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Title: Cutstuff Mapping Jam 2: FALCON JOINS THE FIGHT!
Post by: Dr. Freeman on August 29, 2014, 05:00:21 PM

YO YO YO PICK UP THE PACK HERE!
http://www.best-ever.org/download?file=falconmappack.pk3
OH AND CAUSE I'M AN IDIOT THE README IS BROKEN
BUT WHATEVS

Oh and in case you want to know who made these super fast maps.
FALCON01- Made by Dr. Freeman
FALCON02- Made by Copy Robot
FALCON03- Made by Rozark
FALCON04- Made by Korby
FALCON05- Made by Jack Corvus
FALCON06- Made by Beed28
FALCON07- Made by Yuri Sakazaki
FALCON08- Made by SmashBroPlusB
FALCON09- Made by Caprice
FALCON10- Made by Gumballtoid
FALCON11- Made by Maxine
FALCON12- Made by Mendez
FALCON13- Made by Nemu
FALCON14- Made by Lego
FALCON15- Made by LlamaHombre


old post yo

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Hello everyone, I'm Dr. Freeman. Today, we gotta go fast.

Welcome to the
CUTSTUFF MAPPING JAM 2: THE CAPTAIN FALCONING

SHUT UP FREEMAN WE JUST FINISHED THE FREAKING SLAM JAM GET OUT OF HERE!

Ok, let's wait for a bit.

So the normal game jam is that you have to get in groups and make a game in a limited time span. We just got done with the groups.
So let's get with the speed.

IT'S LABOR DAY WEEKEND!
AND WHAT BETTER WAY TO SPEND YOUR VACATION THEN MAKING MAPS FOR A MEGA MAN RELATED DOOM MOD?!

The goal of this jam is to make a map in 48 Hours! No more than that!
THAT'S RIGHT! 48 HOURS! THIS ISN'T PLAYTIME AT THE PARK!
THIS IS A MAPPING
SPEEEEEEDRUN

BUT GOODNESS GRACIOUS FREEMAN THERE'S A FEW THINGS YOU NEED TO GO OVER!

You'll be moving at the speed of light to hopefully obtain this sexy medal!
(http://www.cutstuff.net/forum/images/medals/badge4.gif)

Unless certain things don't apply, then you can just get another Fun Medal.
CAUSE IT'S FUN!

BUT WAIT FREEMAN?! DON'T REALLY GOOD MAPS TAKE TIME?!
OF COURSE THEY DO!
BUT WE GOT NO TIME TODAY!


Ok serious time, here are some general guidelines.
-You may use any texture you want as long as it's 8 bit you dumbo. Custom or not custom whatevs.
-You have 48 Hours to make the map, design, weapons, and all that jazz.
-Also put some 8 bit song on your map. No need for boss themes however.
-While maps probably won't be god tier quality because the limited time span, if you submit a box or some obvious piece of crap, get out of here, I'm not taking it.

At the end of the day, I'll shove all the maps in a pack and then people might have fun playing it, or they might not.

The mapping will start at 6:00 PM EST TONIGHT and end on Sunday at the same time! While I can't prevent you from starting early, I will slowly shake my head at you and make an annoying "tsk" sound if you do!

IN FACT WE'RE GOING SO FREAKING FAST THAT YOU DON'T EVEN NEED TO SIGN UP!
I mean I'd like it if you did, but it isn't mandatory.
WHAT IS MANDATORY IS THAT YOU SEND ME YOUR COMPLETED MAP BY SUNDAY AUGUST 31ST AT 6:00 EST
Though I'll probably give you like 10 minutes extra in case uploading sucks. BUT AFTER THAT AND YOU FELL OFF THE TRACK!

ARE WE READY TO GO FAST?
LET'S GO FAST!

MAKE HIM PROUD!
(http://www.great-wall-of-china.org/captainfalcon.org/Images/ssbb_leaks_captain_falcon.jpg)

Title: Re: Cutstuff Mapping Jam 2: FALCON JOINS THE FIGHT!
Post by: Knux on August 29, 2014, 05:18:35 PM

Hold on, though. If the deadline is on Sunday, then what's the speedrunning medal for? Doesn't it go to the first one that submits a map?

Title: Re: Cutstuff Mapping Jam 2: FALCON JOINS THE FIGHT!
Post by: Mendez on August 29, 2014, 05:23:43 PM

I'm signing up and I'll prove to Maxine that I'm not the slowest mapper of all time!

Title: Re: Cutstuff Mapping Jam 2: FALCON JOINS THE FIGHT!
Post by: Rozark on August 29, 2014, 05:32:48 PM

Quote from: "Knux"

Hold on, though. If the deadline is on Sunday, then what's the speedrunning medal for? Doesn't it go to the first one that submits a map?

How many speedrunning competitions have existed?
The way I see it there's barely any use for that medal; you don't want those medals collecting dust.
You wear them proud and brag to your friends.
The spontaneous and quick nature (including the restriction) of this event fit the medal quite well, don't you think?
It could just apply to any event thats done in a relatively quick fashion, say, this one.
Bring out that Quickman Medal.

Title: Re: Cutstuff Mapping Jam 2: FALCON JOINS THE FIGHT!
Post by: Russel on August 29, 2014, 05:41:32 PM

Question...will all of these be compiled into a pack of its own or am I free to shove a map I make for this in my own pack?

Either way I'm signing up for this because hype.

Title: Re: Cutstuff Mapping Jam 2: FALCON JOINS THE FIGHT!
Post by: LlamaHombre on August 29, 2014, 05:50:02 PM

I'm sticking to just 24 hours because I want to play video games
It'll be more than enough time anyway.

Also, remember that quality control is still going to have to apply as far as medals go. Rush hour all you want, but keep it in your best interest to keep your map enjoyable.

Title: Re: Cutstuff Mapping Jam 2: FALCON JOINS THE FIGHT!
Post by: Knux on August 29, 2014, 06:03:30 PM

Quote from: "Rozark Kyouko"

-snip-

I'm asking because it doesn't make sense, given the nature of the medal.
Athlete - Won a Speed Running competition

See, for this to make sense, the first one to submit their map would get the medal and then there would be no further point to participating. That's dumb, and I'm pretty sure another medal would be more fitting for this.

Title: Re: Cutstuff Mapping Jam 2: FALCON JOINS THE FIGHT!
Post by: Dr. Freeman on August 29, 2014, 06:09:56 PM

Quote from: "Dr. Freeman"

You'll be moving at the speed of light to hopefully obtain this sexy medal!
(http://www.cutstuff.net/forum/images/medals/badge4.gif)

Unless certain things don't apply, then you can just get another Fun Medal.
CAUSE IT'S FUN!

It says Speedrun first and Fun as a backup, Ivory said it was cool but he was gonna double check with Mike who has last say. So if Mike is like "nah son" then have fun medals instead.

Title: Re: Cutstuff Mapping Jam 2: FALCON JOINS THE FIGHT!
Post by: Gumballtoid on August 29, 2014, 06:26:12 PM

Oh hell to the yes, sign me up.

Title: Re: Cutstuff Mapping Jam 2: FALCON JOINS THE FIGHT!
Post by: Beed28 on August 29, 2014, 07:01:52 PM

I'm going to sign up, try and get me motivated to map again.

What time is 6:00 PM EST in UK time?

Title:
Post by: Max on August 29, 2014, 07:05:46 PM

11pm

Title: Re: Cutstuff Mapping Jam 2: FALCON JOINS THE FIGHT!
Post by: Knux on August 29, 2014, 08:52:29 PM

Quote from: "Dr. Freeman"

It says Speedrun first and Fun as a backup, Ivory said it was cool but he was gonna double check with Mike who has last say. So if Mike is like "nah son" then have fun medals instead.

Well, given the fact that there's a Speedrun Runner-up medal, I don't think it'll be allowed unless it's an actual competition. Don't take my word for it though, of course. This does look like a fun event, too.

Title: Re: Cutstuff Mapping Jam 2: FALCON JOINS THE FIGHT!
Post by: Dr. Freeman on August 29, 2014, 10:07:14 PM

Ahh I'm late to say we're go.
I'm so sick right now.
but go anyway

See you all in 48 hours minus 7 minutes.

Title: Re: Cutstuff Mapping Jam 2: FALCON JOINS THE FIGHT!
Post by: Yuri Sakazaki on August 30, 2014, 12:00:18 AM

So going to join this, sounds like a lot of fun!

Title: Re: Cutstuff Mapping Jam 2: FALCON JOINS THE FIGHT!
Post by: Knux on August 30, 2014, 02:30:42 AM

Eh, I suppose I'll join as well, but I don't expect to get anything terribly good done (or at all.) Whatever.

Nevermind, actually. I can think up a ton of shit to do that's more fun than sitting on my sore ass for hours on end, trying to come up with a good map on a 48 hour limit.

Why yes, I still made half a map in two hours. Then I quit because I got stuck.

Title: Re: Cutstuff Mapping Jam 2: FALCON JOINS THE FIGHT!
Post by: Dr. Freeman on August 31, 2014, 04:00:11 PM

And we're in the final six hours! Whoaaaaaaaaaaa!

A quick note, if you're doing and are worrying about not having a super amazing map, I wouldn't worry about it. I say just do what you can to make it pretty good, because once the pack is released, there is absolutely nothing stopping you from making it better on your own outside of this thing.

Title: Re: Cutstuff Mapping Jam 2: FALCON JOINS THE FIGHT!
Post by: Hallan Parva on August 31, 2014, 08:38:59 PM

my map's really bad but I entered anyway :ugeek:

Title: Re: Cutstuff Mapping Jam 2: FALCON JOINS THE FIGHT!
Post by: Yuri Sakazaki on August 31, 2014, 08:44:05 PM

Not terribly fond of mine either, but hey, why not.

Title: Aaaaaaaand right on the closing time for submissions
Post by: Beed28 on August 31, 2014, 10:00:05 PM

I submitted mine a few hours ago. Just hope it's good enough.

Title: Re: Cutstuff Mapping Jam 2: FALCON JOINS THE FIGHT!
Post by: Dr. Freeman on August 31, 2014, 10:01:27 PM

And we're closed!
I'll be leaving a short grace period for submissions in case things went wrong or there are errors or something, but to my knowledge mostly everyone who wanted to do this have given me something already.

I'll have a pack out hopefully soon. It's been a fun short mapping thing.
Idunno.

Title: Re: Cutstuff Mapping Jam 2: FALCON JOINS THE FIGHT!
Post by: Dr. Freeman on September 01, 2014, 01:59:11 AM

OK I DID MY SPEEDRUN

PICK UP THIS PACK RIGHT HERE http://www.best-ever.org/download?file=falconmappack.pk3

YOU CAN GET 15 MAPS SPONSORED BY CAPTAIN FALCON HIMSELF!
Except not cause he's a fictional character.

Thanks to everyone who decided to do this in the super limited time frame.

And before everyone gets out their super "wow this map is trash" adventure, the point of this was to see what people could do in 48 hours so there are things that aren't quite perfect BUT THAT'S JUST HOW IT GOES WHEN YOU'RE LIVING ON THE EDGE!

FREEMAN OUT!

Title: Re: Cutstuff Mapping Jam 2: FALCON JOINS THE FIGHT!
Post by: CutmanMike on September 01, 2014, 09:31:02 AM

Medals awarded, except for Nemu whose forum username I can't quite find.

Title: Re: Cutstuff Mapping Jam 2: FALCON JOINS THE FIGHT!
Post by: *Alice on September 01, 2014, 11:01:33 AM

Cold Noodles. (http://www.cutstuff.net/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=1541)

Title: Re: Cutstuff Mapping Jam 2: FALCON JOINS THE FIGHT!
Post by: Laggy Blazko on September 01, 2014, 11:24:44 AM

Nice map names you've got there.

And nice HOMs. =P

Title: Re: Cutstuff Mapping Jam 2: FALCON JOINS THE FIGHT!
Post by: Max on September 01, 2014, 03:37:08 PM

Okay I'm done

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What time is it???? MAXINE'S SUPER SPECIAL MAP REVIEW PACK POST MAP FREEMAN

01 - Busta Nut - Freeman
It's kinda funny how the dude that proposed and made the pack ended up with one of the smallest maps around. Hm. This map doesn't have anything stupid in it, that's good. Duo Fist and Top Spin are a little stupid, but I don't care. It's fun to fight in. Most of the outside (looks outwards) looks pretty good. Aside from minor gripes with actor placement, the fusion of Buster Rod / Napalm / Sword wasn't exactly an overused one, and it came out well. Looking inwards however, the huge walls of unbroken interior Naplam caves (on the outside) look ugly. There are also a few rookie mapping trip-ups like linedefs that don't match the sectors they attach to (like Buster Rod metal instantly turning into grass without a grace sector) and the texture set ends up being limited despite the textures being taken from a variety of sources.
It's average. Playable and small, looks a bit ugly. Party Ball is dumb.

02 - I don't know - Copy
I don't really know either. This map reeks of 'draw a big layout and struggle to fill all the space you drew with things-itis'. The fact that it's so difficult to navigate the map without resorting to the fall-teleporters says a lot about the abundance of quick beams. I -could- climb those ladders and get shot down, or I could just teleport. The amount of teleporting necessary and the ability to do so from every side of the map just makes it feel disjointed and split, especially when the middle is just so... boring. Texture set plays it incredibly safe but uses Quick perfectly. The new railings look good too, so no complaints of aesthetics aside from 'it's boring'.
Also pretty average. It's actually better than core Quickman though, lol.

03 - A lighthearted prank - Rozark
OW MY FUCKING EARS
that music is intolerable, incredibly loud and sounds shitty
*stopmus*
This map is good. The wood and sky areas are easy to navigate because of how the water and the trees break it up and make areas distinct, the wooden 'house' is basic and works more for providing cover than anything else (it'd be nice if you could access it from both sides tbh) and overall the trees and wood with napalm grass looks pretty pretty. Skybox is nice but unnecessary. The real issues I have with this map is when you start moving away from the open wooden area. The caves at the top of the map become incredibly hard (for me, at least) to get through because it all looks samey with the two tones of stone and the incredibly ugly wood cave textures, which would've been much better being either outside wood textures or just a prettier version of the same thing using a different robot's textures. Luckily these areas are in pretty short supply compared to the exterior. I couldn't even see where the hole was to drop down half the time. In addition, the map's openness and flow is sort of... ruined by its weapon selection. Nearly all of the more available weapons are incredibly close range. Tengu Blade jousting and Slash Claw drive-bys were the main methods of death from when I played, and Air Shooter and Wave Burner just serve as a counter-attack to them. This led to a lot of frags from people who could access the less accessible weapons, so Laser Buster multi-kills and Magnet spam were frequent from the more adept players. More balance would be nice. I don't think half the players even found Metal Blade with the one-way house. And Copy Vision is just bad, I hate it.
I wrote more about this map because it's better than the ones before it. If it gets fixed up it would be 'good', right now it's just fine.

04 - Fuck you - A stupid person

05 - Dark Man Remixed V 9000.135 - Jack Corvus
Probably one of my favourite maps, and one of the three I felt the need to praise in the chat as soon as I saw the pack. Nice job! This map is incredibly pretty. Nearly every Dark Man texture is used to perfection, and you know when to break restraints and use other textures, like in the skybox and all the courtyard grass which really aids to the aesthetics and makes it feel even more like Dark Man than Dark Man does, ironically enough. My favourite thing about this map would have to be the vertical flow. It's incredibly fun and natural to patrol outer walls only to drop down for kills, and climbing back up is intuitive with the faster ladders and support items, plus well placed slopes and jumps. It might sound out of character for me to praise it this much but it's really really fun to play in! My main issue basically comes with item placement. There are way too many Energy Balancers and W-tanks in the map, nobody needs that much ammo and the map basically trivialises it. In addition there are, what, two Party Balls in the map? That just makes it less fun. On top of E-Tanks, W-Tanks, Rush Coil and Jet, countless energy balancers... I don't think theoretically infinite assist items is exactly necessary and it often feels cheap to have someone gain an advantage through luck. Bubble Lead wasn't used much on the map and Ice Slasher was too slow for rapid fire tactics to really work, the Noise Crush - Napalm Bomb / Air Shooter / Crash Bomb combination was really the strongest point. Other than that, love it.
Good map, a couple issues barely made a difference to the inherent fun factor.

06 - Dimensional Well - Beed28
Another map I praised, second of three, even though Beed wouldn't have really seen it in a skype chat... Whatever, I like this map too. It's probably the most unique one I've seen for a while, all the areas really feel interesting and unlike other maps with disconnected areas... Waveman... The areas in this actually flow incredibly well together due to height variance and commendable placement in the astro 'rifts'. The main problem I have is that a lot of the map felt quite cramped. This was most prominent in the Bomb and Skull areas, and between rifts. The rifts could be shortened to let players flow through more quickly and reduce the amount of choke points in the map, but the Bomb and Skull tightness would have to be more cleverly adjusted. Also it was hard to get out of the water in the Knight / Mega Water area because the jumping was so precise and the ladders so small. Finally, there are an absolute gargantuan amount of weapons on the map, and if you've been alive for a while it just gets plainly overwhelming to sort through them all. They should be cut down to maybe 2-3 weapons a slot, and there should be a lot less long range weapons in the map. And Leaf Shield and Copy Vision just suck. Why so many Copy Visions in the map pack? Not that anyone knew other people would be using them... A few texture hiccups in lack of matching floor and walls, and a few areas were hard to navigate because of repeated texture use. However every section really looked like it was part of the core, so that's great.
Good, unique maps with a couple issues. Very saveable. I'd love to see it somewhere.

07 - A tree servant - Yuri
To be perfectly honest... I don't have much to say about this map. It's genuinely quite boring. Stuck to a single tileset, used it passably. Layout is fine. I guess the biggest issue is blandness. A lot of areas are very wide open and long, and basically the entire map uses most of the same floor texture, which makes locating differences in height or holes to fall through quite hard. Walls are varied, though. Well, with the exception of a few flat walls where only the black/colour Needle brick walls are used. Weapons are generally very strong, which makes it a pretty chaotic map. Quite a lot of weapons too. Interesting contrast between boring map and chaotic weapons, but it doesn't do much saving. Nothing really stupid with it though, and it's quite well sized compared to a lot of smaller maps in this pack.
We're back to mediocrity. That sounds harsh. It's true.
Also the skybox is broken in software. Ouch.

08 - Fuck you too - An idiot

09 - Easy way out - Caprice
Fitting title. Big, bland, box map. Kinda ugly. I spawned on top of one of the walls on the outside once. Oops.

10 - Sea Base Skirmish - Gumballtoid
I saw a lot of people praising this map in the skype chats. Gonna sound harsh again but I think it was, well, undeserved. This map is okay. No denying that. It's definitely a lot better than Diveman which a lot of people were praising. If you wanted to replace Diveman with this I'd say okay. I'd also ask for a less boring map. But that'd be ignored. This map is just boring to me because... It's a square, for starters. 60% of it is flat. 66% is underwater. It also reeks of 'draw a big layout and struggle to fill all the space you drew with things-itis', but at least it's small and self-contained. It does look incredibly... professional. Worthy of core. Actually uses the underwater-overwater textures properly and it never looks ugly with the pretty skybox and good use of textures, even though a couple are cut off or misaligned.
I just... I don't really know what to say other than it's boring. Water Wave is useless underwater and often cut off on the pipes. Arrow Buster is too strong underwater and it's placed next to Drill Bomb which is even better. Wave Burner makes Charge Kick useless. Dive Missile is placed well but overpowered in the open areas, which is all of it. I guess that's all. I enjoy it. It's just boring.

11 - Futanari Dragonnesses - Me
Not critiquing it because it's mine. Pretty as shit though, right? Sorry about Atomic Fire.

12 - In the court of the Emerald Queen - Mendez
Not giving this one a full critique either since that's unneccessary. Innovative as shit, boring visually, Screw Crusher was overpowering. Quake gimmick cool but interruptive.

13 - Steamy Factory - Nemu
I was dreading critiquing this one... I really hate it, but I've never found the best way to say why. It's incredibly ugly, I suppose. Flame Burner Junk Burst Wave... They don't work well together. You end up with blue grey brown and orange, which is just gross, and the map comes out not looking like an actual factory or anything thematic, just kinda gross. The one thing that did make it look like a steamy factory, the steam, was just... stupid. It's unnecessary. What does it do? I don't like filters as it is but having one for a little while and then draining it away for no reason is just idiotic. Sorry. It doesn't make people in the distance hidden. It just makes the map darker and fuzzier. Combine that with a couple misused sector textures and linedefs and it just looks super unappealing. The weapon set is also incredibly chaotic, with a lot of spam, hugs, COPY VISION ARRGGHHH, and Proto Buster for some reason. Hm. I didn't find it fun to fight in. To be perfectly honest, the layout isn't even worth mentioning for better or for worse. It's just kinda there.

14 - Contaminated Subterrania - Lego
This was the final of the three maps I praised. Wanna know why? It surprised me. A lot. It was really interesting. Like, if you said you were gonna make a Toad / Sword fusion with hints of Wave and Hard, I'd be all like WUT. And then if you said you were going to MAKE ME ENJOY THE USE OF FILTERS, I'd just punch you in the gut. But you did it. On top of that, the layout is really really fun. It's smaller, but it's intricate and the above and below areas flow well, you know how to get to anywhere from anywhere else, the aesthetics are downright beautiful in places (and innovative) and the water jets pushing you down wasn't even obstructive. Curved walls and unplayable areas, green water... Beautiful. One of the only complaints I have is with the weapon selection. Wave Burner was a perfect fit, as was Wild Coil and Rolling Cutter. However, some of the other weapons just end up being underused, like I didn't even notice Search Snake was in the map because nobody used it. Barely used Water Balloon, either. In general the number of weapons in the map is refreshingly slim, but since a few don't get used it makes it seem like it's more restrictive than it is.
Really good. Tiny fixes and I'd love to see it in Legopack or Crocpack or whatever you decided on, I didn't check.

15 - A stupid joke - LlamaHombre
I can't critique this map because it doesn't make any sense. I mean, it's not downright stupid like the other two maps I ignored, but... Why a random MM3DW1 box? Why a pharaoh box? Why tiny water corridors? Why a big Mega Water corridor? It doesn't even flow at all! WHY A RANDOM PIT WITH AN E-TANK IN IT? I'm confused! Aaaaaa

I wonder if anyone actually knew I was a map critic

EDIT: I shortened these a bit because I had a lot to cover. If you're gonna put one of these in a pack or whatever and want me to go into more detail I'd be happy to!

EDIT2 : Korby's skybox is also broken in software but that's a shit map anyway, also GUMBALLTOID AND BEED'S MAPS HAVE BUGGED WATER IF SEEN FROM BELOW in software, and on top of all of that Nemu's steam doesn't even work at all in software

Title: Re: Cutstuff Mapping Jam 2: FALCON JOINS THE FIGHT!
Post by: Korby on September 01, 2014, 03:56:56 PM

If you were a good map critic, you'd give pointers on how to improve the maps you declared as "shit" and refused to review.
;D

Title: Re: Cutstuff Mapping Jam 2: FALCON JOINS THE FIGHT!
Post by: Max on September 01, 2014, 04:00:51 PM

Scrap 'em

Title: Try Again
Post by: Rozark on September 01, 2014, 06:05:07 PM

Hi I noticed you judged my weapon layouts for a good chunk of said review.
You don't criticize those.
Ever.
I've said it countless times that I'm not good at those, trying to teach me otherwise isn't going to be of any use.
(Although Tengublade is needed in order for the prank to exist)
I like the criticism despite me becoming near immune when I taste a certain flavor in said review.
You know what I'm talking about.

Title: Re: Cutstuff Mapping Jam 2: FALCON JOINS THE FIGHT!
Post by: Emmanuelf06 on September 01, 2014, 07:14:57 PM

My favorites are 2,3 and 5, the 14 one is cool too (well not important).....the remix of darkman stage is the 5th is awesome...it reminds me this remix:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFb4ht5bzII (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFb4ht5bzII)
Not sure....
Some maps can be cool for duel :q

Title: Re: Cutstuff Mapping Jam 2: FALCON JOINS THE FIGHT!
Post by: Caprice on September 01, 2014, 07:20:30 PM

Quote from: "Max"

09 - Easy way out - Caprice
Fitting title. Big, bland, box map. Kinda ugly. I spawned on top of one of the walls on the outside once. Oops.

The title was more so referencing how I couldn't really think of a way to make the other half of the layout, so I went with symmetry because lazy. I wasn't going to make things boxy, but I felt there had to be something on the other side of the buildings; couldn't think of anything good so generic corner piece. I really messed up when it comes to spawning on the walls, though.

It'd be nice if you said why it was kinda ugly, and how to make it not-ugly, though.

Title: No cheating!
Post by: Beed28 on September 01, 2014, 07:37:24 PM

Did anyone find the secret Creeper face yet?

Title: Re: Cutstuff Mapping Jam 2: FALCON JOINS THE FIGHT!
Post by: Max on September 01, 2014, 07:43:00 PM

Sorry Caprice. Probably disregarded your map a bit too eagerly because I thought it was a joke.

The main problem is the buildings. These often use what I would describe as 'interior' textures on the outside, and they look unbroken and mesh-y when repeated in high frequency. Main offender for this is the Burner green and black diamond tiles, which line the outside of a large majority of the buildings around. The interior, on the reverse point, uses a lot lot lot of blue and black textures, which are lined across multiple walls haphazardly and well, lazily. They aren't broken up, no pillars in the corner or anything, no real variety and burner textures are kind of bad to begin with. The exterior is MUCH prettier, except for the side houses which seem to use misplaced large blue textures with black lines. Also, these houses don't use pillars correctly, the sides should have pillars too so that every part of the pillar is exposed rather than being a separate texture on the sides, the misplaced blue. The grass, not as bad, but there's simply so much unbroken terrain that it blends into a blur of ugly green with barely any defining features. Using a black ceiling works with the outside linedefs, but not with the trees and random monking found in the centre.
Tengu is used well. Nature is used well.
You should be breaking up your textures to improve readability and using textures with less detail when applying them over multiple walls, so your walls don't blend and become ugly at a distance. Use a larger variety of textures and provide more visual focus in certain areas through use of small details and decoration to break up blandness meshing, and make things look overall more professional and lively.

Title: Re: Cutstuff Mapping Jam 2: FALCON JOINS THE FIGHT!
Post by: Caprice on September 01, 2014, 07:56:41 PM

Ah, that is a lot more helpful, thank you!

Title: you sound like an sjw
Post by: Bikdark on September 02, 2014, 03:09:12 AM

Quote from: "Rozark Kyouko"

Hi I noticed you judged my weapon layouts for a good chunk of said review.
You don't criticize those.
Ever.
I've said it countless times that I'm not good at those, trying to teach me otherwise isn't going to be of any use.
(Although Tengublade is needed in order for the prank to exist)
I like the criticism despite me becoming near immune when I taste a certain flavor in said review.
You know what I'm talking about.

Yes, you do. Weapon layouts are just as important as the map geography itself, and should be judged just as harshly.

Just because you're bad at something doesn't mean you're exempt from criticism.

Title: Yeah, I kinda agree, but only because he's trying to censor
Post by: Mendez on September 02, 2014, 05:10:06 PM

We had a huge conversation about this yesterday on Skype, and it simply came down to "you simply can't teach Rozark to get better at weapon layouts, just trust Smash to do the layouts for him" or something like that. Either way, trying to stop people from bringing up flaws in your map sounds... eh, it's his choice, I guess I shouldn't butt in.

Title: Re: Cutstuff Mapping Jam 2: FALCON JOINS THE FIGHT!
Post by: Russel on September 02, 2014, 09:19:27 PM

Honestly weapon and item layouts come down to opinions and experience with weapon sets...playing modes like duel and deathmatch a whole bunch and seeing how weapon and item layouts balance out in other maps could help mappers get the experience they want out of their maps. This has been extremely helpful for me since I enjoy duel and small deathmatch games, so I obviously tailor my maps and weapon sets around environments and experience with those modes in hopes achieving a proper balance.

tl;dr - weapon sets, regardless of whether people are good at them or not, come down to the responsibility of the mapper to learn how weapons work and how strong they are in situations they see appearing within the maps they create.

Title: Re: Cutstuff Mapping Jam 2: FALCON JOINS THE FIGHT!
Post by: Dr. Freeman on September 26, 2014, 10:20:46 PM

Hello everyone! Bumping this thing after a few weeks.

So people had maybe fun times making maps in a short period of time, I dunno if you did or not that's not my job to say, and everyone played on them for a bit and at the very least, they were completed maps.

That being said, playing the pack it is very evident that well...these maps were made in a short amount of time, because they were. And why that's a neat little thing for when it first came out, it's not so neat now.
So here we are with starting the next version.

Basically, I want to release a polished and revised version of this pack to make the maps from "playable but ehh" to "hey this is kinda decent to play on!"
However, I can touch up my map all I want, that's not enough for revamp things. So if you've made a map for the pack and you want to revise your map, fix up bugs, change weapon layouts, Idunno, this is the time to do it! Basically the strict time limit is off, though I'm hoping a month is long enough for revisions to happen. If you have a revision, just PM me or send it over Skype.

However, for this revision there actually will be a little bit of quality control. So if some of the maps just don't get anything at all to make them better, they're going to be canned when the revision comes out.

Thank you all very much, and I'm hoping that some people might be interested in making their maps better without a strict deadline!