MM8BDM V3b Released!

[*Alice]

Atomic Fire is balanced by its INSANE charge-up time.
Sakugarne is a dumb weapon that is basically just for trolling.
Hard Knuckle has a firing delay that makes aiming near-impossible and annoying recoil and firing it locks you in place briefly.
Super Arm just requires the ability to calculate in gravity, which is a skill shared with Water Balloon, Hyper Bomb and Napalm Bomb.
In other words, Super Arm is less balanced than Atomic Fire or Hard Knuckle.

[Kapus]

that's a pain to position.

Not...really. It's pretty easy to aim Super Arm for an OHKO.

Sakugarne is a dumb weapon that is basically just for trolling.

I disagree. Aside from being useful for simple mobility, Sakugarne can be very dangerous if you repeatedly cancel its jumps into short hops.

[JoshAdams88]

You're saying that Super Arm is overpowered, huh?
Yes.
So that means Atomic Fire is overpowered.
Atomic fire has ridiculous charge up time, is slow and easy to juke.
 It must also mean Astro Crush, which is almost always set in places hard to get to, overpowered.
Astro Crush is a strange weapon. I consider it more "broken" than overpowered. (note: broken != overpowered, broken in this context generally means something is simply /wrong/ with the weapon, or the weapon is just stupidly designed (in this case, both are true))
 Is Hard Knuckle overpowered? According to you, yes, it deals near the same amount of damage Super Arm can.
Oh I'm sorry, I didn't know 70(?) damage was equal to 130(?) damage.
Looks like you didn't read what I wrote, either, considering I was pissed with its ohko potential, not huge damage in general.
Sakugarne must be overpowered because it can easily kill people it gets close to. It makes you really easy to hit once you land.
God man, have you ever USED Sakugarne? Learn to jump cancel and use it properly and the whole idea of being hit when you land is thrown out the window.
 They're all power weapons, I don't see the problem.
Power is ok, low risk for high reward is stupid.
Super Arm can score an OHKO, sure, but that's a pain to position.
Yeah no. It's extremely easy to 100-0 someone at close range, and even easier at mid range if you've used it more than twice in your life.
 I suppose we should give Super arm 8 second air time until it hits the ground, nerf it's damage to 10, make it drain all of your ammo to empty by one single use with a full bar, and make it fall on you and crush you if you hold it with 1/4 of your health.
Stop blowing things out of proportion. I'm certain you've been in a situation where you're stacked to the brim with weapons, have a plan to kill someone that only has super arm, then get unfairly 100-0'd out of nowhere just because of the insane damage.
You shouldn't be seeking a nerf, you should be seeking balance.
...And a nerf to how easy it is to ohko with super arm would balance it.

[Ceridran]

You shouldn't be seeking a nerf, you should be seeking balance.
...And a nerf to how easy it is to ohko with super arm would balance it.

Toning down it's damage would produce people who whine. Keeping as it will also produce people who whine.

You could have a speed decrease and a slight delay before being able to fire, but it's not like that would ever solve anything, would it? No, it wouldn't, people would still be whining about it's OHKO potential. I should just be negative about every single thing I say by this point, because making a good statement is like.. . . What is it like?

[Awbawlisk]

Because the only thing that people rely on these days is getting an easy kill with an incredibly easy to use weapon. If Super Arm was nerfed, then they could just resort to Oil Slider, or any other one of the "sane" power weapons. Better yet, get used to the New S. Arm. I'm only saying this because if in the future when it DOES get a nerf, I'm more than sure it isn't going to get nerfed to oblivion like Ballade Cracker did that one time.

[JoshAdams88]

Zerokk you're missing the point entirely here. I'm not concerned with big damage in general, I'm concerned with how easy super arm is to use combined with its ridiculous damage.
It's not as hard to aim as people think. All you need to do is get used to the angle, and you immediately can start instagibbing people with little to no effort.

[fortegigasgospel]

Also remember Super Arm causes you to stop moving for a second to use.  That second can be long enough to make you an easy target.

[Rozark]

Sure, you can probably kill him in that second.
Second.
That is if you aren't preparing to dodge his Super Arm.

[Ceridran]

LOLOL not gonna argue w/ my other points zero? that's cool.

As if every class submission for CSCC and Teaparty gets a critic on it, and every map + weapon that  a person makes gets critics.

And not every skinmaker gets critics unless they have Loads And Loads Of Skins.

Zerokk you're missing the point entirely here. I'm not concerned with big damage in general, I'm concerned with how easy super arm is to use combined with its ridiculous damage.
It's not as hard to aim as people think. All you need to do is get used to the angle, and you immediately can start instagibbing people with little to no effort.

Reducing the hitbox to anything that can be noticed would mean we should just have a smaller rock, because the hitbox is similar to the rock size as it is.

You haven't even said what should be changed yet. Why not go ahead and say it yourself?

By the way, dodging isn't that bad if you're not Super Mega Ultra Deathrush Man with the most obvious movement patterns. My movement patterns are too obvious.

[JoshAdams88]

Reducing the hitbox to anything that can be noticed would mean we should just have a smaller rock, because the hitbox is similar to the rock size as it is.
You haven't even said what should be changed yet. Why not go ahead and say it yourself?
By the way, dodging isn't that bad if you're not Super Mega Ultra Deathrush Man with the most obvious movement patterns. My movement patterns are too obvious.

Do you mind actually addressing my point instead of changing the subject to something completely different?
I'll stop posting here regarding the Super Arm issue since it doesn't have much to do with V3B, but I'll happily continue via PM/another topic/etc

[Ceridran]

I figured I kept to it. We are on the subject of Super Arm's problems, and I see no way to expand upon what you are saying. Hitbox reduction is one of the options, but seems rediculous.

Also, this pretty much a general 8BDM discussion as far as I see, because we don't have any threads with that labeled on it.

[Geno]

And not every skinmaker gets critics unless they have Loads And Loads Of Skins.

what

uh oh.

[CopShowGuy]

Sorry to just jump into whatever conversation is going on here, but I'm late to the party.  New maps and changed maps are amazing.  Biggest "wow" came from Top Man.  Wave Man is fantastic as well.

[Fyone]

I figured I kept to it. We are on the subject of Super Arm's problems, and I see no way to expand upon what you are saying. Hitbox reduction is one of the options, but seems rediculous.

Also, this pretty much a general 8BDM discussion as far as I see, because we don't have any threads with that labeled on it.

I'm pretty sure (but not certain), but I think that the reason why S. Arm can OHKO is because of the bits hitting you in addition to the S. Arm itself. Kinda like D. Crusher where if the bits hit you it does more than half damage or possibly OHKO(?) (which is done by aiming slightly below the player). Simply reducing the damage of the bits or changing where they are spawned could remove the OHKO chance. The old laser buster could already OHKO if you hit someone just right, but now it's even easier to do. Also M. Ball can OHKO as well if it lands right on top of you which is just funny. R. Boomerang can also be shot once and can kill you if it rips you three times in a row (can be done in a corner in a cramped area since the bounce is there.)

[DarkAura]

Or just make it so the bits don't spawn when it hits the player (DeathX, XDeath, forgot which one it was.)