MM8BDM V4A - V4B Roll Call!

[OtakuAlex]

I wonder how long it'll take for all the mods to become compatible and which one will be compatible first. Heh.

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Speaking of which, I noticed that protocharge and pharaohcharge were replaced with the commonly used weaponcharge, and you updated the ammo pickup ACS to be much different.

Also, great work on the new versions of MM1CUT and MM2HEA. I actually hated the old MM1CUT due to its size, I'm glad to see it looking this way..

[Laggy Blazko]

Wow, it took me 3 and a half hours to beat the new chapter.
Good job with the amazing boss battles again, people!

[Atticus]

I'm back guys, and just in time for the update! Can't wait to give it a spin!  

[Xronim]

Its great to see vanilla mm8bdm being played once again in its full glory.

[Knux]

MMCTF04 - Eddie replaced by Duo Fist

More like I redid the entire map. Please, at least give credit were it's due. :/

[CutmanMike]

Fixed, turns out that changelog has a few little outdated details.

[Knux]

So I've heard, Mike. Anyway, I'm gonna go start fresh into v4. Whoop~

[Dataman]

I deleted my entire V3 file except for my skins before downloading V4, but I'm already past where I used to be (With cheats when things got too irritating, but still). I'm pretty proud of myself for defeating two bosses without cheats. I'm gonna try going back to beat Yellow Devil without cheats after I've beaten the Metool Daddy.

[xColdxFusionx]

OK, so I feel the need to chime in on a few things. A few spoilers below the break:

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* A couple of the weapon sounds seems a bit quiet. I personally feel like Wave Burner's, Ice Wave's, and Tengu Blade's sounds in particular could be amplified. Copy Vision and Lightning Bolt suffer a similar issue, but Lightning Bolt plays the sound numerous times at once and Copy Vision's sound is so low you could barely even hear it in the first place so I'm not sure if those need to be touched. I'm not sure why Famitracker exports sounds at such a ridiculously quiet volume compared to the normal NES rips...

* On the subject of weapons, PLEASE switch Sakugarne and Lightning Bolt on Ground Man's stage. For its sheer power in large deathmatches, Lightning Bolt is FAR too easy to get compared to Sakugarne. Aren't AoE weapons generally locked behind a jumping puzzle or something anyway...?

* As for actual weapons I have an issue with as a whole, Treble Boost was unneeded and is really, really spectacularly useless. Sure, it gives you flight for a few seconds, which is neat, but beyond that it's pretty much useless and not worth the effort it generally takes to get. I have no idea what Bikdark's upset about here.

* I will agree with Bikdark on one thing, though (I can't believe I said that...): I preferred the old Fire Man over the current rendition. I don't think the current one is a bad map, per say; I'm just not sure that the change was entirely warranted, and the map feels kind of generic now.

*...OK, two things; new Dustman hurts my head far more than it should. And I'm not entirely sure why it got changed. Why are there walls with textures that look like actors that can be broken, but aren't? Why is Hard Knuckle hidden behind one of the game's most surprisingly tricky jumps? Why are there so many side paths that I need to consult the automap whenever I turn a corner? Can we just get the old version back? ...What was even the issue with old Dustman that warranted this change?

*On a similar note, I'm not a big fan of the new Centaurman either. What was wrong with the old one? Just replace the W-Tanks with health like you did here and it would have been golden. Not sure why the whole thing had to go; it was a nice small map and I didn't see any reason for it to get trashed.

* That being said, THANK YOU for making Brightman and MM2DW1 playable. I HATED the old Skull Castle Entrance; it was literally box cesspool: the map (ft. guest star Time Stopper) and I groaned loudly whenever it came up in a server. Brightman was a bit less painful, but it was still hard to stomach sometimes, and while the new map is a little on the bland side for my tastes I feel like it's a step in the right direction.

* Also Cutman is a really nice map and I don't think it's confusing in the slightest. As much fun as we all had with the CutBox, I think the new map is a much-needed twist on the old favorite.

* The other changes, I'm a bit more ambivalent about, but I wouldn't consider them bad ones. Stoneman, for one, is less visually interesting, but it's easier to make sense of which is definitely a plus.

* While we're on the subject of revamps, can I suggest Diveman's stage for the next big revamp? It's still the only RM stage in the entire game that I dread playing on because it's absolutely terrible. It's literally a box with a bunch of random heights stacked into it. I'm not even sure I can actually call it a map.

* In my honest opinion, Ground Man's skin looks really wonky around the face area. I dunno, it just looks a little squashed to me.

* The Genesis Unit are a bunch of assholes. I applaud and curse the person responsible for bringing their fight into existence with the same breath.

All things aside, love this expansion, can't wait for v5.

[Bikdark]

"Treble Boost was unneeded and is really, really spectacularly useless. Sure, it gives you flight for a few seconds, which is neat, but beyond that it's pretty much useless and not worth the effort it generally takes to get. I have no idea what Bikdark's upset about here."

I don't think you understand just how powerful flight is. In a game dominated by slow projectiles, being able to dodge vertically at will, and being able to refill your flight with easily obtainable ammo isn't spectacularly useless, it's spectacularly bad game design.

[Ivory]

Honestly, Super Adaptor is far more "OP" than Treble Boost is. Infinite double jump goes a lot further than the time you get on Treble Boost.

[Bikdark]

Actually, no it isn't.
Your "flight" path is already predefined when using Super Adapter, and your airtime is severely limited. With Treble Boost, you have large amount of FREE flight time that is only limited by how much ammo you can pick up. Think Rush Jet is infuriating? Cool, now take that and amplify it tenfold.

[Ivory]

Your "flight" path is already predefined when using Super Adapter, and your airtime is severely limited.

Not really. Super Adaptor can reach a lot of heights and the speed of your movement allows you to dodge trouble, get out of reach. And it's infinite to boost. You get a powerful homing weapon with it to boot.

With Treble Boost, you have large amount of FREE flight time that is only limited by how much ammo you can pick up. Think Rush Jet is infuriating? Cool, now take that and amplify it tenfold.

And just dodging things isn't going to net you any frags. Treble Boost is only really capable of being used for mobility or fighting. It does not have enough ammo for both. And it's only in a few maps as it is. Few of which are already flying-centric, like Wind and has flying counter weapons.

[xColdxFusionx]

...And all you can use is the world's shittiest spread buster while everyone else has weapons that aren't terrible.

People who are actually good at the game can lead their shots
and/or use Proto Buster/Magnet Missile/Dive Missile to mitigate the distance issue
or use Astro Crush/Lightning Bolt to pick you out of the air
or use Gravity Hold to fuck your day up completely

I'm still not sure I see the issue here. Sure, it can be annoying, but I'd hardly consider it "overpowered."

[Megaman94]

Major Spoiler!

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Hyper Storm H threw King out the window....
I feel bad for King now.  He just wanted what was right for robots.