Super Team Fortress Kart 2

[Korby]

Just because people hate it doesn't mean it's useless.

Dive Missile.

[Max]

Magnet Missile>Dive Missile.

[TrueTenguMan]

Don't even bother using it, it's useless.

I find it ludicrous that a weapon with healing capabilities that increase by distance is considered useless and that those who don't bother to take the time to utilize it properly still refer to is as such.

The problem here is DPS. You don't need headshots cause that encourages offensive medics which are taboo anyway ((Example: Ambassador spies anyone before the update?)). Also remember Medics shouldn't even be fighting unless the opportunity comes, which is rare mind you.

Anyway it's common sense to use Blutsauger if you intend to be offensive. Those who are going offensive with the Crossbow are battle medic wannabes  

Also...

Magnet Missile>Dive Missile.

Dive missile for salting the wound.
Magnet Missile for high damage
 

Neither one is useless. Only one is more effective...

[Kung-Fu Cutman]

[TrueTenguMan]

And then all was peaceful in Cutstuff forums again...

[Max]

OBJECTION

Why would you want a one shot primary? It doesn't even kill people.

*shot*

[TrueTenguMan]

OBJECTION

Why would you want a one shot primary? It doesn't even kill people.

*shot*

The DPS is crap, even I'm aware of that. But thats not to say it CAN'T kill anyone or thing if you know how to use it and you got a good eye.

But hey...

Medics had crap range with the Needlegun from the get-go whether the arc was aimed right or not. The Crusader Crossbow makes up for it...

In comparison to both the needle gun and the crusader crossbow, the obvious choice is the needle gun. Better DPS and damage ((depending upon ramp up, and distance of course...)) and more reliable when escaping. I don't deny the usefulness of the Needle gun and it's variant the Blutsauger. The problem here is that your saying it like the medic SHOULD go out and snipe like the Sniper and kill just like his huntsman. Thats not the purpose of the Crusader Crossbow, but thats not to say 75 damage from long range won't tear up less endured classes if used properly. Think of the crusader crossbow as a mini huntsman minus the charge. DPS? I'm getting to that now...
 Since Medics are always on the field, they require a defense weapon to protect themselves if their meat shield tumbles right? Obviously the needle gun comes into play to give yourself a better chance. The thing here is that the Crusader crossbow creates an entirely different method of gameplay for the medic... a medic sniper.
 Is it better? Yes to some extent because your surviving better than you originally would with the needle gun, why? Your not attacking on the battlefield which is what the medic should be doing other than healing and ditching the scene when it looks bad. Now remember what the Crusader crossbow does.... If you just see it as a one shot weapon with no headshot then sorry to say thats very naive. It has healing capabilities that increase with range. Compared to the medigun, the healing rate for the Crusader Crossbow exceeds the medigun no matter the 10-15 second rule...
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Point Blank:    75 per shot     32.6 HSP
Medium:    112 per shot     48.7 HPS
Long:            150 per shot     65.2 HPS
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Again just like the DPS, the HPS is no better in seconds, hence why I hope the DPS gets increased to make this weapon more useful in other areas besides Medieval play, though you also see that if the map permits it ((and their is another medic of course)), you can snipe from a safe area and target medic buddies that may be damaged and of course provide some covering fire, though your main job is keeping you teammates alive so in terms of competitive play, the crossbow can be used for reaching teammates that can't be targeted by the medigun which requires them to be in mid range. Obviously communication, sharp eyes ((or Eye in your case )), and accurate judgement is needed, but this is no different from playing sniper with a Huntsman. The difference here is just poor DPS, and weaker damage than the Hunstman, hence why we refer to it as the mini huntsman.

[Max]

Yeah, but you're looking at it from one angle.

The Crusader's Crossbow is not as useful when directly compared to the other Needleguns.

I don't care about how you can snipe with it, it's worse. You can heal your teammates? You could do that anyway. Medic has 107% move speed and regenerating health, he shouldn't be sniping. The Crossbow has turned the Medic into something he isn't.

[TrueTenguMan]

Yeah, but you're looking at it from one angle.

The Crusader's Crossbow is not as useful when directly compared to the other Needleguns.

I don't care about how you can snipe with it, it's worse. You can heal your teammates? You could do that anyway. Medic has 107% move speed and regenerating health, he shouldn't be sniping. The Crossbow has turned the Medic into something he isn't.

I'm not the only one looking at it from one angle either. I know the cons outdo the pros, I know survival rate is crap with the crossbow and it's not a good offensive weapon... then again no matter the weapon here, neither one is going to save you unless your target is shooting blindly as you are. Point here is that the crossbow makes you less offensive. More open yes, but your main focus is HEALING which is what this gun promotes. Yes I did say it would be good for picking off other enemies from a distance and I did support that nevertheless, but medics should be healing and thats it. The crossbow opens another method of healing without increasing you chances of dying directly in firring range of the opposing team.
 Whether you can heal or not from the get-go, tell me the times you couldn't heal someone because they were out of your medigun range? What about the time you couldn't save some one in the air from fire? Likewise, like any weapon, the medigun shouldn't be co-depended on anyway. The Medic really does need alternative ways of healing and this is one of them. Does it have problems? Well no duh, but that doesn't make it any less useless. Either you grow accustomed to the changes it and see what new areas of gameplay it offers or follow the same routine like every other typical player and use the regular equipment, or like other players should do, fix it to make it better.

Really, the only reason why your saying this...

The Crossbow has turned the Medic into something he isn't.

...Is because people are doing it wrong, just like with every other weapon and item that was released during the years.

[Max]

So you're saying it's good because you give up your offence for some more healing range?

[TrueTenguMan]

So you're saying it's good because you give up your offense for some more healing range?

Of all the weapons, what DON'T you sacrifice greatly that originally gave you some advantage or protection? Each weapon has it's advantages and it's setbacks. Not all of them are going to be used because of those reasons ((Eternal reward? Backburner? for an example)) but thats not to say they aren't useful. Whether you play medic briefly or constantly or rather ANY class in general, you can't impulsively decide something is useless if not used properly or in another way ((Though If I'm saying Pain Train + batalion backup + Rocket Jumper is going to make you L33T on every CP and CTF map then I'm obviously under the influence, though I don't deny it would be lethal if used with a skilled player)).

Again, the crossbow creates another medic play style that can be very useful despite the cost of your only retaliation capability, survival rate and the time to master it. Thats all I'm saying. I'm a medic, my job is to keep people alive and other alternative ways of doing so make me more situational, even if I have to give something up.

[Max]

But with those weapons you mentioned, you get an equal gain to your loss. You can't disguise with the YER, but you're silent and can chainstab easier.

What about the crossbow? You can do what you did before, but you don't have to run a few yards. If the crossbow was buffed I'd use it, but right now the losses outweigh the rewards.

[TrueTenguMan]

But with those weapons you mentioned, you get an equal gain to your loss. You can't disguise with the YER, but you're silent and can chainstab easier.

Alright fair enough

What about the crossbow? You can do what you did before, but you don't have to run a few yards. If the crossbow was buffed I'd use it, but right now the losses outweigh the rewards.

Then rather faster DPS, what about a faster arrow? I've already seen complaints about the arrow being sluggish; as of now even I noticed it. With a faster arrow, you have more of a chance of nailing someone from the panic and possibly the hit box than with the current shot now.

Honestly I was thinking of an effect similar to Sydney Sleeper, but with the effects of bleeding with a slight damage nerf.

[squidgy617]

Looking for Physician's Procedure Mask. Will trade Ze goggles.

[TrueTenguMan]

Looking for Physician's Procedure Mask. Will trade Ze goggles.

Do they do anything?