The heavy metal topic!

[Vyreman]

Made mainly so me and my "green metal bro" Snake33AU won't have to continue our metal discussion in a topic completely unrelated to the genre(s) of music (that "Forum Achievement" topic). Anyone may discuss, recommend, and share anything-metal, naturally! So if you have a love for this fine type of music, tell us about it.

Hey Vyreman, I really liked that second King Diamond song! The double bass pedals and everything, it was nicely done! Ha ha, I know what you mean about the stereotypes of metal. Some people hate labeling metal and simply say "it's all metal! Who cares?" but yeah, I understand the distinct genres out there.

Ha ha, it is funny that the "normal" heavy metal vocals in this case are higher than the power metal ones. It is normally though that power metal have those high vocals. I reckon sometimes certain bands sound a bit cheesy doing it, but most of the time it works, and I much prefer the high vocals and high power chords than those really low and dark ones from death metal. Don't get me wrong though, coz I dun know many death metal bands so i can overly criticize.

Glad you liked Helloween. I only got into them recently, and I thought I had to because they were one of the fathers of power metal. Having said that though, the song that got me into them was more "commercial" and less power metal.

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The rhythm guitar plays my three favourite power chords.   lol.
They're so catchy though, and yeah, metal is metal! m/

As for Priest, I agree on Halford's vocal range. You get his "normal" range in songs like Breaking the Law, Hell Bent for Leather, Before the Dawn, You've got another thing coming etc. and then you get higher ranges like in Free Wheel Burning and Screaming for Vengeance (the latter two have guitar solos which I think inspired video game music, like Mega Man X).

I'll be seeing Iron Maiden next year, so I'm looking forward to that.
And Vyreman: rock on my green metal bro!  

That Helloween song is also nice! I really need to start listening to them. Thanks. And wow, you're seeing Iron Maiden? That makes me really jealous! One of few bands I feel I truly NEED to have seen live at least once in my life.



But anyway, it seems like it's high time for me to make an effort to get you into the heavier forms of metal as well! There's so much greatness I don't want you to miss out on. And you can mention a few traditional metal bands to me if you want to. Not as a way of "paying back" (because who says I'm doing you any sort of favor? lol), but just because I want moar moar moar of it. :P

I will spare you technical/brutal death metal, though. I like that myself, but I know one who isn't even into death metal won't. XD


Ah, death metal and it's subgenres... I've gotten past a point where I have a problem with it (and growling, which I now love as long as you can hear the words), and now I mostly dwell on "the other side"; that is, I listen mainly to various "extreme" metal bands. I mean, sure, I liked Cradle of Filth back then (blech!), at least two of their songs, and I liked Children of Bodom's Downfall, but my first and foremost loves in metal were probably Metallica, Nightwish, Iron Maiden and Iced Earth. And then with the internet, I started getting into the heavier forms. In Flames was one of the first melodic death metal bands I heard, and I do believe they changed a lot. I also really enjoyed Slipknot (double blech!) back then, also contributing to the development of my love for the heavier forms of heavy metal. I still like them for that fact, even if I don't enjoy their mu(sic) (cheesy reference out of gratitude) today. Except Vermillion. That song is still excellent.


There are many bands of the death metal kind (or rather, all the various subgenres) that are VERY melodic, and many of them scrap the low growls for raspy screams instead. But of course, those, too, are an acquired taste. I personally had an easier time listening to such bands in the beginning, though. In Flames and the like appealed to me very much, while I couldn't stand listening to one of my current favorites, Scar Symmetry, because of the low growls. Before I get off the subject of Scar Symmetry, though, take a listen to this song by them (one of their calmer ones):

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Before the growling kicks in, the song is actually reminiscent of '80s metal ballads, IMO. It's a modern song to be certain, but it has a bit of an old-school feel to it, and I can't help but love the hell out of it. But then again, I love almost all Scar Symmetry songs, even the ones that sound NOTHING like traditional metal. They mix über heaviness with catchiness. I'm still impressed by the fact that the guy growling is the same guy who's singing. Very talented dude. It's not that rare that growlers/screamers can also sing, though, which so nicely proves those who think they scream because they can't sing wrong.

Here's a more traditional death metal song that still manages to be pretty catchy:

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I think the drumming in the beginning is my favorite part, though. :P But you know what? I'm just gonna go ahead and post various extreme metal songs for you to hear, maybe saying a word or two about them occasionally. I realize most of these extreme metal bands mixes genres and are therefore not "pure" metal, but that's not an issue at all for me, so I find it irrelevant. So, without further ado...

Symphonic black/death metal:

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I love this band incredibly much. Been listening to them since 2008, I think. They compose the symphonic stuff themselves, too! Or well, one of them do.

Melodic power/death/folk metal (specific, huh?):

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I don't listen to these guys too much, but they're nice.

Some sort of avent-garde black metal (with cleans), made by only ONE guy(!):

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So talented.

Progressive metal (of a non-power kind):

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They generally mix death metal with progressive rock. Also has some jazz influences and stuff here and there. I love Opeth. So much variety. Both of these songs are rock-ish for 5 minutes, then turn super-heavy. Kinda hard to call them metal, though, with so many genres mixed. But regardless, they're one of my favorite bands, and well, some of it is undeniably metal. Yessir.

Melodic death metal:

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A special aspect about this one, is that the type of cleans they mix in are VERY traditional. So every now and then, this one actually sounds like regular heavy metal!

Another song by the same band:

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It's from another album, and it has the growler doing the cleans instead of a seperate dude. Can't classify the style of it, but aside from the production, I find the song to be very beautiful. And sad.

IRON MAIDEN BREEEAAAAAK!

Let's continue then, shall we?




(Jazz-)Fusion metal (yeah, seriously):

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Very original band. Never heard anything like this.

Symphonic metal (partly death, but mostly "gurly metal"):

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I reckon this is how Within Temptation would sound today, had they chose to focus more on symphonic stuff and KEPT THE GROWLING OF THE FIRST ALBUM!

Moar progressive metal-type stuff (totally different from Opeth though, mind you -- very vague genre):

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One of my favorite songs from the band.

Moar melodic death metal:

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And some moar:

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Progressive death metal:

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Kickass drumming, right here!

Meh. This post is already far too long, and I really think I should just have thrown all bands of the same genre into one spoiler tag, but whatever. I'll stop myself here. Putting a huge load on you. @_@

But yeah, rock on as well, my green metal bro. Hopefully I've opened you up to at least ONE other genre. lol


I listen almost exclusively to variants of metal, so much more can be found at my Last.FM profile: http://www.last.fm/user/Metality

[CutmanMike]

Death metal aka RARARRARARARRROARRRR music doesn't appeal to me, but metal with lyrics I can actually understand (or no lyrics at all) appeals to me a lot!

Fave bands at the moment include Iron Maiden, Nightwish and Alestorm

[Vyreman]

RARARRARARARRROARRRR music

Grindcore?

Well, to be honest, I don't like most of the bands in which I can't hear the lyrics either, such as Cannibal Corpse and most of Nile's stuff. But I can actually hear the lyrics in most of the stuff I posted, which IS an important aspect for me. This is one of the reasons I do not like Behemoth; can't make out a single word, even with the lyrics in front of me. So unless it's really THAT musically brilliant, no go.

Another, slightly less important requirement for me is that the music is melodic. I like non-melodic metal as well, but I find it inferior (of course; has to be memorable, no?). This is the reason why I don't listen to that much thrash metal. I find that most of it lacks melody, apart from a solo here and there in an attempt to make up for it.


Those you mention all kick ass, btw.

[Snake33AU]

Hey green bro!  

Nice that you made your own topic (looking at all the vids, yes, it's good that you made your own one, hahaha!). Before I listen to every single song though (there are a lot, lol) I thought I'd post a few (so you don't wait forever) and I'll comment on the three songs that I listened from the list so far.  

The first one, um... Scar something (dammit, I had it in my mind, lol) was quite good! And interesting. It had that 80's feel, thrown into this neo world, with some "death" undertones. It's quite interesting seeing how it all worked together, and yes, that guy has a great vocal range (good that he can sing too, not just "grunt" ha ha).

Second vid I saw was the one by... crap, lol Efiserum Eff...something, lol, the melodic/symphonic/death/folk metal one. It's something similar in a way as to what I'd listen to, except slightly distinct. I was digging it actually, and it's something typical of some of the more (cheesier? lol) power metal bands, that sing about legends and dragons and what not, which is pretty cool in my book.  

Third song i listened to was the first Epica one you listed. I think my friend will dig this! She got me into Nightwish (symphonic metal FTW!) and this band somewhat reminds me of them, which is a big thumbs up! I don't mind the grunting in the background either, infact it reminds me of some Evanescence songs (Amy Lee is a brilliant singer!). So yeah, you've opened me up to a few new bands so far, which I will look into further (I gotta listen to your other links too, lol).

In the mean time, I'll post a few songs I find interesting.

All right, thought I'd post a couple more Helloween songs (seeing as they're the fathers of Power Metal). Funny you say, my friend is into grindcore. I've listened to Pig Destroyer and think how the drummer doesn't get tired, lol. I don't listen to much Thrash metal, for similar reasons you give, although I have to say I dun mind a few (Metallica in this case doesn't count, lol, they're so versatile that you can't just call them "thrash metal" and they're a band I'm liking more every day). And Mike, I agree, it's why I seek the more melodic stuff, coz I can't listen to RARARARARARA or something with awful vocals and really plain and boring instrumentals. Anyways! lol....

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This is classic 80's symphonic power metal!

This song is probably Helloween's only Thrash metal song, but it's complimented with typical Helloween vocals and power metal chords! I'm loving this song more every time!

Now for a band that was inspired by Helloween (I'm pretty sure). Stratovarius: technically Neo-classical power metal (or speed metal), the vocals are inspired by 80's power metal, meanwhile the instrumentals are inspired by classical music, would you believe?  

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This song got me interested in them!

This one is an instrumental. I swear, if Bach and Beethoven and Mozart and the gang were alive today, they'd be metal gods!  

Finally, a song by one of my favourite bands, Queen! Sure, Queen are rock and pop and many other genres, but not metal. Although, one of their songs (made in 1975 I think?) may very well be the very first thrash metal song (by accident even? lol). Some people say it has influences, but it would have been very progressive at the time wouldn't you think? It's no wonder Metallica covered this song!  

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Well that's all from me for now, enjoy while I listen to some more songs, ha ha.

EDIT: You put Powerslave by Iron Maiden! Woot! I got that album not long ago, loving it!  

[KillerChair]

You guys seriously should start listening to the webradio i work with

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http://cutstuff.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=723

Anyways... as for my favorite bands/songs.

My nr1 favorite band first.
SOiL, A friend of mine showed me one song once and immediately i was hooked.
I still think its a bummer they dont have any europe tours soon

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Excuse me for being a Metallica fan.
Though only the old albums are good.

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And for the more symphonic listeners... Visions Of Atlantis.

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[Max]

Here's what I like.

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Tricked ya!

[CutmanMike]

And for the more symphonic listeners... Visions Of Atlantis.

Hmmm could this be my new Nightwish?

[Camo Yoshi]

When you said green bro, I thought you were referring to me. XD

Anyway, you forgot to list Celldweller's acid-metal:

<--- FTW, it's kickass~

I <3 Celldweller.

The second song is great if you're the last human left in GvH TLMS.

I don't really care for metal when you can't hear the lyrics either.

My fav Metal-related bands (no particular order):

Breaking Benjamin
Static-X
Slayer
Slipknot (Fuck yeah, nu-metal/hardcore metal!!)
Celldweller
Skillet (They're more metal-inspired rather than actual metal...)

[Camo Yoshi]

Here's what I like.

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Tricked ya!

Actually, there's a funny little skit on Newgrounds involving Metal Man's new weapon: Metal from that one one German band that all they do is scream... :P

Mega Man's head ends up exploding and spewing blood everywhere.

[Max]

I also 'saw' (sorry) some metalman spoof where he was singing some metal song with stupid lyrics (do you like coffee? real coffee?) but I forgot where I saw it.

[Vyreman]

I also 'saw' (sorry) some metalman spoof where he was singing some metal song with stupid lyrics (do you like coffee? real coffee?) but I forgot where I saw it.

The coffee song is from the cartoon Metalocalypse, which is about a death metal band. That song is performed by the fictional band Dethklok (the band the show chronicles).

I think it's called Coffee Jingle or something.

[Camo Yoshi]

DO YOU FOLKS LIKE COFFEE? REAL COFFEE? FROM THE HILLS OF THE COLUMBIA?

[Max]

yeah that one

[Vyreman]

Precisely. That song is so metal. :P

[Camo Yoshi]

It made me LOL so hard... XD

My first experience with Metal was the Doom 3 theme song and Sonic Clang who remixed the original songs into a Heavy Metal cover. I was instantly hooked and stopped listening to Rap. Then I saw All Fads Die, and heard the music. Total convert from there on out.