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Mega Man 8-bit Deathmatch => MM8BDM Discussion => Topic started by: CutmanMike on September 14, 2010, 10:41:11 AM

Title: Cut Stuff from the game
Post by: CutmanMike on September 14, 2010, 10:41:11 AM
No really! The following stuff has been cut from the game, within reason!

Item-2
Like Item-1, Item-2 was going to be a usable inventory item. It has been cut because I couldn't code it the way I wanted. It would have worked like it did in Mega Man 2, travelling over long distances. Rush Jet makes it redundant though.

Reggae
Reggae was the tingle of the game. You summon him, and he uses one of many attacks. Some of the attacks included summoning friendly Big Eyes to stomp your enemies, spewing spark shots in all directions, spewing fully charged atomic fire in all directions, spewing health or weapon energy, making it rain around him for a long period of time, firing QUICK MAN'S LASERS out of random walls, etc. It was all good fun but at the end of the day, it was too friggin' crazy. This isn't brawl after all, and considering some people actually play MM8BDM competitively (the demo), those players I assume would hate this. He also attracted players to grab him as soon as possible, just for the complete random nature of it. If you have a better idea for him, post now!

Treble
While not entirely "cut" from the game, Treble was planned, drawn and never actually put in. Why? Because I couldn't come up with a good idea for him. He would spawn in front of you and... then what? Treble boost is out of the question because not everyone is as compatible as bass (imagine hard man with those wings). Maybe he could be some kind of sentry. Who knows. I may save him for the expansion unless someone gets an amazing idea soon!

Cutgoth skin
Sure it would have been nice to leave my mark in the game, but there's enough of that in the credits. Not to mention it would give people an excuse to pretend to be me (enough of that goes on in other skulltag games).

Proto Shield v1
Proto Shield was originally an inventory item. It would have been used the way Proto Upgrade currently gives you a shield while it's equipped, but instead be usable with any weapon! The catch is that it would break after so long. It was removed because I couldn't get it to break after so many hits, and also certain weapons would be blocked by your OWN shield (e.g air shooter)

Alpha maps
The two maps in the alpha version of MM8BDM suck. Cut Man's was too much like a singleplayer level (too much jumping, not enough room) and Guts Man's level was too open and dull. I still have them but don't expect to see them in the game any time soon.

ETank regeneration animation
You know how in Mega Man when you use an etank, you see your life charge back up? Yeah that doesn't happen in MM8BDM, but it used to! It was took out because it was buggy, and was difficult to use effectively. It's a fast paced game, and you have to be quick on the healing to survive!
Title: Re: Cut Stuff from the game
Post by: FuPoo on September 14, 2010, 12:45:48 PM
I MISS RAGGAE CUTMAN  :(

at the very least make him come OUT of eddie. the ODDS of him coming out are pretty dam low with every weapon in the game -AND- the odds of him doing something USEFUL/COOL are pretty low too

i say he IN

who's with me

 :cool:  :cool:  :cool:  :cool:  :cool:  :cool:  :cool:  :cool:  :cool:

(http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i154/FuPoic/original_image.png)
Title: Re: Cut Stuff from the game
Post by: brotoad on September 14, 2010, 01:36:24 PM
maybe reggae would follow you for 5-10 seconds and contstantly shoot out a random weapon? length of time would be shorter if it's a more powerful weapon or wide range ones like gravity hold and rain flush.
Title: Re: Cut Stuff from the game
Post by: CutmanMike on September 14, 2010, 01:38:19 PM
Eddie kinda fill the random weapon role
Title: Re: Cut Stuff from the game
Post by: brotoad on September 14, 2010, 01:47:08 PM
yeah but with eddie he only give them to you, reggae would stand along side you giving you more range and stuff.
of course, maybe you could have an option whether or not you want to have rush or treble / eddie or reggae? i don't know if thats possable
Title: Re: Cut Stuff from the game
Post by: mugenmidget on September 14, 2010, 02:20:46 PM
Quote from: "FuPoo"
I MISS RAGGAE CUTMAN  :(

at the very least make him come OUT of eddie. the ODDS of him coming out are pretty dam low with every weapon in the game -AND- the odds of him doing something USEFUL/COOL are pretty low too

i say he IN

who's with me

 :cool:  :cool:  :cool:  :cool:  :cool:  :cool:  :cool:  :cool:  :cool:

(http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i154/FuPoic/original_image.png)
Bring back that Reggae music, mon!
Title: Re: Cut Stuff from the game
Post by: Max on September 14, 2010, 04:50:49 PM
Reggae should give you a random item.

Whilst Eddie gives you weapons, Reggae could give you buster upgrades, rush etc.

Unless Eddie gives you items too?
Title: Re: Cut Stuff from the game
Post by: PressStart on September 14, 2010, 05:52:28 PM
I HEAVILY support this Reggae outta Eddie notion. Chances are so slim you'll get him, but it'll feel good when ya do!
Title: Re: Cut Stuff from the game
Post by: KillerChair on September 14, 2010, 06:09:59 PM
Quote from: "Yellow Devil"
Reggae should give you a random item.

Whilst Eddie gives you weapons, Reggae could give you buster upgrades, rush etc.

Unless Eddie gives you items too?


I think this option is pretty good.

Also you could make Treble shooting bullets from its tail while standing still!
Sorta like Tango bounces and bashes.
Title: Re: Cut Stuff from the game
Post by: Mr. X on September 14, 2010, 07:14:00 PM
I think it should be opposite, Eddie gives you items while Reggae gives you weapons.  Thank God you removed Reggae's original purpose, though, that would have seriously ticked me off.  Usually with weapons like that, every time somebody else gets them, they're great, but when I get them, it's like the crappiest thing ever that happens.
Title: Re: Cut Stuff from the game
Post by: fadein on September 14, 2010, 07:59:47 PM
Quote from: "Mr. X"
I think it should be opposite, Eddie gives you items while Reggae gives you weapons.  Thank God you removed Reggae's original purpose, though, that would have seriously ticked me off.  Usually with weapons like that, every time somebody else gets them, they're great, but when I get them, it's like the crappiest thing ever that happens.

I second this notion.  Eddie always gave out basic items in the original.  This is in good keeping with the original NES versions
Title: Re: Cut Stuff from the game
Post by: CopShowGuy on September 14, 2010, 09:17:51 PM
Quote from: "Mr. X"
I think it should be opposite, Eddie gives you items while Reggae gives you weapons.

That makes quite a bit of sense.
Title: Re: Cut Stuff from the game
Post by: CutmanMike on September 14, 2010, 09:19:23 PM
A big bird throwing up weapons makes sense.....?  :shock:
Title: Re: Cut Stuff from the game
Post by: brawlman9876 on September 14, 2010, 09:23:05 PM
we could have treble dig up weapons. that makes more sense.
Title: Re: Cut Stuff from the game
Post by: CopShowGuy on September 14, 2010, 10:21:49 PM
Reggae works for Wily.  Of course he deals in weapons!  Afterall, he is the shopkeep for Bass.
Title: Re: Cut Stuff from the game
Post by: Korby on September 15, 2010, 03:09:05 AM
Just make sure that Eddie gives you a specific kind of ammo that gives to your lowest attack!
Title: Re: Cut Stuff from the game
Post by: Snake33AU on September 15, 2010, 05:17:25 AM
I always found that Eddie never gave me what I needed.
When I was low on health, he gave me a weapon capsule.
When I was low on ammo, he gave me health.
The 1-up was always a win/win (unless I wanted to die to restart the level, lol).
Title: Re: Cut Stuff from the game
Post by: CutmanMike on September 15, 2010, 08:13:16 AM
Eddie is staying the way he is god blammit  :p
Title: Re: Cut Stuff from the game
Post by: Namo on September 15, 2010, 09:24:55 AM
Treble could be like a rush spring that shoots you forward as you bounce up.
Title: Re: Cut Stuff from the game
Post by: CutmanMike on September 15, 2010, 09:27:23 AM
There's already 3 different "allow you to get somewhere else" items. I see treble as an attack dog. I would have had him charge around like in Power Battles but Tango does that already (and does it well!)
Title: Re: Cut Stuff from the game
Post by: Namo on September 15, 2010, 09:28:41 AM
Hm, fair enough.  Okay, for Reggae:

Eddie gives out items, right?  Like Energy and Health and E tanks.  How about Reggae gives you weapons?
Title: Re: Cut Stuff from the game
Post by: CutmanMike on September 15, 2010, 09:44:31 AM
Eddie gives you weapons and items  ;)
Title: Re: Cut Stuff from the game
Post by: Namo on September 15, 2010, 09:48:41 AM
Oh.  I'll think of something! :ugeek:
Title: Re: Cut Stuff from the game
Post by: Mr. X on September 15, 2010, 01:13:29 PM
Quote from: "Namo"
Hm, fair enough.  Okay, for Reggae:

Eddie gives out items, right?  Like Energy and Health and E tanks.  How about Reggae gives you weapons?

You're a page too late with that idea.
Title: Re: Cut Stuff from the game
Post by: TrueTenguMan on September 15, 2010, 01:38:26 PM
Tengu Man must think of everything?! BRILLIANT!!!


Ok seriously... well I suggest making Reggae the opposite of Eddie, though in the terms of either screwing the player over but giving him/her an advantage. Similar to the "?" tanks in MM 3, Reggae should always give you this, and the random item popping out should vary in these effects...

Weapons: All weapons given by Reggae should have Weapon depletion doubled... HOWEVER!!! The effect doubles the overall power of the weapon given until the weapon runs out of energy.

Items: Health and weapon capsules:

Simple I guess... all health capsules will drain health  (depending on the size) but replenish weapon energy for every weapon in your arsenal. Now let me explain this... say if you have about 5-10 HP and you picked up a health capsule from Reggae. It shouldn't kill you at all but leave you with at least 1 HP left.
Weapon capsules of course drain weapons (similar to Reggae's health capsules) but replenish health. Doesn't matter if your WE is low... you pick this up, say good bye to whats left of it.

Tanks: These things should pop out very rarely (and I mean VERY mortal) mainly because they're the double-edge sword of fun and tears.

E-tanks should grant the player invincibility for a short while, but drains your health until you left with one HP.

W-Tanks, similar to E-tanks, grant the player unlimited energy for a short while, but once the limit is reached, all your weapons disappear.
==============================================
To avoid confusion of course, the sprites of these items should be recolored ((similar to the attire of the dark chips in Battle Network)).

So...

Does Tengu get his 12 pack of E-Tanks now mister Mike?
Title: Re: Cut Stuff from the game
Post by: CutmanMike on September 15, 2010, 01:41:12 PM
Uhh, you can finish off what's left of my E-tank!  :geek:

But seriously I'd like Reggae to do something that messes other players up more than anything. That was his role in rock board, negative effects on other players (I think). Maybe he should just sit there and laugh at you  :p
Title: Re: Cut Stuff from the game
Post by: brotoad on September 15, 2010, 01:45:13 PM
maybe treble could pounce forward a couple times that deals heavy damage? as for reggae, if you can't fit him as an item, give him a cameo in one of the wily stages! maybe in the area on woodmans stage where the atomic chickens run across, he would very rarely run with them!

maybe when you summon him he would do something like flying in front of a player and absorbing all their atatcks while laughing at them like the little bastard he is.

EDIT: maybe he would appear to the player who comes last to laugh at them!
Title: Re: Cut Stuff from the game
Post by: TrueTenguMan on September 15, 2010, 01:50:54 PM
Quote from: "CutmanMike"
Uhh, you can finish off what's left of my E-tank!  :geek:

But seriously I'd like Reggae to do something that messes other players up more than anything. That was his role in rock board, negative effects on other players (I think). Maybe he should just sit there and laugh at you  :p

Whatever works out for you man. Take all the ideas that would fit for this obnoxious crow.
Title: Re: Cut Stuff from the game
Post by: KillerChair on September 15, 2010, 03:57:33 PM
You could also make Reggae drain weapon energy of all he pokes.
Title: Re: Cut Stuff from the game
Post by: Korby on September 15, 2010, 06:31:03 PM
Quote from: "KillerChair"
You could also make Reggae drain weapon energy of all he pokes.
That, or make him drain the weapon energy of enemies in a small sphere around him, with the borders on the ground/wall marked by some sort of effect. Perhaps feathers.
Title: Re: Cut Stuff from the game
Post by: Mr. X on September 15, 2010, 07:11:41 PM
Have Reggae steal health from other players and give it to you.
Title: Re: Cut Stuff from the game
Post by: PressStart on September 15, 2010, 07:38:06 PM
Quote from: "CutmanMike"
But seriously I'd like Reggae to do something that messes other players up more than anything. That was his role in rock board, negative effects on other players (I think). Maybe he should just sit there and laugh at you  :p

NO CUTMAN

In Rockboard you DON'T want Reggae cards cuz they do bad effects to YOU if ya get em!
Title: Re: Cut Stuff from the game
Post by: KillerChair on September 15, 2010, 08:53:33 PM
Quote from: "Mr. X"
Have Reggae steal health from other players and give it to you.

I think thats a good idea aswell... or that for treble.
Title: Re: Cut Stuff from the game
Post by: TrueTenguMan on September 15, 2010, 09:55:42 PM
Quote from: "PressStart"
Quote from: "CutmanMike"
But seriously I'd like Reggae to do something that messes other players up more than anything. That was his role in rock board, negative effects on other players (I think). Maybe he should just sit there and laugh at you  :p

NO CUTMAN

In Rockboard you DON'T want Reggae cards cuz they do bad effects to YOU if ya get em!

Hence why I suggested Reggae to be like a double-edge sword. The bird gives you stuff that'll screw you over after getting them but you'll get something good afterwards (or the other way around).
Quote from: "Mr. X"
Have Reggae steal health from other players and give it to you.

I actually like that. He could probably dive at said targeted player, then carry what looks like a Health Capsule while mocking the player upon his flee back to you.
Title: Re: Cut Stuff from the game
Post by: Snake33AU on September 17, 2010, 06:52:55 PM
Noobish question, but in which game did Reggae first appear?
Title: Re: Cut Stuff from the game
Post by: Max on September 17, 2010, 07:21:50 PM
Wily and Right's rockboard. Then in Megaman 7, and again in 10.

Really, really minor character like Tango.
Title: Re: Cut Stuff from the game
Post by: Snake33AU on September 17, 2010, 07:49:13 PM
Never heard of the first game you mentioned, and yeah, i didn't see him in MM7 =S MM10 he appears with Bass I am guessing? Tango i heard was in the gameboy games? Thanks for clearing that up, coz I didn't know who this reggae bird was.  :)
Title: Re: Cut Stuff from the game
Post by: Max on September 17, 2010, 07:51:07 PM
Wily and Right's rockboard : That's paradise was a NES game released only in japan. It used a monopoly like board game style, and Reggae was a bad card you wouldn't want to get.

Reggae appears a lot in Megamix, too.
Title: Re: Cut Stuff from the game
Post by: brotoad on September 17, 2010, 09:10:04 PM
in megaman 7, reggae laughs at you if you put in a wrong password!
Title: Re: Cut Stuff from the game
Post by: Snake33AU on September 18, 2010, 06:00:00 AM
What an ass! I don't think I want Reggae in this game anymore, lol.
Nah, I can't really comment coz I don't know what he really does, so you guys decide.

Ahh Yellow devil, there must have been heaps of games that never left Japan's shores. The original Contra had cut scenes and moving trees! It's on a youtube video I think (original NES Contra I mean).
Title: Re: Cut Stuff from the game
Post by: Crystal King on September 18, 2010, 02:01:49 PM
Well, I got a few ideas for Reggae. Making Reggae an annoyance could probably be done if you made him like Beat, in such a way that he violently pecks away at those near (like Megaman 5, or was it 6? My memory is horrid today). Or, maybe we could make Reggae into a turret that flies near you. He fires an extra of whatever you're firing in the same direction. Maybe Reggae could attach itself to a player and slow them down, making them an easy target. The targeted player, if he/she manages to escape, would slowly lose some health (but not enough to kill anyone with at least half or more health or so) until Reggae disappears.

Also, I like Mr. X's idea of stealing heath as well.
Title: Re: Cut Stuff from the game
Post by: CopShowGuy on September 18, 2010, 05:02:58 PM
I don't like the idea of gradually losing health.  Lives in Skulltag go too fast as it is.
Title: Re: Cut Stuff from the game
Post by: Copy Robot on September 19, 2010, 12:46:55 AM
Not sure if this is possible, but it would be interesting:
Reggae could make your character stay the default Mega Buster color so no one knows what weapon your using (except obviously if you're using it).
Title: Re: Cut Stuff from the game
Post by: brawlman9876 on September 19, 2010, 03:31:59 AM
he could steal weapons, like say you have the quick boomerang and he steals it from you, or something (like the boo from mario kart =D)
Title: Re: Cut Stuff from the game
Post by: Max on September 19, 2010, 10:39:44 AM
Quote from: "brawlman9876"
he could steal weapons, like say you have the quick boomerang and he steals it from you, or something (like the boo from mario kart =D)

This.
It would be mildly annoying but not game breaking, perfect.
Title: Re: Cut Stuff from the game
Post by: brotoad on September 19, 2010, 11:23:08 AM
i like the item stealing idea but personally i don't think it really matters. Reggae is such an obscure character, only us hardcore megafans have heard of him!
Title: Re: Cut Stuff from the game
Post by: Max on September 19, 2010, 11:27:12 AM
Quote from: "brotoad"
Reggae is such an obscure character, only us hardcore megafans have heard of him!

The same could be said for Tango, he's in isn't he?
Unless Mike cut him, too :(
Title: Re: Cut Stuff from the game
Post by: KillerChair on September 19, 2010, 12:21:46 PM
Tango is in it! who else could has a cheeseburger in the game?

Also I think Treble would have to be in... I think brotoad had a descent idea for making him pounce a couple of times.
Title: Re: Cut Stuff from the game
Post by: brotoad on September 19, 2010, 01:22:22 PM
tango is actually a decent weapon in game though, he hops around the screen and homes in on people, just like the game he was in. didn't take much thought. reggae will take alot of thought to make into a useful item, but probably isn't worth it due to the fact he is so obscure.
Title: Re: Cut Stuff from the game
Post by: squidgy617 on September 19, 2010, 03:11:57 PM
Quote from: "brawlman9876"
he could steal weapons, like say you have the quick boomerang and he steals it from you, or something (like the boo from mario kart =D)
YUSH

And brotoad, he's totally worth it. I love Reggae, and if Tango gets some love, shouldn't he?
Title: Re: Cut Stuff from the game
Post by: Max on September 19, 2010, 03:16:09 PM
So we're all agreed then.

any ideas for treble?
Title: Re: Cut Stuff from the game
Post by: Snake33AU on September 19, 2010, 03:27:50 PM
Was wondering if Eddie gives out health or ammo and Reggae a random weapon?

As for Treble, I'm guessing the jet adapter is out of the question as we already have Rush Jet? Unless treble too works like Eddie (or Rush Search? in MM7) where he finds a random item? If he attacks though, not sure how it could work? hmmm.

Would it be funny or just plain annoying if one of the characters spawned one of those spikey balls, when you were expecting a weapon? (instant death on touch?). But it disappears once someone has touched it (to avoid littering the stage with them, lol).

Not sure, I've run out of ideas at the moment.
Title: Re: Cut Stuff from the game
Post by: Mr. X on September 19, 2010, 03:28:52 PM
Quote from: "brawlman9876"
he could steal weapons, like say you have the quick boomerang and he steals it from you, or something (like the boo from mario kart =D)

Yeah, but what if you already have the weapon?  It would only matter if he stole something that's really hard to get.  It would be better if he stole items.
Title: Re: Cut Stuff from the game
Post by: Max on September 19, 2010, 03:32:30 PM
I got an idea.

Treble should give you a lil cure like he did to Bass in MM10, making you temporarily invincible. Like 10 secs or so  :?
Title: Re: Cut Stuff from the game
Post by: brotoad on September 19, 2010, 03:40:05 PM
skull barrier already grants temporary invincibility!
Title: Re: Cut Stuff from the game
Post by: Max on September 19, 2010, 03:42:32 PM
But treble lets you attack!
Title: Re: Cut Stuff from the game
Post by: Korby on September 19, 2010, 03:59:23 PM
I vote MM7-esque and just have him peck at the nearest enemy.
Title: Re: Cut Stuff from the game
Post by: brawlman9876 on September 19, 2010, 04:28:44 PM
Quote from: "Mr. X"
Quote from: "brawlman9876"
he could steal weapons, like say you have the quick boomerang and he steals it from you, or something (like the boo from mario kart =D)

Yeah, but what if you already have the weapon?  It would only matter if he stole something that's really hard to get.  It would be better if he stole items.
he could only get a weapon that you DONT have from a random person, and if no one has a weapon you dont have you get NOTHING! its a dud and then he laughs at you for wasting his item use.
Title: Re: Cut Stuff from the game
Post by: KillerChair on September 19, 2010, 08:55:56 PM
Treble could also just run by every few minutes in a couple of maps dropping a weapon... then he wont be a item but a random appearance.

Just a thought.
Title: Re: Cut Stuff from the game
Post by: CutmanMike on September 21, 2010, 02:52:51 PM
Quote from: "brawlman9876"
he could steal weapons, like say you have the quick boomerang and he steals it from you, or something (like the boo from mario kart =D)

This. This is a fab idea.

Edit: Damn, while it's a good idea I don't think I can implement it. It seems getting the player's current weapon and taking it away isn't as easy as I thought  :|
Title: Re: Cut Stuff from the game
Post by: CopShowGuy on September 21, 2010, 04:10:37 PM
What about just any weapon?
Title: Re: Cut Stuff from the game
Post by: CutmanMike on September 21, 2010, 04:37:35 PM
At random? It would be hard to keep track of what inventory the player has at all. The only other option is to take ALL inventory  :shock:
Title: Re: Cut Stuff from the game
Post by: TrueTenguMan on September 21, 2010, 05:33:24 PM
Been thinking about this for awhile but it seems Treble really doesn't have any practical use in this. Of course maybe this may suffice thanks to some of the suggestions given here and combining them together, so credit should go to them more...
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Treble

Item Status: Assault

Duration: 30.00 seconds

Item appearance: Rare ((uncommon))

Info: I'd say the function of Treble should work similar to how it was implemented in Power Fighters, though with some add ons that make's him worth hunting down.

First off when using the Treble item, he should normally follow you around and attack any enemies near by with his mouth cannon. However your only limited to using your Mega Buster in this state. Since Treble is giving you covering fire, the target will have no choice but to either do some creative dodging or flee from the plethora of bullets.

Sounds crappy and pointless? Thats just the neutral use of this weapon mortal...

What if your opponent is too jump happy or hyper in movement? Treble should eliminate that. By pressing the "use" key (( the command key that you use for opening doors or pressing buttons in normal doom stages)), Treble will pounce on the enemy in your cross-hair. If contact is made, then the player's speed is cut and jumping is disabled until you shake him off ((by pressing the jump button enough times of course. I'd say about 15 presses will work)). The pounce hold should do about 2 points of damage on contact, but only when he hits you, not when holding you down for the duration of the time. The pounce command can be used multiple times if contact failed, however if the player was pounced and then successfully shakes Treble off ((or was killed failing to do so)) then you cannot use pounce again considering the time limit he has.
===============================================

Your call. Yay or nay man :p

EDIT ((Oct 1 2010)): Since the Pounce Hold Idea turned out to be a hell of a lot of coding involved, half of the idea as been cut down to make it a more code friendly idea. The basic pounce Idea was suggest by Korby and possibly a few others in this topic so yeah. Like I said, I was just mixing stuff together to make Treble more useful.
Title: Re: Cut Stuff from the game
Post by: KillerChair on September 21, 2010, 06:41:41 PM
I say nice one! though button bashing will be a requirement for playing on treble maps then.
Title: Re: Cut Stuff from the game
Post by: Mr. X on September 21, 2010, 07:04:28 PM
Quote from: "TrueTenguMan"
Duration: .30 seconds

.3 seconds?  That's a tad bit short, don't you think? ;)

Anyways, it sounds cool, but it also sounds like a programming nightmare.
Title: Re: Cut Stuff from the game
Post by: TrueTenguMan on September 21, 2010, 07:17:10 PM
Quote from: "Mr. X"
Quote from: "TrueTenguMan"
Duration: .30 seconds

.3 seconds?  That's a tad bit short, don't you think? ;)

Anyways, it sounds cool, but it also sounds like a programming nightmare.

Oops. Yeah I should fix that :p

Anyway I figured hypothetically if it were to be accepted, the process would be chaos ((especially the AI :shock: )). I just wanted to put stuff together and come out with something that wasn't crap decorated with jewels if you know what I mean. Honestly the closest thing I think Treble may get if Mike permits it is a cameo appearance if not an item.
Title: Re: Cut Stuff from the game
Post by: Korby on September 21, 2010, 07:21:35 PM
You could just make him tackle attack like Rush does in power fighters when use is pressed for a less....coding nightmare item.
Title: Re: Cut Stuff from the game
Post by: TrueTenguMan on September 21, 2010, 07:34:34 PM
Quote from: "Korby"
You could just make him tackle attack like Rush does in power fighters when use is pressed for a less....coding nightmare item.

Kinda like my pounce hold idea but...

Yeah! It can still have the whole " Point cross-hair at target, then press "Use" button to have Treble charge" idea to it. Either way it still leaves the player to torment his opponents :P
Title: Re: Cut Stuff from the game
Post by: Max on September 21, 2010, 07:49:48 PM
The "use" key isn't used anywhere in the game. Seems silly to implement the button just for trebz.
Title: Re: Cut Stuff from the game
Post by: Ivory on September 21, 2010, 07:53:01 PM
Quote from: "Yellow Devil"
The "use" key isn't used anywhere in the game. Seems silly to implement the button just for trebz.

but it will. Dun Dun Dunnnnnn
Title: Re: Cut Stuff from the game
Post by: Max on September 21, 2010, 07:58:01 PM
....
Oh yeah. Items.
Title: Re: Cut Stuff from the game
Post by: playerman on November 17, 2010, 11:31:49 AM
what if Reggae flew into an enemy and throw his/her Weapons in random directions.
Title: Re: Cut Stuff from the game
Post by: Max on November 17, 2010, 04:18:10 PM
What if you didn't bump a two month old topic?

PM Mike or something.
Title: Re: Cut Stuff from the game
Post by: playerman on November 17, 2010, 04:26:45 PM
Quote from: "Yellow Devil"
What if you didn't bump a two month old topic?

PM Mike or something.
why did you bump a two month old topic?
Title: Re: Cut Stuff from the game
Post by: Max on November 17, 2010, 04:28:41 PM
Yellow Devil Tue Sep 21, 2010 7:58 pm          
 
playerman Wed Nov 17, 2010 11:31 am
 

It's all my fault... mmhm.
Title: Re: Cut Stuff from the game
Post by: CutmanMike on November 17, 2010, 04:35:43 PM
The topic can still be discussed, it's not like it's going to hurt anyone by being bumped. If it was an old release topic or something, then you can whine about it ;)
Title: Re: Cut Stuff from the game
Post by: Max on November 17, 2010, 04:37:38 PM
I have been counter whined!

time to shift strategies...

Mike, can you put Treble into the MM7 expansion? I had an awesome idea for him. He stands still, where you summon him, and basically tracks the nearest person with a laser beam. I think he did this in The Power Fighters. It should be verrry powerful but also slow so people can circle strafe him and he'd only get unaware players.
Title: Re: Cut Stuff from the game
Post by: CutmanMike on November 17, 2010, 04:49:41 PM
I thought in power battles he dashed at the enemy and did damage? I would have done that, but tango fills that roll already.
Title: Re: Cut Stuff from the game
Post by: Max on November 17, 2010, 04:50:36 PM
He was a pickup like rush, but he was for bass and he fired his lasor! I'll look for a vid!

And he's not Tango! He's a very cool idea :3

Here's Treble's sprites, including his fire lazor because I couldn't find any videos (http://www.sprites-inc.co.uk/files/Classic/Bass/BFPF/)
Title: Re: Cut Stuff from the game
Post by: brotoad on November 17, 2010, 05:17:47 PM
i have an idea for reggae, he would very rarely appear instead of eddie and do something bad, like taking 3 bars of damage away or blocking your vision, afterall, he was a bad item to get in rockboard!
Title: Re: Cut Stuff from the game
Post by: Phlatuabekft on November 17, 2010, 05:21:19 PM
Quote from: "brotoad"
i have an idea for reggae, he would very rarely appear instead of eddie and do something bad, like taking 3 bars of damage away or blocking your vision, afterall, he was a bad item to get in rockboard!

Maybe in a CTF map he would be in all the shortcuts and automatically be used when touched.
Title: Re: Cut Stuff from the game
Post by: RenegadeX5 on November 17, 2010, 05:53:59 PM
*chin-taps* Here's an idea for Treble...


What if...

Treble gets summoned and you have a horde of enemies dashing at you. Treble lands and lets out a loud roar/howl that literally blasts enemies back. Kinda like a wide-spread Tornado Storm... just a thought.
Title: Re: Cut Stuff from the game
Post by: Myroc on November 17, 2010, 05:57:15 PM
I'd like the earlier idea that Reggae appears very rarely instead of Eddie. Allows him to still be in older maps.

I like the "random effect" idea that was his original use, although the various effects should probably be tweaked, so it's not as rage-inducing such as quickbeams out of random walls.
Title: Re: Cut Stuff from the game
Post by: PressStart on November 17, 2010, 05:57:43 PM
Quote from: "RenegadeX5"
*chin-taps* Here's an idea for Treble...


What if...

Treble gets summoned and you have a horde of enemies dashing at you. Treble lands and lets out a loud roar/howl that literally blasts enemies back. Kinda like a wide-spread Tornado Storm... just a thought.
I like this idea!
Title: Re: Cut Stuff from the game
Post by: Korby on November 17, 2010, 05:58:38 PM
So essentially it will act like Sjas's right click, but doesn't make you immortal for a short time?
Cool.
Title: Re: Cut Stuff from the game
Post by: RenegadeX5 on November 17, 2010, 06:56:52 PM
Quote from: "PressStart"
Quote from: "RenegadeX5"
*chin-taps* Here's an idea for Treble...


What if...

Treble gets summoned and you have a horde of enemies dashing at you. Treble lands and lets out a loud roar/howl that literally blasts enemies back. Kinda like a wide-spread Tornado Storm... just a thought.
I like this idea!

Only problem is "Will it be useful in combat?"
My answer: Yes.

Most levels have pit-traps, spike traps, etc. Imagine if you use Treble and literally SHOVED them into said traps? [E.G. Airman's stage, Bomb-man's stage, bubble-man's stage, etc.] Plus it'll give you some breathing room to dash away, get ammo/health/items/etc.

It'll be EXCEPTIONALLY useful in Roboenza. Get the zombies to "Back off!"
Title: Re: Cut Stuff from the game
Post by: playerman on November 17, 2010, 07:46:13 PM
Reggae should have various aleatory negative effects, like increasing the prices from properties, taking away Zenny from the player or destroying a building.
Or summon forcebeams from all walls in the stage :twisted:
Title: Re: Cut Stuff from the game
Post by: Max on November 17, 2010, 07:54:25 PM
You realise the stuff you mentioned isn't in the game? Forcebeams is cool but overpowered and annoying.
Title: Re: Cut Stuff from the game
Post by: RenegadeX5 on November 17, 2010, 08:21:25 PM
*Grabs a drill and fixes*

Quote from: "playerman"
Reggae should have various aleatory negative effects, like increasing the ammo required for weapons and decreasing the amount of ammo you gain with each pickup. Or possibly removing an item/weapon from inventory
Title: Re: Cut Stuff from the game
Post by: Myroc on November 17, 2010, 09:21:32 PM
In my opinion, any random effects that Reggae has should be nonlethal. It should be a support item, not a weapon item that works 20% of the time and does other stuff 80% of the time. It should also have everyone being afflicted by equal effects, including the person using it.

Disregarding skulltag limitations, various example effects could be:

Everyone near Reggae:

Has their health restored to full.
Has the ammo for the current weapon depleted instantly.
Has the ammo for ALL their weapons depleted instantly.
Gets their current weapons exchanged. Were you just wreaking havoc with water wave? Not anymore, you're now wielding that dude over there's Gyro Attack, while he has the Power Stone from that other dude.
Gets equipped with a random weapon. Everyone gets the same. (Suddenly, napalm bombs everywhere!)
Gets tossed around as if they were hit by Wind Storm. (Only potentially lethal.)
Title: Re: Cut Stuff from the game
Post by: Wil on November 18, 2010, 08:17:18 PM
mah ideaz

Reggae: He does absolutely nothing and simply laughs at whoever is near. He counts as a solid object, so you can technically use him as a barge or something, like putting it in a low passage so nobody can pass. You only get this item from Eddie or rarely in MM7 or MM10 stages

Treble: Stands there for a while, and then suddenly launches himself at the nearest person and mauls them. Treble sitting there counts as using WE, and it takes out about 3/4 of your health when it latches onto you. Cannot be removed until runs out of WE. Will not launch again if you put on more WE, you must die and re-obtain the item if you wish to use it again. However, it will chill there while you have WE and have already used it, if you want to use it like Reggae.

also can someone please send me the alpha version? i have high interest in playing such a thing
Title: Re: Cut Stuff from the game
Post by: Relias on November 20, 2010, 06:12:49 AM
For Reggae, I like the idea of him spawning and laughing as Wil said, but any enemies nearby when he does so will have their screens covered with feathers and move more slowly for a few seconds, as he flaps up and away.  Like, a total annoyance/debuff move.  The feathers probably wouldn't cover the screen as fully as Flash Stopper's flash but just make things annoying.

Treble should give the Treble Boost, just don't add the 'wing' part; give the player the purple color palette and have all their attacks become very powerful 3-simultaneous-burst blasts (that are of course horizontal as opposed to the game's vertical); they're slow to fire but very powerful, especially if you're clos enough to hit someone with all three.  Maybe also give them a double-jump or however the Rush Adapter's jetpack function works, so it could be like an alternative to that item.
Title: Re: Cut Stuff from the game
Post by: Wil on November 20, 2010, 10:30:21 PM
I'm still very interested in obtaining the alpha of this game :D
Title: Re: Cut Stuff from the game
Post by: Accel on November 21, 2010, 11:29:44 AM
Quote from: "RenegadeX5"
*chin-taps* Here's an idea for Treble...


What if...

Treble gets summoned and you have a horde of enemies dashing at you. Treble lands and lets out a loud roar/howl that literally blasts enemies back. Kinda like a wide-spread Tornado Storm... just a thought.

Dear god. THIS. We need this, just make it have a very long respawn time, like Eddie's otherwise it will be abused to hell. I mean, great idea, but if the respawn for the weapon drop isn't long, this could get broken.
Title: Re: Cut Stuff from the game
Post by: RenegadeX5 on November 21, 2010, 07:17:28 PM
*scritches on note-pad*
Press Start approves and so does Accel...
Title: Re: Cut Stuff from the game
Post by: Hallan Parva on November 23, 2010, 09:18:18 PM
Quote from: "Myroc"
Everyone near Reggae:

Gets their current weapons exchanged. Were you just wreaking havoc with water wave? Not anymore, you're now wielding that dude over there's Gyro Attack, while he has the Power Stone from that other dude.

^ THIS

This would be HILARIOUS! The only problem would be if you already had the weapon you randomly receive. Also, the way you worded it was great :D
Title: Re: Cut Stuff from the game
Post by: wildvine47 on November 24, 2010, 01:00:04 AM
Another thing Reggae could maybe do is perch on the shoulders of the nearest person when you summon him.  That person would then run much slower and wouldn't be able to jump (or maybe just not be able to jump very high).
Title: Re: Cut Stuff from the game
Post by: Zombie on November 24, 2010, 07:46:10 AM
I thought that all Item 2 would be was a Rush Jet you couldn't control that went faster. You deploy it as an sprite, jump on it, and it goes sailing twoards whatever you point it at like a projectile. It hits the wall and explodes like a drill bomb.
Title: Re: Cut Stuff from the game
Post by: Ivory on November 24, 2010, 07:49:39 AM
Your missing the point. There was no way to code "sticking" to the Item 2. You know the guts platforms? It's like that, You'd have to move with it. Not fun.
Title: Re: Cut Stuff from the game
Post by: chuggaafan1 on November 27, 2010, 01:48:40 PM
Reggae:Makes a loud noise to annoy and harm the players in the range of rain flush.(That is what happened when wily first built him)
Treble:He locks on to a player and locks them down leaving them open to attacks.(That is sorta what wolves do)
Item 2:Spawns in front of you and you can place an explosive(like Megaman vs met) or it would be an explosive.
Title: Re: Cut Stuff from the game
Post by: ice on November 28, 2010, 06:58:23 AM
is it posible to make item 2 like rushjet + wave runner? (just an idea)
Title: Re: Cut Stuff from the game
Post by: KillerChair on November 28, 2010, 01:38:16 PM
That might be a good idea... but they'd have to be less fast for easier movement.
Title: Re: Cut Stuff from the game
Post by: Mr. Sean Nelson on November 30, 2010, 08:43:27 PM
I think it all worked out okay.
Title: Re: Cut Stuff from the game
Post by: Mr. X on November 30, 2010, 08:51:05 PM
Why do you even need Item-2?  It's Rush Jet but worse.  Pretty pointless if you ask me.
Title: Re: Cut Stuff from the game
Post by: Asd967 on November 30, 2010, 09:43:01 PM
Ayup, but a worse Rush Jet is all we need, frankly.

Anyone who gets a Rush Jet using that to attack from above, is MUCH harder to hit. And is zany repeatable, because of the fast item regeneration.
Title: Re: Cut Stuff from the game
Post by: LordZero on December 03, 2010, 04:56:25 PM
So, here are my ideas for Reggae.
1. Weapons mix-up. Steals all weapons they don't currently use from player(s) and does it sneaky - no one will notice until (s)he tries to switch weapons.
2.Reggae wall. Spawns a wall in front of player(s), maybe wall will chase you, block your sight and prevent you from going forward.
3. Reggae gun giveaway. Takes all weapons from player(s) and replaces those with a Reggae gun. The Reggae gun can:
____
    1. Do nothing. You hear a *poof* and your weapon energy goes down while using it.
    2. Shoot a powerful insta-killing shot (only 3 times, then the gun will break). It's very rare.
    3. Explode. It kills the user and players near him. It's a bit more rare than *poof*.
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4. Reggae bounce. Player(s) bounce (gyro man/mr. X stages) in a random direction.
5. Reggae RANDOMIZE!!! Players switch places and exchange weapons and items (no one will ever know what he'll get until he sees it).
P.S. By player(s) i mean ANY player.