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July 16, 2011, 12:12:57 PM
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Re: Favorite Maverick
« Reply #60 on: July 16, 2011, 12:12:57 PM »
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Because they have damage reactions, especially weakness reactions.

And that's exactly my point.  It would be far more thematically appropriate for all of them to have semi-random reactive AI in-game rather than strict patterns, and especially not such pathetic reactions that they can really on damage you until you get in the first hit, after which it is an exercise in tedium to kill them.  If anything they should fight HARDER if you hit them with a weakness, such as anyone who has a half-dead power up getting it immediately.  Guys who lose parts & attack options like Launch Octopus or Magna Centipede should switch it up to either a more aggressive AI or more of an elusive keep-away style... anything to show they actually recognize the threat they face, you know?  Facing a reploid with the right weakness should reward the player with a more exciting battle while taking huge chunks of life off at a time, not hand them a cheap victory that feels like a consolation prize.

Magma Dragoon is perhaps the most pathetic example... basically Akuma who also has Sagat's low fireball for some reason, this guy is usually such a spastic threat that the dev team thought it was a good idea to let players bring a ride armor into the arena.  But oh, one hit from Double Cyclone and he can't do anything but jump from one side of the screen to the other, never leaving your firing line to keep him locked down forever without a single counterattack.  Congratulations on your 'victory', X.  You get EFFORTLESS TEDIUM.

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But couldn't it be even theoretically possible for a reploid to be infected with the Maverick virus and never commit a crime?

Yes it absolutely should, but the actions of some are seen as justification to hunt down anyone infected on the chance they might also go on a rampage, thus providing motivation for some to act against society that wasn't actually there before.  The glaring hypocrisy of the maverick hunters honestly should be enough to drive even non-infected reploids to rebel against their tyrannical ways, which of course will also get them labeled mavericks.  Hooray for fascism.

And just where exactly do humans stand on all of this?  How were reploids treated prior and during these events?  Where do they stand on the several attempts of reploids to create their own culture?  Why is there not even one example of a human agency getting involved in the global crisis?  When you think about it in these terms it seems more and more like a slave revolt with the maverick hunters as collaborator uncle toms.  Hell, it's possible the humans actually largely side WITH the mavericks and the MHs are seen as "big brother" fanatics drunk on their own authority of force and accountable to no one while led by the very two beings responsible for the situation in the first place.

Actually that raises another rather biting question: if the virus causes mavericks and it originally comes from Zero, why was there an organization of maverick hunters for Sigma to lead in existence prior to his discovery?

July 16, 2011, 06:32:13 PM
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Re: Favorite Maverick
« Reply #61 on: July 16, 2011, 06:32:13 PM »
I'm gonna have to disagree with you there. The three rules of robotics are in a sense, more like the rules made to govern out people, and the maverick virus makes them forget these rules. Now, what if in our society, you had an illness where you "forgot" the laws of the land? You'd feel free range to do whatever you want. As thus, Mavericks believe they have this free range. This is where the Maverick Hunters come in. They are more the police force, set to making sure all the laws of robotics are correctly followed.

I also think the reason there are no "human" forces out there is that it is much easier to send a robotic being out when said being can be rebuilt. And I highly doubt any human sides with the Mavericks. That is a highly insane idea. Most mavericks want to KILL the humans, or did you forget this? While it's possible they may view the MH as a "big brother" like being (see Copy X) there is no way they would ever side with the Mavericks.

July 16, 2011, 08:10:17 PM
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Re: Favorite Maverick
« Reply #62 on: July 16, 2011, 08:10:17 PM »
X1 - Chill Penguin
X2 - Overdrive Ostrich
X3 - Blizzard Buffalo
X4 - Frost Walrus
Dont give damn about X5 - X8.

July 16, 2011, 09:26:45 PM
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Re: Favorite Maverick
« Reply #63 on: July 16, 2011, 09:26:45 PM »
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I'm gonna have to disagree with you there. The three rules of robotics are in a sense, more like the rules made to govern out people, and the maverick virus makes them forget these rules.

Asimov's 3 rules don't and can't apply here because if reploids followed them they couldn't possibly be considered to have free will, which is the whole point.  The 3 rules are specifically designed to insure robots are subservient, protective, and self-sacrificing towards humans.  For comparison, what if your mind was created in such a way that you were unable to cause harm, even in self defense, to someone because they were part of a particular club?  That you were compelled to obey them and to protect them even at the cost of your own life if necessary, regardless of how they treat you or even if they intentionally put themselves in a situation to force you to die for them?

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I also think the reason there are no "human" forces out there is that it is much easier to send a robotic being out when said being can be rebuilt.

If they can build effective weaponry into a reploid why can't it be made as a stand-alone system like a rifle or mounted on a vehicle?  What about remote-piloted drones under direct human control?  What if the reploids don't really WANT to have to fight and possibly be destroyed for the human's protection?

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And I highly doubt any human sides with the Mavericks.

Really?  In some cases they seem quite sympathetic to me, especially the Repliforce guys who didn't actually do anything but defend themselves while trying to leave the world behind, only to have the Maverick Hunters follow them into space and destroy them, all because of an incredibly stupid misunderstanding.

Besides, you're always going to have appeasers who think they can buy safety by opposing their own group's power structure.  It Isn't logical but then people aren't really logical either.

July 16, 2011, 10:06:04 PM
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Re: Favorite Maverick
« Reply #64 on: July 16, 2011, 10:06:04 PM »
Speaking of human forces, it really puts the classic series into perspective.

1.) Robots can't harm humans.
2.) Robots are attacking (something).
3.) Send a Robot!!!

I never understood why humans don't take care of that.
You could send a guy with a pointy stick to destroy the Robot Masters!

July 16, 2011, 10:13:03 PM
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Re: Favorite Maverick
« Reply #65 on: July 16, 2011, 10:13:03 PM »
Robots = Reploids
Robot Masters = Mavericks
Thats why, Sean.

July 17, 2011, 02:09:03 AM
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Re: Favorite Maverick
« Reply #66 on: July 17, 2011, 02:09:03 AM »
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Robots = Reploids
Robot Masters = Mavericks
Thats why, Sean.
No. All those humanoid robots, including megaman, are called robot masters.
Anyway these bad robot masters are not "mavericks" because they obbey Wily. Maybe he reprogrammed their ROMs making them able to hurt people.

July 17, 2011, 02:35:35 AM
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Re: Favorite Maverick
« Reply #67 on: July 17, 2011, 02:35:35 AM »
You heard Wily: "A robot cannot harm a human".

That's why Mavericks were different than Robot Masters.
It's also why it doesn't make any sense that Human's don't run in there and defeat Air Man!

July 18, 2011, 03:11:00 AM
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Re: Favorite Maverick
« Reply #68 on: July 18, 2011, 03:11:00 AM »
X1 - Storm Eagle
X2 - Wire Sponge
X3 - Gravity Beetle
X4 - Cyber Peacock
X5 - Axle Rose

Don't care bout X6-X8

July 19, 2011, 04:46:37 AM
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Re: Favorite Maverick
« Reply #69 on: July 19, 2011, 04:46:37 AM »
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I don't really like the X series as much as the classic. I guess I'll go with Boomer Kuwanger. He was really weird, and has a cool name. I only ever played Mega Man X1-3.
same as CutmanMike I like boomer kuwanger, his 8-bit version rocks!!!!

August 27, 2011, 04:59:34 AM
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Re: Favorite Maverick
« Reply #70 on: August 27, 2011, 04:59:34 AM »
X1: Boomer Kuwanger is too overrated. Screw him. Chill Penguin is one badass mofo!! (lolwut). And theres something about his design that I like. (My favorite animal is penguins).
X2: Bubble Crab. I have a thing for barrier-using robot masters and Mavericks. Plus. He looks awesome.

I'm new to the X series, and I'm educating myself about the series right now.

August 27, 2011, 11:56:13 AM
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Re: Favorite Maverick
« Reply #71 on: August 27, 2011, 11:56:13 AM »
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But couldn't it be even theoretically possible for a reploid to be infected with the Maverick virus and never commit a crime?

No.  Because remember Dr.Doppler he was infected and as soon as he was infected he went ape shit and tried to destroy the world.

And look at Squid Adler.  As soon as he was infected he attacked the player.  

And look at Sigma, he didn't go maverick at will, like he said he did.  When he fought Zero, the virus was passed to him.  Then he went ape shit. (and insane I might add)

And look at Zero himself.  When wily created the virus from the evil energy from MM8,  and put it all into Zero he went ape shit too, so Wily put him into a capsule, then when the Maverick Hunters woke up Zero, he went ape shit again because of the virus,  and when he passed it on the Sigma, most of the virus went out of him and he had no idea what he did and he turned good (because most of the virus was out of him) but a little was still left,  thats why he turned into Nightmare Zero when hes exposed to alot of the Maverick Virus, and Zero himself spread the virus around the world on his missions, because he still has a little of the virus still in him.  So indirectly, Zero is still doing his original pupose: spreading the virus.

August 27, 2011, 02:10:19 PM
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Re: Favorite Maverick
« Reply #72 on: August 27, 2011, 02:10:19 PM »
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X1: Boomer Kuwanger is too overrated. Screw him.

Name 7 people not on Cutstuff that say that Kuwanger is the Best Maverick.

A majority pick Storm Eagle over Kuwanger.

August 27, 2011, 02:19:03 PM
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Re: Favorite Maverick
« Reply #73 on: August 27, 2011, 02:19:03 PM »
I personally really like Bubble Crab and Gravity Beetle. Also Armored Armadillo.

August 27, 2011, 02:21:12 PM
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Re: Favorite Maverick
« Reply #74 on: August 27, 2011, 02:21:12 PM »
Gravity Beetbood has the Best Japanese name ever created.