[Expansion] Rockman No Constancy - Now Updated for v6b!

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Hard Mode

If you choose RNC Campaign Hard Mode on the single player menu, you go into Hard Mode. This halfs the damage that the player does, doubles the damage that the player takes, and gives the player a knockback which works like in RNC Hard mode (knocks them backwards a good distance, leaving them unable to move or attack while being knocked back).

The idea is to add something to single player, aimed mostly at challenge seekers.

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That doesn't make it hard. Just makes it obnoxious. Artificial difficulty ? hard.

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The hard mode on the ROM hack is considered (way beyond) "hard", and this hard mode is basically the same as that. It's only there for people who want some sort of bigger challenge for the easy campaign. If you're the sort of person who wouldn't enjoy the original RNC Hard Mode, then just leave Hard Mode for the campaign alone.

[Knux]

Is Spin Wheel basically a faster Bubble Lead? I cleared the campaign already (it was fun!) and the only difference I saw between the two weapons was the speed. If I'm not missing anything, how about this? Make it stop on contact and chainsaw enemies, but not for a OHKO. Should take at least 3-4 direct hits to die from it. How's that sound?

I also found Rising Sun... well, undesirable to use compared to everything else. Especially Delay Flame. Delay Flame EVERYWHERE! No, really. I don't recall seeing a map without it. And the ones that do usually have like three of it from what I experienced.

I'm gonna have to go back and play the whole thing again to be sure. Was going to complain about Rumbling Bang OHKOing everything, but that's known. Actually, I don't complain... ekekekeke

[Ivory]

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Do you honestly think bots are going to compare to that? Bots are still stupid and easy to exploit.

[Atticus]

What the next release needs is compatibility with other mods. It can get really blotchy when you run it with certain map packs (run it with cscc for lulz)

[Mr.shadow]

People know better than to stay close to a person with Top Spin yet it still manages to rack up insane kill counts. Rumbling Bang can OHKO at point blank. That is too much. (I didn't even know it actually did that much damage before we released it; I never checked the numbers prior to release as I didn't make the weapon and I never really got fragged by it too much. Just goes to show how much we messed up in making this thing.)

Don't mean to be rude, Myroc, but you're wrong and here's why:
1. R.bang? OHKO? sorry but no. That one i know %100 that R.bang is not OHKO. 2HKO,most likely.
2. R.bang has something called "range", Top spin does not have this "range". A person with Top spin can be avoid easily by running away from him or shooting him. If the person gets hit, nuts to him. R.bang makes this harder and the victim should maybe, IDK... STOP CHASING HIM?

I don't see why you'd say this isn't powerful.
Why are you compaining about this one anyway? W.slicer is a NERFED air shooter

I didn't say 5+, I said 3-5, and that's if the opponent has full health. And unlike its original counterpart, Rising Sun is not a spray weapon. A fast-moving and powerful projectile that also has a high RoF is OP, which is why they reduced its RoF drastically. Rising Sun requires aim like Proto Strike and Pharaoh Shot. By the time you fire 5, if used by an adept enough person, the enemy with be long dead.
I didn't say 5+ either but i have no foothold on this since i don't use R.sun much


That's why I said it was powerful. You're only proving my point by agreeing with me.
YOU said it was powerful, not me. I just said spammy. you wish i was agreeing with you though

See Myroc's Top Spin example.
Saw it. not the best example

Well, I'm sorry for trying to see where you're coming from, then.
Of course you don't know where I'm coming from because you are rushing me that seems to be a trend here  What i meant was, i don't mind if you nerf them just don't overdo it. But I'll will stop arguing before I anger you into a stupor over something as little as this

[Myroc]

1. R.bang? OHKO? sorry but no. That one i know %100 that R.bang is not OHKO. 2HKO,most likely.

Word of advice: Don't get into an argument with someone who has done the research when you haven't.

actor Bang
{
PROJECTILE
Radius 6
Height 6
DamageType "Crash"
scale 2.5
speed 10
damage (25)
-NOGRAVITY
speed 0
States
{
Spawn:
RUMB A 5
RUMB A 0 A_Stop
RUMB A 1 ThrustThingZ(0,5,0,1)
RUMB A 1
goto Spawn+3
Death:
RUMB A 0 A_JumpIf(z-floorz<3, "Floor")
RUMB A 0 A_JumpIf(z-ceilingz==0-6, "Ceiling")
goto Wall
Floor:
TNT1 A 0 A_SpawnItem("BangExplode")
//RBAN B 0 A_PlaySoundEx("weapon/crashexplode","Weapon")
RUMB A 0 A_Explode(100,270,0)
RUMB A 0 A_SpawnItemEx("BangTrail",30,0,0,0,0,0,0)
RUMB A 0 A_SpawnItemEx("BangTrail",30,0,0,0,0,0,45)
RUMB A 0 A_SpawnItemEx("BangTrail",30,0,0,0,0,0,90)
RUMB A 0 A_SpawnItemEx("BangTrail",30,0,0,0,0,0,180)
RUMB A 0 A_SpawnItemEx("BangTrail",30,0,0,0,0,0,-45)
RUMB A 0 A_SpawnItemEx("BangTrail",30,0,0,0,0,0,270)
TNT1 A 5
RUMB A 0 A_SpawnItemEx("BangTrail",90,0,0,0,0,0,0)
RUMB A 0 A_SpawnItemEx("BangTrail",90,0,0,0,0,0,45)
RUMB A 0 A_SpawnItemEx("BangTrail",90,0,0,0,0,0,90)
RUMB A 0 A_SpawnItemEx("BangTrail",90,0,0,0,0,0,180)
RUMB A 0 A_SpawnItemEx("BangTrail",90,0,0,0,0,0,-45)
RUMB A 0 A_SpawnItemEx("BangTrail",90,0,0,0,0,0,270)
TNT1 A 5
RUMB A 0 A_SpawnItemEx("BangTrail",180,0,0,0,0,0,0)
RUMB A 0 A_SpawnItemEx("BangTrail",180,0,0,0,0,0,45)
RUMB A 0 A_SpawnItemEx("BangTrail",180,0,0,0,0,0,90)
RUMB A 0 A_SpawnItemEx("BangTrail",180,0,0,0,0,0,180)
RUMB A 0 A_SpawnItemEx("BangTrail",180,0,0,0,0,0,-45)
RUMB A 0 A_SpawnItemEx("BangTrail",180,0,0,0,0,0,270)
TNT1 A 5
RUMB A 0 A_SpawnItemEx("BangTrail",270,0,0,0,0,0,0)
RUMB A 0 A_SpawnItemEx("BangTrail",270,0,0,0,0,0,45)
RUMB A 0 A_SpawnItemEx("BangTrail",270,0,0,0,0,0,90)
RUMB A 0 A_SpawnItemEx("BangTrail",270,0,0,0,0,0,180)
RUMB A 0 A_SpawnItemEx("BangTrail",270,0,0,0,0,0,-45)
RUMB A 0 A_SpawnItemEx("BangTrail",270,0,0,0,0,0,270)
stop
XDeath:
//Crash:
Ceiling:
Wall:
RUMB A 0 A_PlaySound("weapon/crashexplode")
RUMB A 1
stop
}
}

You are either using Rumbling Bang when opposing players are right at the edge of the blast or are extremely unlucky in it's utilization. (Or my more popular theory: You have no clue what on earth you are talking about.) Rumbling Bang's explosion deals 100 damage at point zero* and for a rather small but not insignificant distance past that, after which damage deteriorates. Even so, if one bang doesn't kill them directly, it's going to leave them severely wounded, most of the time with less than 25% health remaining, where upon pretty much anything could finish them off; Most likely this is ANOTHER rumbling bang fired a second later. If someone with R. Bang gets into range, you are pretty much dead unless you can kill them faster or have a VERY expedient means of escape, both of which are rare.

Consider this. Top Spin needs you to go up and hug the person to OHKO him. With Rumbling Bang, you just need to be near him. Not to mention that Top Spin has ammo for about three tries and is slightly unwieldy to use. Rumbling Bang is easier to land an OHKO with, has more ammo, and fires faster.

*Not to mention the projectile itself deals 25 damage if it hits someone, which is just overkill.

[Mr.shadow]

Don't get into an argument with someone who has done the research when you haven't.

There's two parts of a research: research and EXPERIMENT

You are either using Rumbling Bang when opposing players are right at the edge of the blast or are extremely unlucky in it's utilization. (Or my more popular theory: You have no clue what on earth you are talking about.)

O RLY? I have no idea what I've talking about?  this is coming from the guy who read the numbers and "done the research" not ACTUALLY DID IT.

you are pretty much dead unless you can kill them faster or have a VERY expedient means of escape, both of which are rare.

Here we go, right here. Escape is not rare, I've done it hundreds of times (i guess that's why there is gaps)[/quote]

can someone help me? i can't delete the old post

[Knux]

can someone help me? i can't delete the old post

It's being been taken care of. Just stop hiding behind a flamethrower and ignoring facts. It only makes you look worse.

Rumbling Bang is a OHKO up close. I know because I abused it during the campaign. Seems you don't care much for that anymore though, so don't be surprised if people get angry at you for being like that.

You didn't even stop arguing when you said you would. GJ son.

[Ivory]

Mr. shadow, you are treading dangerously close to warnable territory, now let it go. I don't want to see this erupting into any kind of one-sided flame war.

[Mr.shadow]

You didn't even stop arguing when you said you would. GJ son[/quote]
Because Myroc and The Doc are the same person. Excellent job yourself.

[quote="Ivory"]Mr. shadow, you are treading dangerously close to warnable territory, now let it go. I don't want to see this erupting into any kind of one-sided flame war.

Why? I was trying to say "watch the nerfs" When Doc and Myroc got mad for misunderstanding. Not my fault my reason was rushed

[LlamaHombre]

Not my fault my reason was rushed

"It's not my fault I never went back to explain what I really meant instead of posting malarchy to begin with"

Just stop, ok? We tell you to stop and you continue ranting onwards anyways, acting as if none of this involved you. That's all that needs to be said.

[Mr.shadow]

Ok, fine. now let me stop. I don't need you to tell me "stop dumbass"

[Ivory]

Consider yourself warned now.

[Knux]

Well! Moving on, now. Since there have been a few suggestions for Rumbling Bang here and there, how about these?

Is Spin Wheel basically a faster Bubble Lead? I cleared the campaign already (it was fun!) and the only difference I saw between the two weapons was the speed. If I'm not missing anything, how about this? Make it stop on contact and chainsaw enemies, but not for a OHKO. Should take at least 3-4 direct hits to die from it. How's that sound?

I also found Rising Sun... well, undesirable to use compared to everything else. Especially Delay Flame. Delay Flame EVERYWHERE! No, really. I don't recall seeing a map without it. And the ones that do usually have like three of it from what I experienced.

I've nothing to suggest for Rising Sun. Does it rip through enemies? I never took the time to tell if it did. I do remember looking for other weapons, like Metal Blade, because they felt more conventional to use.

[TheDoc]

About Rising Sun (and this is just me) it kinda urked me that the buster HUD was used instead of the hand HUD used in original Metal Blade, but I digress; that's not why I'm posting.

I don't think Rising Sun is a ripper, and I don't think it should be. I found Rising Sun to be a great weapon honestly. Maybe you could up the damage a bit to make each hit more rewarding (because it's not something you can just spray. you have to aim it)