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Gaming => The Ghoul's Forest => Topic started by: White on September 12, 2009, 01:27:11 AM

Title: New Ghoul, Crackels! Custom made by me ENTIRELY! :)
Post by: White on September 12, 2009, 01:27:11 AM
A custom release of mine!

Once, a poor old man who was out in the cold, dark, winter snow, and his teeth were chattering like a complete NUTT CRACKER, and was waiting for a car. He turns on his radio only to hear that a psycho-path that attempts to kill everyone he sees is headed his way after recently escaping from an Insane-Assylum. Without delay, he runs into the river only to be frozen in a path of solid ice, his feet trapped horribly! ...and the Psycho sees him. He quickly draws his hammer, and breaks whatever was left of his skull into CRACKS.

The Yurei had summoned Crackels where the rivers of the poisoned, ever-Forbidden Forest, because of his pure innocence and taste for revenge.
And now he's coming for you...

Note : Please do not advertise your stuff here. Seriously. I'm just trying to submit something :|

http://www.sendspace.com/file/6hl5kj (http://www.sendspace.com/file/6hl5kj)

Have fun destroying this thing. Took me 5 minutes over-all  :p

...If It sucks, go easy - It's my first attempt at a ghoul  :cry:

Edit : summon command : Crackels
Title: Re: New Ghoul, Crackels! Custom made by me ENTIRELY! :)
Post by: lord_of_hell on September 12, 2009, 02:52:47 AM
we need screenies D:
Title: Re: New Ghoul, Crackels! Custom made by me ENTIRELY! :)
Post by: White on September 12, 2009, 09:32:10 AM
Quote from: "lord_of_hell"
we need screenies D:
Can ya just download him? Making sure he worked was already a pain in the ass.
Title: Re: New Ghoul, Crackels! Custom made by me ENTIRELY! :)
Post by: Grymmoire on September 12, 2009, 03:00:42 PM
Screenies? The monster looks like his avatar, that's all you need to see  :-|
Title: Re: New Ghoul, Crackels! Custom made by me ENTIRELY! :)
Post by: Knux on September 12, 2009, 08:10:37 PM
Nicely done, White. It now needs a death cry, because I killed it and it died without a "jitter" of protest.  :lol:  It's basically a more nimble Jitterskull that doesn't charge at you when he attacks, and you need to react faster when it approaches. Or else...

SCREECH!

Want me to do a video about it, White? I'll post it on Youtube and give you credit.  ;)
Title: Re: New Ghoul, Crackels! Custom made by me ENTIRELY! :)
Post by: Possesed on September 12, 2009, 09:54:35 PM
Its a bit of a jitterskull clone though  :geek:

All thats differant is sounds, sprites, a slight speed up, differant death scene and not always insta killing on impact  :-|

His movement is basicly a sped up behaviour of jitterskull's movement meaning its not very unique at all  :?
Title: Re: New Ghoul, Crackels! Custom made by me ENTIRELY! :)
Post by: White on September 12, 2009, 10:58:21 PM
Quote from: "Knux"
Nicely done, White. It now needs a death cry, because I killed it and it died without a "jitter" of protest.  :lol:  It's basically a more nimble Jitterskull that doesn't charge at you when he attacks, and you need to react faster when it approaches. Or else...

SCREECH!

Want me to do a video about it, White? I'll post it on Youtube and give you credit.  ;)

Gladly.

P.S. The sounds are all by my voice with no editing what-so-ever.
Cutman, get ovah here

Quote from: "Possesed"
Its a bit of a jitterskull clone though  :geek:

All thats differant is sounds, sprites, a slight speed up, differant death scene and not always insta killing on impact  :-|

His movement is basicly a sped up behaviour of jitterskull's movement meaning its not very unique at all  :?

First attempt at a ghoul outside a forest, bro.

[/Tryingtobereallyreallynicebecausethisishisfirstattemptataghouloutsideoftheghoulsforestroflifyoureadallofthisidontknowhowyoudonthaveaheadache]

Edit : Note = You won't be seeing him in Gf4.  :p

Edit about the previous edit : I started a poll on the GF4 topic. Go take a "Crack" at him :P
Title: Re: New Ghoul, Crackels! Custom made by me ENTIRELY! :)
Post by: lord_of_hell on September 13, 2009, 01:13:53 AM
Quote from: "White"
Edit : Note = You won't be seeing him in Gf4.  :p
D:
Title: Re: New Ghoul, Crackels! Custom made by me ENTIRELY! :)
Post by: Knux on September 13, 2009, 02:50:08 AM
The video is done:

Edit: Not anymore.
Title: Re: New Ghoul, Crackels! Custom made by me ENTIRELY! :)
Post by: White on September 13, 2009, 04:06:33 AM
Oh the tension, It's so embarressing seeing if people don't laugh at my vocals :P

FUN FACT! : Did you know that when I filmed his biting sound, I literally chomped and broke a tooth?

Fun stuff. :3

In other terms, Im gonna put up a poll for this big-guy.
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Post by: Anonymous on September 14, 2009, 10:13:23 AM
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Title: Re: New Ghoul, Crackels! Custom made by me ENTIRELY! :)
Post by: White on September 14, 2009, 07:43:22 PM
Quote from: "pucy100"
nice work white!! :o

Why thank you :)

Although I kinda was inspired to bring it back because of my GF (who had seen it and then freaked the living hell out at me trying to upload it)

So, she... well, I basically got forced to finish/upload this guy (although at the end in his files on the wad, he's supposed to spawn gray fire upwards, but instead just fades out)

Thank mah gf for that  ;)
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Post by: Anonymous on September 15, 2009, 03:36:17 PM
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Title: Re: New Ghoul, Crackels! Custom made by me ENTIRELY! :)
Post by: lord_of_hell on September 15, 2009, 10:02:58 PM
Quote from: "pucy100"
Quote from: "White"
Quote from: "pucy100"
nice work white!! :o

Why thank you :)

Although I kinda was inspired to bring it back because of my GF (who had seen it and then freaked the living hell out at me trying to upload it)

So, she... well, I basically got forced to finish/upload this guy (although at the end in his files on the wad, he's supposed to spawn gray fire upwards, but instead just fades out)

Thank mah gf for that  ;)
i added him to my wad: Monsters.zip where i have 147 monsters but i will test more monsters (i downloaded 4 new monsters right now) and i will test if i have enough time to see if works or have script/decorate error!
oh and.. i want more monsters!
i want a new ghoul!
what new ghoul will be next?? i agree your work you did a lot of cool wads!
download the falcon revenant of re-sauce wad made by cutty :D
Title: Re: New Ghoul, Crackels! Custom made by me ENTIRELY! :)
Post by: White on September 16, 2009, 01:04:49 AM
Quote from: "lord_of_hell"
download the falcon revenant of re-sauce wad made by cutty :D

Quote from: "White"
Note : Please do not advertise your stuff here. Seriously. I'm just trying to submit something :|

I need to emphasize it by saying...

Quote from: "My future self"
Please do not fucking advertise anything that doesn't refer to this wad, especially things that don't correspond to ghouls.

The Falcon Reve-...
*face palms* Good god LoH. Please read rules. Im just about ready to beat my face into the wall with people who don't even seem to read what topics are about/they're(Their) rules.

As I said, PLEASE DO NOT ADVERTISE HERE.

It seems really out of context that somebody just... DOES that...
Title: Re: New Ghoul, Crackels! Custom made by me ENTIRELY! :)
Post by: lord_of_hell on September 16, 2009, 01:53:47 AM
i dont readed about the theme what he wanted D:
Title: Re: New Ghoul, Crackels! Custom made by me ENTIRELY! :)
Post by: White on September 16, 2009, 10:19:54 AM
Quote from: "lord_of_hell"
i dont readed about the theme what he wanted D:

Then it's a wise idea to start. Alot of reading is required in a forum.
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Post by: Anonymous on September 16, 2009, 06:10:52 PM
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Title: Re: New Ghoul, Crackels! Custom made by me ENTIRELY! :)
Post by: Cyclone on September 17, 2009, 08:32:45 PM
uhh, no offense dude, but unless it has some kind of new fight style,it just seems like a jitterskull clone if ya ask me. :-|
Title: Re: New Ghoul, Crackels! Custom made by me ENTIRELY! :)
Post by: White on September 17, 2009, 09:56:20 PM
Quote from: "Cyclone"
uhh, no offense dude, but unless it has some kind of new fight style,it just seems like a jitterskull clone if ya ask me. :-|

First "off" ghoul. This kinda shit is being voted away for that reason.
Title: Re: New Ghoul, Crackels! Custom made by me ENTIRELY! :)
Post by: Wartorn on September 18, 2009, 01:36:35 AM
Quote from: "White"
Quote from: "Cyclone"
uhh, no offense dude, but unless it has some kind of new fight style,it just seems like a jitterskull clone if ya ask me. :-|

First "off" ghoul. This kinda shit is being voted away for that reason.
Bro, I know you're my friend and all, but how the fuck does that excuse it from people saying that it's a Jitterskull clone? It's a completely valid reason to vote something off.
Title: Re: New Ghoul, Crackels! Custom made by me ENTIRELY! :)
Post by: Knux on September 18, 2009, 02:45:56 AM
The way I see it, the problem here is that it's still too early to decide if this thing should be in GF4 or not. White should try out new ideas for it, and see what works best. Crackles has only made it's debut appearance just to let everyone know that there's something new coming their way. By this, it should be understood that it's attack pattern may change in the future, and that this Ghoul has potential to become something better than just a Jitterskull clone.

Brainstormin' time, eh White?  ;)

Just grab a pencil and paper, and write down what has been done and what hasn't. Even if you end up leaving it's moving pattern like it is now, you might be able to give it some twists that make it unique and give it a reason to be feared apart from Jitty. Try everything, even what seems ridiculous. Sooner than later, you'll find some niches for it.
Title: Re: New Ghoul, Crackels! Custom made by me ENTIRELY! :)
Post by: Robjoe on September 18, 2009, 04:21:51 AM
Here's an idea.
(click to show/hide)
=D

Whatever, in all seriousness, good luck with this. I don't have any serious ideas, though. So, sorry.
Title: Re: New Ghoul, Crackels! Custom made by me ENTIRELY! :)
Post by: White on September 18, 2009, 10:07:20 AM
Quote from: "Knux"
The way I see it, the problem here is that it's still too early to decide if this thing should be in GF4 or not. White should try out new ideas for it, and see what works best. Crackles has only made it's debut appearance just to let everyone know that there's something new coming their way. By this, it should be understood that it's attack pattern may change in the future, and that this Ghoul has potential to become something better than just a Jitterskull clone.

Brainstormin' time, eh White?  ;)

Just grab a pencil and paper, and write down what has been done and what hasn't. Even if you end up leaving it's moving pattern like it is now, you might be able to give it some twists that make it unique and give it a reason to be feared apart from Jitty. Try everything, even what seems ridiculous. Sooner than later, you'll find some niches for it.

Yea, much to all of your surprises, I wasn't cloning jitterskull when I made this.

There-again, This was made a long while ago. I just gave it some death fire (which doesn't work anyways) and uploaded it.

THAT's why I ask for it to go easy.
Title: Re: New Ghoul, Crackels! Custom made by me ENTIRELY! :)
Post by: Knux on September 19, 2009, 07:07:06 PM
Then you should remove the poll because the time to ask for people's opinion's isn't right yet. Wait until you've actually finished the ghoul, then we can avoid this waste of time and cut to the good stuff.  :roll:

I'll update my video description with a disclaimer that says this thing isn't the final product, so that people stop saying stuff over at Youtube.
Title: Re: New Ghoul, Crackels! Custom made by me ENTIRELY! :)
Post by: Cyclone on September 20, 2009, 02:40:28 AM
oooh...sorry about the false accusation. i didn't know it wasn't intended for what i said. but what knux said earlier is right. try askin the guys here for ideas. might get a few good ones while ur at it.  ;)
Title: Re: New Ghoul, Crackels! Custom made by me ENTIRELY! :)
Post by: Major Cooke on September 20, 2009, 03:42:43 AM
Okay. I'm not going to go very easy. I'm going to deliver it straight to you on what I think. This is the only way you're going to learn about what hard-core constructive criticism can do and how it makes people into true men. This is how I learned it, so you can try taking my advice or you can ignore it, either way it's up to you.

But first, some pointers on what you should not say when submitting something:

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"Go easy, it's my first <name-of-project-or-wip-here>"

If you say this, you'll often have people look at it and question whether they really want to download it or not. It did for me and I wasn't surprised at seeing something which some people here have call a ripoff of the jitterskull. Instead, just do something simple like "let me know what you think" or clearly state it's incomplete or something so we know about it, so therefore we can go easy.

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"First "off" ghoul. This kinda shit is being voted away for that reason."

I agree with Wartorn here. If you personally feel inclined to think that it's something special, don't say so if the rest feel the opposite way, unless you acknowledge the reasons. Just nod your head and be on your way, otherwise you'll be considered a stubborn one.

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Title: "...Custom made by me ENTIRELY-"

You are only lying to yourself at this point. Whether you really knew it or not when you first uploaded it I cannot tell, for I am not you, but I'm sure you know that by now it's not going to pass. Plus, you let others down when they see it, and the grin on their faces is suddenly smacked off so hard, blistering scars of disappointment and anger cover the lips like cold sores.

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Now... About the ghoul itself...

I can partially see what your trying to do, but like much of the bandwagon it's just too much like the jitterskull. You need to make it more unique, something FAR away in terms of distance from any of the first three ghouls. I'm making a ghoul, and it does stuff that has a few bits of which some of the ghouls can perform in GvH (jitterskull charging, just to name one), but it's far different than the rest. In fact, it's a death angel, not a ghoul at all. But anway... Uniqueness needs to be worked on, and should be almost completely revamped.

I'm sorry if this sounds offensive but you do seem slightly resistant to the other folks, and your friends constructive criticism by repeatedly stating for them to go easy on you. Doing so is just like flinging shit on their rooftops and their windows. They'll only get harder. I for one am being hard because it does appear that you need some good advice, and you need it badly.

I had some more criticism but unfortunately I don't remember what I was going to say since it's midnight here, and I'm tired. If I remember it, I'll post it here. Don't take offense to it, it's only constructive criticism that's trying to help you out. To quote Ben Yahtzee:

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...Instead of crucifying the game, like I usually do, I figured that I would make Turok 2 as an example of what game developers should NOT do.

Take it all with spirit, and work towards making a better edition. Then, you can feel the pride thumping in your heart for all the hard work you've done and be amazed at just how well people will react when you reform it.
Title: Re: New Ghoul, Crackels! Custom made by me ENTIRELY! :)
Post by: White on September 20, 2009, 12:49:28 PM
Quote from: "Major Cooke"
A long block of text which half of us probably did not read

Well, you've been a bit busy with work yourself, Im sure you'd find the work load.

But some of us aren't perfected in certain designs. Hell, My class based mod is probably my best work, and AD is second only to that.

Im not the best at ghoul work, which is why a few weeks ago I admittively said that I would need some sort of help on this task. Crackels was like... a ghoul from a long time ago, when I was JUST meeting GvH and GF3, which is WHY I asked for some easier criticism. Instead, people end up doing the exact opposite. I improve CONSTANTLY, which isn't enough?
Title: Re: New Ghoul, Crackels! Custom made by me ENTIRELY! :)
Post by: Major Cooke on September 20, 2009, 06:26:27 PM
"A long block of text which half of us probably did not read"... Another suggestion, don't put that down unless it's because the person put down unreadable gibberish. I put down that text as criticism for you to learn off of, not for you to quote me in a way which can sound disrespectful to others. Trust me, while I know better, others take this offense much harder and will slander you for it.

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Anyway... Yes, I know you can do better as shown from your access denied mod. However, if you think you are improving which does not seem like improving to others, there are many different ways to improve. I'm not putting this criticism down just for the ghouls, but anything you make in particular. Apply it to everything else on out if you find it useful, but don't just blow it off or you may only hurt yourself. I doubt you will have, because I have faith in you.

Improving in the same style which people find not working for someone, yet they continue to do so anyway, will sow seeds of doubt because the person who has yet to improve refuses to do it any other way. Consider learning through alternative methods, explore other people's wads (except for the crappy ghoul's forest 4 fanmade edition, he just copy/pasted a shitload of trees and ripped a bunch of ghouls off, AND failed to put spawning variety) and even go outside the box. Look at other action wads that have enemy replacements.

The criticism I gave earlier was also based around only trying to help you, mate. Again, just keep your head up. If you don't want to work on the ghoul or something, then just keep the criticism in mind for everything else you make so you know just what to avoid and what will be awesome. While I am quite busy, you should understand that I am quite capable of taking criticism while under heavy pressure, because it CAN help me learn how to take a load off my shoulders. Sure it's risky during those times but then I can move faster and get it done sooner, so then I can relax and enjoy the fruits of my labor.

You're a promising person dude. Its just sometimes it will benefit you if you read the valid arguments, acknowledge that you read them and understand what we are trying to get at, and then you can put down your reasoning. Like my dad used to say, "Shut up and listen, THEN you can argue."

And yes, I know I sound like an English professor or a history instructor that most would blow off, but it's how I get the pointers across to some folks who are in need of the most core-driving changes which will help make their fruits better.
Title: Re: New Ghoul, Crackels! Custom made by me ENTIRELY! :)
Post by: White on September 21, 2009, 09:37:27 AM
You made your point. Anybody else have some decent criticism, OTHER than Major cooke?

Great stuff.
Title: Re: New Ghoul, Crackels! Custom made by me ENTIRELY! :)
Post by: CutmanMike on September 21, 2009, 09:54:05 AM
Quote from: "White"
You made your point. Anybody else have some decent criticism, OTHER than Major cooke?

Great stuff.

You need to drop the snob attitude if you wish to for us to take you seriously. You should listen to opinions rather than be defensive against them. Trying to prove them wrong makes you look like you're Mr Perfectionist, and people don't like that. I did the same thing with the GVH review got a 6/10 and criticised things which I felt shouldn't have been pointed out in the review, and now half the forum thinks I'm an egotistical tyrant. I'm not saying go ahead and accept what they say, go ahead and comment if you wish. Just don't bring up excuses and complex reasons why they're wrong. People don't like being told they're wrong, especially when you ask for their opinion first!

Now we have that out of the way here's my thoughts. You showed me this ages ago and I thought it was one of your first works so I thought hey, it's not that bad for your first try. If you wanted to bring it out into the open and actually put Crackles in GF4, obviously people are going to see it and say it's a Jitterskull rip off. I shouldn't even need to say why, just compare the two in game.
Title: Re: New Ghoul, Crackels! Custom made by me ENTIRELY! :)
Post by: White on September 21, 2009, 10:38:01 AM
Quote from: "CutmanMike"
Just compare the two in game.

...Uhh Cutman, I wasn't pushing off his criticism. I was willing to take any today, considering things were actually finished and I'm able to stick around, but that comment wasn't ment for offensive lines.

Honestly, when I say stuff like that, it means im attempting to correct myself, but am embarressed to say something silly like...

Quote from: "Myself in a possibly desperate situation"
Hey, really sorry about that D: Didn't mean to say that, I just... Just.... well, I said im sorry D: I mean I don't want to push you away or anything but...

...and my quote could only continue. You can just go ahead and warn me/kick me, I'd feel as though I deserve that much for such a cocky' attitude, especially if you happen to notice it (though I bet you've probably already done that).

Particularly if Im in a bad mood (which half the time is due to real life standards, what with school and all[even though everyone has school, for some reason it's everywhere that I go I do not fit in]) which is alot of times, other times I can be just joyful having a blast. That's usually when im working on my main projects, but...

I do this for fun, not to antagonize people or irritate them. Though if that's what I'm doing I am no longer sure I have that privelage.

              -Parker White

P.S. Yea, im being honest in the post and actually saying im wrong.  :?  Accepting criticism nao?

Double P.S. Cutman plz don't be angry. Happens to me alot, but pretty much other times I take any criticism, even if it's "THIS SUCKS HORRIBLY".

D:
Title: Re: New Ghoul, Crackels! Custom made by me ENTIRELY! :)
Post by: CutmanMike on September 21, 2009, 10:49:12 AM
You don't need to apologize, just don't get pissy if someone didn't like your creation. Either post when you're in an acceptable mood or don't post at all. We're not giving you negative feedback to be cocks, we're giving you negative feedback for improvement (and you asked).
Title: Re: New Ghoul, Crackels! Custom made by me ENTIRELY! :)
Post by: Wartorn on September 21, 2009, 01:30:55 PM
Quote from: "CutmanMike"
I did the same thing with the GVH review got a 6/10 and criticised things which I felt shouldn't have been pointed out in the review, and now half the forum thinks I'm an egotistical tyrant.
On an unrelated note, this was my fault wasn't it :-|
Title: Re: New Ghoul, Crackels! Custom made by me ENTIRELY! :)
Post by: Major Cooke on September 21, 2009, 01:34:14 PM
I think I'll just go by what Cutman said here. The lesson has been learned... If you don't like it, then don't say anything. Just say, if anything, "Okay."

Other than that, I have nothing else to add. *tips his bowler hat and walks out*

Wartorn, it was not your fault at all.
Title: Re: New Ghoul, Crackels! Custom made by me ENTIRELY! :)
Post by: Wartorn on September 21, 2009, 01:35:30 PM
Quote from: "Major Cooke"
Wartorn, it was not your fault at all.
(it was a poor reference to this (http://skulltag.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=17170))
Title: Re: New Ghoul, Crackels! Custom made by me ENTIRELY! :)
Post by: CutmanMike on September 21, 2009, 01:51:54 PM
My outburst was insane, so I only blame myself. The people who I thought were my friends stabbing me in the back got to me I guess, as well as the whole "GVH is getting played too much therefore IT SUCKS" attitude that was floating around at the time. But hey that's in the past.
Title: Re: New Ghoul, Crackels! Custom made by me ENTIRELY! :)
Post by: Wartorn on September 21, 2009, 01:57:29 PM
Quote from: "CutmanMike"
My outburst was insane, so I only blame myself. The people who I thought were my friends stabbing me in the back got to me I guess, as well as the whole "GVH is getting played too much therefore IT SUCKS" attitude that was floating around at the time. But hey that's in the past.
The attitude is actually still there, but everyone gave up expressing it when there was nothing they could do anyways (Excluding DDoS'ing that Czech server, but only people like Mr. Cheater do that)
Title: Re: New Ghoul, Crackels! Custom made by me ENTIRELY! :)
Post by: Major Cooke on September 22, 2009, 04:54:18 AM
Metal masterbanned him though, didn't he?
Title: Re: New Ghoul, Crackels! Custom made by me ENTIRELY! :)
Post by: Wartorn on September 22, 2009, 04:18:42 PM
Quote from: "Major Cooke"
Metal masterbanned him though, didn't he?
She did, but he'd evade them anyways.
Title: Re: New Ghoul, Crackels! Custom made by me ENTIRELY! :)
Post by: Major Cooke on September 22, 2009, 07:47:07 PM
Metalhead's a female? I thought metal was a guy. Oh well.
Title: Re: New Ghoul, Crackels! Custom made by me ENTIRELY! :)
Post by: White on September 22, 2009, 11:41:18 PM
Quote from: "Major Cooke"
Metalhead's a female? I thought metal was a guy. Oh well.

Forgive mah outburst.
Title: Re: New Ghoul, Crackels! Custom made by me ENTIRELY! :)
Post by: Knux on September 23, 2009, 01:37:42 AM
Edit: *nag nag, quit, apologized*
Title: Re: New Ghoul, Crackels! Custom made by me ENTIRELY! :)
Post by: Linkred on September 23, 2009, 11:31:14 AM
Quote from: "Knux"
Since it would cause confusion to the public, I deleted the video on Youtube. I hate it when people there just don't listen.  :roll:

"ZOMG it's a faster Jitterskull!"

Yes, maybe, but it will change.

"ZOMG this is better!"

But it will change nevertheless.

"ZOMG--"

The King: Enough! *facepalm*

And this is why I don't post anything about my projects until I am sure I will complete it. That's just my style though, and I don't like to force it on anyone.

On another note, next time I upload videos for someone else, I'll verify to make sure that their work is actually complete or that at least they are sure they want to upload what they want to upload. I do not enjoy working with people that would waste their time on minorities such as attention whoring instead of contributing. Life is too short for that sort of bullshit and I am not one to get stuck on silly internet drama. That is all. Please do not reply to this under any circumstances and move on. I trust you're all mature enough to do so.
I dunno, but you seem to be making it so that actually you making a video about someone is kind of a huge privilege.
Title: Re: New Ghoul, Crackels! Custom made by me ENTIRELY! :)
Post by: White on September 23, 2009, 07:38:43 PM
Warning : this thread was severely hi-jacked.
Title: Re: New Ghoul, Crackels! Custom made by me ENTIRELY! :)
Post by: Major Cooke on September 23, 2009, 08:37:12 PM
That was a bit too much of a stab. That is a little overkill, knux.