[HOTFIX] - King Yamato's Classes Overhaul

[Hallan Parva]

Because some levels are built with Rush Jet in mind...

... and Item-2 DOESN'T LET YOU MOVE UPWARD.

[Davregis]

So how about those classes?

[Beed28]

I don't know. I'm not sure if King Yamato is even still working on this. It's a shame, since I prefer this mod rather than YD's because of NES accuracy.

[SaviorSword]

I also enjoyed the competition that this mod placed onto YD. I really don't want this mod run out of the "race" since it really did give both mods a run for their money on one-upin' each other.

[Shmeckie]

As far as I'm aware, this is still being worked on. The next version is supposedly going to include MM7 classes.

[Tesseractal]

Yeah, Yamato is still around. I don't plan on releasing a new version until the next set of classes are done. (Updating the current classes is relatively minor. Only a few double bars, Drill Man, etc.)

I think the "Attack Unit" icon is a good idea. I'd like things to be intuitive as possible all-around.

Bumped, but I was wondering: Why must something nearly useless as Item 2 must replace E-Tanks on maps? I understand replacing the Proto and Bass Upgrades with the Power and Jet adaptors because here are classes of them, but E-Tank? Come one now, it breaks stuff on the maps, not to mention only the hero classes can use it.

Item-2 can be quite useful for its speed. You travel faster than normal while using it, so it can help you escape. (We tried using it in an early Possession mode. It's quite fearsome. Sniper Joe can't use it now, though.)

[Hallan Parva]

Bumped, but I was wondering: Why must something nearly useless as Item 2 must replace E-Tanks on maps? I understand replacing the Proto and Bass Upgrades with the Power and Jet adaptors because here are classes of them, but E-Tank? Come on now, it breaks stuff on the maps, not to mention only the hero classes can use it.

Item-2 can be quite useful for its speed. You travel faster than normal while using it, so it can help you escape. (We tried using it in an early Possession mode. It's quite fearsome. Sniper Joe can't use it now, though.)

That's all nice and cute, but

it breaks stuff on the maps

Well, say you know where an E-Tank usually is in a map. When you get there, there's Item 2. You're screwed if you were being followed, with low HP or otherwise. And that is without mentioning the E-Tanks are usually placed in hard to reach spots. Getting to said spots for an Item 2 is not worth the trouble, IMO, even when you can use it.

I can agree with Knux, perhaps the Item-2 can replace something else?

Or you could just pack it with Item-1 like I suggested -- *shot*

[Korby]

"Attack Unit"

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alignment neutral(read: grey):

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Well, I'm not one to leave KY classes out of the fun, even if it is an ever-so-slight bump! This will compare the speed of KY classes with YD classes. Red means higher speed in YD, blue means higher speed in KY. In parenthesis is the speed as compared to YD classes

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x0.6:
Guts Man
Top Man (1.2)
Hard Man (0.5)
Dust Man
Yamato Man

x0.65:
Knight Man
Wood Man (0.5)

x0.7:
Bomb Man
Crystal Man
Star Man
Dark Man 4
Charge Man (1.2)
Wind Man

x0.75:
Punk

x0.8 (Normal):
Mega Man
Proto Man
Bass
Enker (1.0)
Quint
Ice Man
Fire Man
Doc Robot
Metal Man
Heat Man
Bubble Man
Flash Man
Spark Man
Gemini Man
Magnet Man
Needle Man
Toad Man
Bright Man
Drill Man
Ring Man
Pharaoh Man
Gravity Man
Stone Man (Huh, I expected him to be slower. Oh well.)
Wave Man
Plant Man
Flame Man

x0.85:
Skull Man

x0.89:
Napalm Man

x0.9:
Ballade
Shadow Man (0.8)
Dive Man

x1.0:
Cut Man
Air Man
Crash Man
Snake Man
Gyro Man
Tomahawk Man
Blizzard Man

x1.1:
Centaur Man (1.0)

x1.2:
Elec Man (1.0)

x1.6:
Quick Man (1.5)

[Tesseractal]

That's an interesting list, but I wouldn't forget about strafe speeds as well. (You don't have to go list those, but considering them is important). Top's strafe speed is very high, so it's faster to get around using left and right. Napalm, on the other hand, has a very low strafe speed (since he's on treads).

I can agree with Knux, perhaps the Item-2 can replace something else?

What would replace e-tanks, then? That's the more important issue.

[Shmeckie]

A couple questions the new YD classes brought to mind: Will we be getting the proper sprites for Hard Man's earthquake stomp and Wood Man's Leaf Shield? Also, will Dark Man finally lose that awful Spark Shock sound effect for his blaster? And speaking of Dark Man, YD Classes seem to have found a way to prevent his shield from blocking his own shots, so that might be worth looking into.

[Magnet Dood]

Also, how about that Charge buff and the stone crumbling for Stone Stomp? If you need the sprites I could try my hand at them.

[SaviorSword]

That's an interesting list, but I wouldn't forget about strafe speeds as well. (You don't have to go list those, but considering them is important). Top's strafe speed is very high, so it's faster to get around using left and right. Napalm, on the other hand, has a very low strafe speed (since he's on treads).

I can agree with Knux, perhaps the Item-2 can replace something else?

What would replace e-tanks, then? That's the more important issue.

Just throwin' some ideas into the bucket.

Energy Saver, Halves weapon energy use (Mega Man 8)
Super Recover, Doubles both weapon and health energy pick-up (Mega Man 8)
Power Shield, Prevents stun/knock back (Mega Man 8)
Shootin' Parts, Rage (Mega Man 8)
Shock Guard (Mega Man & Bass)
Half Damage item (Mega Man 9)

[Hunter_orion]

What would replace e-tanks, then? That's the more important issue.

Well, crazy idea here, but how about nothing?!? E-Tanks are far too valuable to replace with an item, especially since the power trio don't have the greatest of armors to begin with, and Bass paints a target on himself whenever he stops to fire his buster.

[Shmeckie]

Yeah, not sure why E-Tanks would need replacing. And yes, we can't forget about buffing Charge Man.

Also, the new YD Classes have re-ripped quite a bit of SFX, and many of the attacks now sound much more game-accurate. Also something to consider.