MM8BDM Best-Ever Servers

[fabledfrostbrand]

Now that I think about it, why are we even bickering about this?  Even if we all could come to a consensus as to how we as a community should be using Best-Ever, no one here has any real power to force anyone to do anything.  Sure, it'd be nice if people were a little more considerate and didn't just host servers and abandon them or host redundant servers or host private servers that last more than 1 day, but it's not like anyone here can prevent people from signing up for a Best-Ever account, or take down servers created by people.  These things aren't even against the rules on the forum topic (still doesn't make it okay, but whatevs).  Ultimately, it falls in the hands of Jenova/Watermelon/Metal as to how people are using Best-Ever, and if they aren't making a big fuss over how we're using Best-Ever, why should we?

[Tengu]

As of right now there are two regular Saxton Hale servers and THREE classes Saxton Hale servers. I am greatly disappointed.

[fabledfrostbrand]

Welp, looks like a good number of Best-Ever servers were purged.  Guess they got someone to close inactive servers.  From what I hear, next version of Best-Ever will auto-axe any inactive servers.  Good stuff.

[Emmanuelf06]

I don't understand why so much people like Classes no-buckshot DUEL....it's a bad joke.
Classes are made for TLMS right? Or TDM (but less). But not for possession, duel or CTF.

Duel classes is like : You see the map, you see your partner, use the best robotmaster to take the advantage....It's fun sometimes if you want to be cheap for the LOL but it's boring....specially with no-buckshot.

A lot of people play it and will be against me but i think, a TLMS (with more than 1 life by exemple) can be really more fun.

But people want so much do a show off with duel style :/ ... (and some guys play ONLY Duel classes)......

Duel normal mode is pretty better, it's the normal mode of this "doom-like". So it's made for it but not classes mode.

Can you imagine TF2 with Duel classes? Not really the same thing but a little right?

My Tourney were really for the fun of a fanboy thing but it wasnt really so great I think.

[Orange juice :l]

Classes duel isn't exactly balanced, but it provides variety. It's "casual-competitive".

[Emmanuelf06]

Classes duel isn't exactly balanced, but it provides variety. It's "casual-competitive".

Sure. :v

I can try to make a TLMS server but not sure It works with my internet o:

[Rozark]

Classes duel isn't exactly balanced, but it provides variety. It's "casual-competitive".

How in the world is classes duel "Casual Competitive"?
That doesn't even make sense.
You're basically just making compound sentences like you did back in the 2nd grade.

You took the Classes (Casual) and the Duel (Competitive) and put them together to make Classes Duel, which must make it Casual Competitive, right?

RIGHT?

No, it's not right. Separately they have different meanings, but together it's competitive.

It's as if a sandwich was a witch who casted desert based spells. It just doesn't work like that.

[Orange juice :l]

It's a more casual take on competitive gameplay. Classes is a way to take duel less seriously, while still keeping the competitive atmosphere.

I realize you're probably getting angry because I'm not agreeing with you in this thread, but try to keep it mature.

[Rozark]

Because using a real life example of exactly what you're doing is getting angry.
Ok.
It's not as if I don't USUALLY throw some sort of silly example in to back up my point.

Anyways, Classes doesn't lighten up duel, if anything, it makes duel more competitive.
For instance, in regular DM everyone is a Megaman. Ok, besides weapons that isn't really competitive.
Classes increases this by x10 simply because of the variety. Oh, you're playing Gyroman? Allow me to be a prick and play Gravityman, screwing over your duel record and not being competitive about it. Because OJ, you seem like a man of refined taste that would know that counters don't at all make a game more competitive.

[Orange juice :l]

Anyways, Classes doesn't lighten up duel, if anything, it makes duel more competitive.

Allow me to be a prick and play Gravityman, screwing over your duel record and not being competitive about it

not being competitive

counters don't at all make a game more competitive

Classes doesn't lighten up duel, if anything, it makes duel more competitive.

I'm getting some serious mixed signals here.

And real world examples aren't a sign of anger, but you certainly came off as angry when you ignored my argument, called me a second grader, and insulted my wording.

[Rozark]

There's this new thing called sarcasm, that must be why you're getting "mixed signals".

I never said you personally were a second grader. I said that making compound sentences was a second grade skill.

I'm not ignoring your argument but rather making it invalid. You're not even providing evidence besides saying "This is Casual Competitive because it's classes". I'm not going to use an example here because you're not supposed to get into those arguments on the internet, but you know what i'm talking about. subliminal messaging at its greatest

Now until you present solid evidence on anything at all, stop making it seem like you own the best ever servers, and acknowledge that non "metagame" mods can and will be hosted on bestever, I have no further comments.

Thank you and have a nice day.

[SmashTheEchidna]

Good lord, what does it even matter?

[Orange juice :l]

There's this new thing called sarcasm, that must be why you're getting "mixed signals".
You can't read sarcasm. That's something you learn in Third grade, so sorry if I haven't learned quite that far yet.

I never said you personally were a second grader. I said that making compound sentences was a second grade skill.
You smell like garbage.
Don't worry, I didn't say you were garbage, so it's all ok!

I'm not ignoring your argument but rather making it invalid.
You didn't.
You're not even providing evidence besides saying "This is Casual Competitive because it's classes".
Did I even need to prove this in the first place??? I suggested that Classes Duel was a casual take on competitive gameplay to Stonefunk, which, I may add, he agreed with, and then you totally flipped your shit about it.
I'm not going to use an example here because you're not supposed to get into those arguments on the internet
Yeah, better rescue your image while you can. But really, if people don't argue, nothing gets done, and the world comes to a standstill. Put on your fourth-grader pants and have a mature discussion.
subliminal messaging at its greatest
It's almost like you wanted to have some sort of rhetorical meaning here, but I can't really find it. Let me put on my sarcasm-reading glasses.

Now until you present solid evidence on anything at all
Oooh, now I'm scared. He wants evidence on something subjective.
stop making it seem like you own the best ever servers and acknowledge that non "metagame" mods can and will be hosted on bestever, I have no further comments.
Again, you're going after something that has no base in reality. If you honestly think I'm conspiring to take a monopoly on Best-Ever, I think you should just leave and think about life for a few hours.

Thank you and have a nice day.
So does that mean you're giving up?

[Ivory]

This is edging too close to be insulting and a flamewar. If this keeps up, there will be warnings and this applies to both of you. Got it?

[Shade Guy]

I'm seeing the word 'competitive' thrown around a lot here. I thought 'balance' was the go-to word!

...Anyway, there is little reason to think that Classes makes the game more competitive. It looks like Rozark is suggesting that simply, variety=competitivity, which is a bit dubious already, but keep in mind that with Classes, there may be more, well, classes, but you're restricted to an average of two attacks at a time. With vanilla, you have access to every weapon available to you at once. Sure, you can swap classes, but alternating classes (and subsequently, weapons) still requires you to die and respawn/spectate and rejoin/whatever. Here, variety is less restricted in vanilla, to an extent...And following the logic presented, less restriction on variety=more competitive.

As for countering, it is also more immediate in vanilla, once again because you have every weapon available at once. Sure, you can swap classes to Gravity Man to counter someone playing as Gyro Man, but you still have to wait until you die/whatever to counter it. If someone is spamming Leaf Shield in vanilla, you can swap to a fire/ripping weapon, and that's it. Once again, less restriction.

Plus, the existence of classes like Gravity Man (who has access to AOE attacks + ceiling walking, which MM8BDM maps weren't designed for) certainly sounds like it lightens up Duel.

But now I've gone too far off-topic. That's probably why OJ has apparently not posted 'solid evidence' on the matter of Classes, since it isn't relevant at all...And I'm probably too late to discuss the subject, anyway.

On the subject of Best-Ever, it is silly to suggest that OJ is acting like he owns the Best-Ever servers. He's only calling for some sensibility when using the service, and to put some thought into what you're hosting. He doesn't appear to have many (if any) servers up using BE either, so he can't really be accused of monopolizing either. It seems like most people have agreed on the matter of responsibility, but for some reason people are still arguing? I don't get it. And what is Rozark referring to by 'non metagame' mods? Does it mean 'competitive only' or something? Because when OJ suggested hosting possibilities when conserving BE use to 15 servers, he did acknowledge and accomodate for those sort of 'non metagame' mods.

Also, I noticed that the Best-Ever server 'MM8BDM Mission for sane individuals' is using an outdated version of MMSP, which is no good. I dunno who set it up, but just pointing it out.