Balrog's Fixed Saxton Hale - Reports of my death, yadayada

[ZeStopper]

Isn't it also kind of in the Hale formula to have OHKO melee attacks or ~2HKO projectiles

see this is why I stopped caring about this mode


all the bosses are reskins of each other with slightly different rages


this is also why I love Curly and Quote more than anything in the goddam universe
because they break your precious "formula" to bite-sized pieces AND THEY'RE STILL COOL

I agree, running around punching stuff is going to get old. But we have to consider the basic for the whole core game:WE SHOOT THE CRAP OUTTA STUFF!
If we don't focus on that, Melee is going to get old. Shooting is why people still play franchises like CoD, Doom, and all those other FPS.

If Melee is going to be included, turn it into a Fighter.

[tsukiyomaru0]

If Melee is going to be included, turn it into a Fighter.

turn it into a Fighter.

turn it into a Fighter.

Did you know that I was thinking about this long before? I mean: DBZ8BDM, DW8BDM, Smash Bros Mod...

[Ceridran]

It's a thiiing~

Actually, it's just an attempt that likely fails.

Name: M. Bison

Skin: M.Bison (Llamahombre, if permitted.)
Color: Dark Red (Primary) Red (Secondary)

Attack:

3 hit combo with a punch, (Light damage) then a kick, (Medium damage) and then a Scissor Kick. (Vertical spin kick) (Heavy damage)

If held down, Bison starts charging his right hand with Psycho Power, and then surrounds himself in Psycho Energy while flying spinning towards his opponents, similar to a torpedo. (Psycho Crusher) The damage is up to you: a well balanced amount of ripper damage.

Item: Bison Warp

Bison warps forward the distance of 2 and a half players, facing torwards his previous location.

Rage: Nightmare Booster

2 consecutive Scissor Kicks moving forward to grab his enemies for his attack, then a Psycho Crusher aimed upward, launching him and his caught foes upward, in which he proceeds to slam his foes torward the ground with him, which is an OHKO.

Obituaries:

"M.Bison's ([hale]) Psycho Power fed off of [victim]"
"[victim] was sent to the grave by M.Bison([hale])"

Health:

800 - +135 per player.

Music:

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[Hallan Parva]

M. Bison

convince Llama to make extra Bison rotations for Psycho Crusher diving and I'm on it

oh yeah the HUD will probably be the Mega Man hand because lazy





also this

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[LlamaHombre]

If you people actually convince Balrog to put in a Bison hale then I'd be willing to sprite whatever is necessary

[Accel]

Honestly, I really get where Aura is coming from. A lot of the Hales play exactly the same, and I honestly hate playing as the Hale for that exact reason. I prefer playing as a Survivor/Megaman/Whatever instead, simply because I don't find playing as the Hales FUN. The only truly unique thing about most of them is their rages.

If this mod were more varied, I could see myself playing it more, and I honestly like the concept of the new Gilgamesh. I haven't seen him in practice however.

[SmashTheEchidna]

This is why I try to make every one of my hale suggestions play differently somehow. Honestly the only good suggestion that made it in was the Cave Story Duo.
Also

Ghost of Starman - First off, Starmen do NOT have claws. They have tentacles. Now, the Ghost of Starmen's predecessor only have two attacks: PSI Starstorm Alpha and PSI Starstorm Omega (it's current rage.) The menacing smile thing doesn't count since it's just a timer for PSI Starstorm Omega. So what we can do is find some way to incorperate PSI Starstorm Alpha as Ghost of Starman's main attack.

^ This.
I'm pretty sure I brought up the issue some time ago, and even offered a way to make it over. AND FTX and I made a skin for him, too.

[The Killer Nacho]

I honestly like the concept of the new Gilgamesh. I haven't seen him in practice however.

. . .

Is comment even necessary for this? I don't want to be like DarkAura (whiny simpletons, can't do shit) and throw around harsh language in a discussion I thought this community could handle, but if you haven't even seen Gilgamesh in play, much less play as him, then you have no idea how much of a joke he's become. If some of you (-coughSmashBroPlusBcoughcough-) read my entire post, you would see I'm not an advocate of the Hale Formula either, as I am actually in support of scrapping Saxton Hale himself in favor of a new replacement. DarkAura, what exactly is "click-to-win" about Saxton Hale? I agree that it's far from competitive, but I didn't know holding the mouse button made you win. Perhaps the survivors like to be sliced to oblivion and thus come near the Hale for fun? Clearly I'm too much of a "whiny simpleton" to realize that just because this game isn't competitve, it's not necessarily a total joke where one side is always supposed to win. Life isn't that black and white, and that's what Saxton Hale is turning into. Does the community agree with DarkAura in saying a random selection of "oh, I hope the enemy takes more than one damage" weapons is "a bit more difficult to kill people" with than a reliable OHKO Excalibur? While I'm not a formula supporter, the issue of formulaic gameplay should be second to balance that adds at least some motivation to try to win in light of the fact that you might actually do so. If Hale's are bland reskins to you, then add the Hale ideas the community has been giving you rather than making Hales less enjoyable to play in the name of variety.

[SmashTheEchidna]

If Hale's are bland reskins to you, then add the Hale ideas the community has been giving you rather than making Hales less enjoyable to play in the name of variety.

See, the problem with that is, It's not DarkAura making and adding the hales. Remember, Balrog's in charge of that. And the last time we got a new hale was how long ago?

[The Killer Nacho]

I'm not trying to pin all of this on DarkAura, I'm just saying that tossing insults at those you're trying to convince isn't the best course of action and that ironically he himself might be afraid to accept change in that he does not wish to consider the idea of changes to his changes.

[SmashTheEchidna]

Nice triple post there.

[Balrog]

Okay, this is what I'm hearing right now:

* The latter are getting mad at the new-ish Gilgamesh all because he's a bit more difficult to kill people as.
* The latter are scared of change as well as trying new things.
* The latter is nothing more than a bunch of whiny simpletons that don't want to strain themselves to win, preferring a "click-to-win" strategy.
* The latter can't do shit in all the other game modes so they play this mod so they actually have the skill to kill everyone and win.

All my faith in the latter is gone.

I've been arguing something like this for a while now, only instead of assuming that people played Saxton Hale so they can click-to-win, I assumed that people played it because they "can't do shit" and want to win despite that fact.

Ghost of Starman - First off, Starmen do NOT have claws. They have tentacles. Now, the Ghost of Starmen's predecessor only have two attacks: PSI Starstorm Alpha and PSI Starstorm Omega (it's current rage.) The menacing smile thing doesn't count since it's just a timer for PSI Starstorm Omega. So what we can do is find some way to incorperate PSI Starstorm Alpha as Ghost of Starman's main attack.

Ra Thor Reborn - I guess using the Black Hole is unique...to an extent. Maybe somehow incorperating the possession invuse into his main attack. It'd make him seem more like a Roboenza carrier, making a nod to the just-as-treated mod, sending his wave of minions to do all the bloody work. Also a nod to the previously mentioned mod.

Morshu - When he gets his Lamp Oil and Rope, then he'll be fine.

GOS is kinda lame, tbh.  I guess he can get an Astro Crush main.

If you want an all Roboenza hale, play Roboenza.

Morshu rework is pretty much just waiting on me to write the rope code.

Do what you must to bring more uniqueness to this gone-to-hell mod, but I still stand my ground with my newly-found hatred for such.

Well, sorry about that. It was fun while it lasted.

If Hale's are bland reskins to you, then add the Hale ideas the community has been giving you rather than making Hales less enjoyable to play in the name of variety.

See, the problem with that is, It's not DarkAura making and adding the hales. Remember, Balrog's in charge of that. And the last time we got a new hale was how long ago?

Actually, this kinda is DarkAura's fault. If you're really that butthurt about it, I can always revert the changes in the next version. Next hale I'll probably put up to a poll.

Also, report bugs here. Whining about them in the servers guarantees that they will never get fixed.

[The Killer Nacho]

I could have sworn I didn't submit 3 posts <.<
And... I can't delete them? (?)
Don't know if it's worth reporting my own posts.
If an Admin/Moderator sees this, please delete them for me and please don't hurt me

On topic, I can second Justin's case of a Ra Thor clone having atomic fire colors possibly due to being drafted (?) for Ra Thor while charging.

[Ceridran]

A few changes to a few things.

As much as we may or may not love "Yes" and "Delicious," you should avoid those for quotes. Those both ruin any form of intensity.

Name: M. Bison

Skin: M.Bison (Llamahombre)
Color: Dark Red (Primary) Red (Secondary)

Attack:

A punch that deals damage that's probably light-medium-ish. I'm not listing any flat numbers because I am terrible with those.

Also, he's probably the fastest attacking hale.

If held down, Bison starts charging his right hand with Psycho Power, and then surrounds himself in Psycho Energy while flying spinning towards his opponents, similar to a torpedo. (Psycho Crusher) The damage is up to you, but it's a ripper.

Item: Bison Warp

Bison warps forward the distance of 2 and a half players, facing torwards his previous location.

Rage: Final Psycho Crusher

Behaves similar to the normal Psycho Crusher, but the hitbox is somewhat larger, the travel distance is longer, and the travel speed is faster. It is an OHKO, if not near OHKO. Oh, and you don't have to charge it, of course.

Optional: Bison is invincible for the duration of the rage.

Obituaries:

"[victim] was sent to the grave by M.Bison([hale])"
"M.Bison's ([hale]) Psycho Power fed off of [victim]"

Health:

800 - +150 per player. (Assuming this is balanced.)

Music:

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[fortegigasgospel]

Didn't someone make a collection, of a whole CRAPTON of Boss suggestions made in the old topic (and even this one) to search through for some good ones?