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Title: The Youtube Degradation Thread
Post by: Dr. Crasger on November 10, 2013, 03:53:26 AM
It would seem that Google is doing nasty things to YouTube, nasty things indeed.
If this doesn't stop, we may have to leave the sinking ship.

It seems that Google is not giving any attention to the people complaining. That makes me mad.
Inspired by this thread (http://www.doomworld.com/vb/everything-else/66095-gg-youtube-you-fucked-it-up-again/) over at Doomworld.
Title: Re: What do you think of the YouTube update?
Post by: Laggy Blazko on November 10, 2013, 03:57:16 AM
Signed. It's harder to read comments now. Plus I can't open comment pages on a different tab. (I'm using Google Chrome)
Title: Re: What do you think of the YouTube update?
Post by: Ceridran on November 10, 2013, 04:00:45 AM
Remember how painful it was to find the comment someone replied to in the version of Youtube way back in the past?

Yeah, they brought it back, it's too painful. I hate using Google+.
Title: Re: What do you think of the YouTube update?
Post by: Korby on November 10, 2013, 04:04:40 AM
I really only want the videos to be on the left again and be able to follow comment trains.
Title: Re: What do you think of the YouTube update?
Post by: Dr. Crasger on November 10, 2013, 04:06:35 AM
In fact, even the CO-FOUNDER of YouTube found this annoying.
Jawed Karim, one of the founders of YouTube said this: "why the fuck do I need a Google+ account to comment on a video?"

Then there's this guy who made a video to complain:


and this guy who summed it up:


They removed the character limit.
Which pisses me off, because they promised to make sure there would be less undesirable comments. Like spam, for example. Now, without the character limit, people have been posting ASCII, random typing (ex: "asdafsgagjtt") which covers the whole page, and whole scripts of movies (I once saw the entire script of 'Braveheart' in the comments).
Title: Re: What do you think of the YouTube update?
Post by: SmashTheEchidna on November 10, 2013, 04:10:27 AM
>:CCCCCCCCCC


That's what I think of it.
Title: Re: What do you think of the YouTube update?
Post by: Kapus on November 10, 2013, 04:15:08 AM
It's annoying and unnecessary.
Title: Re: What do you think of the YouTube update?
Post by: Knux on November 10, 2013, 04:27:58 AM
Youtube has been going downhill since the 2010 update. No signs of slowing down, by the looks of it! D:
Title: Re: What do you think of the YouTube update?
Post by: Tfp BreakDown on November 10, 2013, 04:29:31 AM
In brutal honestly: I don't give a Rat's ass about it. Personally if it doesn't affect videos or the search engine on youtube, then I'm fine. Personally I think everyone is over-reacting about the whole update thing. Especially with some of the things I've seen.
Title: Re: What do you think of the YouTube update?
Post by: Dr. Crasger on November 10, 2013, 04:47:12 AM
Quote from: "Tfp BreakDown"
In brutal honestly: I don't give a Rat's ass about it. Personally if it doesn't affect videos or the search engine on youtube, then I'm fine. Personally I think everyone is over-reacting about the whole update thing. Especially with some of the things I've seen.

You got a point there, but what if this is just the tip of the iceberg?
What if we don't react? What will Google do? Not give a shit. So they'll just throw more and more crap out at us until it DOES affect the videos.
Title: Re: What do you think of the YouTube update?
Post by: Tfp BreakDown on November 10, 2013, 04:55:23 AM
I highly doubt that. but valid point
Title: Re: What do you think of the YouTube update?
Post by: Dr. Crasger on November 10, 2013, 11:13:07 AM
Worst-Case-Scenario: They integrate Google+ into watching videos, forcing you to connect to Google+ before even getting to watch videos.

Best-Case-Scenario: They won't listen to our rants, raves and petitions.
But nothing changes and nothing worse happens.

Oh shit
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Title: Re: What do you think of the NEW and "IMPROVED" YouTube?
Post by: doofusroad on November 10, 2013, 01:53:14 PM
I don't care for comments. In fact, the only thing that pissed me off was that they separated the playlist bar from the video.
Title: Re: What do you think of the NEW and "IMPROVED" YouTube?
Post by: Jman on November 10, 2013, 06:09:53 PM
YouTube really just gets worse and worse with each update... they're focusing too much on the social aspect of it rather than allowing ease of access and personalization. At one point, it was perfect. You could mark videos in your subscription feed as watched, and never see them again. But no, they had to remove that in the latest update to the layout. Now the front page of YouTube focuses on suggested videos (which are often videos I don't want to watch), and they completely removed channel customization! This is just one of many horrible decisions that Google made with YouTube, and for that, I'm going to post incredibly long spam comments to show people horrendous the system is, then sign the petition.
Title: Re: What do you think of the NEW and "IMPROVED" YouTube?
Post by: Geno on November 11, 2013, 01:15:20 AM
I think it is terrible.

Forcing people to use the confusing Google+ crap in order to actually say stuff is evil.

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Title: Re: What do you think of the NEW and "IMPROVED" YouTube?
Post by: Tfp BreakDown on November 11, 2013, 01:32:22 AM
I still think you guys are over-reacting, though I rarely comment on videos. but still you are over-reacting

Edit: how I see most people react
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Title: Re: What do you think of the NEW and "IMPROVED" YouTube?
Post by: Geno on November 11, 2013, 01:44:07 AM
I think it's just because YouTube was fine before.

Adding and changing things that are unnecessary will ALWAYS irritate people.
Title: Re: What do you think of the NEW and "IMPROVED" YouTube?
Post by: Orange juice :l on November 11, 2013, 01:50:28 AM
The silliest part is that they allowed clickable links without any prompts or notifications when they direct you off Youtube (and even then, links inside of youtube are pretty sketchy too). Literally the only time it was ever worse was when comments allowed autorunnable code.
Title: Re: What do you think of the NEW and "IMPROVED" YouTube?
Post by: Bikdark on November 11, 2013, 02:35:42 AM
Quote from: "Orange juice :l"
autorunnable code.
Oh man, when was this? Sounds like something I would've been interested in.
Title: Re: What do you think of the NEW and "IMPROVED" YouTube?
Post by: Orange juice :l on November 11, 2013, 02:46:21 AM
It was something around a year and a half ago or something. Before Youtube disabled comments sitewide, any video could automatically redirect you to another site, make up a popup message, and generally cause a good deal of havoc. Plus, 4chan was well aware of it when it was discovered.
Title: Re: What do you think of the NEW and "IMPROVED" YouTube?
Post by: Dr. Crasger on November 11, 2013, 08:47:34 AM
Wow that's terrible.
Title: Re: What do you think of the NEW and "IMPROVED" YouTube?
Post by: New_Female on November 11, 2013, 11:59:58 AM
Signed. That's all. Just signed. New_YouTube sux. That's all. Just signed.
Title: Re: What do you think of the NEW and "IMPROVED" YouTube?
Post by: doofusroad on November 12, 2013, 12:45:20 PM
I think I'll sign since they removed the ability to search videos only in a certain channel.
Title: Re: What do you think of the NEW and "IMPROVED" YouTube?
Post by: Ceridran on November 13, 2013, 07:17:57 PM
They removed that thing that put some space between the video and the left side of the screen. Now I have to watch videos shoved against the corner of the screen that bother obsessive compulsive feelings.

Words cannot describe how infuriated I am.
Title: Re: What do you think of the NEW and "IMPROVED" YouTube?
Post by: doofusroad on November 14, 2013, 12:21:16 PM
not to mention i can't get that freaking bar to stop following me oh my god
Title: Re: What do you think of the NEW and "IMPROVED" YouTube?
Post by: Ceridran on November 14, 2013, 01:27:17 PM
Yes, that bar.. Something seems fishy whenever that bar goes fuzzy-looking.
Title: Re: What do you think of the NEW and "IMPROVED" YouTube?
Post by: Dr. Crasger on November 15, 2013, 02:31:25 PM
This is the last bastion of hope. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEopyF186UQ)
Title: Re: What do you think of the NEW and "IMPROVED" YouTube?
Post by: Number86 on November 16, 2013, 02:44:42 PM
Typically shit decision from the incompetent bastards at Google, trying to force this 'social network' bullshit on a site that's not actually geared toward such things. I (like most others I'm guessing) go there to watch videos, not exchange meaningless small-talk with illiterate dickheads and grow some circle of not-friends -- that would be the last thing I use a video sharing site for.

This comment system is godawful; no more easy to read 'comment chains', spam (ASCII/links/film scripts) everywhere, timecodes don't work (but links to stupid scams  and irrelevant bullshit sites do!)... I can't even fucking comment on most videos unless it's by way of replying to an existing comment. And then there's the notification system, telling me about the most insignificant things. Someone +1'd one of my comments that I left days ago? Oh whoopee-shit, because I was watching my screen like a hawk waiting for that to happen and I will certainly sleep well tonight; some complete fucking stranger on the internet approves of my opinion.

tl;dr
GG you spastic tossers, what are you going to fuck up next?


...and breathe.
Title: Re: What do you think of the NEW and "IMPROVED" YouTube?
Post by: Dr. Crasger on November 17, 2013, 12:09:48 AM
Hopefully, not the uploading system...
Title: Re: What do you think of the YouTube update?
Post by: Laggy Blazko on November 17, 2013, 01:54:02 AM
Quote from: "Tfp BreakDown"
In brutal honestly: I don't give a Rat's ass about it. Personally if it doesn't affect videos or the search engine on youtube, then I'm fine. Personally I think everyone is over-reacting about the whole update thing. Especially with some of the things I've seen.
You've posted about it a lot so it looks more like you are overreacting, instead.
Title: Re: What do you think of the NEW and "IMPROVED" YouTube?
Post by: Chme on November 17, 2013, 04:15:11 PM
The man who had the idea of this "Improvement" should be sent in the darkest and hottest place of Norfair's depths.
That's all I have to say.
Title: Re: What do you think of the NEW and "IMPROVED" YouTube?
Post by: Geno on November 18, 2013, 01:55:57 AM
Welp, learnt something new about the YouTube update.


Sometimes, randomly, the video will stop, and refuse to go on any longer. Although this has happened to me once or twice before, once the new update happened, it happens a LOT!

And unlike before, restarting the video doesn't work, nor does refreshing the page or closing the tab and re-opening it. YOU HAVE TO CLOSE YOUR BROWSER ENTIRELY AND RE-OPEN IT TO GET IT TO WORK!

Heck, this happened to me probably over 50 times THIS EVENING!
Title: Re: What do you think of the NEW and "IMPROVED" YouTube?
Post by: Dr. Crasger on November 18, 2013, 11:28:27 AM
Ah yes, I started to get pissed ever since it started to force 144p on 'ya if your connection got sour.
Title: Re: What do you think of the NEW and "IMPROVED" YouTube?
Post by: Geno on November 18, 2013, 11:32:27 AM
Oh yeah, that too.

It's really annoying, because it messes with your perception of the video, which I don't know about you, but I find it very annoying.

Why doesn't YouTube have a setting where you can set which video quality you get by default? Like, I could set it to 1080p, and if there's only 780p,or 380p on the videos I am watching, it just picks the highest quality. Why don't they have something like that, instead of crapping all over it when your connection gets obstructed for, like, 1 SECOND!
Title: Re: What do you think of the NEW and "IMPROVED" YouTube?
Post by: SmashTheEchidna on November 18, 2013, 10:29:36 PM
Youtube suddenly broke. Keep getting a 500 server error.
Title: Re: What do you think of the NEW and "IMPROVED" YouTube?
Post by: -FiniteZero- on November 18, 2013, 10:38:32 PM
Yep. Their team of monkeys is working on it.

...If they did have a team of monkeys, it would explain just too much.
Title: Re: What do you think of the NEW and "IMPROVED" YouTube?
Post by: Dr. Crasger on November 19, 2013, 12:01:04 AM
I'll be honest... I'm starting to get used to it.
*sigh*

But still Google needs to listen to the damn community. If they don't more and more updates will come and it'll make YouTube worse.

A list of some YouTubers I know against the new comments:
boogie2988
HowToBasic
TotalBiscuit
Aquarius199
PewDiePie
AlexDuPreeGaming
MrRepzion

there are tons more out there.
Title: Re: What do you think of the NEW and "IMPROVED" YouTube?
Post by: Darkus4223 on November 23, 2013, 04:38:14 PM
Hey, at least the new commenting system is better than those flipping bob comments
Title: Re: What do you think of the NEW and "IMPROVED" YouTube?
Post by: Dr. Crasger on November 24, 2013, 09:44:30 AM
Quote from: "Darkus4223"
Hey, at least the new commenting system is better than those flipping bob comments

The new comments system is the very reason why there ARE 'Bob' comments.
Title: Re: What do you think of the NEW and "IMPROVED" YouTube?
Post by: VGS2 on November 24, 2013, 07:05:47 PM
Y'know, the worst thing about it all is that they have no incentive to change it back to how it originally was, or to combine all the best elements of the previous years and mash 'em all together, because let's be honest, we'll never leave.

There's just nowhere else to go for videos. I mean, we could always upload our stuff to different sites, but nobody will ever view 'em anywhere near as much.
And of course, everyone else always keeps uploading to Youtube, so all the best stuff is there, so we're basically in a blackhole of shit. They could screw our mothers and they'd still get away with it!

That being said, we could always move over to Google videos, amirite? Dohoho! (Spoilers: That's gonna be Youtube's new name next year, I guarantee it)
Title: Re: What do you think of the NEW and "IMPROVED" YouTube?
Post by: *Alice on November 24, 2013, 07:26:22 PM
It won't be renamed that quickly.
Brand recognition is a huuuuge thing. Not to forget, wasn't there a Google Video site that was completely unsuccessful?

Look at Instagram, Flickr and Tumblr, for example. They all got acquired by a very influential company and still kept their name.
The word "Youtube" has become deeply associated with watching videos on the internet. Why would you suddenly change the name to something that doesn't have the potential to have nearly as much influence?
Title: Re: What do you think of the NEW and "IMPROVED" YouTube?
Post by: VGS2 on November 24, 2013, 08:34:19 PM
To be honest, I was half joking, but ya never know!

You're right that they'll never change the name in a thousand years, but still, it's pretty much Google Video in all but name.
They're kinda latching onto Youtube like some kind of Google headcrab.

I'm probably exaggerating to hell and back, but that's what it honestly feels like at the moment. And there's not much that can be done about it, aside from hoping that they pay attention to our plees. This time.

Now with that being said, I'm off to be a hypocrite and browse some more Googtube.  :geek:
Title: Re: What do you think of the NEW and "IMPROVED" YouTube?
Post by: Dr. Crasger on November 24, 2013, 11:20:48 PM
Quote from: "VGS2"
Y'know, the worst thing about it all is that they have no incentive to change it back to how it originally was, or to combine all the best elements of the previous years and mash 'em all together, because let's be honest, we'll never leave.

Yeah, whenever I try to leave in anger. It manages to suck me back in.
Because all the videos I like to watch are THERE.

Goddamn you Google. Stop fucking with your users.
Title: Re: What do you think of the NEW and "IMPROVED" YouTube?
Post by: <geminibro> on November 28, 2013, 09:30:17 PM
My reaction (along with everyone else's):
Title: Re: What do you think of the NEW and "IMPROVED" YouTube?
Post by: Dr. Crasger on December 07, 2013, 11:39:35 AM
OoooaaH BOY:


Welp, that's it for the final nail on the coffin.
The new comments and integration, sorta annoy me still, but seriously, I've learned to sorta live with that one. But this... THIS is TOO DAMN MUCH.

YouTube used to be creative and free...
but then the changes started to slowly happen.

- They gave you the ability to make your channel look boring (One Channel). Afterwards, they enforced it.
- They constantly bugged you on and on to join G+ (if you made an account pre-Google+ era). Afterwards, you couldn't even type your thoughts into the videos' comments unless you join them.
- Now, you can't upload gaming videos no more. Nothing copyrighted of the sort. Unacceptable, not even for fair use.

Google = The Nazis right now.
Title: Re: What do you think of the NEW and "IMPROVED" YouTube?
Post by: Geno on December 07, 2013, 06:08:46 PM
what
what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what
what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what
what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what


So any sort of game footage, audio, or anything will no longer be allowed on YouTube?!

Welp, there goes my 3 only videos, as well as 60% of my favourites.

And what about channels like Nintendo? From what I heard, this turd of an "update" affects everybody.


EDIT: Wait, nothing copyrighted at all?

Welp, there goes 39% of my favourites, as well as all 100+ YTPs I have in my own playlist.

The remaining 1% consists of asdf movie, and this thing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VANbL__m7Fw).
Title: Re: What do you think of the NEW and "IMPROVED" YouTube?
Post by: doofusroad on December 07, 2013, 10:25:55 PM
Title: Re: What do you think of the NEW and "IMPROVED" YouTube?
Post by: VGS2 on December 08, 2013, 02:06:09 PM
Hoooly fucking shit, really?
Jesus, they really are just a few steps away from screwing all of our mothers...

Well bollocks, I was planning on actually making crappy let's plays sometime in the future too, but I guess not anymore!

People just simply won't be able to get approval on every game or show or whatever they make videos of. Nobody except for the bigwigs, like Gamespot and IGN, and all those guys who can just hire people to do it all for them. But for the little people like us, we're screwed. Especially if we dabble in companies that're really touchy about everything copyright related, however trivial it is...

Guys, I know I'm totally contradicting myself from earlier by saying this, and it pains me to say so, but... we gotta move. We need another site to post our shit on.

It's one of the most hopeful things I've said in years, but we gotta get outta here. The only plan I have is that everyone posts their stuff on other sites, advertise said stuff by posting super short videos with links in the description on Nazitube, and then hopefully, in the years to come, everybody else will copy meus and move on themselves.
And yeah, I'm totally gonna do this too. I'm not gonna be one of those internet tough guys who "quits the internets forever" and then comes back a few days later. I'm joining my own borderline-spite-filled movement, at least until things brighten up again.
Well, once I start making shiz, anyway.

Youtube's kinda looking like the Titanic at the moment. 'Twas the fanciest ship of its time, but that iceberg's around the corner, and this ain't the movie with magical rapping dogs, or talking dolphins.

Welp, with all that said, unless things change for the better, or we're all exaggerating to hell and back, this is for you, Youtube. Whether we move elsewhere or not.
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Title: Re: What do you think of the NEW and "IMPROVED" YouTube?
Post by: -FiniteZero- on December 08, 2013, 05:42:01 PM
Well. SOMEONE is doing something stupid at Google. I really don't get why they would be doing all this crap.
Title: Re: What do you think of the NEW and "IMPROVED" YouTube?
Post by: Russel on December 08, 2013, 06:29:23 PM
Well if people are making money for basically selling a product without permission...
Personally, I think the video game footage ban thingy doesn't make much sense - even if it's monetized, it's still free advertisement. Not to mention a person who recorded the footage and owns the game in question theoretically owns the rights to that particular clip of footage.

...Ah well. I guess we'll see where this takes us. All you have to remember is that Google is a company, and like any company, they are trying to make money. If they are getting sued by every corporation under the sun, do you think they're making very much? [This example is negating the fact that they are Google and making tons of it anyways] This is kind of a way for Google to cover their butts and make Youtube what it was supposed to be originally - about home movies and stuff...at least that's how I read the label.
And hey, there is always Twitch~
Title: Re: What do you think of the NEW and "IMPROVED" YouTube?
Post by: Korby on December 08, 2013, 06:55:26 PM
It just seems kind of strange to partner up with a whole bunch of people who do exactly that, then put in a thing that doesn't let them do it anymore.
Title: Re: What do you think of the NEW and "IMPROVED" YouTube?
Post by: Beed28 on December 11, 2013, 01:57:19 AM
http://kotaku.com/youtube-channels-crip ... 1480717110 (http://kotaku.com/youtube-channels-crippled-by-copyright-claims-1480717110)

Just a heads up. The end of days has arrived.
Title: Re: What do you think of the NEW and "IMPROVED" YouTube?
Post by: Geno on December 11, 2013, 02:03:51 AM
Honestly, since I read that, it didn't seem as frighting as I initially thought.

So just people who are making money from the material? Oh, okay then.
Title: Re: What do you think of the NEW and "IMPROVED" YouTube?
Post by: Dr. Crasger on December 13, 2013, 10:58:59 AM
Well there's a chance, but then there's also a chance that nothing will be spared.
Only time will tell what will happen.
Title: Re: What do you think of the NEW and "IMPROVED" YouTube?
Post by: Jman on December 18, 2013, 11:56:31 PM
Quote from: "Me in another topic"
Many of you have probably heard of Youtube cracking down again on copyrights, mostly affecting gaming channels, network based and non networked based. Most disturbingly, this change allows any copyright enforcement company to automatically search videos for content, then flag the video for a copyright claim if it "violates" a copyright by using content without permission. Even if it's a few seconds of a clip of something, it can and will result in a claim. This, of course, is leading to trouble. Many gaming channels suddenly found themselves with copyright claims that were automatically claimed by Google and other 3rd parties. Angry Joe found himself with over 60 claims on some of his most viewed videos immediately after the copyright changes went into effect, and on his claims, it shows what copyright it violates, and it got quite ridiculous. His live interview with Tomb Raider got a copyright claim for using content from Tomb Raider, even though the people from tomb raider were fine with it. The penalty for these copyright claims are to pay a fine to the copyright holders, then carry on as if nothing happened.

This topic has been all over Kotaku, Youtube, and other sites, and I must say, I really think Youtube is starting to take a turn for the worst.
Also, to Ivory, who locked the topic that this was in, I thought that this topic was about the Google+ update. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
Title: Re: What do you think of the NEW and "IMPROVED" YouTube?
Post by: Dr. Crasger on December 19, 2013, 02:47:11 AM
It was originally for the G+ update but now it's for how YouTube is starting to suck in general.
Title: Re: The Youtube Degradation Thread
Post by: Ivory on December 19, 2013, 03:23:26 AM
Fair enough, I'll rename it to something more fitting.
Title: Re: The Youtube Degradation Thread
Post by: Hallan Parva on December 19, 2013, 03:50:42 AM
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Although one interesting thing that is becoming INCREDIBLY common with the 'judgement claim day' is false claims of music, especially tracks from people like Kevin MacLeod (whose music has been used by everyone from the Yogscast to me and is free to use provided it is given attribution). I know several YouTubers who have had companies claiming that they represent interests that own the rights to music like this and they managed to use YouTube's woefully bad ID system to nick all the ad money until the YouTuber can dispute the claim successfully.
Well then.


Looks like it's time to jump ship. Any suggestions?
Title: Re: The Youtube Degradation Thread
Post by: Isaac940 on December 19, 2013, 05:52:09 AM
Quote from: "SmashBroPlusB"
Well then.


Looks like it's time to jump ship. Any suggestions?

Are you looking to monetize your videos? Because if you aren't, from what I've read this isn't actually taking videos down but instead directing ad revenue to the person who claims to hold the copyright. So if you were never going to get money off of the videos in the first place this may not affect you that much.
If you are, then Dailymotion I guess? To be honest it, Blip and Viddler are the three non-Youtube video sites that I know of. However, if I'm remembering right, Blip really doesn't like video game footage (LPs in particular; IIRC they did a big purge of LP channels a while back) and Viddler is dieing and might be the site that I heard was holding old accounts hostage from the creators unless they paid for the premium service or something like that. As for Dailymotion itself, apparently it has more lenient standards than Youtube and does have a monetizaton method but only gets around 1/28 the total traffic Youtube does (according to an article I found from March). Then again, I've heard of at least one large Youtube channel migrating to Dailymotion because of this situation so who knows how much more popularity Dailymotion will get in the future.
Title: Re: The Youtube Degradation Thread
Post by: Orange juice :l on December 19, 2013, 06:10:13 AM
Warning, language
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At the end of the day, the viewers aren't going to be able to make a change as a group. They're FAR too disorganized. If you want to make a change, use an Adblocker (Adblock Plus for Chrome or Firefox; if you're using IE or Safari, don't use IE or Safari). The only way a mass migration will occur is if the big Youtube channels jump ship (Love them or hate them, basically anyone over 1mil subs counts. Anyone over 10mil, or a large group like Polaris will probably cause a snowball effect.)
Title: Re: The Youtube Degradation Thread
Post by: Hallan Parva on December 19, 2013, 06:18:42 AM
It got worse. Two game creators are getting pinged by copyright claims... on the games they made. Here's a forum post on the Escapist site (http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.837161-VVVVVV-Creator-Infringes-Own-Copyright) for a bit of background, along with a video from everyone's favorite (?) bearded profanity fountain, AlphaOmegaSin.





This is getting beyond ridiculous.
Title: Re: The Youtube Degradation Thread
Post by: Orange juice :l on December 19, 2013, 06:28:08 AM
Oh right, I forgot to post this:

(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/infrastructures.png)
Title: Re: The Youtube Degradation Thread
Post by: Dr. Crasger on December 19, 2013, 06:56:10 AM
Seriously though, I wonder why huge companies with tons of power can't retain a sense of caring for what the customers want. Someone should write a book with some sort of "10 Commandments of Mega-Corporations" so they will still have ethics and have the right mindset.
Title: Re: The Youtube Degradation Thread
Post by: Rozark on December 19, 2013, 07:07:43 AM
I was going to vote in the poll, but then the "I don't care" option disappeared so yea.

I just really don't care. I mean, I use youtube ALL the time, and unless any of my ancient youtube poops get flagged from 2008 or so, it just isn't affecting me.
Title: Re: The Youtube Degradation Thread
Post by: LlamaHombre on December 19, 2013, 11:27:27 AM
Yeah I'm pretty much with Rozark here.

I don't monetize my videos and I just upload covers so I'm at no risk. The comment thing still kinda bugs me but signing for Google+ is so trivial that I'll probably just sit down someday and do it just to get it over with.

I won't deny that the site's been getting worse, but it doesn't outright kill my enjoyment of the content on the site. I'm not going to suddenly stop using what I've known since 2008 just because a few of its policies changed.
Title: Re: The Youtube Degradation Thread
Post by: Orange juice :l on December 19, 2013, 04:17:38 PM
Of course, it goes both ways. Just as Youtube can't be killed by viewers alone, it can't be saved by viewers alone. If all those big channels leave, Youtube's not going to stick around. Really, it's in the hands of the people who are having their content flagged. Whether they want to deal with it or jump ship, that's their option and it'll be the one that carries the most weight
Title: Re: The Youtube Degradation Thread
Post by: Ceridran on December 19, 2013, 08:25:27 PM
Didn't they say they were making real people check for copyright?
Title: Re: The Youtube Degradation Thread
Post by: Orange juice :l on December 20, 2013, 04:15:50 AM
How would they have real people check for copyrighted content if people upload what is probably many orders of magnitude more hours of footage per day than there are hours in a day? It's CERTAINLY a bot doing this stuff.
Title: Re: The Youtube Degradation Thread
Post by: Dr. Crasger on December 20, 2013, 08:31:02 AM
And the bot reaches a point where it develops a sense of sentience, and we're all DoomeD!
Title: Re: The Youtube Degradation Thread
Post by: ice on December 30, 2013, 02:21:24 AM
Welp this just torpedoed my plans @_@ and theyre flagging user made games too!? I havent seen the new update but Im jumping ship too I guess @_@
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EDIT: After doing research, capcom is okay with there content being posted, not sure about zandronum but I think I might still be able post mm8bdm vids
Title: Re: The Youtube Degradation Thread
Post by: Dr. Crasger on December 30, 2013, 04:16:57 AM
Well, it's almost 2014, guys. PREPARE TO JUMP SHIP!
Title: Re: The Youtube Degradation Thread
Post by: Zard1084 on December 30, 2013, 04:32:22 AM
Quote from: "ice"
Welp this just torpedoed my plans @_@ and theyre flagging user made games too!? I havent seen the new update but Im jumping ship too I guess @_@
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EDIT: After doing research, capcom is okay with there content being posted, not sure about zandronum but I think I might still be able post mm8bdm vids
none of my stuff got flagged yet so i think as long as your channel is not monetized aka getting money from vids i think we're fine posting Mm8bdm for now
Title: Re: The Youtube Degradation Thread
Post by: ice on December 30, 2013, 04:35:12 AM
Thaaat waas what I was panning to dooo.... =_=;
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Edit: Read over the license that came with mm8bdm, nothing about it bars me from making videos, and capcom is ok with it.I just have to worry if nintendo has anything to say about it
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Edit: Screw it, Im abandoning the idea. Nintendo and probobly sony would most likely have a problem with it plus it feels wrong to profit off of what Mike and the community made
Title: Re: The Youtube Degradation Thread
Post by: Dr. Crasger on January 02, 2014, 04:38:26 AM
Okay, it's January. It's almost here.
Title: Re: The Youtube Degradation Thread
Post by: Ceridran on January 07, 2014, 05:03:27 PM
Oh, hey, recently I found a video that still has the old comment system but still asks you to use Google+ for it. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNQvLECht08) Surprisingly, not supposed to be an excuse to try to get you to watch the anime.
Title: Re: The Youtube Degradation Thread
Post by: Dr. Crasger on March 18, 2014, 01:54:39 AM
It would seem that some of the problems in YouTube can easily be solved with:this thing. (http://github.com/YePpHa/YouTubeCenter/)

For the crappy playback loading that YouTube has, disable dash playback. Sadly, it cannot replace the shitty comments system.
Title: Re: The Youtube Degradation Thread
Post by: OtakuAlex on March 18, 2014, 02:07:23 AM
I have literally no issues with the new comment system. In fact, I PREFER the new comment system over the old one.

Everything feels so organized and convenient now, I don't see why everyone is flipping their shit over an IMPROVEMENT.

The character limit being removed is also good as when chatting with someone, you don't have to split a paragraph into 5 fucking comments.

The replies also work out better since everything works like a forum thread. I actually love the changes they made. Burn me on the cross like a heretic if you must, but I still will love the changes they've made.
Title: Re: The Youtube Degradation Thread
Post by: Orange juice :l on March 18, 2014, 02:11:45 AM
At least they took links out.
Title: Re: The Youtube Degradation Thread
Post by: Laggy Blazko on March 18, 2014, 04:21:02 AM
What bothers me most about the new comments system is that it screwed up old replies.
Title: Re: The Youtube Degradation Thread
Post by: SmashTheEchidna on March 18, 2014, 05:15:10 AM
I'm pretty sure that's what everyone was raging about.
Title: Re: The Youtube Degradation Thread
Post by: Geno on March 18, 2014, 09:27:32 PM
For some reason, now to do ANYTHING with any video in the "Favourites" playlist, you need to move the video up to be the first on the list.

And you no longer can select multiple videos to do one thing at once for all of them.

Nor can you automatically send all selected videos onto a new playlist.

So.... yeah. Splitting up my Favourites list into multiple playlists in order to have more space went from taking under an hour to taking over a week.

EDIT: And, for some even stranger reason, I cannot even to ANYTHING with any videos at spots 101 and below.  :mad:
Title: Re: The Youtube Degradation Thread
Post by: Dr. Crasger on March 19, 2014, 12:51:28 AM
Well that sucks.
I don't get it. What's Google in it for? Making it inconvenient? I mean, what the fuck?
Title: Re: The Youtube Degradation Thread
Post by: LlamaHombre on March 19, 2014, 10:27:04 AM
I assume most of the kinks involving favorites are just bugs - it seems really unintentional and awkward when you're subject to its effects, so I can't imagine them purposely coding stuff like that in.
Title: Re: The Youtube Degradation Thread
Post by: Dr. Crasger on March 24, 2014, 03:48:04 PM
A friend had pointed out to me that Google seemed to slowly degrade YouTube... First they gave you the option to make your channel boring, removing your individuality and ability to modify your channel, then they started to slowly change the layout.

Next thing you know, YouTube isn't just a video-sharing site, it's a full blown social network... probably did that 'cause it sells.
Title: Re: The Youtube Degradation Thread
Post by: OtakuAlex on March 24, 2014, 06:22:11 PM
Quote from: "Dr. Crasger"
A friend had pointed out to me that Google seemed to slowly degrade YouTube... First they gave you the option to make your channel boring, removing your individuality and ability to modify your channel, then they started to slowly change the layout.

Next thing you know, YouTube isn't just a video-sharing site, it's a full blown social network... probably did that 'cause it sells.

I'd assume that the options being removed was to make it more appealing for those who aren't computer savvy or don't understand settings/options very well. The network thing is just integrating Google+ with Youtube comments since they essentially do the same thing and are best as a single system. (besides, the old comment system was awful) I do miss the old channel layouts, but I have no issue with the new one.
Title: Re: The Youtube Degradation Thread
Post by: Laggy Blazko on March 24, 2014, 10:55:58 PM
Quote from: "OtakuAlex"
I'd assume that the options being removed was to make it more appealing for those who aren't computer savvy or don't understand settings/options very well.
I really don't see how removing options could be a good idea in any way. Why wouldn't they organize them better, instead? Or just hide more advanced options unless one presses a button reading "advanced options" or something.
Title: Re: The Youtube Degradation Thread
Post by: Dr. Crasger on March 25, 2014, 04:37:22 AM
Quote from: "Laggy Blazko"
I really don't see how removing options could be a good idea in any way. Why wouldn't they organize them better, instead? Or just hide more advanced options unless one presses a button reading "advanced options" or something.

Their most advanced options right now are really not that advanced.

Quote from: "OtakuAlex"
I'd assume that the options being removed was to make it more appealing for those who aren't computer savvy or don't understand settings/options very well.

Well that's a terrible idea. I've found a retreat in the obscure. The fact that it used to be so complicated to work with gives me the joy of figuring things out for an entire afternoon. If you modify something for the mainstream then you'll lose your sense of individuality.

I've noticed that in most of the populated websites, they all look the same. The same "see more" buttons, the same interfaces; the same blank, white and grey backgrounds with very little color. Social networks are boring that way.
Title: Re: The Youtube Degradation Thread
Post by: OtakuAlex on March 26, 2014, 03:03:04 AM
Quote from: "Dr. Crasger"
Well that's a terrible idea. I've found a retreat in the obscure. The fact that it used to be so complicated to work with gives me the joy of figuring things out for an entire afternoon. If you modify something for the mainstream then you'll lose your sense of individuality.

I've noticed that in most of the populated websites, they all look the same. The same "see more" buttons, the same interfaces; the same blank, white and grey backgrounds with very little color. Social networks are boring that way.

That's exactly how I feel when games and websites try to go more mainstream. Sadly, though, they won't learn from their mistakes like a game company would. In gaming, going mainstream makes you just fade away into the crowd while in websites in makes everything more appealing to a wider range of people since they don't have to learn their way around as much. However, the lack of channel customization is the only change I actually hate that Google has made, I actually like the other changes they've made. (as I've said prior to this post)
Title: Re: The Youtube Degradation Thread
Post by: Dr. Crasger on March 26, 2014, 03:39:54 AM
Quote from: "OtakuAlex"
I actually like the other changes they've made. (as I've said prior to this post)

I do find some of them nice, yet other times; they're mostly nuisances.

Although some updates to the YouTube player has made it possible for me, a person with shitty internet capable of watching a 20-minute to 1 hour video. Other times, it changes the quality and repeals the buffering, to my chagrin.
Title: Re: The Youtube Degradation Thread
Post by: Watzup7856 on March 26, 2014, 05:56:37 AM
Quote from: "Geno"
For some reason, now to do ANYTHING with any video in the "Favourites" playlist, you need to move the video up to be the first on the list.

And you no longer can select multiple videos to do one thing at once for all of them.

Nor can you automatically send all selected videos onto a new playlist.

So.... yeah. Splitting up my Favourites list into multiple playlists in order to have more space went from taking under an hour to taking over a week.

EDIT: And, for some even stranger reason, I cannot even to ANYTHING with any videos at spots 101 and below.  :mad:

I have this same problem, except it's not with my favs, it's with my SSB4 music suggestions playlist. I can't edit or move any videos that are below 80.
Title: Re: The Youtube Degradation Thread
Post by: <geminibro> on March 26, 2014, 10:15:07 PM
Do you know whats annoying, really really really annoying?

When i have to sign in again just to post a comment.
Title: Re: The Youtube Degradation Thread
Post by: Watzup7856 on March 27, 2014, 04:33:25 AM
the most annoying thing for me right now is that youtube keeps switching to my gmail account i never use anymore without even telling me. i keep having to switch accounts over and over again
Title: Re: The Youtube Degradation Thread
Post by: Tfp BreakDown on March 27, 2014, 04:42:59 AM
I have noticed this as well but only on the mobile version. On the pc, it still says my channel name. As for comments, I never really comment on videos. Whenever I see a video I like I just like it and place it in a video playlist. Also I never knew you could rearrange videos in your playlists.
Title: Re: The Youtube Degradation Thread
Post by: Geno on March 27, 2014, 09:37:17 PM
On my computer, I have to keep switching to my actual YouTube account EVERY TIME

Also, they fixed that favourites issue, but now, a thing happened.

With one video

(click to show/hide)
As you can see, I stuck my mouse there to show a preview of what I SHOULD be seeing.

of course now i have no video guide on how to get to world a of sma2 thanks a lot google
Title: Re: The Youtube Degradation Thread
Post by: Geno on April 11, 2014, 02:47:07 AM
So I go to change my YouTube channel icon.
It tells me I have to do it on Google Plus.
Okay then. I change it there.
It says that it may take a few minutes to change
SEVERAL HOURS LATER

It hasn't (-_-)

Although it changed just fine if I look at my dashboard.
And the (mostly inaccessible, unusable) photos list in YouTube lists the new icon and the old icon too.
And it's fine on Google Plus as well.

Oh well, I'll just have to look in 12 hours, maybe that's long enough for YouTube to process a simple image replacement. (>_<)

EDIT: Oh, and also, I already tried logging out and logging in again, switching between accounts (which Google believes I need 3...), and CHANGING THE ICON 3 TIMES NOW.
On all the websites I'm on, I have changed to this icon (which I can't not use, help). YouTube is (and was) the only one that is putting up a fight to do it, and the only one that HASN'T changed!
Title: Re: The Youtube Degradation Thread
Post by: Dr. Crasger on April 11, 2014, 06:39:27 AM
Apparently the latest theme of all major software/websites is to make their product as confusing, annoying and impractical as possible. Look at Windows 8, 8.1, Google+ for reference.
Title: Re: The Youtube Degradation Thread
Post by: Rozark on April 11, 2014, 07:15:49 AM
Quote from: "Geno"
So I go to change my YouTube channel icon.
It tells me I have to do it on Google Plus.
Okay then. I change it there.
It says that it may take a few minutes to change
SEVERAL HOURS LATER

It hasn't (-_-)

Although it changed just fine if I look at my dashboard.
And the (mostly inaccessible, unusable) photos list in YouTube lists the new icon and the old icon too.
And it's fine on Google Plus as well.

Oh well, I'll just have to look in 12 hours, maybe that's long enough for YouTube to process a simple image replacement. (>_<)

EDIT: Oh, and also, I already tried logging out and logging in again, switching between accounts (which Google believes I need 3...), and CHANGING THE ICON 3 TIMES NOW.
On all the websites I'm on, I have changed to this icon (which I can't not use, help). YouTube is (and was) the only one that is putting up a fight to do it, and the only one that HASN'T changed!

The icons for Google Plus/Youtube are different; I learned that the hard way.
Basically I have a google plus account but it doesn't do anything for my youtube account/isn't even related to my youtube account.
It just sits there saying I need it when I really don't.
So yea whenever I want to change my icons I have to do it for both my google account AND my youtube account, as they're separate things.
Title: Re: The Youtube Degradation Thread
Post by: Geno on April 11, 2014, 01:09:06 PM
Well, the fact that YouTube doesn't even allow for modifying an icon on YouTube itself means I can't change at all.
Nutbunnies
Title: Re: The Youtube Degradation Thread
Post by: Dr. Crasger on April 11, 2014, 05:41:12 PM
These cases depend, seeing as someone has connected their account with their Google+ page.

If you haven't connected your account, then you have 2 user icons to worry about; if you had connected your account, then that means you'll only have 1, unless you created more pages. The other pages have their own usericons, but the one with your channel and your Google+ page will have only one. It takes a long freakin' time for YouTube to change to whatever you chose for Google+.

Whoever came up with this "intelligent" idea needs to be sacked. It's awfully impractical and just plain stupid.

SERIOUSLY.

What is up with software companies making their products' interfaces all buggy and hard to navigate? What the ever-loving-fuck happened to simple GUIs?!

Is it some industry standard? Who's paying them to do this? Have they lost faith in their customers all of a sudden? Have they gone to a power trip and realized that they can dominate the world by making people heed their will and bend to it? These products don't give the user control. They control the user.
Title: Re: The Youtube Degradation Thread
Post by: Russel on April 11, 2014, 06:06:51 PM
Well the more you complain about it, the less logical your complaints seem to be...

Seriously, if you think about it, Google is a database that is quickly becoming one of, if not already the largest in the world. Do you honestly expect two parts of the database that are saved independently to update instantly and simultaneously every time a single user changes their icon? No, that doesn't sound very logical.
As for the multitude of Google+ pages, a person has to make more than one Google account to do that, so it would make sense that they would have separate icons, being a user of Youtube from around the time when Google first purchased it, my account was linked to begin with and I had no problem with the changes to Youtube.

I do understand the complaint about navigation difficulty, when I went to change my Google password, I had to take some back door because there isn't really an option for it.
Title: Re: The Youtube Degradation Thread
Post by: Geno on June 27, 2014, 02:40:59 AM
bump

YouTube updated again.

At least for Canada. Dunno 'bout anyone else.

They changed the video window size things. The new "small" size is the same as the old "large" size, and the new "large" size is just the new "small" size with bars on the sides of it.

new small
(click to show/hide)

new large
(click to show/hide)

Notice the old size icons still being present, and the use of pointless bars in the "large" image

youtube why

yes i had to use that sm64 64dd one, on account that it's cool

wait, what does "how to eat fruit" have to do with an amazing gaming discovery???

Title: Re: The Youtube Degradation Thread
Post by: Jdude330 on June 27, 2014, 06:34:48 PM
Geno, we have it here in the states too. It feels like ordering a large pizza and getting a small in a large box. What is google going to do next, attack the search engine?Please google bot don't do it.
Also, Mobile is so bad, it literally CRASHES My Nokia Lumia 920, a very powerful windows phone.
Title: Re: The Youtube Degradation Thread
Post by: Bikdark on June 27, 2014, 09:34:32 PM
Instead of mindlessly assuming it's the new "large", take a second to mouse over the buttons and read the text.

"default view" and "theater mode"
Title: Re: The Youtube Degradation Thread
Post by: Geno on June 28, 2014, 01:54:07 AM
Yeah, well I as only referring to it as "small" and "large" because that's what it was replacing.
(Although to be fair, I didn't really make that clear in my post)
(Also, for some reason, the mouse hover-over text thing wasn't working for me at that time for some reason, works now though)
It's actually "cinema mode"
Also, just saying, but just saying that I was being "mindless" like that really bothers me, cause I wasn't.
Just was that the mouse-over text for that button wasn't working at the time that I posted.
Would there have been a possible way for you to word it to sound, I dunno, nicer?


Still, replacing a size change feature with a seemingly useless black bars feature is still dumb.
And removing the old default size is equally pointless. I actually preferred the small one over the large one!
Title: Re: The Youtube Degradation Thread
Post by: Tfp BreakDown on June 28, 2014, 02:03:56 AM
As long as you can still watch the video, that is all I need and what everyone else needs. Not bloody size changes for the video.
Title: Re: The Youtube Degradation Thread
Post by: Dr. Crasger on June 28, 2014, 02:42:07 AM
Although, for those with small monitor sizes and resolutions, they might need to scroll back to the left and to the right just to see the rest of the video on the new small size.

Also, what if some guy is watching a video on YouTube when he's not supposed to? He'd be caught red handed so easily.
(I know that in this hypothetical situation, the guy brought it upon himself, but still, that's a dick move in my book, Google.)

I don't care much about player sizes myself, but this has inconvenienced some who do.

Seriously though... "Theater Mode" is a stupid name for a screen size that just has black bars at the side. It's impractical.

Hell, lots of popular websites and services seem to be getting less and less practical and down-to-earth with each update issued. But we get used to it eventually, and when we do, they think that what they've done is in the right direction, so they continue down that path of impracticality.
Title: Re: The Youtube Degradation Thread
Post by: Bikdark on June 28, 2014, 03:16:52 AM
Quote from: "Dr. Crasger"
Although, for those with small monitor sizes and resolutions, they might need to scroll back to the left and to the right just to see the rest of the video on the new small size.
wot m8? Your resolution would have to be around the size of a screen of a phone to not be able to accommodate a youtube video. Even if you did have that shitty of a screen, ctrl + (=) or ctrl + (-) can make the site larger or smaller.
Also, what if some guy is watching a video on YouTube when he's not supposed to? He'd be caught red handed so easily.
yeah because the whole idea of youtube it to be discrete.
Seriously though... "Theater Mode" is a stupid name for a screen size that just has black bars at the side. It's impractical.
It's a "light's off" button. If you prefer a darker view, and dislike fullscreen mode, this is right up your alley. Or if you're like me, you use the option because it centers the video on your screen. It isn't impractical, it's a fucking option.
Hell, lots of popular websites and services seem to be getting less and less practical and down-to-earth with each update issued. But we get used to it eventually, and when we do, they think that what they've done is in the right direction, so they continue down that path of impracticality.
If the changes implemented were truly impractical, wouldn't people still be complaining about the changes made long ago? You say that the changes are bad with no reasoning to back them up besides "they're bad", then you stop complaining about them once you've "gotten used to them". This isn't a matter of impracticality, it's matter of you not liking change.
Title: Re: The Youtube Degradation Thread
Post by: OtakuAlex on June 28, 2014, 04:24:26 AM
I usually disagree with Bikdark entirely, but here I say "You win against your foe, good sir".

Seriously, though, those points are 100% valid and I still don't get why people keep bitching about YT's changes. I mean, seriously, most of these changes are for the better!
Title: Re: The Youtube Degradation Thread
Post by: Dr. Crasger on June 28, 2014, 04:33:21 AM
Well, Bikdark, gonna have to agree with 'ya a bit since most your points are valid and I do hate sudden changes of pace (who doesn't from time to time?).

I still find it impractical to release updates prematurely.
Lookin' at a few of YouTube's past updates, like the new comment system integrating the terribad G+ which everyone bitched about its broken-ness until everything got settled again.

Also, I think the reason people bitch about the updates so much is that it comes without warning or news. They ought to release a video or news post featuring the changelog with each new update then front-page it or something.

The updates just happen, and when it does, people are shocked, dazed and driven to unwarranted anger.
Title: Re: The Youtube Degradation Thread
Post by: *Alice on June 28, 2014, 06:34:54 AM
Hey! Listen!
Just open Youtube videos in separate windows and adjust the video size by adjusting the window size! Normal mode auto-scales!
Ironically, the new normal is pretty much exactly the same as the old normal for me.
Title: Re: The Youtube Degradation Thread
Post by: Dr. Crasger on June 28, 2014, 10:23:29 AM
I'd also like to point out this screen resolution update has not happened for the region I'm in.

Either it's that or Geno has her browser zoomed in or out or something.
Title: Re: The Youtube Degradation Thread
Post by: Geno on June 28, 2014, 11:44:07 AM
No, it can't be just me, as both Jdude and Bikdark both clearly stated (Bikdark less so) that the change effected them.
Since Jdude's is the clearest example, I'm only putting what he said.
Quote from: "Jdude330"
Geno, we have it here in the states too.
(Plus, I always have my browsers zoomed at 100%)

Also, just saying, but
Quote from: "Bikdark"
It's a "light's off" button. If you prefer a darker view, and dislike fullscreen mode, this is right up your alley. Or if you're like me, you use the option because it centers the video on your screen. It isn't impractical, it's a fucking option.
That makes sense, and I see how that could be useful for someone, but it's just odd how it doesn't actually cover the whole screen with the blackness, making "lights off" just seem like "black bars".

Although why they didn't have the old size options enabled with the cinema mode, I'll never know.
It's not like adding an extra button would be THAT hard, right?
Title: Re: The Youtube Degradation Thread
Post by: Dr. Crasger on June 28, 2014, 01:20:40 PM
Quote from: "Geno"
but it's just odd how it doesn't actually cover the whole screen with the blackness, making "lights off" just seem like "black bars".
How impractical of them.

Quote from: "Geno"
Although why they didn't have the old size options enabled with the cinema mode, I'll never know.
It's not like adding an extra button would be THAT hard, right?
Well hopefully, they'll patch that up...

... or not.

Hey, I hear Google+ is going to be shut down soon.