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MM8BDM Discussion / Re: The manly Brossession tournament: STARTED ZOMFG

« on: March 06, 2011, 05:37:31 PM »

lol who was rtoast

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DECORATE and ACS Modifications / Re: [RELEASE] Energy Balancer

« on: April 10, 2011, 12:14:27 PM »

Sure, man!

Check your PMs

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Projects & Creative / Re: Class based modification (V2B - MM1 RELEASE!)

« on: March 03, 2011, 07:50:28 AM »

V2B

Why doesn't Top Man have a proper bar to show the spin cooldown? I feel like his Top Spin misfires a lot to me but someone said it has some kind of cooldown.

EDIT: I looked at the code; is it really a cooldown or you just need momentum Z > 0? This means at the peak of a jump if momentum is 0 it won't fire? I suggest implementing this visually somehow.

Gemini clones don't inherit the right color corresponding to the team they are on.

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MM8BDM Discussion / Re: Category Rating of Stages: Honorable/ Dishonorable

« on: March 03, 2011, 06:54:21 AM »

I honestly don't understand this topic.

It's a game that's been balanced perfectly.

Saying something is "dishonorable" or "cheap" is essentially you whining because you died.

Now, there are things like Gyro Cancel that I don't approve of, and those are the kinds of things that should go in here, not "waahhh trolling cutter" or "waahhhh top spin."

The game itself is well balanced, yes. Arguably though, not all levels lend themselves to the same tactics.

To help you understand the topic better, the point of the topic is to solicit opinions on what levels are perceived to have the best gameplay in Duel mode no matter if you win or lose. Sometimes when people lose to say Magnet Missile spam in an open level you might hear them say "well that was cheap". I'm not saying I agree with the notion but I find that thought interesting.

After all I'm sure you wouldn't complain at all if someone Time Stopper'd + Item-1 + Top Spin'd you repeatedly in Quick Man to win a ranked match.

Weapon cancelling is one thing but where do you draw the line? Clearly the Time Stopper + Item-1 + Top Spin combo is not possible everywhere. I'm not saying that tactic specifically is "dishonorable", but rather I'm trying to follow up on an earlier conversation in a Duel server where someone pointed out that there exists this definition among players of "honorable" and "dishonorable" with regard to maps and item placement. I had never considered that in the context of MM8BDM previously and I wanted the thought to last longer than just a mention. It is also important to note that it is not a black and white distinction which I why I suggest a category rating scale. This way levels can be considered on a continuum rather than just being labeled "this one is honorable" and "this one isn't".

This dialog about specific levels and how their item placement is perceived has relevant implications for future level design.

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Projects & Creative / Re: Class based modification (V2A - MM1 RELEASE!)

« on: March 02, 2011, 08:58:11 AM »

Gemini clones appear blue even if the Gemini Man who fired them is on the Red Team in TDM.

Needle Man's rate of fire should be slightly reduced.

Magnet Pull? Does this even work? What does it do?

Megaman and Protoman need an alt fire of some kind. I suggest a charged shot or magnet beam/ super arrow for Megaman, maybe a shield slap or parry (close range melee or temp wider block) for Protoman.

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Maps / Re: Audio's Files

« on: March 02, 2011, 07:20:18 AM »

that's a lot of actors

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Help & Editing / Re: Post here if you are okay with your edits being on the Wiki.

« on: February 28, 2011, 11:23:55 AM »

I'd like it if some of the stuff I make goes up there but not all

You can put the challenges up there I guess but I'd prefer the most to have Final Destination on there as well as the Energy Balancer.

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MM8BDM Discussion / Re: Category Rating of Stages: Honorable/ Dishonorable

« on: February 28, 2011, 07:42:09 AM »

It definitely seems to be a finer and finer line between good tactics and "exploits". I personally believe there's no such thing as exploits, as long as there's no modification to the client program or packet data... such strategies and tactics are available to all players. Like rtist said, if you see it you can adapt and learn from it - and after all isn't that the spirit of Megaman?

Anyway, this discussion opens my eyes in a number of ways. I had not previously thought of it in this great detail, but this discussion leads to a number of important considerations in map making and specifically item placement for Deathmatch/ Duel modes.

I would be interested in keeping this discussion going. I really appreciate your thoughts.


After dueling someone on Wood Man after posting this it seems like it is quite an "honorable" stage. I would rate it definitely a 6 or 7. It has an E-tank but it's not so easily accessed so as to be abused frequently. The choice of weapons is interesting but not overpowering. There's no Rush Jet and frequent Leaf Shield users can be countered by Rolling Cutters but there's also a nice variety of weapons effective at various ranges.

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MM8BDM Discussion / Re: Category Rating of Stages: Honorable/ Dishonorable

« on: February 28, 2011, 05:25:03 AM »

I always thought Hard Man was a good place to duel.

Any specific reason?

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MM8BDM Discussion / Category Rating of Stages: Honorable/ Dishonorable

« on: February 28, 2011, 05:18:59 AM »

A discussion came up in a duel server as to honorable and dishonorable stages for duels. I am beginning to understand this but I think it should be a longer lasting dialog. So here is the deal.

On a scale from 1-7, 1 behind "most dishonorable" and 7 being "most honorable" how do you rate the stages that are available?

Please feel free to include I-Pack or CSCM or whatever maps as well but specifically I'm interested in thoughts on the stock maps.

For example; Quick Man is seen by some as a 1 because of the possibility to use Time Stopper + Item-1 + Top Spin for easy kills. By contrast Flash Man might be seen as a 7 because of its lack of E-/ M- tanks or G. Hold or otherwise "cheap" or "dishonorable" methods for killing the opponent.

Your thoughts?

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MM8BDM Discussion / Re: Player Power Rankings

« on: February 28, 2011, 05:15:35 AM »

SICK SAD WORLD #1

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Projects & Creative / Re: [Maps] CS_CM Pack V1b Released! (Old: DW_DM Thread)

« on: February 27, 2011, 03:02:06 PM »

Thanks for all your positive feedback

One thing that's not apparent on the forums but I should maybe point out is that I have received a lot of critical feedback on the map making process but I have solicited feedback very directly from a large number of people.. too many to list. Thanks to those people, btw. Much of it wasn't exactly positive, but I see it as such because it results in a net positive for the enjoyment of others. There's no use offering feedback if it only falls on deaf ears. A willingness to listen critically to feedback and pick out what is real and important and what isn't (and be able to justify this choice) is a crucial skill that you can't really teach someone.

William Zinsser says "the essence of writing is re-writing". Perhaps the same can be said about making levels. I still continually feel that things like Deathmatch item placement can be improved in some way to maximize gameplay enjoyment. Naturally, it is not possible to reach a point where "enough playtesting" has been achieved. It is only through the playtesting process that flaws can be identified and addressed.


tl;dr It's natural for people to rag on maps, but will you as the creator listen?

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DECORATE and ACS Modifications / Re: [RELEASE] Energy Balancer

« on: February 20, 2011, 06:00:46 PM »

DEPRECATED RELEASE NOTES

(click to show/hide)

As promised, here is Version 2 of the ENERGY BALANCER.

http://wadhost.fathax.com/files/nrgbal-v2.zip

This version is more consistent with the behavior of the actual Megaman games than the previous version.

HOW IT WORKS
With the Energy Balancer equipped weapon energy pickups are automatically given to the weapon with the lowest weapon energy when any buster is equipped (Mega, Bass, Proto). The Energy Balancer is active from when you pick it up until you die.

HOW TO USE
Load the .wad file in the launcher or put it in your .pk3.

Presently the only way to use this Energy Balancer with the existing maps is to use

Code: [Select]

]summon energybalancer
or

Code: [Select]

]give energybalancer

Future maps can be made with this item inserted by simply adding item number 19999 to your maps in Doom Builder.

Dr. Light's Note

Code: [Select]

The Energy Balancer is a high performance and high output device. If you try to use a W-tank on your buster with an Energy Balancer equipped it has a chance of using the W-tank to fill the internal power supply of the Energy Balancer itself instead of your most depleted weapon. Beware! Often times using 2 W-tanks in succession will allow you to quickly fill your most depleted weapon to its maximum value while simultaneously quenching the Energy Balancer's thirst. There is a chance of having them fill your two most depleted weapons though if the Energy Balancer's hunger has been satisfied recently. Good luck, Megaman!
Technical Notes
This version is released without source code. If you want the source for some reason let me know and we might be able to work something out.

This ended up being quite a difficult problem to solve despite its apparent simplicity.

This revision appropriately represents a version 2 because of the key innovation in scaling all the weapon energy. This means that if you have for example Magnet Missiles, Bubble Lead, Search Snakes, and Quick Boomerangs and you fire a single Quick Boomerang it will appropriately fill the Quick Boomerang ammo when you pick up a weapon energy with the Energy Balancer active despite the different ammo scales.

Thanks to SaviorSword for pointing out the importance of scaling all ammos despite different ammo scales and max amounts.

Thanks to Yellow Devil for suggesting I improve on the original design.

Thanks to Cutman Mike for the inspiration and motivation to push the limits of what's possible.

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MM8BDM Discussion / Re: Explaining yesterday's disaster.

« on: February 19, 2011, 11:51:06 AM »

wtf did i just read

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DECORATE and ACS Modifications / Re: [RELEASE] Energy Balancer

« on: February 18, 2011, 10:46:08 AM »

I wanted the energy balancer in but I couldn't figure out the math to work out which ammo type to give.

You're absolutely right, conceptually it is quite difficult.

My current thinking is to just randomly/ sequentially index tables of strings that hold values similar to the Last Man Standing string tables if the lowest value of ammo is shared between multiple weapons.

Flaws?

It's turning into a lot of ACS, lol