Cutstuff Sanctuary

[Gumballtoid]

This is totally spur of the moment and it probably doesn't flow well, but I feel the need to say this, so just bear with me.

I can totally relate to that feeling of inadequacy when stacked up against other members of the community -- there are a number of folks I find myself wishing I could even somewhat compare to, though I won't name any names. I try to keep in mind who I am and what I'm good at, and frankly, as long as I've got my own niche to fill, I'm totally fine with feeling envious at times. I've said it before, but I've learned to walk with a backbone these past few years and not let my own shortcomings prevent me from being happy with who I am, and that's something I would have killed to have back during my middle school years.

You've got your own niche to fill, too. I've always seen you as the "up and at 'em" kind of fella, wanting to be productive and boasting an appreciation for things that others wouldn't give a second thought to -- someone talks shit about Ruby-Spears Mega Man and you pounce on them like that. Even if your two expansions are just gathering dust, it's more due to the fact very few people, if any, have been willing to lend a hand, and that stems from the fact that DOS and RM&F2 are among the most unappreciated Mega Man games to date (that doesn't mean it's without reason, but that's beside the point). Don't be so quick to blame yourself for that -- one guy can't finish an entire expansion (read: 9 maps, 9 weapons, 10+ skins, campaign, boss, etc.) on his own, let alone one of quality. You're a capable spriter, a promising mapper, and quite an enthralling writer. I appreciate you for what you bring to the table, rather than rejecting you for what you don't, and I think it'd be noticeably different around here without you if you up and disappeared on us.

[Gummywormz]

I agree that this community is like a group of friends, but not in a good way. There (at least in my day) were basically two core groups: the "cool" kids and the people the cool kids hated. If you didn't fit in with either: you were screwed.

I feel like I can't get back into the community because of my past. I was a dumb teen (as a few of us were at the time), and didn't exactly make the most "quality" stuff. I really do want to go back into modding because I had some ideas and wanted to "go back to my roots" as a programmer (and frankly the game could use a few new things). But I feel my reputation as "that idiot who made LMSGames / MMU Classes / hosted bad maps" would instantly get anything I even tried to push out ignored. And because I feel that way, I can't effectively begin to disprove that. It's a vicious cycle.

[Jman]

I just don't see the purpose of me staying here anymore, and as hard as all this is to say, it's not something I can keep in for very long. I'm unimportant and unskilled, and have most likely overstayed my welcome- as a result, my presence here is tenuous. As I said, I don't enjoy the thought of leaving, but I've noticed that my former sanctuary for escaping my dark thoughts only seems to be a place where they can return.

I'm really sorry you feel this way, Dood. I know that negativity can creep up on you and make you feel absolutely horrible, but I think you should breathe for a minute here. You are NOT unimportant and unskilled, quite the contrary. You're a trusted member of this community, and I can say that you would definitely be missed if you left. As far as the latter complaint goes, we all have our own set of skills and talents, and what's important is that you don't develop this sense of relativity and ranking with it. Comparing yourself to others and making a long list of what you aren't will only leave you feeling empty at the end of the day.
Also wingman is god tier in csa2

@Gummywormz you're right to an extent about how some groups can be exclusive, but there are ways you can redeem people's trust in you.

[Orange juice :l]

Gummy makes a good point. This community was not founded on ideals that make for long-term stability.

[Dr. Freeman]

run away the community is dying again

[Korby]

OJ, I'd say we've held out pretty well so far considering it's been 5 years and you've been saying the game is going to die "soon" for around two of those years now.
But that's a different conversation.

Gummy, I dunno about other people, but I really don't care about how you acted in the past [partially because I don't remember]. If you make something new and good, I'll play it. Simple as that. Gopher it, man.

[Kapus]

@Magnet Dood: I was gonna make a post responding to the things you said in detail, but Rui pretty much stole the words from my mouth (I can always count on him). I Do want to add though, personally, that I've always found you to be a super neat and super fun guy and you've been one of my favorite members of the community. I rather regret not being a closer friend to you and I'd be pretty darn upset to see you leave.

@Gumballtoid: You're rad and a blast to hang out with, just remember that

@Gummywormz: You're very much correct about the community segregation, but honestly I think the community as mostly moved past that by this point. There are still a couple of people (won't name any names) who seem to go about putting others down for the sake of a laugh, but for the most part people are much more open and accepting now.

@Maxine: I love you and wish we could hang out more often. : (


oh yeah and I'm pretty chill about that issue I had with myself that I posted earlier. Is all good now, though I do still occasionally have periods of wanting to break away from my identity.


<3 you all, stay happy

[Emmanuelf06]

" There are still a couple of people (won't name any names) who seem to go about putting others down for the sake of a laugh, but for the most part people are much more open and accepting now." by Kapus.

I want the names because it's weird, i have the same feeling, i wont name any names too. I posted enough of this problem here: viewtopic.php?f=9&t=2040&start=20700
And yeah, if people didnt take things so seriously and an intellectual way, maybe there wont be so much problematic melodrama....

Personally, i want just play this fangame mode of doom but when i see how i was trolled in the duel server and nobody called a kick or ban for this "?" guy, seriously.
Moderator and others need to do their work!
I Would want play a game without read a lot of complains or agressive things no-stop when they can post the "problems" of a mode or others in the forum (it's made for, right?).

Better to bash a guy who try to have some friends (because he feel lonely and hated) than bash the people who try to make him crazy sad. But yeah, it's the rules of the groups, it's FUN.
It's so FUN to critic something when a big PART of the group HATE IT YET (even without know how was really this guy). Some people can do some miss, but remember, nobody is totaly bad, sometimes, they can have a bad period, just try to be more diplomatic.

Better to give a warning to a guy who posted 1 word (because it was 1 word about laughing) in a post than give a warning to a guy who post some HITLER STUFF because he loves him WHEN you have (certainly) some people who can be judaist or black in this forum, but this guy is liked by some admins, so yeah, here is the problem, everything started like that.

If the moderator dont do their work (the admins too), a community can become crazy quickly with a lot of drama, and then die.

Better to admit, nobody is perfect and some people need to work more on the aftermath of their acts. But if you are shocked, just forget it'.
And like nobody want admit They did some miss, it wont become better if there isnt some apologies.

Anyways, I wont say ANY NAMES. Better to be hide behind a curtain.

Next episode soon

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[Red]

As a person that often "seems to go about putting others down for the sake of a laugh" I feel like I should say this

Reading Dood's post, it seems really... silly, to me, at least, I mean, looking at it, "My Cutstuff career can just be summed up as a failure"?

I get that you're tired of wanting to do things and not going along with them, I believe I wouldn't be wrong when I say that this is something most of must've gone through at some point, but that doesn't mean anything at all, if you keep beating yourself up just because you lost motivation and couldn't do some project you wanted to do for the game, you'll unevitably end up like this every time, and it doesn't just apply to your "Cutstuff career", you can't just go around life beating yourself up because of tiny failures! If it didn't work, dang, that's a shame, move on, and that's it! Besides, you should do these things not forcing yourself to do them, like you probably do at some point, but instead, do them because you like them and have fun with them! If you spent a long time working on a project that ended up as a failure, it's alright, it doesn't matter, if you had fun then it wasn't a waste of time.

The problem I see with you is that you're not having fun and you're not moving on after your so called "failures", and frankly, I don't think leaving or severing ties with Cutstuff will help you at all, mainly because of this

I've met plenty of great people here that I can credit with being true friends during a long, dark time a few years ago.

If you've met plenty of great people here, and as you saw in the cute posts that came before this ugly one I'm writing right now, a lot of people like you and don't think of you as badly as you think you are, at all.

If I were to stay, then I'd probably just forget about the entire reason why I'm upset in a few days or a week and continue with my normal existence here. But I don't want these ideas to resurface later when I hit a similar low point

If you don't want these ideas of yours to come back later to slap you and throw you to the ground later, then change your way of thinking! If you keep thinking that you're worthless because you couldn't do a project or anything, you won't get anywhere else other than a low point again! Think about how ridiculous it is, I mean, you're worthless or unskilled or unimportant because you couldn't do an expansion to some game? Things aren't as simple as that!

You need to stop thinking that "failing" makes you a bad, worthless, or unskilled person. Sure, at some points we all wish we were as good as Ivory when it comes to mapping or leading, or were as good as Kapus when it comes to making great sprites, or were as good as whoever you look up to, but it doesn't matter anyway because you aren't them, you're you and that's what matters, comparing yourself to others all of the time won't get you anywhere, maybe you should start comparing to yourself, and try to look up at yourself instead!

I'm a rather mediocre, middle-of-the-road person

I am too, and there's nothing wrong with that, because as long as you enjoy doing something, whether it is mapping, playing, coding, spriting, whatevering, it's okay to fail, it's alright to be "worthless" or a "failure", daijobu daijobu, it's gonna be okay.

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and now since Stonefunk seems fixated on the morbid idea of having names of people who just "troll others" (what is this, 2009?) I can say that I'm one of those people that like teasing others for a few laughs

now deciphering your post is kind of a surreal experience but I'm trying my best here

I Would want play a game without read a lot of complains or agressive things no-stop when they can post the "problems" of a mode or others in the forum (it's made for, right?)

You can't just say what people can say and what they can't say, if you want to play the game without reading others' commentary, then either don't pay attention to them, or mute them, F8, people, F8.

Better to bash a guy who try to have some friends (because he feel lonely and hated) than bash the people who try to make him crazy sad. But yeah, it's the rules of the groups, it's FUN.
It's so FUN to critic something when a big PART of the group HATE IT YET (even without know how was really this guy). Some people can do some miss, but remember, nobody is totaly bad, sometimes, they can have a bad period, just try to be more diplomatic.

I think that you might be just exaggerating this part, maybe Cutstuff was this way in the past, and I myself remember enjoying teasing the shit out of people like zerox daniel or that one guy named lad, but these days this kind of thing doesn't happen as much, as far as I know, and the way you've written it, you make it seem as if criticism is a bad thing, which is not in the slightest.

Better to give a warning to a guy who posted 1 word (because it was 1 word about laughing) in a post than give a warning to a guy who post some HITLER STUFF because he loves him WHEN you have (certainly) some people who can be judaist or black in this forum, but this guy is liked by some admins, so yeah, here is the problem, everything started like that.

Now this is a complaint directed to the mods, apparently? I know the moderating and rules on cutstuff aren't top notch but they certainly do their job, taking a look at the rules, 1 word unsensical posts are seen as not sane and unnecessary, but "a guy who post some HITLER STUFF because he loves him" is just a guy's personal opinion, you don't know for sure if it's just an edgy joke especially directed to insult or offend jewish or black people, or if the guy is actually a lover of adolf hitler, either way, free speech, you can't just shut that down.

[Emmanuelf06]

F8 or better to ban ? I dont like when the atmosphere is killed, specially by this guy who trolled me in the duel server, or the guy who spam "desynchro this classe gniiiii it sucks" no-stop.
Cutstuff is always like that, even now. Nobody is innocent there. ( you are back since some weeks, right?)
For Hitler, its not good if some judaist or others people see that, maybe you see that like a joke, but it's not funny actually, some people can be hurt by that.
I think You dont realize how the bad acts can be taken by some other people...not only by the group of friends.
But yeah, there is some favoritism anyway..... <3

[Red]

The difference is, saying "I like X" is way different than "I hate X", whether saying "I like X" is just expressing yourself and your views or whatever, if you're offended by "I like X" then you could just talk it out and shit instead of just being all passive aggresive

[Jman]

F8 or better to ban ? I dont like when the atmosphere is killed, specially by this guy who trolled me in the duel server, or the guy who spam "desynchro this classe gniiiii it sucks" no-stop.
Cutstuff is always like that, even now. Nobody is innocent there. ( you are back since some weeks, right?)
For Hitler, its not good if some judaist or others people see that, maybe you see that like a joke, but it's not funny actually, some people can be hurt by that.
I think You dont realize how the bad acts can be taken by some other people...not only by the group of friends.
But yeah, there is some favoritism anyway..... <3

You're comparing two entirely different scopes of severity here. The list of differences between a typical troll and a murderous dictator goes on for miles., I might have misread this... my bad. Truth be told, your grammar makes it hard to understand what you're saying.


I don't mean to sound callous, but try not to take everything personally. That's exactly how the trolls want you to react anyway. Every time you make a post complaining about it, it only encourages them to continue. It's easier for people to victimize someone who constantly cries victim.

[Emmanuelf06]

The difference is, saying "I like X" is way different than "I hate X", whether saying "I like X" is just expressing yourself and your views or whatever, if you're offended by "I like X" then you could just talk it out and shit instead of just being all passive aggresive

Manichean spotted (i joke)
Sometimes, a hater can have more convictions than a person who like everything, you know right?
I prefer a guy who insult a hypocrit (where the hater is a good guy) than a guy who use some social NiCe way to critic an other guy. Appearance si foolish.
But it does nothing with the Hitler" problem (or others).  Again, this kind of post can hurt Judaist people who are fan of megaman (and i know some of them who are judaist....or black).
It seems, not a lot of people take things seriously like IT MUST BE.
Some people talk with fun in their crazyness. Just keep seriously the important things who must be "protected".
For jman, i dont care......but when the troll becomes very very agressive like no-stop, even if you try to ignore him, it can becomes really dirty and start to be a pain, like an alienation......
Anyway, communautarism is always a thing in a lot of forums. Just too bad it's the same here.

[Jman]

Sometimes, a hater can have more convictions than a person who like everything, you know right?

You were faced with the subject of passive aggression. You keep backpedaling and responding with irrelevant statements like this.

I prefer a guy who insult a hypocrit (where the hater is a good guy) than a guy who use some social NiCe way to critic an other guy. Appearance si foolish.

You're unclear on both points here, especially on the second example. What do you mean by some "social NiCe way to critic an other guy"? By the way, great spelling.

But it does nothing with the Hitler" problem (or others).  Again, this kind of post can hurt Judaist people who are fan of megaman (and i know some of them who are judaist....or black).

I'm not defending the kind of people you're ragging on about here, but you should realize that they're doing this just for cheap laughs. They just want attention in the form of long rants.

It seems, not a lot of people take things seriously like IT MUST BE.

There's a difference between taking something seriously and blowing it out of proportion.

For jman, i dont care......but when the troll becomes very very agressive like no-stop, even if you try to ignore him, it can becomes really dirty and start to be a pain, like an alienation......

I'm just trying to help. People will stop picking on you if you can show a little composure.

Anyway, communautarism is always a thing in a lot of forums. Just too bad it's the same here.

"Communautarism" isn't a word, I think you're looking for "Communitarianism". Maybe because a forum IS a community, after all.

[Hilman170499]

Hey guys. It's me again. If you're not with the well-known regulars of this community, you might not understand my situation.

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Long ago, I used to communicate with the well-known regulars and get along well with them. Then, my past behaviour at some points changed everything. They never let me live it down, and we fail to reconcile in spite of my attempts. These days, I'm just in the ghost of my former glory, feeling like I'm losing my spark. I don't even talk to some of my closest online friends as often as before.
Let me be honest here, I'm not here to show off nor hurt others. I just want to have fun and enjoy my time with you guys. However, due to the way I acted, some people no longer accept me and we can't seem to reconcile. Some sometimes even make fun of me. I mean, friendly teasing is okay, but there is no need to humilate me.

Okay, okay, let's cut to the chase. I'd like to use this time to genuinely apologise to you all for however I have wronged you. I am not forcing you to reconcile, but I would be glad if we could all treat one-another as equals and be friends. Is there ever anything rewarding for constantly mis-treating me? Am I really an enemy to most of the well-known regulars of the Cutstuff community? Do I deserve to be mis-treated in the first place? Please, ladies and gentlemen, do answer these questions.

Long story short, I'm sorry for whatever I've done and I want to reconcile with you and get things back on track.
If this was all a big mis-understanding from my side, do inform me.
Thanks in advance and I hope you could give me your most sincere opinions. Then again, I don't think it's like you even care anymore considering how far I've went. That, and the fact that I'm not looking for sympathy, just forgiveness.

Admittedly, I didn't do my best at wording this speech out.

BLUE FOR DAYS!!!