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I was there, and played Wavebike Terminator.Yeah, kept getting the maps that suck for Terminator :?
I guess it went well, could be a lot more. Gotta open room for SH regulars as well, teach them there are many other things.
So I guess next week's Wildcard is gonna be the staff's choice? Do we have a staff? What do you need to be part of staff?
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So we get a "host's choice" event, and a "community's choice" event.Eh, "The Discomfort Zone" isn't that great of a name to be honest. I was thinking something like "(day it's on) Wildcard" after one of the original name suggestions for SunS. As for "all weekend", the server will run until the next event or when BestBot garbage-collects.
Let's totally call it "The Discomfort Zone". And host it during all weekend.
And I'm all in for this.
I'm having a hard time trying to work out what this argument is about. The fact people won't stop playing a certain game mode or something else?I have no idea what Ran's talking about; I think he just wants attention at this point. I, personally, have been talking about the specific problems that people not playing anything other than one game mode presents for MM8BDM.
You can't stop people playing what they want to play. The Skulltag community curse seems to be coming full circle now. I made GVH, it was played all the time because some people found it fun, community decides it needs to be removed from server listings and starts secret clubs on IRC on how to stop GVH and finding CutmanMike's address to put an end to him (I'm serious). How is that fair on the people who just legitimately enjoy the game mode? You can't stop people playing COD or Halo because they enjoy it, and you can't stop people playing doom mods either.One difference between GvH and Saxton (or MMSP, if Musashi's dartboard of fate isn't on the blink) is that while having everyone playing GvH doesn't cripple your ability to fully enjoy single-player wads like Beyond Reality (or even other multiplayer Doom mods since the Doom community is so large), having everyone playing Saxton does affect your ability to fully enjoy other MM8BDM mods and modes, because bots suck and single-player mods are small and few in number. Another problem I pointed out previously is that, much like Brutal Doom, Saxton has created its own system of players who have never touched anything else. While other popular Doom mods also have this effect to a certain extent, it's much more severe and damaging for MM8BDM because the population gap between the Saxton-only community and "us" is so large. Imagine if 90% of all the people on the Zandronum master server were playing in one Brutal Doom server. Now imagine someone trying to get a game of priv going in an environment like that; I don't think it would be very long before they would ragequit.
I've said this time and time again, if you want people to stop playing a certain game mode, make a better one! Or work together to make better game mode, share some ideas. Don't just make more and more topics about the same damn thing. I do not and will not support suggested nazi methods to stop people playing or talking about things they enjoy playing.
As for "the community dying"... is it? I haven't heard or seen any hard evidence supporting this claim, like at all. The only things I've heard are the development team struggling to make everyone happy with their "we want your opinion on xyz" posts, which I've briefly gone over with Ivory. To me it just sounds like kicking up drama for no good reason (or little personal reason) but I am willing to hear people out if they can show me what they're talking about. Otherwise I'm going to lock this under the assumption nothing is going to come out of it other than adding more fuel to the fire.I think the problem is mainly worries about a multiplayer monoculture crippling new player adoption (see above) combined with the various asshattery on Skype stirring the pot. Those are valid concerns, mind, but the way Ran basically attempted to preach to everyone about how he was the One True Savior of MM8BDM poisoned this thread to be a mess from the start.