MM8BDM v4 What maps do you feel need work?

[Legtendga]

Well, having a very small above water section to get a weapon would likely add a much welcomed flavor to BubbleMan's stage, while Dive Man's need something other than the big, floaty room and the tiny Dive Missle room.

No one has adressed MM2DW1 yet. It's far too big for how flat it is

I like to think that it's far too flat for how big it is. Not the same thing!  

Then there's Magnet Missile on it. Ye gods.

Really, that better conveys it. And, yeah, the best stratagy on that map is Get Magnet Missle, Spam Magnet Missle, Win the Match.

[HeelNavi]

Personally,I think MM6PLA is annoying with the 2 Rain Flushes too easy to catch and the map heigth.

[Ivory]

Again, MM6PLA was redone for v4.

[HeelNavi]

Oh,OK.

I wonder how it'll be.

[Ivory]

Well, there are screenshots in the v4 thread of it.

[Knux]

Since we're apparently into a CTF map fix phase, I took my time to run over the 20 core ones and see what would stand out to me. Below are the results, with the map name for each spoiler, and in no particular order:

Aeration Sun:

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As you can see, the floor is scrambled like this for some reason.

Double Castle:

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Running stairs ending in a set of of jump stairs. I'd rather have them be consistent (preferably as running stairs.) However, go look at the rest of the stairs in the map as well. I'm pretty sure the ones in the middle going to the sides could be better.

Spaced Out:

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I've said it before and I'll say it again, too. Platforming over pits with moving platforms is a bad idea. The map is also small, so a weapon like Hard Knuckle is ridiculously easy to aim. I suggest making the platforms non moving for the sake of making non-tedious gameplay, and changing the weapon. Also, the walls used for these textures are ugly looking and, personally, make my eyes hurt.

Clash in the City:

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Knight Crush and Ice Wave, two potent weapons in this map's layout, are easily reachable after exiting either base. This pretty much makes all other options obsolete, including the Ballade Cracker in this screenshot, so I suggest the weapon layout is looked at.


These texture bridges make my FPS drop rather low when I get here. Same as the complaints in the new MM5STOX, they're better off being 3D bridges without the texture spam. Though that's from my view of "gameplay over looks" more than anything else, but yeah.

Sacred Shrines:

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This route has little to no use other than a perilous path filled with pitfalls. The other problem with this route is that it's rarely traversed, and probably for good reason. There are already other side paths that are much faster and safer, eliminating the need to go through here. Everytime I play and end up in this route, I almost never encounter people. And when I do, they're either camping or going back through the middle, which makes sense because there's no need to risk falling if you meet an opponent.


The flag isn't immediately visible in the bases as it is, so it's probably better to move all this structure to the center.

Molten Mountain:

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I'll be completely honest here. I never knew of the existence of W and E tanks hidden in the fire trap holes. If I did, I'd have been here complaining about it for two reasons. They are effective camping spots and, well... E-Tanks in CTF seem to be a bad idea, as their removal from Victory Isles would suggest.


Easily reachable Super Arm in CTF. I don't think that's a good idea.

Edge of the Dayum Son Dam:

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It's explicitly said in the game that water with spikes is bad for your health. Well, this one doesn't have any and kills you. It also carries your corpse over to more death water. Just make it water that carries you, and leave the killing to the pit it carries you to, please.

New Grounds:

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The first CTF map sure encourages teamwork with just one fan as a means of escape from the Kell Dragon pit that are the bases. Having two more fans would be great for assaults with multiple teammates, as only one makes people have to dodge fire from opposition for far too long. Namely Danger Wrap cleanups!

Deserted City:

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No screenshots, but I won't lie to you here. This map is absolutely fucking MASSIVE. How it got into the core despite the numerous camping opportunities and FPS lag inducing gameplay is beyond my comprehension. It's only merit is looking pretty, if you ask me.

[Hallan Parva]

Deserted City:

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No screenshots, but I won't lie to you here. This map is absolutely fucking MASSIVE. How it got into the core despite the numerous camping opportunities and FPS lag inducing gameplay is beyond my comprehension. It's only merit is looking pretty, if you ask me.

As one of the people who voted for Deserted City in the CTF map compo, let me just say how ashamed I am of that map being present in the core game. Yes, maybe the death sand was a bit overboard, but the original map presented in the compo had a tight and simple feel to it while also looking beautiful and playing pretty well. The core version is nothing but a bastardization of an impostor trying to lay claim to the name "Deserted City", nearly doubling in size and adding 3D Floor after 3D Floor for seemingly no reason other than "because I can". I honestly wouldn't mind seeing that map get scrapped altogether; it has barely any elements from the original map left in it and wasn't voted on by the playerbase to represent the 8BDM core, and that's ignoring the humongous size, abundance of redundant weapons and assist items, and lackluster layout.

... It's been far too long and I desperately needed to get that off my chest.

[Ivory]

That's kinda funny considering the original Deserted city was filled with even higher heights, had pitfalls, many ladders to have to climb. It has exactly the same amount of 3D Floors as the original map. Many large ladders to climb and was in general, the flow was way worse compared to the new map. It's SMALLER than the original as far as map flow goes.

The FPS is about the same in both maps, so that much didn't change and most of the original elements of the map are left in place. Most of the changes were either done by galaxy himself or by Mr. X who acted on his wishes for the map as I recall too.

In short, I can't take this complaint seriously because it makes no sense whatsoever.

[Knux]

Even so, please don't think the map is okay because it's smaller than the original. If you need evidence, go no further than a CTF server with said map. More often than not, you'll find the following:

- Stall wars.
- Flag carriers that know their way getting lost from sight because of the sheer amount of places to go to.
- If your computer isn't good enough, FPS lag from so many 3d floors and open layout.

I'm done saying what needs to be said about Deserted City. You can take it or leave it, but the complaints I've shown here have happened consistently. At least the times I've played the map, anyway. The rest of the feedback is up to other people.

[Ivory]

Never said it was okay, just that Smash was overblowing things out of proportion.

[Knux]

Ah, alright. By the way, I forgot one map.

Cliffside Clamour:

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This pit to the left of the screenshot seems to serve no purpose other than getting people who come down from the ledge or turning the corner killed. It could just as easily be a raised floor, since there's still a pit jumping section just next to that spot.

EDIT: Here's something I noticed in MM7DW4.

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Why are there running stairs that require jumping to get to them? Just add a 16 height step there.

[PotatoStrike]

Just a question:

Why put a Yashichi in all the maps you make? JUST WHY???

[Ukiyama]

Its a little bonus thing just so people can go and hunt for them when they are bored or flying around in spectator cam, like a easter egg hunt of sorts.

[PotatoStrike]

Oh. But this is a useless easter egg!
I think they can put the Yashichi only in Megaman 1 arenas.

[-FiniteZero-]

ALL Easter Eggs are useless.

The point is bragging rights over being able to find them.