to tend to plot to kick people on Skype, so Swiss isn't entirely wrong about that.

He is, however, wrong about me kicking everyone I dislike. While I won't name names on the forums to prevent possible problems, I could name quite a few people in many chats who exist despite me not reveling in their presence.
Well, that's nice to know. Thanks for clearing that up.

Quote from: "Korby"
I do not, however, recall implying that you were an idiot. Would you mind showing me where I did that?
In addition, for a thread that's centered around evaluating my forum moderation, a lot of this seems to be about Skype.
My second post in this thread, second spoiler, me trying to figure out why you kicked me from the main chat. Specifically:
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[4/28/2013 4:18:32 PM] Onigiri: growing tired of your shenanigans
[4/28/2013 4:18:48 PM] Balrog: what about the shenanigans of
[4/28/2013 4:18:50 PM] Balrog: everyone else
[4/28/2013 4:18:58 PM] Onigiri: tolerable
[4/28/2013 4:19:14 PM] Balrog: I don't even shenanigan that often
[4/28/2013 4:19:17 PM] Onigiri: everyone else is like one of those stupidly annoying auto-faucets that stays on for a bit then turns offTo me this implied that I was being dumb constantly, while everyone else was only dumb occasionally. (That little "I wanted to do that for a while now" comment you posted also drives me to eyebrow-raising, but I missed out on that until now.) The Skype focus was, well, because Skype logs were all I had knowledge of. The whole point of this thread was to smoke out anyone who felt wronged by you, so they could go public with their experiences and as a community we could figure out what's what. So far you're looking great.

Quote from: "Kapus"
Okay, so...

This topic is asking if we think Korby is doing a good job at moderating the forums. I would say yes. He does a good job at patrolling and keeping things in order, and I can't think of any times offhand that he has acted out of line.

Skype chats are a completely different entity, though, and shouldn't really have any impact on the forum. Korby's mannerisms are a bit different on skype, and sometimes I think he can act a little bit rude or unfriendly possibly due to grudges or something, but I haven't seen any of that affect his forum duties. And as a close friend, I can tell you that, all things considered, Korby means well. He's a good person.

I could speak about his modding behaviors in various skype chats, but I know very little about those chats and their rules/customs, and they have no relevance to his forum modding as far as I can tell.
So, you're saying that Korby has a short fuse in Skype chats but otherwise is quite nice? That lines up well with what's been posted here. It's a bit like how I'm a jokester in forum games, in-game chat, and (yes) Skype chat but quickly straighten up and fly right when it becomes necessary. (For examples, see the last few drama-laden threads I've had a stake in.)

I'd say that this thread is running its course. I'd recommend leaving it open at least until Monday afternoon to make sure everyone sees it, but if a "smoking gun" doesn't appear in that time I don't see the point of continuing. (Don't lock it right now, though.)
Title: Re: This is my 800th post. I wonder what that says about me.
Post by: Kapus on October 20, 2013, 08:02:29 PM
Quote from: "Balrog"
So, you're saying that Korby has a short fuse in Skype chats but otherwise is quite nice?
I wouldn't say "short fuse" from my experience. More passive aggressive if anything, and he's not too bad about it.

I am speaking from my experience, though. As I had stated, I'm not familiar with most of the skype chats floating around, so I could just be missing some of his behavior (although I would be genuinely surprised if that were true).
Title: Re: What do you think about Korby?
Post by: Tengu on October 20, 2013, 08:05:20 PM
I think we're all forgetting the topic at hand. Forum moderation. None of this has to do with that. There's about 1000 topics about Skype drama out there and this doesn't help it.

The topic title "What do you think about Korby?" in itself is just stupid. You might as well have named it "Help me bash Korby because I don't like him."
Title: Re: What do you think about Korby?
Post by: Kapus on October 20, 2013, 08:12:29 PM
Korby and I already addressed the fact, Tengu. We're not forgetting.

Nobody here is bashing Korby, either. Balrog himself created the topic to sort the issue with wheelie and get information and opinions, not to publicly shame Korby. The discussion at hand is very civil.
Title: Re: What do you think about Korby?
Post by: Captain Barlowe on October 20, 2013, 11:53:58 PM
What do I think of Korby? Well, from since we met...
He's a pretty cool mod on cutstuff that works well with Ivory.
He's one of my fighting game partners (games include SFIII, Alpha 3, SFIV, Garou)
He holds the second place record for longest call hosted (about 25 hours)
I try to say hi to him whenever I see him.
He plays LoL, and TF2 as a pretty good pyro who likes badwater.
He's currently a jelly filled donut.
He was the leader of the townies and much fun collaboration between him and I were had.
He's hosting the next mafia, which seems very in-depth and confusing(not in a bad sense) from what I've heard.
He's pretty good at famitracking even though he states he isn't.
BIRD ATTACK
Horse.

I find him a pretty cool guy and one of my closer friends on cutstuff, along with one of the few members I talk to in a regular basis.

...Now, if we were talking on the topic of Swiss, I would state that Swiss broke about 3 of the rules and justly deserved the ban placed upon him on cutstuff. I still have no idea how this relates to Korby other than Skype matters, and I believe if both you and Swiss talked to him one-on-one, these feelings of "hate" might be explained in more detail, if they haven't been already.
Title: Re: What do you think about Korby?
Post by: CDRom11_2007 on October 21, 2013, 01:30:05 AM
Its amazing what power can do to someone. Korby, to me, is CutmanMike's right hand man, or, that's just how i see it. So, imagine the power Korby must have. But remember, when comes power comes great responsibility. In this case, to take care of the scum of the cutstuff community. Now, imagine being in his position, when actions must be made quickly and correctly, two contradicting conditions. Mistakes will be made. Its our job as the cutstuff community to help correct these mistakes. I mean, we are a community, a single community. This forum would be nothing without each other... We are nothing without each other. What Balrog did was right, confronting the situation for the rest of us to decide. Imagine the possible conflict if this situation wasn't confronted? The last thing we need is more conflict. But we have to remember that we are still real people behind those monitors. Doing the impossible (even though i believe there is no such thing as impossible) is still very difficult. Cut the guy some slack. And I say that to both Balrog and Korby.
Title: Re: What do you think about Korby?
Post by: Knux on October 21, 2013, 07:35:05 PM
As far as moderating in the forums goes, I don't have a problem with Korby. Sure I have other things to say about him, but I voiced what's relevant already, so yeah.
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Post by: Ivory on October 23, 2013, 05:04:08 AM
What do I think about Korby? Good question.

Korby is a mod because I vouched for him when I requested a new global mod to lighten the load off of me. I chose Korby because my impression of him was a friendly sort of person who can be sensible and and act when needed. While I'll say Korby has definitely had times when he lets something slide, or does something completely silly, Korby's usefulness has bested over any negatives. Sure, there has been times when I second guessed my choice but nonetheless, I keep Korby around for the same reason I keep Llama around. They are both very good friends and team members to work with.

Seeing as no one has been able to provide any solid reason to why I should reconsider Korby's position and that this thread has died down inactivity for two days, it's safe to say Korby's staying in his position.