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May 18, 2011, 05:05:41 PM
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Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
« Reply #135 on: May 18, 2011, 05:05:41 PM »
Thunder Wool comes in surprisingly handy for a few sub-bosses. I ended up using it a lot against that castle boss.

May 18, 2011, 09:44:55 PM
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Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
« Reply #136 on: May 18, 2011, 09:44:55 PM »
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IIRC Power Stone does the same amount of damage as an uncharged Mega Buster shot so in my opinion, it's still useless. Others might find use in it if they can aim it, but I can't so meh.

Not to bump old posts, but wow. I'm suprised no one decided to gang up on you.

You were yelling at all of us saying that Top Spin isn't bad because we can't use well. Now you say Power Stone is useless. Ever thought how you could take out enemies from a distance? Power Stone.

At least you don't get damaged while using it.

May 18, 2011, 09:50:10 PM
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Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
« Reply #137 on: May 18, 2011, 09:50:10 PM »
Again, if you're using Top Spin correctly, YOU WONT GET DAMAGED.
Secondly, you didn't even read what you quoted. I clearly said "Others might find use in it if they can aim it, but I can't so meh."

May 18, 2011, 09:59:18 PM
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Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
« Reply #138 on: May 18, 2011, 09:59:18 PM »
Still, just saying. It's fairly hard to use Top Spin 'correctly'. At least with Power Stone, you can take out enemies both near and far away.

May 18, 2011, 10:58:20 PM
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Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
« Reply #139 on: May 18, 2011, 10:58:20 PM »
You say Top Spin is hard to use, I say it isn't. You say Power Stone is good, I don't. Its all opinion. Also, I find Top Spin fun, hence why I use it. I don't care whats better to kill something with unless I'm doing speed runs, on a normal playthrough I do what's FUN.

May 19, 2011, 01:59:15 AM
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Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
« Reply #140 on: May 19, 2011, 01:59:15 AM »
So Top Spin and Power Stone are on debate? What abour Water Balloon or Search Missile or Hyper Bomb or any others?

May 19, 2011, 07:01:07 AM
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Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
« Reply #141 on: May 19, 2011, 07:01:07 AM »
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Still, just saying. It's fairly hard to use Top Spin 'correctly'. At least with Power Stone, you can take out enemies both near and far away.
There's another weapon that does that more effectively. Gravity Hold. Situations that Gravity Hold can't handle better than Power Stone is probably situations that warrants the use of something else than those two weapons.

May 19, 2011, 10:10:26 AM
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Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
« Reply #142 on: May 19, 2011, 10:10:26 AM »
As goofy as water baloon is, it has decent, predictable range and good power, IIRC. Hyper Bomb was terrible except against stationary enemies and gutsman, and I don't remember using search missile that much.

May 20, 2011, 09:08:08 PM
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Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
« Reply #143 on: May 20, 2011, 09:08:08 PM »
So I assume not many of you have played Mega Man IV (GB) right? Power Stone apparently guarantees a hit somewhere and is powerful enough for speedruns.

Problem is, for the NES one, if you have time to plot a Power Stone's route, you will find it doesn't only hit close and distant enemies easily, but it also misses close and distant enemies easily. There lies the divergence: Power Stone only hits enemies at certain intervals in front of Mega Man (we may want to exclude aerial enemies), where projectiles hit the ground at five positions before Mega Man. These points lie approximately 32, 56, 92, 112 and 128 pixels in front of Mega Man. No wonder most of us would take out enemies when they are near four and a half cells ie. 72 pixels away from Mega Man, which also is slightly higher than half the distance between Mega Man to the border of the screen AND close to the mean of 56 and 92 - where Power Stone just cannot hit anything. (The projectiles hit the said +72 line at 150, 108, 76, -28, -84 and -120 pixels above the horizon; even 76 pixels above the ground is not particularly useful since you might want the foe to be a bit more away than 72 pixels so that it cannot hit Mega Man midair.) Believe me, I didn't just make up the numbers but that's what the majority or our behaviour - you and me, people who find it useful and people who hate it - shows.

But I now represent all TASers and say that Super Arrow is stronger than any other weapon. (for you can still inflict damage with it so it is classified as a weapon somehow)

May 21, 2011, 01:54:23 AM
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Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
« Reply #144 on: May 21, 2011, 01:54:23 AM »
Top spin does suck.  It might be good for certain parts, yes, but there's absolutely no denying that it's a buggy mess.  Why oh why couldn't it just be like Metroid's screw attack?

MM5 was quite enjoyable indeed.  The rush coil variant is a big improvement in control once you get used to it, but the way they screwed up sliding mechanics (can't jump cancel) is a sour note.  The weapons are a mixed bag, and in general aren't worth the time to switch to... but them I'm one of those folks who doesn't use anything but the arm cannon except in especially annoying situations, so I don't really care.

MM8 wasn't good at all, and I mean that as a game in general, not just as part of the series.

My ranking tiers for the classics, main series only:

9
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2/3/10
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May 21, 2011, 02:00:51 AM
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Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
« Reply #145 on: May 21, 2011, 02:00:51 AM »
Its bugginess was fixed in whole in MM3GB and Wily Wars. Just throwin' that out there.

May 21, 2011, 02:48:57 AM
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Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
« Reply #146 on: May 21, 2011, 02:48:57 AM »
I still personally wouldn't use it over Needle Cannon or Shadow Blade.

May 21, 2011, 03:23:38 AM
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Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
« Reply #147 on: May 21, 2011, 03:23:38 AM »
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I still personally wouldn't use it over Needle Cannon or Shadow Blade.
I love the needle cannon!!!

May 21, 2011, 08:12:34 AM
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Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
« Reply #148 on: May 21, 2011, 08:12:34 AM »
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Its bugginess was fixed in whole in MM3GB and Wily Wars. Just throwin' that out there.

I never played either of those so I don't really care.  Being fixed later doesn't help the original NES game either, now does it?

May 26, 2011, 11:58:48 PM
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Re: Why does everyone hate MM5?
« Reply #149 on: May 26, 2011, 11:58:48 PM »
MM5 is one of my Favorite MegaMan games EVER!!!!! I liked the plot, the Robot Masters, the music, DarkMan, EVERYTHING!!!!! Except level stage design *insert GyroMan Spike Elevator rage here*