V1C discussion and poll

[Korby]

It's a 2 hit weapon. Just like Crystal Eye.

[Myroc]

It is not a two-hit weapon. I just opened up MM8BDM, booted up the training Sniper Joe, and it's a four hit kill, both when the Joe uses it, and when I wield it. It removes 9 out of your 28 health bars, so getting hit three times will leave you with one HP.

And a fun fact: I just got killed by a normal mega buster using Joe the first time I tried to kill him with a power stone, because dodging at that range is harder. Now consider the fact that an opponent can and often will have far worse weapon, like say, Ice Slasher, Yamato Spear, Fire Storm, Gyro Attack, Top Spin, etc. The only use I see for the weapon right now is to cover my escape when wounded, and in most situations Gemini Laser will cover that better (fire at a wall ahead of you and you're pretty much set).

Also consider the fact that, barring Top Man and Wave Man stage, Power Stone and Top Spin never appear on the same stage, excluding copies given to you by Eddie. Having two close range weapon that are OHKO or close isn't that bad if they rarely appear together anyway.

[Korby]

You don't seem to get it.

The reason Power Stone was nerfed is because you could shoot WAY faster than Top Spin, and it was a 1HKO if you got next to someone. Essentially, it was a rapid fire Top Spin where you didn't have to jump and you never spun around.

When I say "rapid fire" I do not mean it so literally with weapons such as needle cannon.

[KillerChair]

Heck... The thing i meant to say is that power stone should be able to kill in just one hit less.
And i thought crystal eye was nerfed to 3 hits?

[Mr. X]

Yeah, you people aren't realizing why it was nerfed.  The projectiles themselves weren't one-hit kill.  When it was fired at Top Spin range, all projectiles hit simultaneously, thus making it kill in one hit and better than top spin.  You can't really increase its damage.

[Myroc]

Yeah, but with the damage it deals now, even if all three projectiles hit, it still isn't a OHKO. It only leaves one measly hit point left, granted, but why if what you say is true (which I don't doubt), why was the damage altered as well as the pattern?

[KillerChair]

Hmm... i didnt know all of them would hit.

Its too bad though... I wont be using it anymore.
Dont get me wrong, i understand why its nerfed. It was quite OP before indeed.

[Mr. X]

Yeah, but with the damage it deals now, even if all three projectiles hit, it still isn't a OHKO.

THAT'S THE POINT
It's not supposed to one hit kill in any situation ever!

[Myroc]

Yeah, but with the damage it deals now, even if all three projectiles hit, it still isn't a OHKO.

THAT'S THE POINT
It's not supposed to one hit kill in any situation ever!

And I never said that. I was asking why the pattern needed change if you could just alter the damage so it wasn't a OHKO even if you fired it at point blank. Or why the damage was altered when you can't hit with all the projectiles when fired at point blank.

[Max]

Power Stone is fine. Not everything needs to be perfect.

[Mr. X]

Mike obviously had his reasons for changing the pattern.  Otherwise, we wouldn't have changed it.  As for Power Stone, I believe this quote sums it up best:

Power Stone is fine. Not everything needs to be perfect.

[tsukiyomaru0]

Power Stone is fine. Not everything needs to be perfect.

And is not THAT nerfed, should I add. It's attack power was only halved, you can kill someone close to you with just two shots.

[BiscuitSlash]

Please don't nerf the hyper bombs CutmanMike! But if you have to, make the instant kill range slightly smaller

[Emmanuelf06]

My powerstone *tears*
loooool

But maybe the powerstone can be increase A LITTLE.

Killerchair said.....

Now it's 4 or 5 for a rock. It can be better if it's 3 or 4, so, just a little more powerfull ...i use now others weapons as Gyro Attack (my favorite now).
And with the powerstone, we must be in short distance from the ennemy, it's difficult, and we must know how use this weapon, not everybody know how use this cool weapon!

The Blizzard attack need the same thing...too weak for my friends but not for me....i don't know really.
Blizzard attack is cool with 4 icestars, it's easy to hit a ennemy! But it's slow....

Anyways, cutmike and staff know the best for us

[tsukiyomaru0]

consider the health bar having 100 points.
In V1B, Power stone caused 50 ~ 99 points per stone (most likely 50)
In V1C, it should cause 25 ~33 points per stone (most likely 25)

There are two things that should have been considered about Power Stone prior to any damage levelling: Difficult to hit and fire rate.

If difficult to hit is taken on consideration, then the damage nerf was too much.

If fire rate is taken, then damage nerf was OK.

Fire rate is just very little high, actually.