GVHv2 beta 7 released - No more expansions

[Grymmoire]

Well this is merely discussion of replacing a certain map, which the replacement map has pretty much been laid out, although if you are looking for a place to make brand new GVH maps, preds topic may be down your alley.

[Danzolegend]

To be quite frank I think that 20 Gvh maps is enough..never mind 30 + Expansion packs!
but I wouldnt mind playing some expansions when i'm bored of remembering Gvh 21+  So if you guys need a beta tester/Creeper pro then shout me on here

[CarThief]

Hmm... Speaking of GVH maps, i could just try giving them a rating on how well the team would do in each map. If anyone's interested in how the maps feel to me. Rating goes in human/ghoul %, say, 60/40 tends to be a human map.

Well, it might come in handy if you're looking for a gameplay opinion. I'd contribute more data, but aside from the riotgun being a royal pain in the ass... Hmm...
Well, i wouldnt mind if Jitterskull, being a big giant piece of bone, would be more bullet resistant to not get killed in 2/3 shots after missing. OR if the riotgun was given more spread or damage reducement.
Some people in-game agreed it could use a small nerf, meh.
Ok, come on, who's the first to go into a nerd rage and beat me to death about it?

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GVH01, about 60(human)/40(ghoul), trees easily get you stuck trying to get to your target, hitscan is effecient here.
GVH02, like, 50/50, in small games, you NEED teamwork to take down a human, else they'll run away. In large games, its a ghoul rape fest. :P
GVH03, 60/40? There's a cave to camp in, a corridor on the opposite side of it, thats kinda cramped, movement can be obstructed, little cover, exellent camping map for humans, unfortunately.
GVH04, 40/60, probaly. Creeper might have some problems here, but Jitterskull and Sjas dominate here, have ghouls come from both sides or sneak attack from above and they're gone.
GVH05, hmm... 55/45? Why, mostly because the outside is camped upon, just like the inside tight room with creeper tunnel, it may be effecient at times.
GVH06, 55/45, as much as they say its a ghoul map, humans can camp on certain spots to lightning anything they see in the hallway, or seldomly create a well fortified camping spot in the middle, or hide in the farthest corners of the map. Sjas may be effecient though.
GVH07, 55/45, same score, its a tad in the human's advantadge if they play it well. Plenty of space for hitscan and sjas outside, can be camped on the inside. In short depends on the players.
GVH08, 65/35? Seriously, forest, cave, big large red corridor with no cover when approaching, lots of space, could be a tad exessive rating, but sheesh, its a human map, alright.
GVH09, 70/30. Rather obvious why, but hell, i still like the music in there.
GVH10, 50/50, probaly the most fair map in the first pack, slight obstacles to keep paying attention, some cover, and various elements.
GVH11, 40/60, this map seriously goes both ways depending on the results. Humans can camp effeciently inside, but when being picked off while alone, makes for a ghoul map. But ghouls can litterally try and overpower camping humans though.
GVH12, 40/60, except when the humans are elevator camping, there is no effecient attack against that. Otherwise, they're Jitterskull food if sjas doesnt get them first.
GVH13, at most, 55/45, its quite fair, and short. Hitscan proves lethal though, and very effecient here.
GVH14, 55/45, same, wont beat hitscan here so easily, though. Add ghostbusters traps into the mix and things may become more difficult.
GVH15, uhh... 55/45, the forest is an exellent place to retreat for a human, the insides are cramped enough to have ghostbusters and cyborgs camping in it. If no such effecient think occurs, the ghouls will have an good time.
GVH16, 40/60, unless the humans are camping effeciently. It goes both ways depending on the strategy used. Red teleporter camping is almost undefeatable.
GVH17, 55/45, hitscan and fast movements rule here. But being swarmed by ghouls isnt gonna make things easier.
GVH18, 25/75, its that ghoul-tastic! Effect increases with Jitterskulls and Sjas.
GVH19, 60/40, long, uncovered hallways, forest, large open area, and more hallways and corners, very human friendly.
GVH20, 50/50, one of the more balanced maps, but avoided because of its size and long gameplay. If you keep to area's you act best in, you'll probaly do just fine.
GVH21, 50/50, untill the humans start camping, then things turn nasty. Not impossible, just needs sacrifice of life in order to destroy santa stars on teleporter pad. Have an frostbite or something go first.
GVH22, 60/40, camping MUST be prevented, overpowered, or stopped ASAP to have chance on victory. Ghostbusters and santa traps are quite lethal here. The outside works well for marines, aside the camping it would be quite fair though.
GVH23, 55/45, could be worse. The humans can camp in their comfy room and not fire back, but anyone entering probaly gets toasted. Outside is ghoul zone, could be worse indeed.
GVH24, 50/50, it all depends on the skill of the cat and the accuracy of the mouse. Have buddies block the exits if you wanna kill humans here, if they're not camping in their usual spot. Requires more detail, perhaps?
GVH25, 70/30, suffers from GVH09 syndrome. A choke point prevents reasonable acces for ghouls, its darkness wont stop OpenGL users.
GVH26, 50/50, according to the author, "this map is awesome". Well, its fair, atleast. :P
GVH27, 50/50, I dont know. Camping outside doesnt seem effecient if a impending wall of sjas comes to bring your doom. Camping inside the ship, however, is an issue. People report this map lags.
GVH28, 55/45? People tend to stay outside or sometimes in the small building in the middle, they do not frequent the hallways. Anything other then a sjas tends to get shot when trying to follow humans outside. Have buddies outside, going the other way, you'll end up sandwitching the humans for sure.
GVH29, 60/40. What to say? Its really large, hitscan and lightning arrows prove deadly, marines will instagib you on sight, any projectile users should be fair game though.
GVH30, Uhh...50/50? This map is just kinda messed up, the outside looks really akward and messed up. Anyway, the inside is ghoul zone, the outside is human zone. Guess who sticks to who. Had very little experience with this map though.
GVH00, 60/40. I almost forgot this one. Well, seeing its large and open, has many, many long hallways with no cover or alternative routes, this is effectively a human map. In the middle its more fair game though, if they dont chicken out into the hallways.

[CutmanMike]

As I haven't been around for a while and need to catch up on all this, could people please list anything that needs doing for the update? Balance problems, bugs (even texture problems), etc. No new features please.

[Grymmoire]

Well there's the map issues that were brought up earlier, the decision of GVH26 (I think that's the boat map) and the update for GVH22 that I sent to you. I was going to redo GVH28 to be a little less roomy, but since people haven't been complaining too much about it, and since I have many more other projects to help people out on/work on my own, I decided not to do the redo.

There's also the odd choke sprite delay when firing, this is best checked out by yourself.

I think Frostbite was discussed to have a different armor icon, and that his armor regen rate would be reduced, so as to help marines kill him a little better, although I'm not sure if this is necessarily needed.

That's all I can recall, also there's the ma issues that CarThief brought up above, not sure if anything can be done about those though, that stuff actually requires some remapping.

[TERRORsphere]

The boat map is NOT GVH26. GVH26 is that awesome map that is awesome and has linedefs made from awesome.

GVH27 is what you're talking about.

[Anonymous]

Call me a N00B If you want, but I've been hearing some people saying I can fight Yurei in the offline campaign, if this true? and another thing, they said I have to be on "Human's Last Stand" Mode to fight her...
But so far, I haven't found either, any help?

[Mobius]

The boat map is NOT GVH26. GVH26 is that awesome map that is awesome and has linedefs made from awesome.

GVH27 is what you're talking about.

Gvh28 > Gvh26

The game is fine from what I have been through. I just think you should change the icon for the armor of Frostbites to a popsicle. That'd be awesome.

Now that I am here! I think I should bring this to you if I haven't already for gvh29.

Just in case I haven't brought it to your attention:

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^ HOMS

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^ Crate trap.

[Wartorn]

I kinda wish the wads were separated again. I tried to host GvH earlier and I found out it was using 2.4 GB of my box's RAM. It was alot smaller than that when it was separate :[ Oh well

[Mobius]

I kinda wish the wads were separated again. I tried to host GvH earlier and I found out it was using 2.4 GB of my box's RAM. It was alot smaller than that when it was separate :[ Oh well

Are you serious?! You're trolling.

[Wartorn]

Are you serious?! You're trolling.

I'm afraid not. Top [The Linux equivalent of Task Manager] is reading it as 2.4 GB. I am not joking.

[CutmanMike]

What makes it smaller when they're separate? Supergod insisted that it would be better for servers if it was less files.

[Wartorn]

If I knew I would experiment with it a bit and tell you. Before the max my GvH server would run up in ram would be 1.2 GB.

[Mobius]

If I knew I would experiment with it a bit and tell you. Before the max my GvH server would run up in ram would be 1.2 GB.

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Are you sure it isn't bad ram or a memory allocation failure on Linux's part? My SKILL server is doing fine, though a bit higher than normal.

[Wartorn]

I dunno what to tell you, I restarted the box a couple of times and it's nothing different.

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